Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn => Topic started by: Alto Mare on April 26, 2015, 07:38:27 AM



Title: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on April 26, 2015, 07:38:27 AM
Servicing a Penn 420SS, I will be removing all parts, except the housing bushing and pinion bushing, I didn't think there was a need for those, but they could be knocked out if needed
(http://i.imgur.com/mDP8zeR.jpg)
I'll start by removing the drag knob and spool
(http://i.imgur.com/BEjWtIH.jpg)
the metal keyed and the clicker spring
(http://i.imgur.com/ppPynBF.jpg)
the spool sleeve slides right off by pressing the button on top
(http://i.imgur.com/nFUFs6a.jpg)
next the housing cover
(http://i.imgur.com/EXPg23l.jpg)
removing the cross wind arm screw and the spool shaft slides right out
(http://i.imgur.com/yyY5HeI.jpg)
removing the handle, cross wind roller, roller screw and the main gear comes out ( main gear, ratchet and shaft as a unit)
(http://i.imgur.com/2MHUQ5x.jpg)
rotor comes off next

removing the bearing retainer spring
(http://i.imgur.com/8MImMq5.jpg)
and removing the pinion and bearing
(http://i.imgur.com/PYzvkYR.jpg)
also the dog, eccentric and trip cam
(http://i.imgur.com/7mmlbOc.jpg)
the bail wire
(http://i.imgur.com/a8EmFnl.jpg)
and the trip lever and cam lever.
These pics should be very helpful here, this is the only area that might throw you off if you never did one of these before
(http://i.imgur.com/a14BuUg.jpg)
here is how you want it to go back in
(http://i.imgur.com/wbS5QbZ.jpg)
bail parts
(http://i.imgur.com/AW9Rhea.jpg)
and here is a shot of all parts off the reel
(http://i.imgur.com/0aeEC5O.jpg)

now the reassembly, I'll start with the rotor by reassembling the lever spring
(http://i.imgur.com/Q67i9Mt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Q67i9Mt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/FBT3VZB.jpg)
cleaning the line roller
(http://i.imgur.com/UfXgH3j.jpg)
and placing it back while adding a little oil
(http://i.imgur.com/6HEIFSo.jpg)
its a good idea to place the bail arm spring on the bail prior to setting it is, this will make it much easier
(http://i.imgur.com/sE7JWKk.jpg)
at this point do not tighten the screw all the way, when the opposite side is in place, go ahead and tighten all screws
(http://i.imgur.com/0L1k9g9.jpg)
to make sure all is working as it should, the trip lever should look as I'm showing when the bail is opened
(http://i.imgur.com/2keOfsT.jpg)
and retracted when closed
(http://i.imgur.com/gE6syjW.jpg)
cleaning the bushings on the housing
(http://i.imgur.com/1cgLu3f.jpg)
setting the eccentric back in
(http://i.imgur.com/MLb7cX3.jpg)
along with the main gear and dog
(http://i.imgur.com/mQNpXDn.jpg)
cleaning the stainless steel pinion...there are some amazing parts on this little reel
(http://i.imgur.com/mZtpEL6.jpg)
and setting it back in, along with the bearing and trip cam
(http://i.imgur.com/4H6VdZM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/y2SiN11.jpg)
setting the rotor in, make sure that nut is nice and snug
(http://i.imgur.com/S7RptRb.jpg)
a little oil on the spool shaft
(http://i.imgur.com/1ju2NdJ.jpg)
and in it goes
(http://i.imgur.com/KWHqeoC.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/e7tu3Uq.jpg)
although not needed on this little reel, I decided to upgrade the drag with a .45mm carbon fiber washer and a Delrin to replace the Teflon thrust washer. I decided to keep the original Teflon drag washer on top, but it isn't necessary, I feel that it is helping a little with the knob
(http://i.imgur.com/Jzoa94X.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ctk3KzW.jpg)
and here is the finished reel, now working nice and smooth
(http://i.imgur.com/jIEuxkC.jpg)

Here is a shot of the 420ss next to its bigger brother the 704Z.
both share the same guts, but of course on a smaller scale on the 420

you'll be hard pressed finding a reel of the same size with the same qualities, this is a mini tank

Enjoy it! any questions...just ask!

Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: harryk3616 on April 26, 2015, 08:07:19 AM
thanks  sal   great tutorial, nice informative pictures, your the best


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: foakes on April 26, 2015, 10:58:59 AM
Great pics, and great tutorial, Sal --

A Master at work --

These are one of the best small spinners that were ever produced, by any company -- for any price.

Thanks for sharing,

Fred


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: bestout on April 26, 2015, 10:59:46 AM
 ;) Thumbs up  ;)


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on April 26, 2015, 04:15:29 PM
Thanks guys.
I was getting some questions on these nice little reels lately and since I had to service one, I thought it would be a good idea to post some pictures.
Those would be worthless for most, but hopefully very helpful for the newbies.

Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: wallacewt on April 26, 2015, 04:19:49 PM
how much back play in that handle, cheers


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Bryan Young on April 26, 2015, 04:38:50 PM
I love these 420Ss and 430 ss reels.  Nice work Sal and thanks for sharing.

One thing, what is that red grease?   I thought Penn grease was blue?


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: bestout on April 26, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
I love these 420Ss and 430 ss reels.  Nice work Sal and thanks for sharing.

One thing, what is that red grease?   I thought Penn grease was blue?
might be a top secret grease hidden in a lucky charms mini pot.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on April 26, 2015, 05:21:14 PM
how much back play in that handle, cheers
Wallace, it feels just a little more than the 750ss or 850ss that you have. To me though, these have a better design, the rotor has no sideway movement at all, can't say that for most other spinners. As you can see from the picture, the stainless steel pinion runs almost all the way through the housing.
I'm not sure if the ratchet is removable, it has to be or it would have been very hard to machine it. If so, maybe Adam could make us some ratchets with more teeth. :-\, but I personally don't have an issue with the back play on the handle.
I like everything on this reel but one little screw. The bail arm screw is made out of plastic, I'm guessing as a corrosion prevention there. No matter how careful you are removing that screw, the slot will always get messed up.
With that said, these are little jewels.

Bryan, the red grease is Valvoline, I've been using it for a while now and really like it. I believe for a 16 0z. the cost is $5, I was adding power steering fluid to it, I now add just a teaspoon of reel-x to the 16 oz. can and its working out nicely.
This grease will look the same as the first day you placed it in the reel, others do show some color changes. I'm not sure if that means anything though, I do know that the older Penn grease used to get brown and very hard. I believe their grease is different now.



Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Bryan Young on April 26, 2015, 05:30:39 PM
Thanks Sal.  I though you were using Penn grease, and I have never saw red Penn grease.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: alantani on April 26, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
well done!!!!


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: redsetta on April 26, 2015, 06:12:10 PM
Great work mate - and top-notch photos too.
Cheers Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: bestout on April 26, 2015, 06:14:38 PM
sometimes for some weird reason my penn grease turned black.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Dominick on April 26, 2015, 07:17:31 PM
well done!!!!
Sal could use another Alan Tani wrench.   ;D ;D Dominick


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: bluefish69 on April 26, 2015, 07:31:27 PM
Sal

I was working on a 450SS this weekend & saw Red Grease & thought it was one of your reel that you sold. Then I checked the Drags & found 3 - Teflon Washers & no CF washers. I knew it wasn't one of your reel ever. Now just waiting for parts from Scott's.

