Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Alan, just wanted to give you this site. 

I think this is the correct yamaha grease in 3oz and the large tubes.  I use this site to order all my Yamaha outboard engine site.  They will ship you as much stuff as you can buy for 9.99.  My last order was 70lbs for 9.99.  Not sure how they do that but its a great deal for outboard stuff if you've got a Yamaha and seems to be a good source for buying your grease. 

http://www.simyamaha.com/category_s/1981.htm

very cool.  note that the 3 ounce tubes are plain grease, not marine.  thanks for the link!

Unless you live in Alaska ...then they want $37.06 UPS Ground >:(

My suggestion is directed for guys that use Yamha  Marine Grease exclusively.


Alan, what do you think about a refillable 3oz cartridge?
You could ask one of your machinist to make a 3oz refillable cartridge, maybe out of aluminum or anything that is more cost-efficient, he would then install a zerx fitting directly on the gun itself, so there wouldn't be no need to unscrew the gun (we all know the mess that couses) you just back the spring up and fill the gun with a 14oz gun. I realize that we would have to buy the 14oz gun also, but I think it would be worth it in a long run. The only issue is that you would have to sell the complete  customized gun. I bet they would go like hot cakes.......or am I talking out of my you know what? I for one would go for it, I'm sure some of us maintain their boat and trailers, and we all know what it's like using the 14oz grease gun especially under the trailer. (again this is only related to yamaha marine grease use)learning from this product, I will be using it on my outboard and everything else on the boat.
Of course if Yamaha decides to make the 3oz cartridges we would forget about it. :-\

i have a box of medium sized nitrile gloves and i wear them when i pack the grease cartridges.  i just cram the grease in by hand.   

I see your point Alan. Wouldn't it be a good idea filling the 3oz cartridge using the full size grease gun instead of cramming the gease by hand? I have seen 14oz guns sell for less than $10, that's a small price to pay considering the results. I will give it a try, it might be a good solution. :-\

I'm going to have to get a small grease gun to use with the bearing packers I got from Allan, I'll post photos of the modifications I'll do to fill it from one of my real grease guns.

My 14 ounce grease gun has a 90^o street ell (elbow with male one end, female on the other end) and a six inch brass nipple on it. I just pump the grease through the open ended nipple into the 3 ounce gun with the handle pulled back. When the small gun is full enough, I put the head back on it, release the plunger handle and I'm all done. I screw a pipe cap on the end of the nipple until the next refill. 8) 8)   The brass nipple and ell cost about $10 and it is less labor intensive. ;D
Rob

**IMPORTANT!!**  You still need an empty grease tube inside the 3 ounce gun!

Excellent tip Rob, that makes perfect sense. (why didn't I think of that ::)). Thanks bud! ;)

Quote from: Alto Mare on April 03, 2011, 03:34:27 PM
......... (why didn't I think of that ::)). Thanks bud! ;)

Sal, it's because your thinking level is so much higher and more noble than mine. ;D

The new guns don't have room to drill and put in a zirk, I'll have to use norcal's method.

 Looks like Rob always has tricks up his sleevs. Thanks for trying Keta, take care, Sal

Quote from: Alto Mare on April 04, 2011, 04:37:16 PM
Looks like Rob always has tricks up his sleevs. Thanks for trying Keta, take care, Sal

;D ;D  Tricks, but no treats. ;D  ;D

I finally got a tube of Yamaha Marine Grease and filled my small gun by taking the end off of the gun, sticking in into the large tube, pulling the handle slowly as I slowly pushed grease gun tube into grease.  It filled the grease gun well but I had to wipe grease off the outside of the grease gun. 

What is wrong with filling 3-oz grease gun, without using old paper tube. I tryed , it seems to work fine. I just use the 1-lb can and hand pack.

I didn't use a emptied cardboard tube either.

I found a great way to store the yamaha marine grease. It is a small plastic thermos that i picked up a wallmart for around 3 dollars if i am not mistaking. It has a screw on lid. I just use a paint brush like most people to apply the grease. (l need to find a grease gun). By the way I love the grease more and more every time I apply it.

where can i purchase this amazing grease from?  Hawaii, Kauai?

lots of places online.  just google it.  if you have trouble, let me know and i can send you some.  alan

Try calling Windward Marine on Oahu.  They should have some since they are Hawaii's authorized Yamaha dealer.

Alan- for some reason my Yamaha grease is lighter in color than yours and dosnt look as tacky....?

yeah, the new stuff they have is a lighter color blue.  i dunno.  i'm going use it just like i would the darker colored stuff.  i don't think it will make a difference.  i think we just have to trust that the engineers at yamaha are not out to screw us over.   ;D

Thanks. Do you know how to get it to be a little more tackyer??

If you want it tackier, I'd recommend the Evinrude's Triple Guard and add CorrosionX to thin out to the consistency you need.

this grease is great,  Thanks to Alan. I use it on any inside surface of any reel.

Check out boats.net.  I bought the 14oz tube for ~$7 shipped.  I think thats fairly cheap

Hello    Back in the days before grease cartridges we just stuffed the end of the grease gun into the five gallon pail of grease (pump head removed of course) and pulled back the piston locked it and screwed the head back on.
  An open 14 oz. tube can be packed into the 3 oz. gun with a small spatula. As the tube is emptied the excess cardboard can be cut of with a razor knife.
                                    Buzz

Quote from: wong2a9 on April 16, 2012, 07:40:35 AM
Check out boats.net.  I bought the 14oz tube for ~$7 shipped.  I think thats fairly cheap

I just ordered some the other day but my order got canceled and refunded from them, they said that there was none available. Anyone know where else i can order some online thats ships to hawaii+usps? Checked out a few of the others but its only ups and shipping is like $50+ :o

P.S also looking for tsi but not in a rush to get some

Quote from: ShoreKasterHI on April 18, 2012, 06:40:37 AM

Quote from: wong2a9 on April 16, 2012, 07:40:35 AM
Check out boats.net.  I bought the 14oz tube for ~$7 shipped.  I think thats fairly cheap

I just ordered some the other day but my order got canceled and refunded from them, they said that there was none available. Anyone know where else i can order some online thats ships to hawaii+usps? Checked out a few of the others but its only ups and shipping is like $50+ :o

P.S also looking for tsi but not in a rush to get some

Why not check out some marine supply store over your side of the pond.

Brian, try Windward Marine.  They are an authorized Yamaha dealer on Oahu.  If not, let me know.  I could swing by our local Yamaha dealer to pick some up.  Bryan

Is this marine grease? it´s the only yamaha grease I can find. The color is yellowish...

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not sure.  it is certainly not the same stuff i use.  doesn't mean it won't work. 

but it was a first for me.  10oz Yamaha Marine grease in a squeeze tube.

Looks like the right stuff...any ideas?

Looks like the stuff we use.

I like the Yamaha Multipurpose Grease, I sevice reels for fresh water only so I use the Multipurpose Grease, it is draker then the Yamaha Marnie Grease and it is thicker. The Marine grease is softer and I'm sure it has more Anti-Corrosive protection then the Multipurpose Grease. Both will mix well with Corrosin X. The Multi/Grease I can get in a 16oz plastic tube for around $5.00 - $6.00 the Mar/Grease I can only get it in a 14oz long tube for about $6.00 - $7.00.

either one should be fine. 

Hi All   ive just been looking for the YAM Blue  marine grease does anyone have a part number my local marine engineers gave me theses numbers ( YMD-69010-OT-A2) & lithium/calcium (69010-OC-01) (Ques ) i did ask if it was blue ( ANS  )  who know`s and if we take the top off and its not how can we sell it ? when its as been opened  regards Alain

Think i finally found this magic grease after a year or so of looking , well i hope so anyway :D !Even though this is a red /moorone in colour it seems more chunky and tacky, time will tell i guess .Greased up a 114 and 113h , i will service these reels in a years time and see what the grease looks like. $12 for 16 oz and in a tub .Hopefully its the right Yamaha grease.

I did use a SHELL brand Nautalis Marine Grease  prevously but didnt like it much, even though it was dark blue in colour , it seemed a littlt too runny and turned black  after use quickly ,NO GOOD imo.

Heres some pics,Hope Alan approves :)

I like the yamaha gease but over time it changes green.

I've been using red valvoline and power steering fluid , mixed 2 to 1 ratio and I like it so far. I got the idea from a young man that has been using it for over 50 years, he wouldn't put anything else in his reels and the reels  that he works on for others.

you know, it must be my age.  i really don't handle change very well.....  :-\

Quote from: GuyA on January 05, 2011, 10:00:28 PM
Alan, just wanted to give you this site. 

