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Title: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on October 30, 2015, 02:43:36 PM
Ted's trio.

(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/kingfisher57/8c139e9c-fd83-4334-9aea-86d539d3d8bf.jpg) (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/8c139e9c-fd83-4334-9aea-86d539d3d8bf.jpg.html)

A 1933 Penn long Beach #60 , 250 yds. trade reel for E.K. Tryon Hardware with the Kingfisher logo mounted on a rod winch fitting.

A 1933 Penn Sea Ford #65 300yds.

A late 1939 Seagate #126 300yds. Penn introduced this model for Chater boats and Pier operators .


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on October 30, 2015, 02:49:34 PM
Ted,

I have seen many of your immaculate condition Penn reels . I did not know you had a flip side  :) .  The '33 300 yard Sea Ford and the Seagate are  both tough finds . Always like the Kingfisher logo trade reels .

Ray


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 30, 2015, 04:22:16 PM
Ray,

I bet when Ted gets done with those old classics, we will not recognize them as the same reels you have pictured.

Great finds.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 30, 2015, 05:17:32 PM
  C'mon Mike, Ray, Brian, Dom, Daron, Sal and all you other guys and gals..... I'm not the only one with skeletons in the closet. Let's see them.

   All 3 of these reels are obviously well used and have stood the test of time, as they all function smooth as silk. A testament to penns quality and durability that started with the very first penn made.

  


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 30, 2015, 05:44:45 PM
OK, since you want my skeleton in the closet, here you go::::


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on October 30, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
 

  Ray, the one with dome click is a Seaford. If it had inside rings it would be a long beach lol

 
   

Ted , Good to see you are on the ball...I have fixed up the mistake so it is the correct info.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 30, 2015, 06:44:45 PM
OK, since you want my skeleton in the closet, here you go::::

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4463/37762191686_a4a6102569_b.jpg)


  OMG, I always knew there was something different about you Mike..........and don't think we won't notice the subliminal message you're sending with a black kitty kat in the reflection of a lens. :o ( maybe grey and white, but same subliminals or perhaps a new word "sublanimals) ;D ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on October 30, 2015, 07:21:23 PM


(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/kingfisher57/6092a_1.jpg) (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/6092a_1.jpg.html)
A 1934 Bridge City as found on Ebay.  This one needed a bit of work but is all correct and working now. Operation was performed by the Penn Dr. M.C. himself.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on October 30, 2015, 07:42:47 PM
First..second..third/forth year Sea Fords.

The first is a reel Frankenstein.  Headplate is first/second year/model correct, but the tailplate appears to be from a first year LongBeach since it has the inner ring.   


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on October 30, 2015, 07:48:40 PM
First and second year 109.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on October 30, 2015, 08:20:17 PM
I'm wondering what else Ted will come up with, I've seen the many boxes of reels he has stashed away, I'm sure he didn't even look at some yet. ;D
Thanks for sharing your treasures, my friend.

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 30, 2015, 09:24:57 PM
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..........and don't think we won't notice the subliminal message you're sending with a black kitty kat in the reflection of a lens.

Nope, not me. I don't do subliminal. I have enough trouble with the regular plain old over and above board liminal. Forgetabout a SUBliminal :P


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on October 31, 2015, 12:37:38 AM

Hope springs eternal


Love those old maroon reels.  Every time i see one the heart rate goes up and hope to see one i have not seen before.


Mike, Hope that old guest can hold on till Thanksgiving ........He sure needs a feed.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 31, 2015, 06:25:41 AM
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Mike, Hope that old guest can hold on till Thanksgiving ........He sure needs a feed.
He is a bit anorexic, just can't seem to keep anything down ;D

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Love those old maroon reels.  Every time i see one the heart rate goes up and hope to see one i have not seen before.
I sort of feel that the old maroon 1933 Penn reels are getting harder to find in good condition and the boxes are near impossible. Can't remember the last 1933, or for that matter, 1934 style box. Maybe its me, I can't remember many things :-\.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on October 31, 2015, 07:33:07 AM
Had this one going on 5 years. Haven't done a thing to it, just sits on the shelf. As you can see they used it a lot and it would still catch fish the way it is.
 300 yard Coronado prototype.
        (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_4791_zpsxtbavbcg.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on October 31, 2015, 09:12:21 AM
Always got a few waiting in the bullpen.

Just need some time to get to them -- they generally come last after customers and life's responsibilities.

As found or acquired.

Old LB60
Anglesea
99
Silver Beach
(2) Seagates
500 JM
Peerless 9
And assorted older non Penns



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 31, 2015, 09:31:29 AM
Had this one going on 5 years. Haven't done a thing to it, just sits on the shelf. As you can see they used it a lot and it would still catch fish the way it is.
 300 yard Coronado prototype.
        (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_4791_zpsxtbavbcg.jpg)


  Thanks Brian............That's what I intended this thread to be about..............well used old penns that look like they were used for a boat anchor and have stood the test of time and abuse, but still function silky smooth. I think you have a 1933 long beach you rigged up and were considering fishing. How bout posting that old salty reel ??


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on October 31, 2015, 09:48:28 AM
Ted,
  Here's the Long Beach. This is ready to go just have to add line and put in on the rod. It has been cleaned, no way was I going to use it the way it looked. Problem is don't know when I'll be able to get out to fish. Check out our forecast for the next few days. http://www.wunderground.com/MAR/PZ/255.html   It's like that most of the time this time of year.
                 (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_4785_zpsulziv8g0.jpg)
                 (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_4782_zpsldrncoih.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 31, 2015, 03:29:37 PM
Many moons ago I found  a 1933 Penn Long Beach. It was rough, so rough that I felt I had to name this reel. I named it, "The Ugly Long Beach". I still resides in my collection. I will never sell it. As you can imagine, they are not beating down my door to buy it, so not selling it was never a problem. Here is my old and abused Long Beach as I found it in 2006.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Long%20Beach%20Models/DSC04300_zps6779a308.jpg)

I had been collecting for a short time. As a new collector, the 1933 reels were the most elusive Penn reels to find, so this ugly old Long Beach looked like a gem to me. It did not come cheap, if I remember right, I paid about $150 for it. I was happy to find it, no matter what the cost. In my mind it was rare.

For those that do not know me, I am not the kind of collector that places condition in the number one spot. My priority is always the piece! A rare reel is rare, even if it is ugly.

So, I decided to clean this reel. I broke it down and am happy to report that old dog of a reel was all original.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Long%20Beach%20Models/DSC04333_zpseeb7e7f9.jpg)

After cleaning and reassembly, guess what. It runs like new, the drags are good, the clicker is good, it spins nice, quiet, smooth and fast. This reel could be lined and still catch fish on any day of the week. At 82 years old, it cold still be put to work.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Long%20Beach%20Models/1933%20Penn%20Ugly%20Long%20Beach--Model%2065%20003%20640%20x%20480_zpsi5pp7mxi.jpg)

All those years of dirt, grime and that famous saltwater green are gone, along with most of the chrome.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Long%20Beach%20Models/1933%20Penn%20Ugly%20Long%20Beach--Model%2065%20006%20640%20x%20480_zpsg7u2b0nm.jpg)

The side plates have that sandblasted style that I love.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Long%20Beach%20Models/1933%20Penn%20Ugly%20Long%20Beach--Model%2065%20009%20640%20x%20480_zps5mixevbk.jpg)

And the stand has a mixture of chrome and brass that creates patina that is impossible to duplicate. What really adds character is the Bakelite chipped handle boss, a very common condition with these 1933 models.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Long%20Beach%20Models/1933%20Penn%20Ugly%20Long%20Beach--Model%2065%20012%20640%20x%20480_zps2ibzyzui.jpg)

Yup, this is a reel that is what it is, clean, fully functioning and still Ugly. But it is my first 1933 Long Beach and no matter what the offers are, I refuse to part with it.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 31, 2015, 03:42:10 PM
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Always got a few waiting in the bullpen.

Fred,

Your consistent accumulations never cease to amaze me. You are the neatest hoarder I have ever seen.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 31, 2015, 03:51:44 PM
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  Here's the Long Beach. This is ready to go just have to add line and put in on the rod. It has been cleaned, no way was I going to use it the way it looked. Problem is don't know when I'll be able to get out to fish. Check out our forecast for the next few days. http://www.wunderground.com/MAR/PZ/255.html   It's like that most of the time this time of year.

Brian,

Great reel, please keep it on the shelf. After checking out your weather, I believe you should take up surf fishing until next Summer. :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Steve-O on October 31, 2015, 07:17:58 PM
Though more of an angler than reel collector, these types of threads perk my interest enough to get a couple of oldie goldies that have decades of fish and ocean love patina built up on them just for my display case.

But I know how that ends.....it doesn't.....just ONE more....

I had a handful of the common garden variety Penns and sold them this past summer.

So my hat's off to you serious reel nuts...er...aficionados. Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on October 31, 2015, 08:06:58 PM


So my hat's off to you serious reel nuts...er...aficionados. Thanks for sharing.


Hey Mike,   There's that familiar term... "Reel Nuts" .


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 31, 2015, 09:11:31 PM
  I can think of worse things to be than a reel nut. Ray is still holding out on us. I know he has some that show their age and want to be pulled out of the closet for a moment of fame.

  Mike, I love that '33 long beach. Looks like the original owner liked it too... ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 31, 2015, 09:56:58 PM
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Hey Mike,   There's that familiar term... "Reel Nuts"

Yup, we have been Reel Nuts for many years. As Ted said, we could be worse things.

Anyways, here is one of my favorites. For some reason, it took me a long time to find this first year Squidder 140. It has a permanent place on my shelf.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Squidder/1939%20Penn%20Squidder%20033%20676%20x%20507_zps6x9fjfij.jpg)

It is unique and different than all other Squidders because of the non-clamp stand and the Linen Line capacity stamping on the bottom of the stand. The Squidder was built like this only in 1939.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Squidder/1939%20Penn%20Squidder%20046%20676%20x%20507_zpsgbu8bsr8.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: coastal_dan on November 02, 2015, 09:17:37 AM
Mike, that's too cool.  Interesting how not a whole lot had changed from beginning to end on those Squidders. 

Some awesome pieces in the thread, enjoying it quite a bit :)

Ted, dare I say your 'Coronado'?  It would fit well here.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on November 04, 2015, 08:48:47 PM
Just recieved my first gen. 9/0 in the mail today.  It appears to be correct for a ca. 1939 production year.  It is in rough shape, but certainly has plenty of 'character'.  I am thinking of only a light cleaning/service before displaying in all of her ugly glory.  

Although this is one of the more common prewar and first gen senator models, they are still relatively tough to come by.  It has the unmistakable characteristics of an early 9/0...

German silver, nonnumbered parts, internal drags, small harness lugs, no rod brace lugs, early mold w/o model number, 3-piece spool with drilled arbor, early Hershey clicker style, older style crossplate/stand w/small diameter carriage bolts, and 1939-42 era, style torpedo handle w/ coin-edged counterweight.

It may even be possible that this reel is a first year 1936 or  produced b4 1939 whereby someone decided to upgrade the reel with the new torpedo handle when it came out...

why can't fishermen just leave well enough alone :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 04, 2015, 10:34:38 PM
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It may even be possible that this reel is a first year 1936 or  produced b4 1939 whereby someone decided to upgrade the reel with the new torpedo handle when it came out...

John,

Does that reel have external drags? In the top picture it looks like it does not have them and in the lower picture it looks like it does. Are my eyes playing tricks on me?