Mike


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: wallacewt on April 26, 2015, 07:41:54 PM
thanks sal, mine is 1/3 turn before dog engages
ill go catch a mahi next trip on it :o


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: fsrmn on April 26, 2015, 09:06:18 PM
Good information ;D  I was just going to ask if you removed the Teflon washer when you added the CF one. You answered my question before I could ask it. I left mine  in too but wasn't sure. With the Delrin under the spool it really improved the drag.  :D


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: mark d on April 30, 2015, 12:47:29 AM
i followed the link you left at stripersonline...glad i did . great job. thks

  mark


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on April 30, 2015, 02:40:43 AM
i followed the link you left at stripersonline...glad i did . great job. thks

  mark
Thanks Marc!
SOL is a good place for this to be, lots of members that really like these reels, that's why I decided to place the link there.

Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: LTM on April 30, 2015, 06:54:38 AM
i followed the link you left at stripersonline...glad i did . great job. thks

  mark

Mark and Sal,

What link are you referring to? Please put the link here.

Thanx,

Leo


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: johndtuttle on April 30, 2015, 07:30:33 AM
Thanks for that Sal, I've never seen one in my own hands and now nearly feel I have :).

I posted a similar comment in the other thread but it deserves mention here too:

At the modest drag needed to fish 6 or 8lb test line that reel would last 200 years or more with basic lube. :)

Just an awesome drive train.  ;)


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Doug on May 06, 2015, 10:07:08 AM
This tutorial was very helpful I never really  took  the rotor assembly  completely a part very helpful in getting the little parts lined up . You saved me hours of possible frustration Thanks Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Reel 224 on May 06, 2015, 11:23:06 AM
Great tutorial Sal, this will be a good reference for working on my wife's penn Pur-4000


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: basto on June 18, 2015, 01:41:21 AM
That little reel with it`s worm drive, brings back memories of my DAM , ABU and PENN reels I had long ago, but I think this model PENN would be my personal pick from that era, for the solidity, aesthetic design and that great skirted spool with it`s HT100 drag.
A truly beautiful, classic.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 18, 2017, 06:56:06 AM
Question on the drag pressure plate/spring. Is the proper installation with the drag knob pressing on the center of the plate or on the outside ?


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on November 18, 2017, 08:24:21 AM
You would get the same pressure either way, but it only goes one way.
Top of the curve should be facing up.
If you tried it upside down, the tail pieces would interfere with the drag knob.

Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 18, 2017, 01:29:46 PM
You would get the same pressure either way, but it only goes one way.
Top of the curve should be facing up.
If you tried it upside down, the tail pieces would interfere with the drag knob.

Sal
Sal, by the tail pieces you referring to the outside circumference? The outer circumference is making contact with the metal drag washer and the center raised up off the metal drag washer about 1/8th inch? Hate to ask dumb questions, but I am a simple guy!
While I have your ear will installing a smooth drag washer in place of the Teflon make the drag smoother?
Thanks for responding.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on November 18, 2017, 01:51:40 PM
Yes to your first question, no to your second.
To me you won't find smoother washers than Teflon, but Teflon compresses and doesn't do to good on reels larger than these.
Keep in mind you are targeting 5 to 6lb drag on this little guy, Teflon would be your best option.



Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 18, 2017, 02:07:48 PM
Yes to your first question, no to your second.
To me you won't find smoother washers than Teflon, but Teflon compresses and doesn't do to good on reels larger than these.
Keep in mind you are targeting 5 to 6lb drag on this little guy, Teflon would be your best option.


Thanks again Sal! I use ultralight reels to catch skipjack (bait for catfish) and panfish. Have two little Shimano’s, didn’t need the 420. But I ran across one in mint condition and HAD to have it! Stripped it down and removed the original Penn grease. Greased with a synthetic grease that I use for my reel grease. Does not spin quite as easy as the Shimano’s, but not a big difference either. And the little Penn is built much better. May just have to have another one!


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on November 18, 2017, 02:19:02 PM
I was reading and was ready to make you an offer, but that last part of your answer got me ::) :).


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: mo65 on November 18, 2017, 02:31:05 PM
Does not spin quite as easy as the Shimano’s, but not a big difference either.