I think this is the correct yamaha grease in 3oz and the large tubes.  I use this site to order all my Yamaha outboard engine site.  They will ship you as much stuff as you can buy for 9.99.  My last order was 70lbs for 9.99.  Not sure how they do that but its a great deal for outboard stuff if you've got a Yamaha and seems to be a good source for buying your grease. 

http://www.simyamaha.com/category_s/1981.htm

Note that they won't ship grease overseas.

does anyone know where can I purchase the grease and ship it over to singapore?

can I used cal grease to lubricate the base plate instead of using yamaha blue grease?  Will this pose a problem to the performance of the reel?

The Cal's grease will be fine. Cal's costs more than the Yamaha grease. Cost is a major factor if you service as many reels a year as Alan and others on this site.  Bob

Is there anywhere in the uk that I can buy the Yamaha Marine blue grease?? They dont seem to supply it here & the order I put through to boats.net has been refunded as they say they wont ship to the UK - yet other UK members here have had their orders received ok??

Would any members be willing to ship a small cartridge for a small fee? ;)
Thanks
Mike

PM UK Ron,a member here who may be able to advise you re ordering this grease from the US.

Thanks Irish Jigger - Ill drop him a message :)

Quote from: tyrtok on September 28, 2012, 02:41:21 AM
does anyone know where can I purchase the grease and ship it over to singapore?

I've or

Quote from: tyrtok on September 28, 2012, 02:41:21 AM
does anyone know where can I purchase the grease and ship it over to singapore?

After several attempts to get direct shipment from overseas and have failed, I've now two tube going to my Vpost forwarding service. Shipping cost is many times the price of the grease, and hopefully they will reach me somehow.
If all goes well, I'm happy to sent you some.

all i have are the big 14 ounce tubes that cost me $8.  i can bag them up and ship them anywhere in the world that the post office goes. it's just a matter of getting the right size box.  figure shipping is going to be $1 per ounce or more.  you would end up paying nearly $25 for this, when any other marine outboard engine grease might perform just as well. the trick is to get a grease intended for marine engines, not fresh water. 

the flip side is that the blue yamaha marine grease really is nice stuff to work with. 

I found the yamalube at Riva Yamaha on Dixie Hwy. in Pompano Beach, Fl. The price is very proud though, $11.00 + sales tax. It is a motorcycle & boat dealer. They have it available in a 10 oz. sqeeze tube or the 14 oz. tube for the guns. I didn't ask what they would charge for shipping though. Its the one with the orange stripe on the tubes & is marked MARINE GREASE & the grease is blue. I hope that helps anyone in southeast Florida or anywhere else.       Rudy :D :D :D

I just ordered a 14 oz. cartridge from Boats.net for $7.47 including shipping.

I checked them 2 days ago & they were sold out.

Quote from: RowdyW on November 11, 2012, 02:57:52 AM
I checked them 2 days ago & they were sold out.

I ordered yesterday afternoon.

Just now I ordered one for $7.47....thanks for reminding me ;).

What happened to your mixture of red  Valvoline & p s oil? ???

I'll never give that up, it's working great for me. I use the 50/50 mixture of power steering fluid and red valvoline  for all of my spinners. Yamaha is for heavier reels. I thought Yamaha turned brown, after further inspection I realized that I never cleaned the old grease all the way on one of my reels.
Sal

Quote from: alantani on November 09, 2012, 05:26:47 PM
all i have are the big 14 ounce tubes that cost me $8.  i can bag them up and ship them anywhere in the world that the post office goes. it's just a matter of getting the right size box.  figure shipping is going to be $1 per ounce or more.  you would end up paying nearly $25 for this, when any other marine outboard engine grease might perform just as well. the trick is to get a grease intended for marine engines, not fresh water.  

the flip side is that the blue yamaha marine grease really is nice stuff to work with.  

I only manage to find Quicksilver's marine grease over my side of the pond, its super tacky and smell very strong.

FYI those from my side of the pond.

2 X Yamalube-Marine Grease 14oz = US$15.20
S/H to Vpost USA --------------- = US$17.70
S/H Vpost USA to Singapore------ = US$18.33(S$22.50)

Cost per 14oz canister = US$25.6 .... which is more than 3 times the value to the grease itself ;-(
But then 28oz of grease will last me for years... so while I may sounds a little bit crazy buying them, I'm nothing as compared to those twinkies buyer at ebay lol.

I've looked on line and ordered a tube of Yamalube marine water-resistant grease from a UK supplier - Marinetech-Yamaha - not cheap at £14 including postage, but 400g will go a long way.

Found them via ebay and double-checked that this was the right grease as they sell lots of other Yamaha lubricants.

I hope it is blue when it turns up!

Chris

Update today - the grease has just arrived. Yamalube Lical water resistant for outboards, sterndrives and water vehicles - but it's a boring brown! Is this the right stuff?

Quote from: Nuvole on November 18, 2012, 03:27:48 PM

Cost per 14oz canister = US$25.6 .... which is more than 3 times the value to the grease itself ;-(
But then 28oz of grease will last me for years... so while I may sounds a little bit crazy buying them, I'm nothing as compared to those twinkies buyer at ebay lol.

thank you for my chuckle for the day!

Hi Guys,

The issues that the US suppliers have with sending oils, lubricants and any other flamable material, is the courier services, like DHL, Fedex or UPS. Being in Namibia, we have all the same problems getting some of these 'exotic' lubricants sent to us, and invariably have to find some local alternative.

For the guys in the UK, there are a number of good outboard motor greases that are fully marine grade and water proof - I used to use loads of Quicksilver products on my outboards and they rarely ever failed, and certainly didn't wash off at sea.

Just now arranging for a friend visiting the USA, to bring back TSi 301 and Xtreme Reel+, so that is the alternative.

The courier services have been hit by 'jealth and safety' issues, as well as potential hazardous materials that may contaminate their cargos or planes. Had a quotation for some two part rod resin - the freight was US$750 for a 1kg box of finishing resin - makes fishing rods become very expensive.

Hope this helps explain some of the problems.

Cheers from sunny Africa


Jeri

Quote from: alantani on January 31, 2012, 04:57:15 AM
yeah, the new stuff they have is a lighter color blue.  i dunno.  i'm going use it just like i would the darker colored stuff.  i don't think it will make a difference.  i think we just have to trust that the engineers at yamaha are not out to screw us over.   ;D

The one that I'm testing is the lighter color blue :-\.

I personally like the darker stuff better, and Jonathan has found the last pound of grease in Alan's garage...and now only his reels has that grease.  >:(

All the hype of this grease is based on what we have used over the years.  We are sure there are a lot of other grease and grease mixtures out there that are good enough and better.  As long as it suit your needs and if you do regular maintenance, you should not have any issues.

Bryan

I just got a 2 cases of Yamaha Multi - Purpose Grease from a Yamaha Dealer, he had to order it, $8.99 each for a 1 pound tub and it is now RED in color, not Blue like it was.

To the pros, I've heard both, that any Teflon based marine grease will work on drags, and that drag grease such as Cals and Shimanos, are the only greases fit to use. As long as I use a high temp melting marine Teflon based grease on my washers, I should be okay, correct or not?

I am not a pro, but I would be hesitant to do that. Drag grease is designed to increase smoothness of CF disks and that;s it. Marine grease has additives that preserve, clean and maintain viscocity. Some of those additives may effect the friction coefficient of the disks in undesirable ways. Compared to the price of a reel, Cal's is stupid cheap and easy to get. I recomend using the correct stuff.

Ron

Drag grease is designed to increase smoothness of CF disks and that;s it.

Well, I'd be using it mainly to decrease heat buildup from the washer assembly and stop corrosion. With those things in mind, how do you think it would do? I know Cal's isn't that expensive, but I could get a 3 ounce tube of marine grade teflon grease for 9 dollars shipped, at Scott's MysticParts, the only retailer I could think of, shipping alone costs nine dollars :-\. If the Teflon grease will work, then I'm using it, cause I'm young and I have a limited budget. Every bit counts in large amounts. Thanks for your help! :)


"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"

Hello, how long the Yamaha Marine Grease can last after opening the can? It comes in in large quantity and would be enough a lot of years, so I wanted to know if the grease would be good. Or, after a year the grease in the can would not be good?