I have three first gen 9/0's in my collection and none of them have external drags. If it does have the external drags, then I really doubt if it is an early version.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on November 04, 2015, 10:42:46 PM
Mike,
That same camera angle fooled several of us (I won't say who exactly), but no the reel has internal drags.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on November 05, 2015, 08:19:14 AM
   Here are a couple of first gen ( handle at 5 O'clock ) Senators with the external drags. First one is a Schultz Game Fisher.  Second one is a regular Penn, note that the new logo in on this reel. I feel that they went to the external drags in 1940. I also think that you don't see many first gen reels with the external drags as they started to make second gen 9/0 reels ( handle at 7 O'clock ) in 1940.
               (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_4793_zpsk29bsocm.jpg)
               (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_4795_zpstklez1fd.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 05, 2015, 01:58:13 PM
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Here are a couple of first gen ( handle at 5 O'clock ) Senators with the external drags. First one is a Schultz Game Fisher.  Second one is a regular Penn, note that the new logo in on this reel. I feel that they went to the external drags in 1940. I also think that you don't see many first gen reels with the external drags as they started to make second gen 9/0 reels ( handle at 7 O'clock ) in 1940.

Brian,

What do you base your timeline on? I feel that the external drag 9/0's are post war and the first generation 9/0's were made after the war for a short time. Saying that second generation build styles were made for the 9/0 size, pre-war, is a stretch, unless you have some documentation I do not know about.  I have three Penn 9/0's, all with the old fashioned logos and one Shultz Gamefisher 9/0. All of them are internal drags, early build style reels. I know the external drags were installed into first generation build reels; but, I feel it was done after World War II.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on November 05, 2015, 02:53:36 PM
     I base the  time line on the information in the catalogs and from my observations.  In the 1938 and 1939 catalogs they refer to the external drags as "The 12/0 Senator Star Drag". See page 9 in Cat. #6, 1938 and page 18 in #7 1939. In 1940 they now refer to the external drags as "The Senator Star Drag"  they also had images of 7 senators, in 1938 & 39 they only had 3. They images of the 9/0 & 4/0 now  show the external drags.  Last thing is that in 1941 Penn for the first time state that the forward rod brace was on the 9/0. They don't show it in the images. I have only seen 1 first gen 9/0 with the forward rod brace and it was the one that just sold on eBay. That reel has a lot of updated parts added to it so the chance of those rod braces being there when it was made are slim to none, IMHO.    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1st-Generation-Penn-9-0-Senator-Reel-Rare-Configuration-Late-1930s-Must-See-/151859548079?hash=item235b88cfaf%3Ag%3ARooAAOSw%7EbFWKp7t&nma=true&si=5b8g8LBlEbmFUqSItWjCMYKoT0k%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557     I have 2 second gen 9/0 that do not have the forward braces and have the small harness braces.
   When I look at that it makes me think that they had the external drags by 1940. But you have to remember that this  is the opinion of The Insane One. ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on November 05, 2015, 03:14:22 PM
This is good stuff.

I wonder about cases of older mold plugs being used in newer style molds (i.e. non model # plug in a 9/0 Senator with front rod brace).  This would seem to be a somewhat  common practice with regards to trade reels whoes production spanned the transition at the factory.  But the occurance in standard Penn reels seems likely to have occurred during a transition period where the old plug was used in the newly developed mold for a short period before the new mold plug arrived?

Using up older parts in a newer reel makes sense, as does someone upgrading an older reel with newer parts, but it's these cases where there is a mix of new and old traits in a single reel or dustict part priduced fir that reel, that seem to suggest a transitional period at the factory. 

I may be confusing myself here. 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on November 05, 2015, 05:20:56 PM
My understanding, from Mike, Ray, and other experts who have researched Penn extensively, is --

Penn wasted very little.

Since a majority of parts would fit the same reel for many years -- there was no reason to not use what was on hand.

We have to remember, this was an independent business, based on manufacturing high quality reels for the masses -- at a competitive price -- and still turn a profit.

And, of course, there was no intention of building collector items for the future. 

Employees were encouraged to use their heads, in order to send out as many reels as possible to retailers -- and if the parts were already on hand -- that just made sense.

These reels were mean't to be fished -- so if a part was from a couple of years or a decade ago -- as long as it was up to the quality control standards -- and would fit -- it was used.

Otto and company were smart folks -- as well as thrifty -- all good traits.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 05, 2015, 05:42:03 PM
 The very first senator in 1936 was the 9/0 and its came from a long beach 60, just enlarged, but basically same exact design with outer rings added. Those first set of plates were internal drags based on the long beach design, then 1937 the 12/0 was introduced and had external drags from the get go, as did all the other senators to follow.....so going from all the talk about how thrifty penn was, it makes sense that they did want to upgrade the 9/0 to external drags, but would delay that upgrade simply to get the use out of those expensive cavity molds. They obviously did eventually make a 1st gen 9/0 cavity mold with outer drag access, but I believe that few of that configuration ever left the factory, as less than a handful have been found out of literally thousands of 1st gen 9/0's produced.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 05, 2015, 09:40:31 PM
I am of the opinion that pre-war Penn was in constant transition. Using the catalog like a Law Book, gets everyone into trouble. There are tells everywhere in the catalogs that refer to how things were and when you get into it, you find many of those tells become a points of confusion.

Case in point:

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In 1940 they now refer to the external drags as "The Senator Star Drag"  they also had images of 7 senators, in 1938 & 39 they only had 3. They images of the 9/0 & 4/0 now show the external drags.
                        This was a great find Brian. I never noticed this before; but, you are correct. It would seem that Penn had these illustrations drawn depicting the 4/0 and 9/0 as external drag reels.
                        The Penn catalogs also show first generation reels to continue in production until 1948. We know that is not true, at least with the larger models; but, it may be partially true with some of the smaller models. I have owned many 9/0 first gen reels. It seem they are one of the easiest first gen models to find. I have never had one with external drags. I have also owned at least three first gen 4/0's and none of them have external drags. I find the 4/0's much harder to find than the 9/0's.

Since I have started my studies of vintage Penn reels, the one consistent word is confusion. As we move through each and every little piece of information spread out of 80 years of unregulated catalog publishing, we seem to be always refuting something that was irrefutable the month before. That must be what makes this hobby so much fun, as soon as we think we have it all figured out, we have to start over!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 06, 2015, 09:04:43 AM
 Mike, you are too hard on yourself. Your book is a history book, and the historical progression of penn reels is what your book is about and I think you did a fantastic job of accomplishing that task. Every history book ever written needs some editing from tidbits of skewed data or facts. A lot of conclusions may come from the most "logical" answer, which leaves the door open for alternative avenues.

  As far as the illustrations in catalogs and advertisements..... we are back onto the subject of the "thrifty" side of Penn. The original illustrations from mid 30's thru early 40's were used well into the late 50's in advertisements, hardware catalogs, and penn catalogs, and as new model were introduced, those illustrations would be mingled right in with old illustrations ... Not likely the average penn buyer would notice that his reel had 1 o'clock shifter, but was illustrated as 11 o'clock in the catalog, and my bet is Penn saw it the same way. I am with Brian on the changeover time frame, but I reserve the right to flip flop at any given moment. ;D ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 06, 2015, 03:26:22 PM
Thanks Ted.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 18, 2015, 10:18:33 AM
Thanks Ted.




   Perhaps we could get Brian P to post pics of the early boxed 2nd gen 9/0 rod and reel he stumbled upon. The catalog #9 that came with it confirms 2nd gen changeover happened prior to the war. I believe it all came from original owner.

   


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 18, 2015, 11:50:05 AM
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   Perhaps we could get Brian P to post pics of the early boxed 2nd gen 9/0 rod and reel he stumbled upon. The catalog #9 that came with it confirms 2nd gen changeover happened prior to the war. I believe it all came from original owner.

Ted,

You live closer to Brian than I do. I think you should go visit him and have a photo shoot. Then post the pictures. That would be fun.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 18, 2015, 12:01:55 PM
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   Perhaps we could get Brian P to post pics of the early boxed 2nd gen 9/0 rod and reel he stumbled upon. The catalog #9 that came with it confirms 2nd gen changeover happened prior to the war. I believe it all came from original owner.

Ted,

You live closer to Brian than I do. I think you should go visit him and have a photo shoot. Then post the pictures. That would be fun.


   Fun for who ??..... sorry my friend but My helicopter is in for service at the moment and I only drive south to fish, and anyone who voluntarily drives the I-5 corridor from Seattle thru Olympia needs to see a shrink. Thus the helicopter. ;D Wink Wink  ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on December 18, 2015, 12:48:53 PM
Wait a second

Brian already has this wonderful site...

http://myfishingreels.weebly.com

showcasing his collection.  Maybe an update here is in order?

I think Mike, Ted, Broadway Joe  ;)... I mean.. Dom, and friends might consider following suit.  I know that old OC photos sure could also use an update.  Just a wild suggestion...

I know setting these sites up and maintaining them can be alot of work.  

Sounds cheaper/more efficient then a helicopter ride though.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on December 18, 2015, 02:27:44 PM
  Ted, thanks for reminding me about this. I was going to post it, but things have been a little crazy around here.
  As Ten said it is a second generation Penn 9/0 with the #9 catalog making it 1941. Thanks to Al Stover, from ORCA, the rod has been identified as a Montague Big Game Single, from the same period. The set was in the fellows family since new. When I got it the reel was a mess and the box was in pieces. There are the before and after photos. The rod is the top one.
   (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_4917_zps3jptdelc.jpg)
   (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_4921_zpsuojeueiu.jpg)
   (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_4931_zpspanhmoxf.jpg)
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Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 18, 2015, 03:14:05 PM


 Thanks for taking the time to post that up Brian. You did great legwork and have confirmed a moment in time, written in stone, that may not seem very important to most, but to me it says what many suspected all along. 1st gen 9/0 transformed to gen2 prior to the war, as so did the rest of the senator models, which explains why 1st gen senators are so hard to find, except 1st gen 9/0 which is more common but still not easy to find.


   The reel cleaned up very nice Brian, and the rod is a great all original era piece as well. Congrats on the great find, and glad you somehow found room to squeeze one more special reel and big game rod in your display....time to update your website my friend !! lol


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on December 18, 2015, 03:31:54 PM
I see Ted is not the only miracle worker here.  Great find! & a great job on the restoration.

Transition may have happened a bit earlier on in some of these Senators.  I suspect, that the molds themselves were likely produced (and available or utilized ) earlier then all of the reels exiting the factory for that particular year may suggest.

The catalogs and advertisements often depict older products, then what are actally being produced, or exiting the factory for that given time period.  We know that most printed materials require some time to compile, and also its easier (and more cost-effective) to continue using an older illustration, or ad then to update everything to match what will be getting produced & released out of the factory when the catalogs/advertisements are active.  

It seems to me that models that were produced, and moved (/sold) during a given production period (which may or may not have lined up with a calender or given catalog version), would likely be the first to use upgraded parts/design features.  While those that had been overproduced (in whole or part), would continue to leave the factory in older style config (or with some older style parts) until the stocks were used up.  An obvious case in point in the use of older style common parts, uch as handles, on later (especially smaller, cheaper, larger production run) model reels.

It's not surprising that the higher cost models that were produced, shipped and sold in lower quantities tend to show more continuity with regards to changing features for a given production run, or even with respect to catalog and advertising depictions/illustrations.  It's the other more popular/larger production run reels (such as the LongBeach, and even the 9/0) that can confuse and baffle with regards to when exactly they left the factory, or were sold for that matter.

Interesting stuff, and it's true that there are not always hard and fast rules here.

Just some thoughts based on what I have gleaned from the hard work other collectors have put into this facinating topic.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 18, 2015, 04:26:16 PM
Brian,

Great reel, super restoration. I was surprised how nice the reel came out. I absolutely love the rod, but you know that.

At this point in time, we have hashed over the production times of these reels so many times that I have to assume that the first and second generation build styles were, for some unknown amount time, leaving the factory at the same time period, both pre and post WW II.

This brings to mind, how little was known about Penn reels just 8 or 10 years ago. I remember having discussions with people about the doubt of the existence of the 1933 Sea Ford because it was not in the catalog and also absolutely no one knew anything about First Generation build styles of Senators. Ray and I kept that secret for a very long time. We have come a long way in a short time.

Now Brian, will you please help me find a First Gen 16/0 before all these Tani guys jump on it! ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on December 18, 2015, 08:21:15 PM
Mike,

I sent the American Pickers a request for one approx a year ago....No answer.