   I've been having good luck getting an easier spin by lightening my grease on these spinning reels. Ardent Reel Butter works great on these smaller models. I've been even thinning it with different oils. Kinda cool how soft you can make it and it still sticks to the gear teeth. I can't wait to score one of these 420s...it's the final boss of light spinning.8)


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 18, 2017, 02:31:58 PM
I was reading and was ready to make you an offer, but that last part of your answer got me ::) :).
Ha! Sal, wish I had “discovered “ these old Penn Reels years ago. But never gave a thought to buying saltwater reels. Besides the 420, now own a 705(wife likes rh crank) two 750ss and a 710(710 just for show. Starting a “Greenie” collection). And since I have your attention, going to be shopping for a reel to chunk jigs or whatever else artificial baits one uses surf fishing. And do double duty for bass at home. Looking at 440ss,450ss and 550ss. (Have a thread for this somewhere on this site) Your thoughts please. Or any other spinning reels similar to these that you deem good.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 18, 2017, 02:38:45 PM
Does not spin quite as easy as the Shimano’s, but not a big difference either.

   I've been having good luck getting an easier spin by lightening my grease on these spinning reels. Ardent Reel Butter works great on these smaller models. I've been even thinning it with different oils. Kinda cool how soft you can make it and it still sticks to the gear teeth. I can't wait to score one of these 420s...it's the final boss of light spinning.8)
Thanks! I am actually thinning my grease with a synthetic bearing and gear oil. Different consistency for different parts of the reel. Both the grease and the oil never “leave” where it is applied. In case you are wondering, I work as a millwright in a paper mill and we use these lubricants at the mill. They stand up to some really severe service. No comparison to the old Dino lubricants we used for years. Literally night and day difference.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: mo65 on November 18, 2017, 02:55:32 PM

  In case you are wondering, I work as a millwright in a paper mill and we use these lubricants at the mill. They stand up to some really severe service.
 
 I worked in the paper industry too...die cutting and foil stamping many kinds of papers and boards. You learn a lot about lubes while keeping those presses running. Much of it I learned the hard way. The old guys would ride ya hard if ya burnt up a bearing by forgetting to oil the press. :D


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 18, 2017, 02:57:11 PM

  In case you are wondering, I work as a millwright in a paper mill and we use these lubricants at the mill. They stand up to some really severe service.
 
 I worked in the paper industry too...die cutting and foil stamping many kinds of papers and boards. You learn a lot about lubes while keeping those presses running. Much of it I learned the hard way. The old guys would ride ya hard if ya burnt up a bearing by forgetting to oil the press. :D

I AM one of the old guys! :D


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on November 18, 2017, 05:40:48 PM
I was reading and was ready to make you an offer, but that last part of your answer got me ::) :).
Ha! Sal, wish I had “discovered “ these old Penn Reels years ago. But never gave a thought to buying saltwater reels. Besides the 420, now own a 705(wife likes rh crank) two 750ss and a 710(710 just for show. Starting a “Greenie” collection). And since I have your attention, going to be shopping for a reel to chunk jigs or whatever else artificial baits one uses surf fishing. And do double duty for bass at home. Looking at 440ss,450ss and 550ss. (Have a thread for this somewhere on this site) Your thoughts please. Or any other spinning reels similar to these that you deem good.
For jigging, all 3 mentioned would do a good job, but personally I would choose the 550ss. A little heavier but  definitely a better reel.
Here is the problem though, you will have a hard time finding one, the other two should be easier. I probably purchased all at some point...just kidding ;D
For the surf, I don't use anything smaller than the 650SS, which is one of my favorite. Mine has some custom parts in it, but a stock 650SS will do just fine and that's the one with one 0.
Maybe replace the teflon washer in the stack with a HT100, a better drag knob and that's about it.

Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Chuck750ss on November 18, 2017, 06:21:52 PM
Thanks again Sal. I have looked at new reels from Penn, Daiwa and Shimano. And the more I look, the more confused I become.(200$ and under market) One will claim the Clash is great and someone else will claim it is complete junk. Same for the Shimano and Daiwa. AND if I spend 100-200$ on a reel I expect a reliable reel. Without having to be sent back. And with reasonable care I would expect that reel to last. Maybe I expect too much! Which leads me back to the single “0” Penns. Maybe not super smooth. May not cast quite as far as one of the new reels. But they are beyond a doubt, well built.
 BTW, who makes better drag knobs for the Penns? That plastic knob does seem to be a weak point.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on November 18, 2017, 06:39:06 PM
Chuck, your assessment on the older Penn spinners is spot on, not the smoothest reel, but pretty consinstant.
Any of those will feel the same from the first day until the end of the season.
Can't say the same for the newer stuff.

Here is the newer knob for the 650SS, this one comes with a seal as well:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/52N-650N.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/52N-650N.aspx)

Best.

Sal


"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackles old online store over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: mo65 on February 16, 2018, 01:29:02 PM
   I have a question concerning the gears on this little guy. Actually, I have a 430, but it uses the same gears. The main is trashed...has a big flat spot...but I think the pinion is OK. I'd think since it is steel, and the main is brass, the main would take all the abuse. My question is should I replace both, or is that pinion fine? 8)


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Midway Tommy on February 16, 2018, 02:26:26 PM
From my experience if you get one new both should be new so they wear and mesh together at the same rate. One new gear, for me, generally means some roughness and noise for awhile.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on February 16, 2018, 03:39:30 PM
From the looks of that gear, that little guy has been abused. :-\
It is always a good practice to replace both gears ... pinion and main gear, but on this particular reel, I would just replace the main gear.
Check is the gear shaft feels loose on the bushing.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: alantani on February 16, 2018, 03:45:31 PM
yup, always replace them as a set!


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Reel 224 on February 16, 2018, 04:29:39 PM
My two cents would be. Chang both if it was mine or a customers either way.

Joe


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: mo65 on February 16, 2018, 04:36:02 PM
  It's kinda odd...you look at that gear and you'd think this reel is hit. That gear is the only casualty though. The pinion bushings are tight, the rotor too, the bearing cleaned up very well also. I agree that generally both main and pinion should be changed, but this pinion is hard to even scratch. Here it is all cleaned up, and below it the Scott's stock photo. I'll think it over a bit more. 8)


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Reel 224 on February 16, 2018, 04:45:33 PM
The stock pinion looks as if the cut on the start of the shaft is a little rough. I would personally look at that and if it needs some filing to make a smooth running with the main.


Joe


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: mo65 on February 16, 2018, 05:22:03 PM
The stock pinion looks as if the cut on the start of the shaft is a little rough. I would personally look at that and if it needs some filing to make a smooth running with the main.


Joe

   I saw that too Joe, but it's out there where the grooves start, the main never contacts that part. I think that is from where they cut the gear, I tried filing that, it was like filing chromium. I don't think that brass main could do that that.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Reel 224 on February 17, 2018, 09:00:29 AM
I would be interested in knowing what you find in your final assembly.

Joe


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: mo65 on February 17, 2018, 09:22:04 AM
I would be interested in knowing what you find in your final assembly.

Joe

   Sure thing Joe, I'll make a post about the reel when I get her finished. Thanks Sal for this tutorial...it's very helpful.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on February 20, 2018, 03:39:49 AM
The stock pinion looks as if the cut on the start of the shaft is a little rough. I would personally look at that and if it needs some filing to make a smooth running with the main.


Joe

   I saw that too Joe, but it's out there where the grooves start, the main never contacts that part. I think that is from where they cut the gear, I tried filing that, it was like filing chromium. I don't think that brass main could do that that.
I'm with you on this, that part of the pinion never makes contact with the gear, so I'm guessing there was no need to waste time on it .
I do want to mention that on 1 or 2 reels, I had to sand it down a bit, it would get caught on the bushing a little. But that could have been caused by someone hitting it from the back side to get the bearing out...I do it as well.
By the way, I have a non threaded SS bolt with a nice head on it and about 4" in length, I use it to tap the pinion out when it's really stuck. It has always done a good job, but you need to be gentle with the taps.