I'm convinced that there is a certain amount of evaporation, separation, and/or degradation if my marine grease is left open over time...definitely...
The older sticky dark blue yamalube is a little less prone than my other light blue R.E.D. grease in the tub, but it still separates some and I have to stir it up. My tube of yamaha has been sitting open on my bench for at least a year, maybe 2.
I need to pay more attention to keeping my greases closed.   ;D

Either that or i have grease gremlins  ;D

I know Yamaha grease gets a lot of attention, has anyone ever tried using High Temp Red Silicone  Bearing Grease? 

Quote from: erikpowell on November 12, 2013, 08:07:55 PM
I'm convinced that there is a certain amount of evaporation, separation, and/or degradation if my marine grease is left open over time...definitely...
The older sticky dark blue yamalube is a little less prone than my other light blue R.E.D. grease in the tub, but it still separates some and I have to stir it up. My tube of yamaha has been sitting open on my bench for at least a year, maybe 2.
I need to pay more attention to keeping my greases closed.   ;D

Either that or i have grease gremlins  ;D

I did not mean to leave the grease in the open air, but to leave it in the packaging just not sealed closed like a from the factory.

Quote from: kmstorm64 on November 12, 2013, 10:25:32 PM
I know Yamaha grease gets a lot of attention, has anyone ever tried using High Temp Red Silicone  Bearing Grease? 

Yes I have. I have some Mobile 1 red synthetic grease that seems to work quite well on my senators.

I've had good luck with Lubriplate products.

http://www.lubriplate.com/Products/Automotive-Lubricants-Motor-Oils/Special-Auto-Marine-Grease.aspx (http://www.lubriplate.com/Products/Automotive-Lubricants-Motor-Oils/Special-Auto-Marine-Grease.aspx)

I found a dealer here in town that has agreed with me that if i use him as my supplier, i can get the Yamaha marine grease (blue) at $5.95 per tube if bought in bulk with an extra $15.00 off the case of 12 price. Comes out to $54.00 and change for all the grease i need per case.

Has anyone tried the 3 ounce cartridges of Sta-Lube Marine Grease?

It is light blue and I have used it for a year. It seems ok.

I still use Cals on the drags though.

yeah, it's sticky, tacky and i've always hated working with it.  i dunno, just one of those things.  i think it would work fine, and i would use it if that's all i had access to, but i just took an immediate disliking to it.  :-\

I've read that someone greased the screws and screw holes on a reel and it created dimples on the aluminum frame. It baffles me how grease can have this kind of reaction to aluminum, which begs the question "What kind of grease was it?!". From what I have read, Yamaha Marine Grease seems to be the only safe option. I live in OKC and a tube of Yamaha Marine grease is about $7 but the shipping is $10. For about $4 I can get a tube of Mystik JT-6 High Performance Marine Grease down the road at Bass Pro. Is this a good choice?

The dimples could have been caused by the to much grease being forced into the screw hole cavity by the screw. It has no place to escape so it dimples the aluminum or worse cracks something.

It seems Yamaha grease recommended here is very difficult to source in the UK, is there an alternative someone could suggest please?
I could buy some of the Yam grease from overseas but p&p and imports would mean paying stupid money for it.

Thanks

You should be ok using this:
https://www.mysticparts.com/LubesCleaners/Penn/ANGPCK.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/LubesCleaners/Penn/ANGPCK.aspx)
This is what I use and its doing just fine.



"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"

Thanks,
Does the Penn grease give a similar level of corrosion protection to the Yamaha stuff?
I have seen some other marine greases available that quote 'water resistant and corrosion protection' and just wonder if they'd be suitable? I guess any protection is better than none right?

the penn stuff should be fine. 

Quote from: jay2578 on February 23, 2014, 01:05:30 PM
Thanks,
Does the Penn grease give a similar level of corrosion protection to the Yamaha stuff?
I have seen some other marine greases available that quote 'water resistant and corrosion protection' and just wonder if they'd be suitable? I guess any protection is better than none right?

Look up Sal's (altomare) fine post were he actually coated some steel nails with 3 different greases and then soaked them in saltwater for a couple of weeks. Marine grease and Penn's product seemed superior to plain (if I recall correctly) so the additives that make it appropriate for immersion in saltwater appear to be real and effective.

After that, the question is the viscosity of the grease. Some are thicker and can lead to some reels feeling a little sluggish. I like the Penn grease particularly for spinners (lighter) but have some heavy stiff stuff sold by West Marine that I stick in conventionals the theory being it may adhere longer to the gear surfaces being thicker.

Anything is better than nothing but the marine additives seem to be for real and worth using. If you don't have any choice then any marine bearing grease will work fine. If it's very thick you can "cut" it with Corrosion-X to thin it down to your preference.


best regards

Thanks for the replies, got a 1lb tub of Penn grease on order.

You can't go wrong with Penn Blue. That's all I use! ;)

Quote from: Frank on February 22, 2014, 09:01:20 PM
The dimples could have been caused by the to much grease being forced into the screw hole cavity by the screw. It has no place to escape so it dimples the aluminum or worse cracks something.

I still don't understand how this can happen. If I coat the inside of an aluminum side plate with marine grease, doesn't it also "have no place to escape" or are you saying that the pressure that was applied was the culprit?

Grease is actually a liquid & like all liquids cannot be compressed so when you a screwing a screw into a blind tapped hole with an excess of grease in the cavity once the grease has filled the gaps between the male & female thread it has nowhere else to go, so it find the path of least resistance which maybe the porosity in the aluminium or in an extreme case you could actually strip the thread.

Rgds

Mark     

I can see it happening. Just don't pack that much grease in there!

Yes, pressure. Just coat the threads. Don't pack the screw hole or leave a blob on the tip of the screw before installing.

I have dimpled a reel in 2 places because I forgot to wipe the grease off the end of the screw before assembly. This was a while back but it can happen really easy if your not careful.

When you grease the side plates on a machined aluminum frame make sure there is no grease in the holes. If the holes are tapped all the way thru no problem.

The Okuma Titus reels are almost tapped all the way thru. They will dimple or even break thru on the spool side if too much grease is used. Don't ask me how I know..!!!

Handi is correct, and this generally only applies to machined aluminum frames with closed holes.

The screw and grease act like a hydraulic ram on a piece of heavy equipment.  It will multiply many times over its physical strength.  If the grease cannot escape through the screw threads -- it will damage the side plate.

This issue can be eliminated by just applying a little grease to the tip of the screw -- then wiping it not quite dry so that there is no excess grease to blow out.  This keeps a little grease on the screw for when the reel is next serviced -- but won't damage the tapped, closed screw holes or side plates.  Expensive error I have made one time.

Best,

Fred

I use a flux type brush to brush some Penn blue on the screw threads before installing. It seems to work ok. When I re-service the reels a year or two later, they come apart fine.

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The Official YAMHA place.
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Does anyone have experience to share about Yamaha marine grease in reels in freezing weather?  A guy I know claims it will get unacceptably stiff.  Thanks.

Mike

All grease will get stiffer when cold, some more than others.  When I'm setting a reel up for winter steelhead fishing I degrease the bearings and use oil.

I will add that the 14 oz. tube of the grease shown is their new color. It is not blue it's an aqua colored blue/green and is very slippery and thinner as compared to Evinrude/Johnson blue grease. Its great for gears in larger reels and even the Penn SS series reels.

I thin it with CorrosionX for use in the bearing packer.

I use Penn Blue Grease in my Penn, Newell & Diawa Reels. I thin the grease only for the shaft on the Bridge & in the Bridge Sleeve. I use either Penn Oil or TSI to thin it. I never had a problem doing this. I also don't grease Bearings I oil them after I open them. I don't use or have big reels biggest is a Newell P440 & I don't use that because it's too big. I like the 338's or 332's better.

Mike

Lee & Keith are correct -- all grease gets stiffer in the extreme cold.

That is true with any type of equipment that uses grease from D-9 Cats to wheel bearings.

Hard to find one size fits all -- or the perfect grease for any temperature range -- and when fishing in harsh conditions, freeze-wise, a winterization of your equipment might need to be done before fishing.

Yamaha does claim that the grease will provide continued protection at very low temperatures -- but I am not sure what that means, exactly...

I have fished when it was so cold -- every time I brought in a fish, or recast my line -- I would need to break the ice out of my rod line guides -- or the 4 pound mono would break -- do not recall the reel operating any stiffer with the Yamaha MG -- but even with gloves, my fingers sure were stiff.