Ray


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on December 18, 2015, 09:04:36 PM
Did you see that episode where they picked the old bait and tackle shop, and they walked right past all the old rods and reels without so much as a word? 

I was thinking I would ask them to try to find one of those Penn dealer reel displays.  Maybe we should wait and see if they come through on Mike's 16/0 first :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on December 19, 2015, 11:15:43 AM
   Thanks for the compliments, but I can't take all the credit. A lot goes to the original owner. Most of what you saw on the before photo was dried out grease. You can see in the photo that the grease and oil tubes have been used a lot. I think that most of went on the outside of the reel. The reel does not look like it was used more than a couple of times, inside is like new.
  Ted,
      Believe it or not, I still have room on the Penn shelves for a few more reels. On the rest of the shelves I've reached a point where if I add a reel something else has to go.
   (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/PW%20002_zps8uvegii5.jpg)
  John,
      There are a number theories as to when Penn went to second generation Senators. I will try to explain my, which is
  based on catalogs, photos, adds and reels in my collection. I have relied more on the written description in the catalogs. Something I don't get is why Penn changed the photo for the Sea Hawk in 1937 and 1938 to show the changes in the reel but not for the Senators.
      We know that the 16/0 was made in second generation in 1940 by the photo on the back cover of the 1941 catalog. Now when it was available to the public we don't know.
     (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_4957_zpsbfmejn0w.jpg)

 Next there is the March 1942 add showing the second generation 16/0. If you look at the add you will see that they show the 16/0 reel with large 16/0 drags. The first generation and early second generation 16/0 reels had the same drags as the 12/0.
  
      (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/coin/close%20up%201942%20add_zpsbhwadhjs.jpg)
      (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/coin/1940-41%2016-0%20PENN%20015_zpsav9fw1dw.jpg)
   The 9/0 went to second generation in 1941. The early reels did not have the forward rod brace lugs as the were using their old rings that did not have the cut outs. As you and others have said they did not throw out good parts. I feel that this was the case with a lot of parts that could be used on either generation, but not the plates. They knew in advance that they were going to the second generation reels so they only made enough plates to get them though the current year. Another thing we need to keep in mind. It is my understanding that Penn was going to 7 O'clock for better leverage, not for looks.
        (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/coin/100_4908_zpsbd09061z.jpg)
     Now if you look at the years that each of the other Senators made prior to 1941, the price of the different ones and lack of first generation reels for a number of models. Based on all of this, by 1941 or 1942 Penn was making nothing bur second generation reels. If the first generations reels were still being made after WW11 there would be a lot more of them.
    As Mike posted " At this point in time, we have hashed over the production times of these reels so many times that I have to assume that the first and second generation build styles were, for some unknown amount time, leaving the factory at the same time period, both pre and post WW II.

This brings to mind, how little was known about Penn reels just 8 or 10 years ago. I remember having discussions with people about the doubt of the existence of the 1933 Sea Ford because it was not in the catalog and also absolutely no one knew anything about First Generation build styles of Senators. Ray and I kept that secret for a very long time. We have come a long way in a short time."
     I feel that if first generation reels were made after WW11 this would not have been the case.
   I hope all this makes sense, I'm not a writer like Mike.
    Mike,
      You will be the first to know if I have a lead on first generation 16/0.    
  


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 19, 2015, 02:15:46 PM


   Well said Brian. Most of what you just said is backed up by documentation, the rest is a VERY LOGICAL conclusion based on the facts. Many people go to prison for life on less conclusive information. I'd say the jury is no longer out on this verdict.

   Thanks for posting your reasoning Brian, and always waiting for whats next from good old Oregon !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 19, 2015, 03:24:56 PM
Brian,

Your reasoning is totally logical. I do not believe we need proof to learn anything from this time forward, I suspect that proof would only be used for verification at this point.

I believe you should have your insurance guy write a high end policy for your collection. You have amassed a phenomenal amount of scarce reels  :o :o

All the Best,

Mike C.

PS-----Thanks for the thoughts in terms of letting me know about a 1st gen 16/0, if one crosses your path. I do not believe I could ever afford to buy one if it went public. These new collectors are driving the prices nuts. Have you been watching the Model F this week, it is almost $1400 with 2 days left and has not reached the reserve. The pockets are getting deeper!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on December 19, 2015, 03:48:07 PM
  Mike,
      Prices are getting nuts. However, as I think we all know, it's your skill as an author that put them there.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 19, 2015, 09:36:11 PM
Quote
Mike,
      Prices are getting nuts. However, as I think we all know, it's your skill as an author that put them there.

Thanks, I still cannot get used to feeling that. I am a mechanic.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on December 20, 2015, 04:08:50 AM
You did a beautiful job on that 9/0 and the box as well, Brian. Thanks for sharing it with us.
I remember one of those lighthouse boxes disintegrated before my eyes, as I was trying to put it back together :-\...excellent work!

Sal


Did you see that episode where they picked the old bait and tackle shop, and they walked right past all the old rods and reels without so much as a word? 

I was thinking I would ask them to try to find one of those Penn dealer reel displays.  Maybe we should wait and see if they come through on Mike's 16/0 first :)
Those two remind me of these two guys
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Laurel%20amp%20Hardy.png) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/Laurel%20amp%20Hardy.png.html)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on December 20, 2015, 06:27:40 AM
It is my understanding that Penn was going to 7 O'clock for better leverage, not for looks.
I've had PM exchanges with Mike about the reason for the changeover from 1st to 2nd gen Senators, and I suggested this same thing.... As the Senator line got larger Henze concluded (this is speculation) that as the reels got larger and the gear sleeve got farther from the angler cranking efficiency went down. His solution was to change the position of the crank so it was closer to the angler at the 7 o'clock position, which increased cranking efficiency - but he discovered this first on the 16/0, before many were made, and switched over early in production. I think it took the size of the 16/0 for him to find a need to change the design. Just speculation, but it makes logical sense.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 20, 2015, 11:03:58 AM
My favorite American Picker is Danielle, without her, the show is boring.............................


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Aiala on December 20, 2015, 11:26:00 AM
Did you see that episode where they picked the old bait and tackle shop, and they walked right past all the old rods and reels without so much as a word? 

No surprise; those two nerds would rather buy a rusted-out gumball machine stand than a cherry old Penn reel. (http://querytracker.net/forum/Smileys/default/crazy.gif)  ::)

~A~



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 20, 2015, 06:07:42 PM
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No surprise; those two nerds would rather buy a rusted-out gumball machine stand than a cherry old Penn reel.   Roll Eyes

Maybe it is me; but, I find it hard to believe two guys are driving all over the country in a big white van buying junk to resell and actually making a living at it. What I suspect is a really smart script writer has created a hot reality show and that is where the dollars really come from.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 23, 2015, 02:35:27 PM
  

   Here is a 1946/47 long beach 67 as found with era correct linen line. It fell outta the sky and hit me in the head outta nowhere. ;) ;)... I just dusted it off is all.   Not bad for $13 ;D ;D

   Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on December 23, 2015, 02:39:05 PM
Ted's "dusting" jobs are better than my full-blown restorations!

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 23, 2015, 03:14:26 PM
Did you see that episode where they picked the old bait and tackle shop, and they walked right past all the old rods and reels without so much as a word? 

No surprise; those two nerds would rather buy a rusted-out gumball machine stand than a cherry old Penn reel. (http://querytracker.net/forum/Smileys/default/crazy.gif)  ::)

~A~


:D :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on January 21, 2016, 08:51:43 PM
Ok New Era Math...1+1=700.....Finally won on an auction site that may rhyme with "GoodWillHunting" ::)...a Surfmaster 200 and JM 500..
(http://i.imgur.com/wIXIYVd.jpg)
Peeled off nearly 700 yds of mono from both reels...I swear I could hear the plastic spools groan as I peeled off full spools of mono..  :o
(http://i.imgur.com/TQlZrGM.jpg)
Opened both up to find a maroon spool that matched the side plates on the 500....and a badly chipped spool on the 200, but surprisingly neither spool was blown up under the mono....
(http://i.imgur.com/ZwltaA3.jpg)
But I did find something interesting on the 500...a square nut under the clamp post hex nut...but only one... ???
(http://i.imgur.com/vSbbhbH.jpg)
Well found steel main and pinion gears on both, and asbestos drags....gonna need a new spool for th 200, and debating whether to upgrade the 500 or leave as is....anyone have and idea on the 500 manufacture date?  Maroon side plates, maroon spool, steel gears, and amber (?) handle?....thanks in advance....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 21, 2016, 11:29:54 PM
That Jigmaster plate definitely looks old school. I Haven't seen one like it.
I would replace both those spools with aluminum or chrome brass at minimum.
Looks like a good score.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 22, 2016, 06:24:19 AM
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Well found steel main and pinion gears on both, and asbestos drags....gonna need a new spool for th 200, and debating whether to upgrade the 500 or leave as is....anyone have and idea on the 500 manufacture date?  Maroon side plates, maroon spool, steel gears, and amber (?) handle?....thanks in advance....Bill
Really impossible to date the reel to an exact year without the box; but, yours is definitely an early Jigmaster.

Here is the 1959 Catalog introduction of the Jigmaster:
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This is pretty much the reel you have pictured. Here is the reel from a 1959 box. Maroon with a white handle.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Jigmaster/DSC00009%20640%20x%20480_zpsn6qhb9vp.jpg)
And the tail plate side, pretty much your reel:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Jigmaster/DSC00013%20640%20x%20480_zpsavgaigkc.jpg)

If you put your reel in a 1959 box, you have a correct 1959 package. The Surfmaster is from the same vintage. But if you put those reels in a 1960 or 61 Blue box with metal corners, that could also be correct. But at least you have an early, first generation style reel. If you intend to use it, Then do as Daron says and upgrade the spool to a metal version. The plastic spools are OK, unless you plan on strong game fish. Those early lightweight spools were really meant for distance casting and will breakdown under heavy loads, especially with mono.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 23, 2016, 04:44:41 AM
I have replacement spools for those. Either plastic or old three piece.
I replace them with stainless or aluminum.
If your going to fish it, They are a chance I don't want to take.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on January 23, 2016, 09:30:45 AM
Thanks to all for the input.....nice additions to the growing family......Bill.....SH pm sent thanks brother...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 24, 2016, 04:25:23 PM
Picked up this JM 500 for $9.00, figured for the price at least I might get some parts from it, tore it down, vinegar bath and some chrome polish, and this workhorse has a new lease on life and ready to fish.  Brass main gear, steel pinion, and carbon fiber drags.  I debated on keeping the salt crust for steak seasoning.... ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/whsaeKp.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fq9vLas.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MeT4aas.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OmRdsRy.jpg)

All cleaned up next to a Live Bait Caster 259
(http://i.imgur.com/hCKQE6L.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on May 21, 2016, 10:07:04 PM
Beauty and the Beast......I got these two from a gentleman from Camino, CA, via an online classified, while talking to Curtis he told me is a cancer survivor with a double lung transplant. He looked good, said he can finally breath and is in the process of getting back into fly fishing, and stream trout fishing, but was sad to let this Penn Levelmatic go.  Just didn't fit into his fishing at this point, crap what kind of fishing is, after a double lung transplant  :o..after paying him for the nearly 100% condition 930, he opened the back of his truck and asked if there was anything else that caught my eye.  I rooted around an saw this 113 Senator (yes there were black plates under that dirt and dust) he wanted $30 and threw in the rod, which I will post in the Rods section later.  So I have the Beauty and the Beast, cant wait to open the Beast up.  I really don't want to risk any damage to the Beauty, but she's gonna get opened too, after the hands stop shaking from all the excitement.  I really wanted the 930, and getting the 113 was gravy, mashed potatoes, stuffing and pumpkin pie.  ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/RyBaHi2.jpg)
On a side note, the 113 has two really thick asbestos washers, steel gears, and a bent spool shaft....gonna have to figure out how to straighten a bent shaft on a cast bronze spool...... :(


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mhc on May 22, 2016, 05:03:09 AM
On a side note, the 113 has two really thick asbestos washers, steel gears, and a bent spool shaft....gonna have to figure out how to straighten a bent shaft on a cast bronze spool...... :(

You probably already know, but a long beach 67 stainless spool will fit, if you cant straighten the cast spool - or you could make a Grouper Special with a 66 spool if you have a YTS stand or frame.