I'm glad this was of some help to you Mo.

Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Midway Tommy on February 20, 2018, 09:16:49 AM
I dress both ends of the worm gear cut on every reassembly. Mainly to make sure there's no bind or friction in the oilites or bushings. A lot of the time there'll be a rough edge somewhere and it makes a big difference.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: mo65 on February 20, 2018, 04:38:30 PM
I dress both ends of the worm gear cut on every reassembly. Mainly to make sure there's no bind or friction in the oilites or bushings. A lot of the time there'll be a rough edge somewhere and it makes a big difference.

   I had to dress a ding on the front edge of the pinion to get the bearing off.
 One on the back side would wreck the bushing. The slightest nick on that pinion has to be smoothed. I have all the parts cleaned and polished. I'm going to pre-fit the drivetrain when the new main gear arrives. Then set the parts aside again and paint the housing. 8)


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: mo65 on February 23, 2018, 04:29:15 PM
   The new main gear came in today, so I smeared a little of that Superlube clear grease on the gears and cranked the handle. It meshed nice and smooth...I was relieved...now to get on with the project. 8)


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on February 23, 2018, 04:38:33 PM
Good job Mo, one of the reason Scott's sells them separate. Pinions of that design are very tough, they last a long time.


Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: joe k on March 11, 2019, 01:53:44 PM
Sal...just picked up a 430ss on a nice st.croix 6ft rod..and 4400ss...on a nice quantum american series 6ft..43.00 for the pair..they both are nice shape..but ive got to get into both..just to see ..my nature..glad you have this tutorial avaiable..will post pics when both done..420ss and 430ss basically the same correct?..probally have more questions down the path here..hope you don't mind..Joe


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on March 11, 2019, 04:24:07 PM
Sal...just picked up a 430ss on a nice st.croix 6ft rod..and 4400ss...on a nice quantum american series 6ft..43.00 for the pair..they both are nice shape..but ive got to get into both..just to see ..my nature..glad you have this tutorial avaiable..will post pics when both done..420ss and 430ss basically the same correct?..probally have more questions down the path here..hope you don't mind..Joe
Joe, you did really good, I never get those type of deals.
Yes on the 420SS and 430SS, they are basically the same, with the exception the body, the 430Ss is a little bigger, but has the same guts.

any question you might have, I would never mind answering you.

Have fun with those nice reels.

Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: festus on March 11, 2019, 05:02:16 PM
This ad popped up on my Facebook marketplace newsfeed a few minutes ago.  Several reels for sale, including a Penn 420SS for $20 + shipping from Madison, WI.  I started to respond, but lo and behold this was posted Feb. 17, 2018.  :'(

Somebody got a bargain.  :o ::)


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Reelmeneer on March 12, 2019, 03:48:16 AM
Nice job!

Is there anyone over here that can help me with this decal? It needs to be replaced...

(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q393/Reelmeneer/IMG_1327_zpsqfyvi7gy.jpg) (http://s349.photobucket.com/user/Reelmeneer/media/IMG_1327_zpsqfyvi7gy.jpg.html)

Regards,

Ed


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: joe k on March 12, 2019, 06:46:06 AM
Sal..where can i find the 45mm carbon fiber washer and delrin for my 430..all disassembled cleaned in us cleaner..lubed and reassembled..what a little gem..needed nothing..would just like to install drag parts you mentioned..Joe


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on March 12, 2019, 02:18:13 PM
Joe, the reel looks really nice.
I used to purchase sheets of Carbon Fiber, but haven't done it in a while.
Send me your address on a PM and I'm sure I will find a piece so I could make you one.
As for the thrust washer, I wouldn't worry about it, the Teflon will do just fine on these little guys.

Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: SoShoresGuy on May 14, 2019, 01:39:39 PM
Sorry to wake up an older post, but I have a question on the 420ss. I am using 4# fluorocarbon line and sometimes it gets caught between the bail arm (#34 in the parts diagram) and the rotor cup? (wrong part # in the parts diagram?). I purchased a new bail arm plus a new bail arm screw from Scott's. There is still a little "slop" between the bail arm and the rotor cup, so sometimes the line gets caught in that area if I am not careful.
Am I doing something wrong? It is almost like there should be a washer or something to take up that slack. I really doubt that the rotor cup has worn down, but I do use this little reel a lot. I also have a 430ss and I don't have a similar problem with it. Maybe I should just re-spool with some heavier mono. It is a little frustrating at times (and it makes a mess with the line).

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TIA


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on May 14, 2019, 03:26:51 PM
No need to apologize SoShoresGuy, that's why these are here.
Looking at your pics, it seems to me the bail wire might be bend a little and causing the bail arm to tilt.
It is a bit of a pain to get it just right, but if you take your time, you might be able to line it up by bending it a little at a time.

These are great reels, don't give up on them :).

Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: foakes on May 14, 2019, 03:50:43 PM
Yeah, SSGuy —

Sal is exactly right —

Since you have a new bail arm and bail arm screw — it can only be the bail wire that needs some slight bending inwards.

There are no shims or washers that are supposed to be in this assembly — and like you say, the metal rotor would not wear out.

Here is one of mine — and it has a natural but sloppy gap also.

As for the line catching — I generally use 4# Berkeley Trilene — And never get that type of issue.

Sometimes if a spool of line has a “coil memory” — it could be getting caught where it shouldn’t.

You can try different mono — or let out your line 2/3rds of capacity, and stretch it slightly to straighten out any memory — and keep the line about 1/4” below the rim of the spool.  This will help to prevent wind snarls.

Excellent little reels!

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: SoShoresGuy on May 15, 2019, 12:04:56 PM
Thanks Sal & Fred. I'll give it a try.
So far, the fluorocarbon has NO memory, so that shouldn't be the problem, but if the trouble still exists, I'll give mono a shot.
Right now, I am using this for freshwater and trying out those Trout Magnets. Boy, do they work well when I can get a cast where I want.
I won't give up on the little critter. As I said previously, I also have a 430ss, a couple of 550ss and a 750ss (which is a beast.). I have a close friend that bought an 850ss back in the 80's. Good Lord, you could bring up a freezer with that reel.
I'll let the public know how I made out.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: SoShoresGuy on May 16, 2019, 12:49:45 PM
After several attempts, I think I have the bail spring bent correctly.
Looking at the side with the bail closed, the bail spring doesn't seem to be equidistant or in a true arc across the spool (sorry I couldn't get a shot, not enough fingers). Maybe that is the way it should be. If not, I'll order a new bail spring from Scott's.
Two photos: 1st with the bail closed, 2nd with the bail open.
Ready for comments if you all have the time.
Mark
PS: Sorry for all of that crud in the cup. I'll clean that stuff out.
PPS: That stuff doesn't show up with naked eyes. Humm.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: Alto Mare on May 16, 2019, 01:27:20 PM
Good job! That looks really good to me.

Sal


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: SoShoresGuy on May 16, 2019, 03:28:31 PM
We'll see. Thanks for the encouragement.


Title: Re: PENN 420SS
Post by: SoShoresGuy on May 18, 2019, 03:46:37 PM
Hah, so much better.
Thanks for pushing me. I'm still getting more line at the bottom of the spool than what I would like, but maybe I can figure it out. I did have one "blow-up" but I'm pretty sure that is mostly due to the light lure (Trout Magnet + Float) and the fluorocarbon 4# line.
Thanks guys (and girls). I have most of the parts to break this reel down, clean it out, and keep on fishing with it. I might just go ahead and purchase a new spring bail since I am a little concerned with winding more line at the bottom of the spool. I have all new washers to put into this little power dude. I'll replace what I think is important, lube it, and hopefully I can get another 25+ years from it.
I appreciate everyone's input.
Take care,
Mark