I think I would try a mixture of CorrosionX with the Yamaha MG, if I thought I would need it -- about 75/25 oil to grease.

Or just have a spare reel spooled up and tucked away packed with oil -- in case I needed to switch it out.  It would be a good experiment.

Good luck,

Fred

http://www.boats.net/parts/detail/yamaha/Y-ACC-GREAS-14-CT.html

"Yamaha does claim that the grease will provide continued protection at very low temperatures -- but I am not sure what that means, exactly."

Exactly.  The CorrosionX/grease mix is a good idea.  Thanks.

Quote from: handi2 on July 07, 2014, 07:43:47 PM
I have dimpled a reel in 2 places because I forgot to wipe the grease off the end of the screw before assembly. This was a while back but it can happen really easy if your not careful.

Many of us have run into this problem even with a thin coat of grease on the screws.  Mine was on an Avet as a result of screwing in too fast and the air blew through leaving a dimple and a small hole. 

This is only of my pet peeves with aluminum framed reels.

I have fished when it was so cold -- every time I brought in a fish, or recast my line -- I would need to break the ice out of my rod line guides -- or the 4 pound mono would break -- do not recall the reel operating any stiffer with the Yamaha MG -- but even with gloves, my fingers sure we're stiff.

Sounds like Shaver or Huntington Lakes or the Devil's Bathtub!!   ;D :D ;)
TomT

Close, Tom --

I've fished Shaver & Huntington hundreds of times -- used to own a cabin at Huntington.

Fished Devil's Bathtub in the old days (1974) when you could drive a 4X4 within a quarter mile of the lake -- about 6 years later they dedicated it as part of the Ansel Adams Wilderness.  Still an easy hike.

The time the line guides were freezing was the last day of the Eastern Sierra Fishing season, October 31, 1980 -- Bridgeport Reservoir -- double anchored off of Rainbow Point -- in a blinding snowstorm with wind blowing at about 30 MPH -- in our Boston Whaler we had at that time -- catching Rainbows and Browns on nearly every cast -- only boat on the lake.  Had to be back at work the next day in Fresno -- but they closed Tioga Pass on us -- ended up going back through Tahoe -- towing the Whaler in the snow and ice, getting a cheap room at a Motel 6-- taking off at 4:00 am the next morning to beat the CHP before they closed Carson Pass too.  Made it back home by 11:00 that morning -- went to work.

Probably couldn't/shouldn't do that now -- but we were younger then.

Best,

Fred

Fred,
The Devils Bathtub was always a fun 4wd adventure and I used to hunt and fish there.  My most memorable time with frozen eyelets was at Shaver Lake on Jan 1. 1976 (I believe).  The ramp was snowed in and closed.  My buddy & I had a 12' alum and launched onto the snow (ice) up by the road.  We loaded everything into the boat and used rope to lower the boat, etc to the water.  Then we went fishing and experienced the frozen eyelets!!  All of this was the easy part---we hadn't thought of getting that mess back up the hill. ::) After we were half frozen to death, we had to unload everything and carry the stuff piece by piece back (uphill) up to the road--about 200 yards.  Then we really had to fight to get the boat back up there.  Like you said we were younger then!! ;) ;D

By the way I see you live below Shaver near the 4 lane and Old Tollhouse Grade.  My brother-in-law lives a few miles below there.  There is a fire road (forget the name).  Turn off Tollhouse on the firelane and then take a private road down the hill towards the Edison power line and he is home.  I lived in Clovis from 1950 to 1990 and still have lots of family in the area.  Sometime if the stars line up right, I would love to come to see your fantastic shop and collection.
TomT

Hi Tom --

My first 4X4 was an old 66 Ford Bronco --put a 351 with power steering into it -- after taking out the old 170 straight six.  Had soft top and soft doors.

Heading up into Devil's Bathtub one day around 40 years ago -- I had just installed a 8000 lb Warn winch with a frame mounted bumper -- never used the winch before.  It was late Spring, the pass had just opened up (Kaiser).  There was a much wider than normal creek (either Cold or Warm Creek) that was running full blast with snow runoff, around 100 feet across.  Looked OK to cross -- after all I had 4WD and a winch -- right?

Get about 2/3s of the way across -- and my front end dips down into a gravel bed that I did not know was so deep.  Engine still running, water coming through the vehicle and over the center console,  over the front part of the hood -- Bronco starting to drift a little downstream.  I half swim -- half hold onto the Bronco to get up to my winch -- only to find it is completely underwater -- and it is of course electric.  So I figure I might be in a little trouble at this point...

Anyway, free-spooled the cable out and somehow got across to the opposite bank that I was heading for -- went about 30 feet past and up a 4 foot vertical mud wall to attach the cable and hook to a big Tamarack.

Came back to the Bronco -- engine still running -- switched on the winch to see if it worked -- and it did.  Pulled me all of the way across, up through the mud bank -- and never missed a beat.

I have owned seven 4WDs since then -- and every one has had a Warn winch.

Your brother must live over by Peterson, Beal, or one of the roads down and across the four-lane.  Lot of roads down around that area.

Any time your up this way -- give me a shout.

Best,

Fred

Fred,
You don't "look"  crazy!!! ;) ;D

Too bad some of us don't have videos of some of the stuff we did.

Thanks for the offer,
TomT

Tom T Fred is looking down in his avatar so you can't see his eyes.  It's in the eyes where you see the craziness.  The other thing is he told a story where he had to be crazy to cross running water a hundred feet across.  Yep! totally nuts.   :D ;D :D  Dominick

No, I wasn't crazy -- just 21 -- not much difference...😄😄😄

Best,

Fred

Fred,
I used to go before the road closure.  I remember one location where a jeep or narrow wheel base could ride on the "road".  A wider wheel base had to put the right tire on a downed tree or trees for what seemed to be about 100' +.  If you went too far right then you were probably high centered.  The other memorable part was a section we called the "rock pile".  It was very steep and very rocky.  Again a jeep could get thru with few problems, but in my Dodge pickup we always had to jack up one wheel or the other and put rocks under the tires to get thru.  and this was many times of jacking and installing rocks.  But we were young and it was fun!!  Ahh!! the good ol days!!  But I NEVER had to swim to get thru. ;D
TomT

Is this the right grease to lube screws like for example screws for body foot on a  andros A 5ll?

Yes,
It will work fine for that Eric. Just don't use it in the drag washers. Everywhere else is OK.

Quote from: alantani on February 08, 2014, 07:02:40 PM
yeah, it's sticky, tacky and i've always hated working with it.  i dunno, just one of those things.  i think it would work fine, and i would use it if that's all i had access to, but i just took an immediate disliking to it.  :-\

Isnt stcky and tacky good things on marine grease ?

What are the other reason that make you immediate dislike it (sta lube) compared to yamaha

I have one brand new tube and unopened but im sure I can return it and find a true yamaha marine stuff

Quote from: Eric_LBZ on February 03, 2015, 03:52:13 AM
Is this the right grease to lube screws like for example screws for body foot on a  andros A 5ll?

Yep, it will be perfect.

Quote from: steelfish on April 03, 2015, 05:16:16 AM

Quote from: alantani on February 08, 2014, 07:02:40 PM
yeah, it's sticky, tacky and i've always hated working with it.  i dunno, just one of those things.  i think it would work fine, and i would use it if that's all i had access to, but i just took an immediate disliking to it.  :-\

Isnt stcky and tacky good things on marine grease ?

What are the other reason that make you immediate dislike it (sta lube) compared to yamaha

I have one brand new tube and unopened but im sure I can return it and find a true yamaha marine stuff

Sticky and tacky are kinda different ideas if not exactly scientific terms. :)


I think of sticky as ability to cling to parts, tacky nearly the same but the technical definition means " something still sticky but not dry". Unfortunately, sometimes we want parts to slide a little easier and the sticky becomes too much.

Anyways, depending on the reel and part depends on the use. If you want uber durable gear protection then sticky is great...on a conventional reel that will never notice it. Spinners can feel a little sluggish with super sticky greases, bearings too.

Very durable and sticky lubes that are great for gears can be cut with oils like corrosion-x for other uses.

Everyone has their own special flavor for different uses. I like Penn Grease as it is just right for nearly anything.

Quote from: johndtuttle on April 03, 2015, 04:08:58 PM
........Unfortunately, sometimes we want parts to slide a little easier and the sticky becomes too much.

gotcha !!!

Im returning the Sta lub tube today.. I still have a bunch of cals grease while I get the Yamaha blue marine grease

Question... anyone have a spec sheet for this grease?