Mike


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on May 22, 2016, 05:19:43 AM
Up to now I never had luck with bend spool shafts or warped spools on trying to get them straight again.

If you feel like wasting your time and give it a shot, go for it Bill.
If you are unlucky as I was, send me a PM and I'll get a new spool out to you... N/C .

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on May 22, 2016, 02:44:34 PM
Very kind of you Sal......pm sent, let me know what the shipping is and I'll get an envelope in the mail....just like the fellow pisanos do.... ;)....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on July 05, 2016, 11:53:17 AM

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Jigmaster/DSC00013%20640%20x%20480_zpsavgaigkc.jpg)


My 501 Jigmaster has this same tail plate. Didn't the 501 come out in '66? They must have used that plate for many years.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 05, 2016, 01:32:19 PM
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My 501 Jigmaster has this same tail plate. Didn't the 501 come out in '66? They must have used that plate for many years.

The 501 was introduced in 1965. Early models used the same side plate as the Jigmaster 500. As time went on the tail plates became blank and then stated Jigmaster with no model number. There are probably more variations than I am aware of. 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: George4741 on July 29, 2016, 08:39:03 PM
A Penn Leveline 350 and a Coronado:

(http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q523/rumbum01/1327c6cb-30b1-4ef2-89ef-84e3a53e9854_zpsfvhtn6io.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 29, 2016, 08:46:07 PM
Looking Good George.
Good to see you old Chap. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 29, 2016, 09:42:41 PM
Coronado's are always a great find. The last one was made in 1941.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on October 06, 2016, 02:10:27 PM
   Here's an early Long Beach 65 that I picked up as a gift for my brother. He has displays of old fishing tackle and likes the patina and character left on the items. This was intended to be an "as ya found it" piece, but after I received it I noticed the stand had been changed to a #30-66. This is not uncommon...lots of Long Beaches got this mod. The first photo shows the 66 stand was way shinier than the rest of the reel...just not a good look. :-\
   Then while pondering the stand problem I was fiddling with the reel and noticed the spool was way too wide. It seemed to be too far inside the rings on both sides...just looked wrong. I pulled out another LB65 spool and sure enough, it was nearly 1/8th inch shorter! :o
   Well, I decided this thing was going to be right, so I scoured fleabay for the right parts, with the right patina also. The other three pics show the reel with corrections. Would you believe I had to pay more for a crusty old stand than a shiny NOS one? All in all, I still have very little invested, and the reel is right.  8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 06, 2016, 03:43:07 PM
  Mo, you did that reel a great service by bringing it back to the way it was originally built. The non numbered 65 metal spool is tough to find in any condition. Trust me, I know. Just ask my alter ego "OCD"  :D :D

   Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on October 06, 2016, 04:56:21 PM
  Mo, you did that reel a great service by bringing it back to the way it was originally built. The non numbered 65 metal spool is tough to find in any condition. Trust me, I know. Just ask my alter ego "OCD"  :D :D

   Ted

I have to agree. That is a great looking reel just the way it is. Love that handgrip and tail plate.
Basto


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 06, 2016, 08:46:50 PM
mo,
Another great job my man. You have only been here a short time and some of your builds are just jaw dropping.
You deserve a promotion for your Ingenuity. You are now a Sensei Member ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on October 07, 2016, 05:51:53 AM
 Mo, you did that reel a great service by bringing it back to the way it was originally built.
Love that handgrip and tail plate.
You are now a Sensei Member

   Thanks Ted, and I'll have to agree, that old LB just looks happy now! :D As a bonus...I have a nice non-numbered #30-66 stand...but that spool is a mystery. Any idea what it might be? It's just a hair too wide for this LB. Basto, I'm going to post a better pic of the handle knob on the handle thread in the vintage forum. It's an interesting knob for sure...as it's translucent. Thanks Daron...I appreciate it very much! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 07, 2016, 10:39:46 AM
Mo, that is the correct spool. It appears to be as it should, looking at your pictures. It's just the way penn made em.


  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on October 07, 2016, 11:39:21 AM
    Here are pics of the spools, correct one is the shorter spool. Just remember that the top side(left side on second pic) of the spools is aligned, even if it looks like its not.  


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 07, 2016, 11:50:50 AM
Notice a smaller arbor on the wider spool, which makes it earlier version. No telling why it's a hair wider, but Penn never made any LB size reel that's just "a hair" wider. Perhaps a factory worker was sipping whiskey at work that day, who knows ??   :D :D

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on October 07, 2016, 12:20:09 PM
who knows ??   :D :D

   I agree...I'm wondering if it's even a Penn spool? :P  Also...I remember when working in a factory how quality control dropped off after a holiday party. :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on October 07, 2016, 08:55:28 PM
This is a great thread. I have three reels I'm to post up but I'll do them one at a time. Each one had an interesting feature that made me want it for my collection. First up is a Penn Senator 1/0. Everything works, it's smooth as silk and clicks strong. The thing that attracted me was the inner and outer rings. There is no chrome anywhere to be found. They have a beautiful patina that makes them look different than a typical small Senator. This is just how I found it. Any thoughts or observations?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on October 07, 2016, 09:11:42 PM
German Silver? Did you try to polish the rings.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on October 07, 2016, 09:24:07 PM
No I didn't try to polish them. The photos don't show it but they have a pretty polish already. I like the way it looks with the patina. Have you ever seen German silver turn like that?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 07, 2016, 09:36:10 PM
Mike,
That is one reel I don't have. A 1/0.
I'm with Rudy, something looks unusual about that patina.
I would leave it just like it is.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on October 07, 2016, 10:15:45 PM
No I didn't try to polish them. The photos don't show it but they have a pretty polish already. I like the way it looks with the patina. Have you ever seen German silver turn like that?
Yes, I've seen eating utensils made of German Silver get a similar patina when not used for quite a while.        Rudy


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on October 08, 2016, 01:08:30 AM
I think Rudy is right.  Sometimes german silver starts to looks like that.  It's as though extra copper was somehow drawn to the surface.  I don't know how it works, but it may have something to do with galvanic corrosion and being a substitutional alloy.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on October 08, 2016, 05:47:11 AM
Maybe they are German silver. The reel foot looks like gs as well but it didn't turn.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on October 08, 2016, 06:19:25 AM
Here is reel #2. It's a Silver Beach. The first thing that drew my attention is of course the handle. There isn't any makers marks but it looks good to me. Another thing about this one I like is the knurled cross bar. Lastly the line capacities stamped on the bottom of the foot. Just like I found it 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 08, 2016, 08:04:54 AM
It is a Silver Beach--Model 97.......... The handle came from Frankenstein's Castle at the end of a Friday Afternoon after a Wild Shop Party. :-\


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 08, 2016, 09:42:32 AM
GM good looking Silver Beach.....maybe you can post a handle pictur in the Handles section of Vintage Penn section.....I have a couple old aftermarket handles I'll post later.....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on October 08, 2016, 08:12:04 PM
Here's reel number 3 in this series. It is a pristine Mariner 49A. The attraction here was the condition and these reels are tough to come by. It even had the box and the decal is still on the spool. I just wiped the dust off it and left it like I found it 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 08, 2016, 09:25:29 PM
Quote
Here's reel number 3 in this series. It is a pristine Mariner 49A. The attraction here was the condition and these reels are tough to come by. It even had the box and the decal is still on the spool. I just wiped the dust off it and left it like I found it 

Great find Mike. The history of these models is great! Most definitely a shelfie!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 08, 2016, 10:18:12 PM
Oh Man! :o
You have been holding out on me Mike.
That is one fine reel My Man. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on October 09, 2016, 02:29:28 AM
Great find Mike. The history of these models is great! Most definitely a shelfie!

I would never have known they even existed if it weren't for your books. I was tempted to fish it and add it to my stories but it's just too nice. Maybe when I found an old beater at a garage sale I'll fish that one.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on October 09, 2016, 05:47:39 AM
   Oh man...you guys are doin' it again...now I gotta have a Mariner too!! ;D Great reel Maudu.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on October 13, 2016, 03:05:02 PM
well I never found if the reels have to be vintage or not to be on this thread, but I want to play with my recently Penn reel found on a yard sale, cheap as chips.

nothing that a little TLC dont fix


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 13, 2016, 08:07:45 PM
well I never found if the reels have to be vintage or not to be on this thread, but I want to play with my recently Penn reel found on a yard sale, cheap as chips.

nothing that a little TLC dont fix




  Great find. That reel was begging for someone like you to take it home and give it the AT treatment !!  8) 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 13, 2016, 09:13:21 PM
You keep us posted on the progress of that Baja Steelfish.
I want to see the "Cheap as Chips" reel when she is ready to roll.
This is how I like to find them.
114H Anniversary Edition, 114H Black side plate model and a 9/0 Transition reel. All finds from last week.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on October 14, 2016, 08:32:35 AM
You keep us posted on the progress of that Baja Steelfish.
I want to see the "Cheap as Chips" reel when she is ready to roll.
This is how I like to find them.
114H Anniversary Edition, 114H Black side plate model and a 9/0 Transition reel. All finds from last week.

as soon as I gave the AT treatment I will post some pics of the reel


nice finds, those reels look great


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on October 18, 2016, 11:29:56 AM
You keep us posted on the progress of that Baja Steelfish.
I want to see the "Cheap as Chips" reel when she is ready to roll.

well the reel have been AlanTanized and its ready to rumble

sorry for the dark pictures, they were taken on my cell phone last night and it doesnt take good pictures on low light, the SS rings, handle and other SS goodies have a really good shine again.

I spend more taking my family to the burguers than what I paid for this reel, dang, that feels just great!!
that dont happend very often to me, so I enjoy moments like this one.

 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Big Tim on October 18, 2016, 11:39:35 AM
Great reels guys, love the Baja Special.

Tim

This ones not very old but it came out of the Crown Royal bag looking reel nice for sitting nearly 20 years  ;D

(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx76/fresnotim/DSC00669_zpshp5fxkew.jpg) (http://s743.photobucket.com/user/fresnotim/media/DSC00669_zpshp5fxkew.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 19, 2016, 05:03:05 PM
So on the way home from work today, I stopped by a pawn shop in downtown Sacramento, really just to look around  ::), and spy this rod and reel, I could see it was a cradle reel and what I though was a run of the mill Deep Sea 49, I nearly lost my balance lunging for the set up, and with trembling knees saw it was a Nep-Tuna, knowing little, but enough to know the Nep-Tuna is one of Mike Cacioppo's (Penn Chronology) side hobbies, so it was good enough for me   :D  I looked at the price tag expecting to see $100 or more but found the tag to read $29.00  :o  Grabbing it tightly, walked up to the counter and asked if he would take $25  8)  The clerk said we just listed it on Craigslist for $25   :D  I tried to get a little more because it had 3 of 5 eyes on the Key Lime Pie colored Johnny Walker rod broken....but he wouldnt budge   >:(  I i bit the bullet and dropped a whopping $27.50 for the Nep-Tuna and what turned out to be a Master Mariner 349HC....maybe we should start a new topic for the cradle reels, I know Dom has one in progress and Mike has a full rack, but then again it might take the cradle reel market and send to the rafters.....Bill  Plus Im gonna have a lot of questions on restoring this one.  ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/0aXaeM8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4ZK5QOz.jpg?1)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on October 19, 2016, 06:32:48 PM
 Terrific At Rescuing Fishing Units ,

You THIEF  !   ;D   You won't be able to sleep tonight.

Ray


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Dominick on October 19, 2016, 07:23:13 PM
Great find Bill.  I solved my twisting by drilling and tapping a screw through the cradle and rod. I am taking it with me to cabo next week.  It has a 9/0 on it and I left it stock.  I'll see how it works and report the way it worked when I post my fishing report.  Dominick


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 19, 2016, 07:55:53 PM
Thats good news Dom and good luck in Cabo make us proud or at least jealous  ;D

Ray yes Im not gonna sleep very good tonight....kinda like sleeping Christmas Eve after opening a present.... ::) but what is scary is the pawn shop wanted $29, and that would have made them a profit and dropped it to $25 and still expected to make a profit.....wonder what they payed for it  :'( 

But did take the 349 apart and so far the shopping list will be CF drags to make a 5 stack, a dog because the previous owner cut off the tip so it will not disengage with the lever, one side plate screw which broke at the head and needed a dremel to grind off the broken screw slot and an inner tail plate ring which has a small crack...with the exception of the broken screw this old girl will still catch fish.....I did notice the Nep-Tuna frame was drilled for either a 349 or 49 which opens some possibilities, but expect this frame to do best with the 349......Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on October 20, 2016, 12:58:36 AM
What a great find Bill. Talk about being in the right place at the right time! Nothing cooler than a cradle reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 20, 2016, 01:13:00 AM
Great Find Bill! :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 20, 2016, 06:22:16 AM
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Grabbing it tightly, walked up to the counter and asked if he would take $25  Cool 

I almost fell of my chair when I read that you were trying to negotiate $4.00 off a $29.00 price tag that was attached to a item that has the potential to sell at $250.00 plus. ;D You are a better man than me. I would have paid that $29.00 and ran out of the store and not slowed down until I got home. Then I would have checked to see if I was being followed by the Police.

Great deal Bill. The first thing you should check is if the cradle is drilled out for a 349 originally. Most that I have found with 349's mounted are converted from an original Penn 49 mount.

What you found was what I feel is the first release models. They were not anodized and the rod tip ferrule was a friction lock rather than a threaded locking ferrule.

Very hard to find original units with the rod tip. I think I would clean it and restore the rod tip for display and make a second tip if you want to use it.

Great find!!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 20, 2016, 06:25:07 AM
Quote
I'll see how it works and report the way it worked when I post my fishing report.  Dominick

I will be looking forward to that report.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on October 20, 2016, 06:44:38 AM
Nice find, Bill!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on October 20, 2016, 07:59:31 AM

... I would have paid that $29.00 and ran out of the store and not slowed down until I got home. Then I would have checked to see if I was being followed by the Police.

hahaha, I felt the same way when I found my newest Baja Special on an old milk crate on a yard-sale, I didnt even tried to negociated a bit or buy anything else, just took it, paid for it a drove home, then at home I started to yell, YEES!! DAAANMM!!


by the way, super great find, love the how unique is that cradle rod


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 20, 2016, 09:15:28 AM
Thanks for the comments guys....I did check the rear view mirror a couple times just to make sure the police went following me  ;D 

Mike I believe you are correct this was originally a 49 package, when I removed the 349 the frame looked like Swiss Cheese, with at least two screw patterns.  I have a 49 that I will try to match up. 

I will give a full report and move this discussion to the fishing poles section this weekend....Now how do I explain this to the wife..... ???   Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on October 20, 2016, 10:29:43 AM
Bill, I don't think $25 is going to be to hard to explain to the wife. If it is send it to me, I don't have a wife to explain to for anything I buy.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Big Tim on October 20, 2016, 10:57:08 AM
Bill, if you really think your going to get into trouble with the wife I'll give ya $50 so you can show her a profit  ;D Nice find.

Tim


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on October 20, 2016, 11:12:28 AM
sometimes the problem is not the $25 cost but the idea to Bring another of those ugly, smelly and old rods (or reel) to the house.
so, Im with Bill... good luck buddy.

PS: normally when this happens I just tell the wife that its a rod or reel that was brough to me to fix it, few days later the mistery owner dont want to fix it and just want the half of what he paid for it, then Im almost obligated to take it.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on October 20, 2016, 05:38:30 PM
You did good Bill.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 21, 2016, 05:35:10 PM
I can't top Bill's Find, but am Happy with this 9500ss with Brass main for a Benjamin. ;)
The 430ss is just for comparison, but another one of my favorite spinners.
Another 114H Blackie in the background.
Life is Good. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on October 21, 2016, 07:20:54 PM
That 950 is awesome. Put a Breakaway Cannon on that thing and with the right rod you you could throw some serious shark bait.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 21, 2016, 07:49:08 PM
Cool bean brother.....I need to start looking for s spinner now  :o  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 07, 2016, 05:06:05 PM
Picked up these two on my favorite charity auction site, a Seaboy 85 with mottled plates and a Peer 209.....gonna have to blame Mo for the 209 purchase...he has been doing some amazing things with the 209 so had to get one  :D......Bill

Before
(http://i.imgur.com/eLbdBfV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nKpn4pv.jpg)

After
(http://i.imgur.com/OqYqjDG.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on December 07, 2016, 06:30:19 PM
Pretty work Bill. I always like a 209 steal. I have one going now.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 07, 2016, 07:33:46 PM
Cool beans brother......hope it comes through.....I was not impressed with the 209 until Mo spilled the beans....now glad I have one.....gonna add it to the fishing quiver....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on December 08, 2016, 05:31:27 AM
   That 209 cleaned up beautifully Bill! Mine is a dead ringer for yours...except for the brushed spool...anyone know if it's stainless?



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on December 08, 2016, 05:43:41 AM
   That 209 cleaned up beautifully Bill! Mine is a dead ringer for yours...except for the brushed spool...anyone know if it's stainless?



I believe so, making it a 209M. Also check the seat designation for reference, what does it say? the 9's had two different seats, an "S" being the heavier saltwater stand.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on December 08, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
I believe so, making it a 209M. Also check the seat designation for reference, what does it say?

   The stand on mine is stamped 30-209F...I'm figurin' that's "specially designed" for freshwater. ;) :D :P Bill's looks like the "S" stand.

   The cool part is that 209 is actually "just as I found it"...one of the few Penn reels I haven't made some kind of mark on. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on December 08, 2016, 10:08:21 AM
Yes, it is SS --

You can tell by the spool brush appearance, the contrast between the rings and spool, plus the weight of the spool.

Great job on that 209.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 08, 2016, 07:19:32 PM
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 The stand on mine is stamped 30-209F...I'm figurin' that's "specially designed" for freshwater. Wink Cheesy Tongue Bill's looks like the "S" stand.

The differences between the fresh and saltwater stands on the Penn Levelwind reels is consistent to them all.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Level%20Wind%20Reels/Levelwind%20fresh%20and%20saltwater%20stand%20differences%20539%20x%20404_zps9kxljnoo.jpg)
The stand on the left is a "S" designated saltwater stand. The stand on the right will have an "F" added to the model number meaning freshwater stand. This stand identification will also bleed over to the Model 180, which is the reel used as an example on the left.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 08, 2016, 08:14:55 PM
This one has a salt water stand, however it's a 30-66 stand....maybe a Frankenreel  ???  Now we know the 66 frame will fit.....Bill
(http://i.imgur.com/rWGiR6O.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on December 09, 2016, 06:51:50 AM
This one has a salt water stand, however it's a 30-66 stand....maybe a Frankenreel  ??? 

   Oh no Bill...it's no frankenreel...the 209 and 309 both used that 30-66 stand. Even the 210 used it. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 09, 2016, 07:28:56 AM
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This one has a salt water stand, however it's a 30-66 stand....maybe a Frankenreel  Huh? 


   Oh no Bill...it's no frankenreel...the 209 and 309 both used that 30-66 stand. Even the 210 used it. Cool

Yup. simply another example of the super interchangeability of Penn Parts............... :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on January 08, 2017, 09:38:16 PM
? What's the difference in the early seahawks and the 1937,,3 post.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 08, 2017, 10:05:57 PM
Good and complicated question. Off the top of my head.

The 1933 is a 3 post reel with a pull out handle for free spool control.

The 1934, 35 & 36 are four post reels with the pull out handle for free spool control.

The 1937 is a three post reel with a free spool lever.

1938, 39 & 40 were four post reels with free spool levers.

The 1941 & 42 was a small 150 yard reel, different side plate design with four posts and a free spool lever.

After the war, the Sea Hawk was discontinued, It returned around 1959 as the Sea Hawk 77, which was a little kids type cheap reel that never should have had the Sea Hawk name.

Hope that helps.........


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on January 08, 2017, 10:48:31 PM
This has a waffle ,,but I seen one with a hersey kiss


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 09, 2017, 06:44:24 PM
The reel you pictured is a 1937 Sea Hawk. If you find one with a Hershey Kiss type clicker button on the tail plate, you have found a reel that someone changed the tail plate on. The 1937 model should have a waffle clicker button, a plain tail (no picture engraving) and a drilled spool (no line pin).


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on January 09, 2017, 06:52:30 PM
Thanks for the information this one is correct  :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 09, 2017, 06:58:56 PM
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Thanks for the information this one is correct  Smiley

Glad to help.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 23, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
Early 50's 2/0.  Saw it on eBay last week and had to grab it knowing there was a good chance it could get fished if someone that didn't know better had bought it.

  All I did was remove the line and some old grimy grease and give it a quick wipe-down with my magic bling cloth. It is 100% original inside and out. -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: BryanC on January 23, 2017, 05:39:16 PM
Nice find!  The reel looks brand new. I love the handle knob!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on January 23, 2017, 07:52:26 PM
A good friend of mine who has a beautiful collection of big game reels found a real jewel the other day when looking at a collection he wanted to buy. Most of the reels were kept in the house high and dry but a few were in the garage on shelves most of them corroded and dirty. I guess some had been there 40 years or more and even worse the garage was less than a mile from the ocean so salt was a factor !!! To you serious Penn collectors you will know it right away !! First two pics are how it was found then two after it was cleaned !!!  What a beauty !!!  I will let Mike answer any questions he knows more about Penn's than I ever will !!  It is a 16/0  enjoy !!   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on January 23, 2017, 07:58:36 PM
Gorgeous and as scarce a Penn reel as you will find.

I bet Mike C has already made you an offer on this one.

That really cleaned up nicely too.  That may be the nicest first gen 16/0 known to collectors at this time (don't let Brian P. know I suggested this though).

Thanks for sharing this gem!

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on January 23, 2017, 08:04:14 PM
 The reel isn't mine I wish it was !  Brian and Mike have already seen it. It did clean up nice what a find !!  John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on January 23, 2017, 08:16:30 PM
That's beautiful. Do not underestimate John's abilities when it comes to cleaning up an old reel. He's one of the magicians.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on January 23, 2017, 08:19:08 PM
Not my reel I didn't clean it either just drooled over it !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on January 23, 2017, 09:14:07 PM
Regardless I still stand by what I said


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on January 23, 2017, 09:35:00 PM
Early 50's 2/0.  Saw it on eBay last week and had to grab it knowing there was a good chance it could get fished if someone that didn't know better had bought it.

  All I did was remove the line and some old grimy grease and give it a quick wipe-down with my magic bling cloth. It is 100% original inside and out. -Ted

My favourite PENN. I do have a 2/0, but mine is actually a narrowed 3/0. Mine has 3/0 on the head plate. That one looks perfect. Nice find!
cheers
Basto


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on January 23, 2017, 09:48:43 PM
Post a pic basto. I'd like to see a narrowed 3/0


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on January 23, 2017, 10:33:57 PM
Hi Maudu

This is my narrowed 3/0

(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/20%20senator_zps544gewpr.jpg)

Basto


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 23, 2017, 10:49:46 PM
Solid reel basto. The 2/0 and 3/0 sideplates are identical other than the # in the logo.

 The 2/0 has always been my favorite senator.

 - Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 23, 2017, 10:53:15 PM
The reel isn't mine I wish it was !  Brian and Mike have already seen it. It did clean up nice what a find !!  John

 That's a beauty !!  I believe that makes (4) first gen 16/0 known to exist.  Mega rare !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on January 24, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
Nice looking reel basto. Looks ready to go battle


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on January 24, 2017, 08:44:30 AM
Hi Maudu

This is my narrowed 3/0

(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/20%20senator_zps544gewpr.jpg)

Basto

beautiful reel, I thought the only way to narrowing a 3/0 was with a tib kit (frame and spool)
can you tell me which spool and which posts did you used on yout narrow convertion please?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 24, 2017, 10:10:32 AM
It looks like Basto narrowed his 3/0 down to a 2/0 using basic Penn parts.