I received my first tube of Yamaha Marine grease the other day and I did use it on my penn 200. I'm still on the fence between Cals and the Yamaha, Cals seams to be lighter but I'm anxious to see how it holds up to Salt water conditions, the Yamaha is thicker and leaves a nice film on the interior parts and it looks like it will hold up better in moist salty conditions. Ill know by the end of this season.   

when used as a general purpose grease, i've found that cal's tends to pick up water and harden.  that's why i've stuck to yamaha marine grease.  cal's is limited to drag washers. 

Quote from: alantani on April 14, 2015, 05:19:29 AM
when used as a general purpose grease, i've found that cal's tends to pick up water and harden.  that's why i've stuck to yamaha marine grease.  cal's is limited to drag washers. 

This oservation gives me a little more confidence in my technique of using a light film of Cal's inside of lever drag chambers when they have seals to keep.the water out, and in drags of course. 

Hi Alan, hi guys,
just got some grease from Yamaha today, but the Yamaha dealer here in Portugal told me that in Europe this one is the substitute for the old "blue" one...this one is light brown...
Can i use this grease in my reels? Is this the right one? I can't order from US, to much expensive due to custom costs.

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Thanks in advance

Quote from: caveirex on April 16, 2015, 10:43:33 PM
Hi Alan, hi guys,
just got some grease from Yamaha today, but the Yamaha dealer here in Portugal told me that in Europe this one is the substitute for the old "blue" one...this one is light brown...
Can i use this grease in my reels? Is this the right one? I can't order from US, to much expensive due to custom costs.

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Thanks in advance

Don't over think it. If it is grease with marine additives it will protect your reel. We just have our preferences having tried all kinds of stuff. There is nothing magical about Yamaha blue lube. It just has the right properties of consistency as compared to some we have tried. It's not too thick or too thin.

Any marine grease will do.

Hi caveirex --

John is right -- don't over think it.  Most greases will do a good job.

However, the Yamaha grease you purchased states -- "water resistant".

What is ideal is a Marine grade that clearly states -- "salt water resistant".

Big difference if you are using it in the ocean -- and not fresh water.

The Yamaha blue clearly reads salt water resistant -- as does the Penn blue grease.

This doesn't mean the grease you bought will not do a good job -- it might.  Although the reel may need to be serviced and the grease changed out more often.

Cal's Universal Reel & Drag Grease will also do a good job.  If you get the new purple, instead of the tan color -- it is a little less stiff since it is designed for colder weather applications.  So it may be just perfect for Portugal salt water fishing when applied to all insides of the reel -- not just the drags.  The Cal's states -- "Incredible salt-water corrosion protection".

Too bad you are not closer.  If you know of someone coming from the U.S. -- we could send them a pound of Yamaha Marine, Cal's, or Penn Blue.  Then they could just throw it in their checked luggage.  Easy to do, if needed.

Best,

Fred

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Yea, it may just be a packaging thing foakes. The tube clearly has an outboard motor on it so I assumed it had something in the way of marine additives.

regardless, I would use it as a temporizing solution until I found the ideal lube.

hmm

thanks Fred for bringing the purple Cals grease to the talking.

I saw it some days ago and I was wondering how better or what was the difference against the tan color one.

time to get some

Thanks for all the replies.

After a long and hard work online between the US and European Yamaha sites and catalogues for 2015 i realised that this Lical Grease is the "new" Yamalube Grease for Europe. It is saltwater resistant and anti corrosion, so i believe that will do the work as the old "blue one".

I talked with a Yamaha marine motors official mechanic and he told me that this grease is used in saltwater motors, so the components of the grease are the same, or very similar to the "blue one".

But as John said...no need to overthink...i will use this one, and the cal's grease for the drags.

In this fishing world, sometimes is harder to find the same things that you use on this side of the Atlantic :) and in the middle (Azores Islands) is harder!!! :D

Thanks guys!

I just received my Yamaha blue grease from amazon.com. I made a mistake in ordering the wrong size. I ended up buying the 14 oz size which apparently requires a grease gun. Should have bought the 10 oz as it comes with like a hair gel type tube packaging and the grease can be easily squeezed out of the tube, but the shipping cost from that vendor is even more ridiculously expensive.

But, I do have a question for Alan though. Having received my grease, I now know it is in fact petroleum-based. Having done more research, people say petroleum-based is no good and the grease should be synthetic instead. Is that really the case? So far what I have found is the Yamaha grease is quite thick. If you use it on a baitcaster with a non-disengaging levelwind such as Abu Garcia, I would imagine it will be too thick and will slow down your casts and cuts distance quite dramatically.

They finally opened a Harbor Freight near me. They sell tubes of Marine grease in tubes for mini grease guns. Anyone tried this stuff? I'm not sure I'd trust much from Harbor Freight.

Quote from: Rascal on June 27, 2015, 03:29:25 AM
I just received my Yamaha blue grease from amazon.com. I made a mistake in ordering the wrong size. I ended up buying the 14 oz size which apparently requires a grease gun. Should have bought the 10 oz as it comes with like a hair gel type tube packaging and the grease can be easily squeezed out of the tube, but the shipping cost from that vendor is even more ridiculously expensive.

But, I do have a question for Alan though. Having received my grease, I now know it is in fact petroleum-based. Having done more research, people say petroleum-based is no good and the grease should be synthetic instead. Is that really the case? So far what I have found is the Yamaha grease is quite thick. If you use it on a baitcaster with a non-disengaging levelwind such as Abu Garcia, I would imagine it will be too thick and will slow down your casts and cuts distance quite dramatically.

2 cents:

Don't over think it. Any grease is substantially better than none and reels have been greased with petroleum based greases for over a 100 years and continue to work.

Petroleum based greases may (in great time) have their lighter distillates boil off leaving gummy residue. This is very usually the least of our worries. We worry about protection first because:

1. We regularly look at our reels and clean them of old grease and replace with fresh. It never really gets too old to work.

2. If a reel was greased and ignored for 20 years then yes, it might be gummed up. So what? Clean out the old grease and relube it. You are now gtg and the reel has suffered no damage in the interim.

3. Marine Bearing greases are outstanding protection, cheap and widely available. It is not used because it is perfect, it is used because it works in offering outstanding protection. If you find something you think is better, use it. If you don't have something better readily available use any Marine Grease with confidence. They all offer outstanding protection, some just are thicker than we like for some applications.

4. If the marine grease you have is too thick for your taste, cut it to your desired thinness with your favorite oil.

5. The only parts on a baitcaster that affect casting are the spool bushings/bearings, the pinion bearing in some designs and the levelwind bushings/bearings. You should be using an oil on these. Grease for everything else that needs protection. Remember, cast controls are often used to slow the reel down. Ultimate speed is not critical 99% of the time.

6. Bearings that do not affect casting get grease for max protection, oil for convenience or for something that will attract sand and you don't want grease for that.


It's pretty simple really and in the final analysis we put our faith in keeping an eye on things and not letting some part corrode from neglect. If you are lubing your reel with nearly anything and keeping that watchful eye out (ie opening up the reel from time to time to be sure all is in good shape) that is all you really need to keep your reel in great functional shape.

If you want any other kind of super tuned performance then that really is another topic and an interesting one to be sure...but for routine use, don't over think it.

Reels are never ruined by grease. They are ruined by not being greased.

Quote from: MarkT on June 27, 2015, 04:46:24 AM
They finally opened a Harbor Freight near me. They sell tubes of Marine grease in tubes for mini grease guns. Anyone tried this stuff? I'm not sure I'd trust much from Harbor Freight.

I gotta admit I finally went in one the other day and was kinda appalled at the amount of junk I saw in there.

The marine grease they sell might not be as good as others in some kind of an empirical test but it more than likely is fine protection all the same.

As above, I have used random generic stuff when that was all I could find locally, but settled on Penn Blue for it's nice thickness for medium and light duty reels (its not too heavy).

Quote from: Rascal on June 27, 2015, 03:29:25 AM
I just received my Yamaha blue grease from amazon.com. I made a mistake in ordering the wrong size. I ended up buying the 14 oz size which apparently requires a grease gun. Should have bought the 10 oz as it comes with like a hair gel type tube packaging and the grease can be easily squeezed out of the tube, but the shipping cost from that vendor is even more ridiculously expensive.

But, I do have a question for Alan though. Having received my grease, I now know it is in fact petroleum-based. Having done more research, people say petroleum-based is no good and the grease should be synthetic instead. Is that really the case? So far what I have found is the Yamaha grease is quite thick. If you use it on a baitcaster with a non-disengaging levelwind such as Abu Garcia, I would imagine it will be too thick and will slow down your casts and cuts distance quite dramatically.

Is the Yamaha grease you received an Aqua color or dark blue. The new Yamaha Outboard grease is a blue/green Aqua color and is much thinner than their older grease.

I do use it on bait casting reels but it doesn't take much at all. 90% of the grease is pushed off the gears after a few turns.

I have also used the Cal's Purple on these reels. I like it much better than the Penn blue grease. It's thin and lubricates very well.

Quote from: johndtuttle on June 27, 2015, 07:40:37 PM

Quote from: MarkT on June 27, 2015, 04:46:24 AM
They finally opened a Harbor Freight near me. They sell tubes of Marine grease in tubes for mini grease guns. Anyone tried this stuff? I'm not sure I'd trust much from Harbor Freight.

I gotta admit I finally went in one the other day and was kinda appalled at the amount of junk I saw in there.

The marine grease they sell might not be as good as others in some kind of an empirical test but it more than likely is fine protection all the same.

As above, I have used random generic stuff when that was all I could find locally, but settled on Penn Blue for it's nice thickness for medium and light duty reels (its not too heavy).

John: I agree with you about Harbor Freight. What they sell is at best sub standard junk,but if you are looking for a bargain and aren't concerned with the quality then there you have it. ::)

For people who use Ebay,  I found Yamalube marine grease from a seller that turned out to be Boats.net, which was previously my first choice for Yamalube.   Turns out the Ebay price is essentially the same as directly from the Boats.net website, and the shipping on Ebay is a little less.  $6.69 + $3.38 shipping for the 10 oz tube (a little more for the 14 oz).   UPS tracking says I should have it next day (shipping from Georgia to Georgia, your mileage may vary).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181660898232 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/181660898232)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161584717041 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/161584717041)

No affiliation with these people.   I just found this to be a good price as well as very quick and easy to order.

Thanks SteveL!   I may be able to slow down my use of Cal's now.

Boats.net does have the best price for the Yamaha Marine Grease.

Quote from: handi2 on September 05, 2015, 10:10:29 PM
Boats.net does have the best price for the Yamaha Marine Grease.

Yes, and buying from them on ebay was a snap.   I ordered late at night, so really the order started the next business day, and received the package the following day (shipping from Georgia to Georgia).  Price plus shipping through ebay was a little less than through boats.net, with the understanding that I was buying one tube.   They do not combine shipping on their ebay store until you max out around $25 in shipping charges, so that $3.38 shipping charge is per tube.

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http://lastchanceperformancemarine.com/contact-us/

ask for lynne...

also available tubes for grease guns.

tight lines!

FYI:
I was looking for more info in Yamalube Marine Grease:
Here is what I found:

Marine Grease
Especially formulated to resist wash-off and extreme heat and pressure,
and prevent corrosion and rust. (NLGI® 2) Lithium soap based.
10 oz. Tube (Qty. 12*) ACC-GREAS-10-CT
14 oz. Cartridge (Qty. 10*) ACC-GREAS-14-CT

Quote from: Gobi King on December 04, 2017, 07:40:38 PM
FYI:
I was looking for more info in Yamalube Marine Grease:
Here is what I found:

Marine Grease
Especially formulated to resist wash-off and extreme heat and pressure,
and prevent corrosion and rust. (NLGI® 2) Lithium soap based.
10 oz. Tube (Qty. 12*) ACC-GREAS-10-CT
14 oz. Cartridge (Qty. 10*) ACC-GREAS-14-CT

All Lithium based greases are not the same. The standard "white lithium" greases are what we don't like. The get dry and chalky.

But don't over think it. There is no "miracle lube" that is best for everything and many, many that are perfectly adequate. The common flavors used by the pro techs here are not going to be surpassed by any significant margin by anything yet developed.

"Marine Bearing Grease" your pick for general salt protection for gears and surfaces etc.

Corrosion-X grease for (perhaps) a little heavier duty application.

Grease for bearings to protect.

Corrosion-X for general oiling of this and that ie bearings that don't have to be super fast and handles and stuff, levers etc.

TSI-321 for fastest bearings + corrosion. Useful for reels casting very light baits, otherwise, not strictly needed imo.

Yup what John said :) One thing I will add TSI321 seems to last longer than any other oil I've tried. I've been monitoring 3 reels, used heavily, for over 2 years. The freespool is still good - bearings still smooth - after an initial service I have not re-oiled the spool bearings in that time! I like CorrosionX/Reelx but it doesn't seem to last as long. Just my 2c. I now use TSI321 on all my tools and guns. After this plug if they would care to send some free samples - I won't  object :D

Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on December 04, 2017, 09:12:19 PM
Yup what John said :) One thing I will add TSI321 seems to last longer than any other oil I've tried. I've been monitoring 3 reels, used heavily, for over 2 years. The freespool is still good - bearings still smooth - after an initial service I have not re-oiled the spool bearings in that time! I like CorrosionX/Reelx but it doesn't seem to last as long. Just my 2c. I now use TSI321 on all my tools and guns. After this plug if they would care to send some free samples - I won't  object :D

To be fair, we all probably went through our "experimental lube" phase where we tried out this and that looking for another Holy Grail.

Fact of the matter (particularly in the salt) its more about standard stuff being used in the right spots and regularly servicing the reel than any special lube.

If you generously slathered just about any salt reel (without going overboard) with standard generic Marine Bearing grease it would be **very** well protected.

After that its just tiny tweaks for a little nicer performance.

Sometimes marine bearing grease in the bearings works nice for a poor man's casting brakes (heavy lures hucked hard).

Other times a drop of Corrosion-X from the outside is more than enough (better than 99% of factory lubed bearings).

Other times, a full special cleaning and soak in TSI-321 is in order when trying to flip 1/4oz baits etc. when you are playing "Kevin Van Dam Bassin' Foo'...".

:D

You are not wrong John - A lot of this can be over thought - but then - we all have preferences ;)

Coming up on the end of my first year working on reels I've settled in on a mixture of Yamaha blue marine grease & CorrosionX as my primary grease(gears and such);  ReelX for lighter oiling;  TSI321 for bearings; and Cal's for the drags.  I'm very satisfied with the results.

Quote from: wfjord on December 05, 2017, 05:47:37 AM
Coming up on the end of my first year working on reels I've settled in on a mixture of Yamaha blue marine grease & CorrosionX as my primary grease(gears and such);  ReelX for lighter oiling;  TSI321 for bearings; and Cal's for the drags.  I'm very satisfied with the results.

Question for a newbie like me:
Which corrosionx product do you use?

Also, I found reelx $10 for 1 oz bottle with $2 shipping, is this the regular price?

Thanks,

Quote from: Gobi King on December 06, 2017, 03:50:11 PM
Question for a newbie like me:
Which corrosionx product do you use?

Also, I found reelx $10 for 1 oz bottle with $2 shipping, is this the regular price?

Thanks,

I have a trigger bottle of regular CorrosionX that I mix with Yamaha grease and use for innumerable other things; and a small bottle of ReelX with an applicator tip. That price sounds about right for the ReelX --it goes a long way. 

Quote from: Gobi King on December 06, 2017, 03:50:11 PM

Quote from: wfjord on December 05, 2017, 05:47:37 AM
Coming up on the end of my first year working on reels I've settled in on a mixture of Yamaha blue marine grease & CorrosionX as my primary grease(gears and such);  ReelX for lighter oiling;  TSI321 for bearings; and Cal's for the drags.  I'm very satisfied with the results.

Question for a newbie like me:
Which corrosionx product do you use?

Also, I found reelx $10 for 1 oz bottle with $2 shipping, is this the regular price?

Thanks,

ReelX (probably doesn't last as long/protect as well) is a little faster lube than Corrosion-X. If you are looking for a great deal get this for your reels. Its regular Corrosion-X but just marketed for guns:

https://www.amazon.com/Corrosion-50010-Guns-4oz-bottle/dp/B0009H1AM6/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1512583775&sr=8-6&keywords=corrosionx

Thank you!  I just bought a few reelx gun version for my guns/reels ;D

I was strolling around my local Bass Pro Shop in their boating supplies section and came across this product...Mystik JT6 High Performance Marine Grease.  Retails for $3.49 for a 14 ounce cartridge.  NLGI 2 rating and is manufactured by CITGO.  Tube states the following:
- Premium quality high performance extreme pressure marine grease
- Outstanding water and water washout resistance, protects against saltwater corrosion
- Excellent wear protection and load carrying capacity
- Recommended operating temperature range zero degrees to 250 degrees Fahrenheit.