Another way to narrow a 3/0 is, 99 seat, 65 spool and posts. That gives you an in between size 2.5/0 senator.

 Here is a shot of 3/0, 2.5/0, and 2/0.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on January 24, 2017, 12:16:44 PM
Hi Steelfish

I narrowed mine with an alloy spool from Scotts, but I think they have discontinued them now.....some posts from Scotts and found a place in Australia that had a 2/0 stand. Took a long time to find a stand.
Basto


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on January 24, 2017, 12:46:18 PM
John, tell your friend, Welcome to the club... that makes #4.
Thats one heck of a rare find... I paid handsomely! ::)
Ted, do you have any reels that don't blind us? What a beauty!
Thanks
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 24, 2017, 10:11:16 PM
Quote
A good friend of mine who has a beautiful collection of big game reels found a real jewel the other day when looking at a collection he wanted to buy. Most of the reels were kept in the house high and dry but a few were in the garage on shelves most of them corroded and dirty. I guess some had been there 40 years or more and even worse the garage was less than a mile from the ocean so salt was a factor !!! To you serious Penn collectors you will know it right away !! First two pics are how it was found then two after it was cleaned !!!  What a beauty !!!  I will let Mike answer any questions he knows more about Penn's than I ever will !!  It is a 16/0  enjoy !!   John Taylor

Yes John, that is #4 and #4 is a Number One in condition. It is not for sale, the owner has many very special reels and loves his collection deeply, so this reel is going on the shelf and I am on the lookout for #5. Sometimes I feel the search is more fun that the ownership................<:O)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: coastal_dan on January 25, 2017, 05:18:09 AM
Yes John, that is #4 and #4 is a Number One in condition. It is not for sale, the owner has many very special reels and loves his collection deeply, so this reel is going on the shelf and I am on the lookout for #5. Sometimes I feel the search is more fun that the ownership................<:O)

Truth! ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on January 25, 2017, 08:22:19 PM
I agree with that...the hunt is sometimes better than the catch..... ;D   Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on January 26, 2017, 08:58:00 AM
It looks like Basto narrowed his 3/0 down to a 2/0 using basic Penn parts.

Another way to narrow a 3/0 is, 99 seat, 65 spool and posts. That gives you an in between size 2.5/0 senator.

 Here is a shot of 3/0, 2.5/0, and 2/0.

thanks Ted, that will make my 3/0 a nice project 2.5/0 or 2/0 would be cool



Hi Steelfish

I narrowed mine with an alloy spool from Scotts, but I think they have discontinued them now.....some posts from Scotts and found a place in Australia that had a 2/0 stand. Took a long time to find a stand.
Basto

thanks buddy, I will see what I can find and then start the real search for the missing and hard to find parts


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 26, 2017, 11:13:25 AM
It looks like Basto narrowed his 3/0 down to a 2/0 using basic Penn parts.

Another way to narrow a 3/0 is, 99 seat, 65 spool and posts. That gives you an in between size 2.5/0 senator.

 Here is a shot of 3/0, 2.5/0, and 2/0.

thanks Ted, that will make my 3/0 a nice project 2.5/0 or 2/0 would be cool



Hi Steelfish

I narrowed mine with an alloy spool from Scotts, but I think they have discontinued them now.....some posts from Scotts and found a place in Australia that had a 2/0 stand. Took a long time to find a stand.
Basto

thanks buddy, I will see what I can find and then start the real search for the missing and hard to find parts


  What parts do you need ?? We probably have them here on the forum, so don't wander too far on your parts search.

  -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 16, 2017, 09:01:14 PM
Picked up a piece of history.....a Penn 249....not a very sexy reel, pure knuckle buster...no anti reverse, no drags, plastic spool, fresh water stand stamped 200yds #15.....as simple of a reel as Penn could make, this is a clean example of a non-numbered reel (Wooohooo my second non-numbered reel!!!). But the surprise was the non-insulated copper wire this was spooled with and surprisingly not corroded ....I seem to remember a post where the author spoke of the Army using them to spool communication wire....maybe you could speak up again.....Bill
(http://i.imgur.com/RdK2gHR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rKUiDf4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/maUZ5m5.jpg)

Ohh yeah, my ebay coffee can 149 showed up too and all the parts are there....wooohooo ;D ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on February 16, 2017, 10:48:31 PM
Cool reel. 

I have one with a waffle clicker, but no yardage-stamped stand.

Not sure about the wire?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 17, 2017, 04:46:15 PM
I just picked this reel up today and at first glance it appeared to be a first gen but being new to vintage hoping someone can confirm or deny. Thanks


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on February 17, 2017, 04:56:12 PM
Appears to be late 40s/pre1950/post 42.  No part numbers second gen. gearbox, handle arm counterbalance style.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 17, 2017, 05:04:34 PM
Darn it. lol

I still like the reel but was wanting a first gen.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on February 17, 2017, 05:40:09 PM

 Nothing to be upset about. That is a great find and in superb condition. Pre-1950 4/0's are not easy to find in any condition. -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 17, 2017, 06:12:39 PM
Thanks Ted. It is in pretty good shape, even has fresh mono on it. Probably been fished at least off and on but just probably well taken care of. Im always amazed the age of these reels and condition they are in.

 I did pick up this other one and it came with a box. It has the old style line and swivel. Heres a pic


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 17, 2017, 07:35:49 PM
Reel is in good shape, too bad the price was torn off the box label...but clues are still there....part numbers post 1950, postal code not zip code pre 1963.... but have to figure in Penn would have used all the boxes and labels.  Cool buy brother...Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on February 17, 2017, 07:53:06 PM

 I like the smooth side Delmar and yours has no rivets for the clicker ring. A very clean look. Most I've seen have the rivets in the tailplate


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on February 17, 2017, 11:38:18 PM
That green Ashaway braided nylon on the Delmar was used into the late 60's.  The snap swivel looks more like mid 1950's.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on February 18, 2017, 04:52:56 AM
I came across a Box label that is almost a perfect match except it said 250 yds of No.9 instead of just 250 yds. and the price was $8.50 . If you check the price with the catalogs it would put you very close.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 18, 2017, 04:14:13 PM
I came across a Box label that is almost a perfect match except it said 250 yds of No.9 instead of just 250 yds. and the price was $8.50 . If you check the price with the catalogs it would put you very close.

Appreciate the info, I actually just ordered a price guide and some catalogs and should be here anyday :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 18, 2017, 04:20:56 PM
And the addiction continues(says the guy with 60 aquariums). This 4/0 just arrived in mail. I noticed the side plate is sticking out and spool been swapped. Any idea on spool type and sideplate issue. Thanks


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on February 18, 2017, 07:51:50 PM

 That's how it's supposed to be. The ring is inset a bit and it gives the plate a more dimensional look and likely strength.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 18, 2017, 08:24:47 PM
I received my coffee can 149, opened the box and layed all the parts out, knowing it was a gamble on actually getting all the parts...
(http://i.imgur.com/K49QORV.jpg)

Surprise...all the parts are there
(http://i.imgur.com/zFMlVJi.jpg)

A quick clean up, found the gear sleeve is stripped, into the parts bin, get a new 98-60 gear sleeve and some cf drag washers
(http://i.imgur.com/Yw3mr8W.jpg)

And my coffee can $25 149 is complete and ready to fish.....
(http://i.imgur.com/pJ9pCT9.jpg)



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on February 18, 2017, 09:23:57 PM
Nice find, and good work there!

It is satisfying to make something from a pile of parts.  I often find myself wanting to buy 'parts' or 'coffee can' reels just for the fun and challenge of building a 'good as new' reel, despite having no real yse fir the reel :)

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 19, 2017, 09:45:50 PM
Nicely done bringing back the No. 149 Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on February 20, 2017, 08:06:20 PM
Got this one today


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on February 20, 2017, 08:11:43 PM
Got this one today
Benni, that swirl pattern is great.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on February 20, 2017, 08:21:28 PM
Thanks  0.99 + $10.00 for tripping  :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on February 20, 2017, 11:05:41 PM
Quote
Thanks  0.99 + $10.00 for tripping

You stole it!! A fine example.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 21, 2017, 11:20:04 AM
I call that the bargain of the year...well done Ben.......Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 21, 2017, 06:10:55 PM
Well I cashed in my aluminum cans to buy this workhorse....$10......couldnt pass up this 320GTI.....gonna crack it open and see whats inside.....the spool is acting funny and the shaft may be bent but not bad enough to lock it up......Bill

Update:    bent spool and the pinion is toast too.....so gonna have about $35 total in this now....

(http://i.imgur.com/82VQxv1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/xRdqrmu.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on February 21, 2017, 07:37:50 PM
Benin,
  That's a very cool set of plates on that 80.
...and for $10 it's a homerun.
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on February 21, 2017, 07:48:52 PM
Thanks guys,,, most respect  :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on February 21, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
Wow, nice 80. Can anyone tell it`s approx date of birth????


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on February 23, 2017, 10:57:49 AM
Got this one in today


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on February 23, 2017, 11:08:44 AM
Nice oldie, but it looks like somebody removed the 113 spool & replaced it with a lighter duty  longbeach 67 spool.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on February 23, 2017, 12:44:59 PM


Nice find. That is the correct spool for a 113 back in the day. Early 50's is my guess on the era of this 113 blackie


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on February 23, 2017, 05:09:19 PM
$30 for these seven in a box... yes.

209, 9, 302, 808, procaster, millionaire, another baitcaster at five each each...done. And two fav bonus plugs NOS for free. 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on February 23, 2017, 05:22:11 PM
$30 for these seven in a box... yes.

209, 9, 302, 808, procaster, millionaire, another baitcaster at five each each...done. And two fav bonus plugs NOS for free. 

  Jeesh John, were you looking in the mirror for blue flashing lights as you pulled away from stealing that box of reels ??  :o :o

 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 23, 2017, 06:57:55 PM
Dude you need to turn yourself in......thats Grand Theft criteria....hey you should send them my way and I will dispose of the evidence.... in my display case :D :D :D....what a haul brother....good job!!  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on February 23, 2017, 07:05:18 PM
Nice grab and love the Abu   ^:)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 23, 2017, 07:10:29 PM
Well sometimes the auction trolls are asleep.....picked up this Silver Beach 99 on my favorite charity auction site for the grand total of $11.98.....found a chromed bridge and eccentric jack, steel pinion and main....and a shout out to Craig at Fisherman's Warehouse in Sacramento who got me some HT-100's you guys rock!!!
 (http://i.imgur.com/gU0Fb94.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DVSjrmW.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/CvV6zcx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zvH6Skb.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on February 23, 2017, 08:01:56 PM
Wow!

Thats a deal there!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on February 23, 2017, 08:22:24 PM
   Great score on that 99 Bill!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on February 23, 2017, 08:31:43 PM
 Nice Score Bill.....Does this mean that Tony doesn't need to reintroduce the 99 ??....cause I doubt he could compete with that price.. Lol  :D :D -Ted

  P.S. I love how this thread has turned into how much reel can you get for your money. Keep them coming !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on February 23, 2017, 08:50:55 PM
Nice one Bill.  12$, yeah all day long.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on February 23, 2017, 09:41:09 PM
Good find Miser Bill. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 23, 2017, 09:55:22 PM
Thanks guys....but yes Tony needs to bring back the 99.... might need some parts for this one too.....but then I could always use a new Penn.....99 or 349 or 210..   well let's just say bring'em all back  ;D Bill.  Ohh John when should I expect your package for proper disposal  ::)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on February 24, 2017, 05:20:36 AM
it WILL NOT have my 10's and 210's in it....some of my favorites. One of these lifetimes I want to play with the bearings in the 10 and see how close I can get to Abu distances.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on February 24, 2017, 03:43:28 PM
If they brought back the old Penns, would`t it devalue all the old originals?????