I picked up several tubes and have been using this for my grease needs when rebuilding reels.  Seems to stick to parts fairly well, and is very smooth.  Price is right if it works for you.

Mystic is good stuff, I found synthetic marine grease made by peak at Pepboys, I will swing by the only pepstore in town later in the week.

I only do about 30 reels a year. I bought a pound of Penn blue grease for $15. I think it'll last me for my lifetime. I've had nothing but good results with the Penn Blue on gears and Cals on drags. Should I look for the Yamaha marine grease and use it instead? Is it that much better than the Penn?

Are you guys using the Yamaha because its that much better or to save money when doing a lot of reels or because it comes in the tubes to use in grease guns to pack bearings and to do the cut off inflator needle trick?

Andy and the folks at SIM are great people, I use them for all thing yamaha related.
Regards,
Charlie

John, I am probably over simplyfing this (for some) but, some grease/oil better than none. Marine grease, of some sort, better. Oil? TSI321, CorrosionX/ReelX, better than most - you pays ya money and takes ya chances :)
Many of us have been down the 'let's experiment route'. The finally seems to be something like - marine grease and a good oil - you choose :-\ Just my 2c or should that be 2p (or not 2p that will be the prostate ;D)

Thank you

Quote from: johnachak on March 09, 2018, 12:12:48 AM
I only do about 30 reels a year. I bought a pound of Penn blue grease for $15. I think it'll last me for my lifetime. I've had nothing but good results with the Penn Blue on gears and Cals on drags. Should I look for the Yamaha marine grease and use it instead? Is it that much better than the Penn?

Are you guys using the Yamaha because its that much better or to save money when doing a lot of reels or because it comes in the tubes to use in grease guns to pack bearings and to do the cut off inflator needle trick?

There are some that say the Penn grease doesn't hold up to very high temperatures long term (like over 100F) as the base evaporates. If that is not a concern for you and yours its a perfectly fine grease from a lube and protection from salt standpoint.

Yamaha appears to be more stable long term.

Quote from: Alto Mare on April 02, 2011, 12:24:40 PM
My suggestion is directed for guys that use Yamha  Marine Grease exclusively.


Alan, what do you think about a refillable 3oz cartridge?
You could ask one of your machinist to make a 3oz refillable cartridge, maybe out of aluminum or anything that is more cost-efficient, he would then install a zerx fitting directly on the gun itself, so there wouldn't be no need to unscrew the gun (we all know the mess that couses) you just back the spring up and fill the gun with a 14oz gun. I realize that we would have to buy the 14oz gun also, but I think it would be worth it in a long run. The only issue is that you would have to sell the complete  customized gun. I bet they would go like hot cakes.......or am I talking out of my you know what? I for one would go for it, I'm sure some of us maintain their boat and trailers, and we all know what it's like using the 14oz grease gun especially under the trailer. (again this is only related to yamaha marine grease use)learning from this product, I will be using it on my outboard and everything else on the boat.
Of course if Yamaha decides to make the 3oz cartridges we would forget about it. :-\

Try this, it makes less of a mess. Do what cake decorator's do, use a plastic bag or other type of bag. Use a bulk grease container, scoop grease into a plastic bag, cut the tip off  one corner, and then squeeze bag to fill the tube to reuse over and over. Can do the same thing with the glove allen talks about.  use a disposable knife or putty knife for the scooping portion.

I picked up a couple of Jello moulds that look like hypodermic tubes that are used for Jello shots. They come in 1 oz. & 2 oz. sizes. Just stick the tip into the grease & suck it into the tube. Great for lubing bearings when the shields are removed or when you just need a dab of grease somewhere. I got mine on ebay.           Rudy

Quote from: RowdyW on July 28, 2018, 07:38:11 PM
I picked up a couple of Jello moulds that look like hypodermic tubes that are used for Jello shots. They come in 1 oz. & 2 oz. sizes. Just stick the tip into the grease & suck it into the tube. Great for lubing bearings when the shields are removed or when you just need a dab of grease somewhere. I got mine on ebay.           Rudy

Hey Rudy, I have a few hypodermic syringes for horses that would work I think. Good Suggestion...................Joe   

Amazon has the big jello shooters, syringes, that i use. I have all different greases in them. For spinning reels it works great. You can almost do an entire reel without using a brush.

They are great for putting grease in the handle and cap openings.

On a 4/0 and 6/0 you can push the end tight to a bearing and it will pack that bearing. The grease will come out of the seals.

Quote from: kmstorm64 on July 28, 2018, 05:15:28 PM

Quote from: Alto Mare on April 02, 2011, 12:24:40 PM
My suggestion is directed for guys that use Yamha  Marine Grease exclusively.


Alan, what do you think about a refillable 3oz cartridge?
You could ask one of your machinist to make a 3oz refillable cartridge, maybe out of aluminum or anything that is more cost-efficient, he would then install a zerx fitting directly on the gun itself, so there wouldn't be no need to unscrew the gun (we all know the mess that couses) you just back the spring up and fill the gun with a 14oz gun. I realize that we would have to buy the 14oz gun also, but I think it would be worth it in a long run. The only issue is that you would have to sell the complete  customized gun. I bet they would go like hot cakes.......or am I talking out of my you know what? I for one would go for it, I'm sure some of us maintain their boat and trailers, and we all know what it's like using the 14oz grease gun especially under the trailer. (again this is only related to yamaha marine grease use)learning from this product, I will be using it on my outboard and everything else on the boat.
Of course if Yamaha decides to make the 3oz cartridges we would forget about it. :-\

Try this, it makes less of a mess. Do what cake decorator's do, use a plastic bag or other type of bag. Use a bulk grease container, scoop grease into a plastic bag, cut the tip off  one corner, and then squeeze bag to fill the tube to reuse over and over. Can do the same thing with the glove allen talks about.  use a disposable knife or putty knife for the scooping portion.

This was almost 8 years ago, things change along the way :).
Yamaha grease is excellent and I use it often,  but it isn't the only grease I use.
I keep it simple, I shoot a little in a pill container with a screw on top and use my little brush to apply it.
I'm also liking Shimano Premium Grease, I use that on special reels, but it isn't cheap. I like the way it sticks to gears, it doesn't take very much.

For spinners, I usually use Valvoline Multi-Purpose Grease ( red in color ) thinned down .

I like to experiment, these are the 3 I'm sticking with so far.

For packing bearings with Yamaha grease, at times I'll use my bearing packer, most times, I'll just remove one shield and pack it by hand.

Sal

Sal: Do you use any Corrosion X on any Penn's? I found that to be good on my small Penn"s up to 112s. It feels a little smother, but it's consistence is thicker then Yamaha..........Joe   

Quote from: Reel 224 on July 28, 2018, 09:36:43 PM
Sal: Do you use any Corrosion X on any Penn's? I found that to be good on my small Penn"s up to 112s. It feels a little smother, but it's consistence is thicker then Yamaha..........Joe   

Corrosion -X is excellent stuff, I also use Speed-X for bearings on spinners, or TSI 301, whichever I grab first.

Corrosion -X is thicker, I usually run a bead on spool shafts and gear sleeves.

Sal:  :) :) ;) I picked that up from you some time ago, I was just trying to jog you memory. ;D.............Joe

Does Yamaha Grease stay blue once it's been in the reel for a few weeks?

I cannot find Yamaha Grease around here so I bought some blue-colored "SuperTech Marine Grease" at Walmart. It turns green/yellow pretty quick though, so I am wondering if Yamaha does too?

I've never actually seen the Yamaha grease, but figured marine grease is marine grease, right? But seeing this color change is making me wonder if this may not be such a good choice to put in my reels? Btw, I've only used it to coat sideplates and such for now...

Most Yamaha marine dealers carry it. I've never had it change color. I would only worry if the grease emulsifies, that means it's mixing with water.       Rudy

Quote from: RowdyW on July 29, 2018, 04:10:40 AMMost Yamaha marine dealers carry it. I've never had it change color. I would only worry if the grease emulsifies, that means it's mixing with water.  Rudy

Thanks Rudy. This stuff changes color even without water exposure.

On reels that were fished hard , especially star drag reels, everything will eventually turn black.
Yamaha grease doesn't really change color, but it will eventually get mixed with carbon fiber bust and Cal's grease, that's when everything turns black...still functional though.
Most spinners that I work on look almost the same as the day I service them.


Sal

To bad Cal's is so expensive. Accurate uses it everywhere in their reels. This's what I'd do if it weren't about $8+/oz.

Hear is the Hypo. Grease gun I have found in the Barn...................Joe

Quote from: Gfish on July 29, 2018, 04:10:42 PMTo bad Cal's is so expensive. Accurate uses it everywhere in their reels. This's what I'd do if it weren't about $8+/oz.

Really? Good to know 'cause I'm doing that on a couple of my best reels, but wasn't sure it was a good idea.

If anyone still looking for the Yamalube Marine Grease, look up suncityrvs on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322388832223?euid=null&bu=44440281387&cp=1&sojTags=bu=bu

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-New-OEM-YAMALUBE-MARINE-GREASE-14-1OZ-TUBE-CARTRIDGE-ACC-GREAS-14-CT/322920490168?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D52543%26meid%3D27b8d0daf9644e5299c2c4b64daa6ce5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D322388832223%26itm%3D322920490168&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

They shipped to Portugal, so I believe they'll ship just about anywhere.

João

I live down in Nicaragua, Central America, and work on my own reels but there aren't too many grease options but there is a Yamaha outboard dealer! However, I found some generic "made in USA" blue "hi temp" marine/bearing grease but it does seem super thick and on gears makes my Daiwa spinners noticeably tighter than original. It also goes green with time from the ice blue colour. I see people on here mentioning mixing the grease with something else to make it lighter. What could I use to do that, that will be available here? (ie something automotive).
cheers

Quote from: Joao Tavares on August 28, 2018, 06:14:14 AM
If anyone still looking for the Yamalube Marine Grease, look up suncityrvs on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322388832223?euid=null&bu=44440281387&cp=1&sojTags=bu=bu

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-New-OEM-YAMALUBE-MARINE-GREASE-14-1OZ-TUBE-CARTRIDGE-ACC-GREAS-14-CT/322920490168?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D52543%26meid%3D27b8d0daf9644e5299c2c4b64daa6ce5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D322388832223%26itm%3D322920490168&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

They shipped to Portugal, so I believe they'll ship just about anywhere.

João


Look at the shipping cost dude  :o

It doesn't have to be blue to be good. Any marine grease is better than none ;)

david, you should be good as is. 

Thank you for the replies. There aren't exactly many tackleshops/reel repair around nor really many fishermen! I have to ship literally almost everything down pretty much. I use Cal's Universal for my drags. Can't seem to find the Daiwa 555 on ebay. Also that Blue Penn grease seems to wash/run really easily and doesn't seem to hold up very long in a drag in this heat here.

Keeping this thread slowly moving along...

Is there a specific reason why Yamaha Marine Grease couldn't be used for a Carbontex-based drag stack? I'm onboard with protecting the metal surfaces and gears with it but I've been using Cal's on the drag stack. Reading through lots and lots of posts, I haven't seen this addressed before. For the price and convenience, using just one product would simplify maintenance a little.

Thanks,
Jay

For one thing Cal's contains teflon. It's what Cal developed for carbon fiber drags.        Rudy

Quote from: orsteelheader on February 14, 2019, 03:34:19 AM
Keeping this thread slowly moving along...

Is there a specific reason why Yamaha Marine Grease couldn't be used for a Carbontex-based drag stack? I'm onboard with protecting the metal surfaces and gears with it but I've been using Cal's on the drag stack. Reading through lots and lots of posts, I haven't seen this addressed before. For the price and convenience, using just one product would simplify maintenance a little.

Thanks,
Jay

'Using just one product would simplify maintenance'
Yup I totally agrree - that's exactly why I only use one teflon based marine grease for everything. The one I use is a British made product - no shipping problems :)
https://www.smithandallan.com/products/industrial-grease/4640-smith-and-allan-teflube-plus-2-grease/

Dupont also makes a Teflon based Marine grease. It's almost identical in color to Cal's. I bought a one pound can for $7.00 & it's available here in the USA.           

Quote from: RowdyW on February 14, 2019, 11:46:00 AM
Dupont also makes a Teflon based Marine grease. It's almost identical in color to Cal's. I bought a one pound can for $7.00 & it's available here in the USA.           

Rudy,
What part of the reel are you using the Dupont grease? Good results so far? Thanks!
Darin

Darin, I just use it for the drags the same way I use Cal's. I find no difference in preformance compared to Cal's. I use Penn Blue or Yamaha Marine on the rest of the reel. I just bought a 1 lb can of Super lube to try out on my reels but not for the drags. It seems to be a little thicker then the Penn or Yamaha. For the drags I'll stick with Cal's or Dupont Marine w/ teflon.              Rudy

Rudy: Were is it available, could let us know?

Joe

Joe, I got it through Amazon about 3 years ago. It was sold through an auto parts store in Texas.  It will probably last the rest of my life because I'm not in the buisness.      Rudy

Thank's Rudy. I'll check it out for my use, if it's as good as cal's then I use it.

Joe

Here is were I found it.https://www.mcmaster.com/marine-grease mcmaster car is close to me here.

Joe

Joe, the 16 oz. can that I have is the one on your M-C list #8708T15. Synthetic, Teflon w/Lithium Thickener. The color is listed as white but is actually tan like Cal's.

Is Yamaha Marine Grease a synthetic?

No

Rudy: I wish I live closer right now to go over this SOB fix with the 112H DD bridge.

Joe

Patience Joe Patience, you can't solve everything right away. Grab a glass of juice & take a short stroll outside & breath some fresh air to clear your head. I would suggest abandoning trying to redesign the dog. Relocate the pivot pin & then redesign the dog. JMO. Try working with an old stock brass bridge & drill that with any holes you need. I would say that Sal is on the right track.           Rudy

Rudy: That's good advice, I'll go at it tomorrow. Glass of Juice ;D ;D that's a good one. I drink Scotch ;) Joe

But scotch won't clear your head. Save that for when the job is done.  (I'm a Captain Morgan man myself).  ;D

Quote from: RowdyW on February 15, 2019, 03:59:02 AM
But scotch won't clear your head. Save that for when the job is done.  (I'm a Captain Morgan man myself).  ;D

It seems that all you Navy guys like Captain Morgan. By the way. Why are you up so late?

Joe

I'm not up late. This is the middle of my day. I'm a night owl. Whoo Whoo!  Yo Ho Ho and a barrel of rum!

Okay anchor clinker, I'm off to pick up my order from McMasters Car. Scotch on the rocks.....Joe 

Quote from: nelz on February 14, 2019, 09:12:44 PM
Is Yamaha Marine Grease a synthetic?

FYI
If you are looking for syn marine grease - check out pepboys
they have Peak Marine Synthetic grease.

I have the yamaha marine grease in a glass jar for about 3 years. I noticed that there is some oil separation at the bottom of the jar. Is it normal?

i think so.  i've seen the same thing if the large cartridge tubes.  didn't seem to be a problem!

Quote from: orsteelheader on February 14, 2019, 03:34:19 AMKeeping this thread slowly moving along...

Is there a specific reason why Yamaha Marine Grease couldn't be used for a Carbontex-based drag stack? I'm onboard with protecting the metal surfaces and gears with it but I've been using Cal's on the drag stack. Reading through lots and lots of posts, I haven't seen this addressed before. For the price and convenience, using just one product would simplify maintenance a little.

Thanks,
Jay

You can use any general marine grease on the drag washers and it works just fine. Penn uses their blue grease in there. Other than its poor longevity in heat they seem to be happy with it.

The properties of any bearing grease are really nothing to worry about in the drag, afaik. The principal function is to prevent water intrusion that gets soaked up by the woven washer and leads to lumpy washers = sticky drag performance and corrosion. The grease also has a role in reducing "start up" friction but really, that don't mean much for a saltwater reel.

OTOH, if I was fishing 2 pound leaders for trophy trout then a legit cold temp drag grease might be useful(?). Foakes or some other Freshwater Sensei will answer that question. I try, but I don't have much interaction with trophy trout :).

For saltwater game fish, startup friction should not be too worrisome a consideration and the differences between different greases probably not noticeable.

I had tried hydrocarbon based greases and lithium based greases in the beginning,  but they both made the drag worse. Teflon based greases were the only ones that ever worked in carbon fiber drag washers for me.