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 24, 2017, 04:50:29 PM
Guess whats in the box?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 24, 2017, 04:51:45 PM
My first squidder


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 24, 2017, 05:01:40 PM
Sweet reel brother, your gonna love it....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 24, 2017, 06:25:06 PM
Thanks Bill. Its a cool little reel. I was surprised to see the leather thumb drag. My dad use to rig up thumb drags on some of his reels, I had no idea they came stock on some reels. lol


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on February 24, 2017, 07:35:00 PM
Thanks Bill. Its a cool little reel. I was surprised to see the leather thumb drag. My dad use to rig up thumb drags on some of his reels, I had no idea they came stock on some reels. lol
That thumb drag did not come stock on that Squidder. The Thumb drag is made by Pflueger and is after-market.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 24, 2017, 07:43:06 PM
Thanks for info Sid.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on February 25, 2017, 12:22:03 AM
You will probably find you don't need a thumb stall with a squidder.  They have a sound drag and the cast control will calm the spool down enough to make it manageable.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: jason_purdy on February 25, 2017, 07:59:58 AM
Picked up this Surfmaster for a few bucks-I loved the spool and handle. Feels sound, but it needs a good cleaning. We'll see once I open it up.

Tight lines
-Jason


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 25, 2017, 08:42:05 AM
Nice find. I've been wanting to get into the surfmasters myself.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 25, 2017, 09:26:33 AM
Dosent look to have part numbers...good find......show us how it cleans up,  Bill



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on February 25, 2017, 09:36:26 AM
Nice reel  :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on February 25, 2017, 04:13:23 PM
Very nice piece.

J


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on February 25, 2017, 06:54:26 PM

 As found 113hl


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on February 25, 2017, 06:57:13 PM

 Same reel after a round of nevr-dull and soft cloth


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on February 25, 2017, 07:10:29 PM
Magic!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on February 26, 2017, 12:57:34 AM
Nice Ted, very hard to find those old chrome bars in good condition. Great find.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on February 26, 2017, 07:29:53 AM
Sorcery I tell ya! Those reels in that condition ain't easy to come by as we all know.
Nice job,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on February 26, 2017, 09:58:08 AM
   Love those chrome bars...nice makeover Ted! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 26, 2017, 10:42:45 AM
Wow....looks great....gonna get some never dull.....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on March 09, 2017, 10:28:13 AM
It looks like Basto narrowed his 3/0 down to a 2/0 using basic Penn parts.

Another way to narrow a 3/0 is, 99 seat, 65 spool and posts. That gives you an in between size 2.5/0 senator.

 Here is a shot of 3/0, 2.5/0, and 2/0.

thanks Ted, that will make my 3/0 a nice project 2.5/0 or 2/0 would be cool



Hi Steelfish

I narrowed mine with an alloy spool from Scotts, but I think they have discontinued them now.....some posts from Scotts and found a place in Australia that had a 2/0 stand. Took a long time to find a stand.
Basto

thanks buddy, I will see what I can find and then start the real search for the missing and hard to find parts


  What parts do you need ?? We probably have them here on the forum, so don't wander too far on your parts search.

  -Ted

hmm I totally forgot about this until yesterday that I saw my 3/0 reel and remembered it.

Ted, well lets just say that I have a bone stock 112h reel, so in order to make it narrow as a 2.5 size or maybe as narrow as a 2/0 size, can you tell me what parts do I need by part number?
I pretty sure I need to next parts
- new spool , which one for a 2.5 size and which one for a 2/0
- posts or frame, which one for a 2.5 size and which one for a 2/0
- reel seat, which one for a 2.5 size and which one for a 2/0



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on March 09, 2017, 01:05:13 PM
It looks like Basto narrowed his 3/0 down to a 2/0 using basic Penn parts.

Another way to narrow a 3/0 is, 99 seat, 65 spool and posts. That gives you an in between size 2.5/0 senator.

 Here is a shot of 3/0, 2.5/0, and 2/0.

thanks Ted, that will make my 3/0 a nice project 2.5/0 or 2/0 would be cool



Hi Steelfish

I narrowed mine with an alloy spool from Scotts, but I think they have discontinued them now.....some posts from Scotts and found a place in Australia that had a 2/0 stand. Took a long time to find a stand.
Basto

thanks buddy, I will see what I can find and then start the real search for the missing and hard to find parts


  What parts do you need ?? We probably have them here on the forum, so don't wander too far on your parts search.

  -Ted

hmm I totally forgot about this until yesterday that I saw my 3/0 reel and remembered it.

Ted, well lets just say that I have a bone stock 112h reel, so in order to make it narrow as a 2.5 size or maybe as narrow as a 2/0 size, can you tell me what parts do I need by part number?
I pretty sure I need to next parts
- new spool , which one for a 2.5 size and which one for a 2/0
- posts or frame, which one for a 2.5 size and which one for a 2/0
- reel seat, which one for a 2.5 size and which one for a 2/0



 To convert a 2/0 or 3/0 to a midsize 2.5/0 (99 width), you'll need a long beach 65 spool and  lb65 width posts(99, 112H, etc), and a 99 seat.

 To convert your 3/0 to a 2/0, you'll need a 111 seat and lb60 spool and posts. -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on March 09, 2017, 02:13:09 PM
Ted, he was asking about a 112H not a 112. I don't think much can be done with a 112H model with Penn parts.  ???              Rudy                 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on March 09, 2017, 02:57:05 PM
Ted, he was asking about a 112H not a 112. I don't think much can be done with a 112H model with Penn parts.  ???              Rudy                 

 Oops, I missed that part Rudy, thanks for pointing that out.

  I believe the 112h is what it is. Unless you can find a comparable spool in a different width.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on March 09, 2017, 03:14:47 PM
The only spool that I know of is a wider Tuna Special from Tiburon that they still produce from time to time. I believe Accurate produced an even wider one at one time in the past. The 112H has some slim pickens.        Rudy


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on March 09, 2017, 05:36:54 PM
Ted, he was asking about a 112H not a 112. I don't think much can be done with a 112H model with Penn parts.  ???              Rudy                  

  I believe the 112h is what it is. Unless you can find a comparable spool in a different width.

well, the exitement to make my 112h narrow with simple penn parts lasted few hours only  :'( :'( :'(

dont worry, I was also in the understanding that a 112h is what it is, the only narrow version that I know its made by accurate, but you need a new frame and spool, not really into droping almost $200 in this reel at this moment.

already have a newell spool, double SS dogs and octagon insert by Keta, so its good for local inshore fisheries

thanks anyway and thanks to Rudy for pointing that out before spending the money on those parts


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 14, 2017, 03:45:50 PM
My favorite charity auction site has been good to me again.....I passed this on to a couple of our collector members here, but they passed, so I placed my bid and won for $13.00 +shipping....from the auction pictures all I could be sure about was the 300 yard stand.  The package arrived today and yes it IS a 286, plainly stamped on the head plate, "But Wait, here's More" the original box was included and there was paper inside the box....could it be the original catalogue?   Nope, it is the "The Care of Penn Reels", still WAY COOL...unfortunately the inside box is toast and the outer box is coming apart at the edges.....still I'm really pleased, a 1941-42 286 DelMar, The Reel That Shouldn't Exist.  This comes with the Rosewood handle, Hexagon clicker button and plastic spool....the head plate has some damage at a bridge screw hole and the collar around the gear sleeve is damaged also.....but as this is destined to the display case....no worries here....Cool Beans at the Redneck Condo tonight, WoooHoooo!  ;D  Bill
(http://i.imgur.com/rwU6o5L.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jvBqMLZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/mf30eAC.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GzeLFtQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fcRQsrH.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on March 14, 2017, 03:55:37 PM
Nice score Bill.


Thanks
Brandon


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on March 14, 2017, 04:53:37 PM
Whoaaa!

How'd I miss this prize?

Nice work.

I have a 286, and actually had 2 at one time, but never a box.  Definately a great addition to a Penn collection. 

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 14, 2017, 05:16:38 PM
Thanks guys....looking back at the auction no box was mentioned or pictured....just curious anyone have tips on how to repair the box?  The box pieces are there, but the top is broken on 3 sides and the bottom has completely broke out....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on March 14, 2017, 05:18:26 PM
Good on you Tarfu  . That's a $150 combo . Ray

Use woodworking glue that dries clear .  Printers padding glue is virtually the same thing .It is water based. All you need to do is wet the torn edges and smooth and hold together one seam at a time. Sometimes setting up with blocks of wood and rubber bands can make it easier to hold . Wipe off excess with a damp cloth and allow to dry.  Easy if you take your time. If you use grease proof paper between wood and the box board the glue won't stick to the wood or the grease proof paper ..for an easy clean up.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on March 14, 2017, 05:28:28 PM
Nice score Bill,spent more on lunch and it wasn't that good! Sheridan


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on March 14, 2017, 05:30:24 PM
Thanks guys....looking back at the auction no box was mentioned or pictured....just curious anyone have tips on how to repair the box?  The box pieces are there, but the top is broken on 3 sides and the bottom has completely broke out....Bill

 Looks like someone already put tape on the box. kinda late for any restoration once that tape is stuck on.

 I've repaired seams by making a small piece of paper into a 90* piece, with about 3/4" flange each way and cut to exact length, then carefully glue it in place on the inside, where it wont be seen. If you have ragged edges on the outside, leave them alone. Messing with those will only cause you grief.

 BTW, very nice score Uncle Bill  :o :o

 -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 14, 2017, 06:23:13 PM
Would not mess with the ox too much. gluing edges as Superhook aka Aussie Ray says is the most subtle repair. The box is much more rare than the reel. Very good piece, value at $150+.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 14, 2017, 06:49:20 PM
OOOOHHHH  C&@P.....didnt think it was THAT SPECIAL  :o...And I thought the Nep-Tuna was a steal...Ted luckily the tape used was painters tape and came off without removing any of the remaining box.  I will sleep on the glue repair for a couple weeks before I attempt a repair.....Mike\Ted are there any specific photos you need of this 286 for your research or would you like me to send it to you for a hands on inspection?  Bill



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 15, 2017, 10:44:37 PM
Quote
.....Mike\Ted are there any specific photos you need of this 286 for your research or would you like me to send it to you for a hands on inspection?  Bill

Thanks Bill. No need for inspection. This reel is cut and dry. It is a non-cataloged Penn Delmar 300 yard model. There is no mystery here, just a hard to find reel in a really hard to find box. I have one in a home made box with a copied label. I have had many of the reels and when I sell them I have received from $50 to $100 for the reel alone, depending on who is bidding. The box brings the package to a different level. No telling how much it would sell for if it was presented properly. Sometimes you get two very motivated bidders and the prices can go sky high. Sort of depends how the listing goes.
                   Or list it for a $250 Buy It Now and see if it sells. You can always go down.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: coastal_dan on March 16, 2017, 04:39:07 AM
Awesome find!  Congrats, beauty of a piece, thats for sure.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on March 16, 2017, 05:46:46 AM
   Great find Bill!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on March 18, 2017, 11:43:59 PM
I found a prewar Penn 155 after digging through a box of reels at a local pawn shop.  


A good buy @$10.

:)



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 19, 2017, 04:25:42 AM
That's a deal, like the chocolate handle, and is lt non numbered? Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on March 19, 2017, 07:03:35 AM
   Nice buy John! Judging by that coin edged counter weight and old style handle it's non-numbered alright.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on March 19, 2017, 08:07:59 AM
and is lt non numbered? Bill
Same as saying "pre-war", unless you're talking about WWI... numbers showed up around 1950.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on March 19, 2017, 08:31:05 AM
Bill,
  I have no idea how I missed that one, but I'm glad you got it. That package is worth $300 in my opinion on Ebay. I would buy it right now for $150 for sure!
Congrats on your treasure, bud.
Enjoy it,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 19, 2017, 01:36:16 PM
Thanks brother Dom....I've been mulling over the box repair....as I will only get one chance at it....just thinking it through....I will keep you in mind if it ever goes "up for sale"...Would want to keep it in the family....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on March 19, 2017, 06:14:05 PM
Bill, You have the right idea...Take your time.
Keep me in mind but enjoy your find for now as we're just temporary caretakers of these relics.
All the best,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on March 20, 2017, 05:40:46 AM
   Hey Bill, I just wanted to say Superhook's suggestion of light clear drying glue and rubber bands works great for box repairs. I've fixed many this way, on some boxes it is hardly noticeable. As far as taking away value...how can you hurt something that's already in pieces? A seriously damaged box probably isn't really worth much...so having it in one piece can only be an improvement. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on March 20, 2017, 05:38:29 PM
This is how my 155 looked when I got it and I put new posts and a stronger stand on it, but it is not as smooth turning and does not have as good a free spool as when in original form.
This also happened with my 259.
Basto
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/linen%20line_zps7f5ihq6b.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on March 20, 2017, 05:43:18 PM
Maybe the left bearing is adjusted to tightly. It should have .005-.010 side play. Did you polish the spool shaft?                    Rudy


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on March 20, 2017, 07:51:56 PM
Rudy
I put all the old parts back on my 155 and it is as smooth as could be and with good free spool again.

I remember putting a 500 aluminium spool on my 259 and it did not like it either.

Basto


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on March 20, 2017, 09:14:45 PM
They say that if you replace a main gear you should replace the pinion too because they wear together to find the path of least resistance.  Maybe spools and bearings and stands do the same thing.  They have all worn and adjusted themselves to the total reel.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on March 20, 2017, 10:07:22 PM
I believe that when mixing & matching parts from different reels you have to take the time to individualy fit the parts just like when customizing anything. Just bolting together parts might make it work but measuring & fitting each part makes everything run smoother. Just because a part will fit doesn't make it right. If you want to mix & match and have everything  running as smooth as possible start blueprinting each individual part. That's what customizing is all about. Shortcutting isn't worth the time & effort. IMO          Rudy


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on March 22, 2017, 07:48:53 PM
Thanks Steve and Rudy for your replies. Words of wisdom for sure.
Basto


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on March 23, 2017, 03:12:44 AM
I find this frequently.  It can get annoying taking a reel apart several times but I usually learn something in each project that escapes the naked eye...I have on on my bench now a coffee can special I banged together, a 68, which Is smooth but would not go out of gear. Thinking the jack tabs may not be proud enough I inspected and figured out there was a 10/60 jack in it which to the eye fits perfectly during assembly.  However it doesn't descend enough. 

Mo, 10-66 order coming your way!

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on March 27, 2017, 07:52:02 PM
This Coronado is a little bit bigger than the 34


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 28, 2017, 08:01:01 AM
Good find Ben. I'd give it a good soak in vinegar to see what's under all that corrosion.  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on March 28, 2017, 09:07:24 AM

 Very cool old Coronado Ben.

 My eyeball tells me that is the 400 yard version. By the looks of it, I'd say the original owner loved to fish it.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on March 28, 2017, 05:54:02 PM
Thanks guys,,,  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: coastal_dan on March 28, 2017, 06:37:46 PM
I agree Ted!  His left thumb was all over that ring on the left side plate!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on March 31, 2017, 04:53:26 PM
This just came in the mail


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on March 31, 2017, 05:24:08 PM
Benni,

  A 1933 Kingfisher /Penn Sea Ford trade reel . Good find.

Ray


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: BryanC on March 31, 2017, 06:42:54 PM
Nice pick up.  I was the second highest bidder on that one :).  Nice to see it go to another member.  Are the spool flanges german silver?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on March 31, 2017, 07:05:34 PM
The side flanges are nickel plated over German Silver for 1933 & 1934 .


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on March 31, 2017, 07:22:22 PM
Nice pick up.  I was the second highest bidder on that one :).  Nice to see it go to another member.  Are the spool flanges german silver?
thanks ray,,, bryan  made 1 bid and then fish started biting  :-[


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 31, 2017, 07:26:07 PM
Ben, you are on a roll....that's a good find....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on March 31, 2017, 07:30:52 PM
Ben, you are on a roll....that's a good find....Bill
thanks Bill   ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 31, 2017, 09:51:23 PM
Nice find. 1933 reels are always a great find for a collection.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on April 02, 2017, 09:11:06 AM
Yard sale $25 collecting is a bad habit  :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelhead_killer on April 02, 2017, 12:47:10 PM
Friend dropped by with these two 9/0's:

(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/photoHumboldt/IMG_8566_zpsvajxxmhq.jpg) (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/photoHumboldt/media/IMG_8566_zpsvajxxmhq.jpg.html)
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/photoHumboldt/IMG_8567_zpsdso3rhzk.jpg) (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/photoHumboldt/media/IMG_8567_zpsdso3rhzk.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 02, 2017, 01:07:08 PM
That's a cool wood knob.  Someone put a lot of work into cleaning them up.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on April 02, 2017, 01:10:13 PM
 Andy, your friend has a couple nice 9/0's. The top one is 1937ish, and the bottom one looks to be early Gen 2 from the early 40's. Both are in great condition, especially the early gen 2 reel. Seldom found in that condition. Whenever I see one that nice it makes me wonder how it survived all these years. Thanks for sharing.

  -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelhead_killer on April 02, 2017, 04:19:07 PM
Steve that knob did not look like wood to me.  I could be mistaken.  Ted I think you are correct on the vintages.  At least that is what my friend  said to me.  The first gen knob is like a resin or something.  It has a swirl in it but not a grain like wood.  Any ways the Gen 2 was in spectacular shape. Beautiful old reels.

Andy


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on April 02, 2017, 06:16:08 PM
 Andy, here are the same 2 reels, except the small knob is not resin swirled and has no oil port. The torpedo on this 1941 9/0 is rosewood Steve.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelhead_killer on April 02, 2017, 06:22:30 PM
Ted so what is the small knob?  Wood?

Andy


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on April 02, 2017, 06:43:07 PM

 Mike or Ray can answer that one Andy


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 02, 2017, 07:29:04 PM
I've had this JM 500 sitting on the shelf for while, a gift from the wife  :o.  Was surprised to find a chromed bridge, eccentric jack and chromed steel main gear.  The spool is red plastic.  Need to install carbon fiber drags and ready to fish.  Love opening up gifts and finding a sweet surprise inside.....Bill
(http://i.imgur.com/ut8Le13.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/09KE6VS.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on April 03, 2017, 06:35:39 AM
Andy, did your friend drop them by for service or sold them to you? If he wants them serviced buy him 2 brand new 9/0's and hang onto those. ;) ...love me some 30's and 40's 9/0's!
Ted, thanks for busting out the "showstoppers"... simply beautiful.
Thanks
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on April 03, 2017, 08:18:50 AM
Hi can anyone shed some more light on this Black Penn Senator 6/0 and its history ?
Thanks AC


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on April 03, 2017, 09:07:18 AM
History? Born in Philadelphia some time between 1950 and 55. I don't think the handle is original, but I could be wrong. At least through '57 they came with a counterbalanced handle. This model 4/0 (edit: Oops, 6/0) was introduced in '39. Yours has parts numbers, so I know it was born after 1950. It appears to have a three-piece spool, which can explode under the load of heavily-wound monofilament line. The new chromed, cast-bronze spools came out in '56, so I would say yours is an early '50's (50-55) model with a replaced handle. Hopefully, someone who knows for sure will chime in and comment on the handle. Are you going to fish it? They're not at all scarce.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on April 03, 2017, 09:20:51 AM
Thanks Sid

4/0 ? It clearly states 6/0 on the side plate and the handle is 24-114 which I understand to be correct for the reel or am I wrong ?

Regards AC


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on April 03, 2017, 09:59:28 AM
   The older pre-war Penns are a tough find in my neck of the woods...but...when they do show up they're often in great shape. How's that? Simple, the only salt around here is on the kitchen table! :D  Once again, my old man killed it at the auction, he nabbed this gem of a LB 65 for the massive sum of four bucks. Yeah...I know...four bucks! :o  The first pic shows exactly what he bought, just a little oil residue on an otherwise mint reel. I couldn't resist giving it a spit shine. The other photos are after my cleaning. The "marbling" in the knob is reminiscent of Lou's acrylics, never saw a stock torpedo knob in brown with so much character. The clamp stand is a sweet bonus too. I feel like I could rub elbows with Ted on this one! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on April 03, 2017, 10:09:34 AM
AC, knowing Sid as I do, expect 4/0 was just a typo. He's a very exacting dude on all things Penn.


Mo, that's a great find. I buy any Penn for $4 just for a part or two....


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on April 03, 2017, 10:12:09 AM
Thanks Thorhammer any comments on the handle ? Catelin or Rosewood ?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on April 03, 2017, 10:41:00 AM
 Heck of a score Mo. I'd value this 65 at around $100. Your 65 would be nearly impossible to "upgrade" in a collection. Love the rootbeer knob !! I'd hafta say that I can't rub shoulders with you on this beauty. My guess is not too many collectors have one this nice. Your dad has a good eye !!  -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on April 03, 2017, 05:26:13 PM
Mo,
  Really nice spruce up job on that beauty. Like Ted said, I would say it's near in value to $100 as well... that's because of that handle.  You don't see one like that very often if ever.
Well done Mo's dad and well done bringing her back to life.
Keep it up,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on April 03, 2017, 05:33:57 PM
Really nice looking reel,, mo


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 04, 2017, 12:01:19 AM
Nice one Mo.  Mike says that tail plate picture is a hard one to find;
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12512.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12512.0)
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on April 04, 2017, 02:28:58 AM
Mo, I'll pay you double of what you've spent  :)...nice reel, you did really good.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on April 04, 2017, 03:24:21 AM
Solid Mo. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on April 04, 2017, 04:36:28 AM
Thanks Sid

4/0 ? It clearly states 6/0 on the side plate and the handle is 24-114 which I understand to be correct for the reel or am I wrong ?

Regards AC
Yes, 6/0 it is. It was a typo, as John suggested :)  I've corrected it.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on April 04, 2017, 04:38:10 AM
Wow Mo, that's a beaut!

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on April 04, 2017, 05:40:39 AM
Thanks for the info Sid.
Can anyone tell me what the handle knob is made of and how to identify the material used.
Thanks
AC


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 04, 2017, 11:08:49 PM
Quote
Can anyone tell me what the handle knob is made of and how to identify the material used.

Most early Penn reel knobs are made from Catalin. Catalin is similar to Bakelite in that the chemical make up is the same. The main different is that Bakelite uses fillers along with the chemical ingredients while Catalin uses no fillers.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on April 05, 2017, 12:25:35 AM
Thanks for the info Mike.
Also have a wooden handle on a Senator 114H.
What time period was the wooden handle used ?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on April 05, 2017, 02:43:07 AM
Thanks for the info Mike.
Also have a wooden handle on a Senator 114H.
What time period was the wooden handle used ?


that looks like Bakelite. in any case, disassemble that particular reel and throw everything but the drag washers in a bath of white vinegar for a coulple, rinse, and wipe with Neverdull or at least Penn reel cleaner and you will not believe how clean it will be. that one looks pretty corrosion free. That vintage are beasts.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on April 05, 2017, 04:20:33 AM
Thorhammer Bakelite was invented in 1907 and Catalin came around in 1928. True Bakelite was only made in two varying colors: brown and black. It could only be made in these two colors because of the extreme heat it endured while being cured.
Pretty sure the handle knob is wood ....but could be wrong ?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on April 05, 2017, 04:26:09 AM
Further info from the net ... Catalin is also a thermoset plastic made of formaldehyde and phenol with no fillers. Therefore it can be restored and reworked (using the right saftey precautions of course). Catalin is usually very colorful. Over time Catalin develops a patina, there is NO white Catalin (unless it has been restored, reworked, or has never seen sunlight). Sunlight causes the Catalin to yellow or "petina". All of the original white Catalin has yellowed over time, and clear to "apple juice", blue to green or teal, purple to brown or tan, while green, orange and red stay about the same. White marbling in marbled pieces will be yellowed. Catalin also shrinks over time, that is why most of the radios have cracks, warping, and the fiberboard on the back no longer fits.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 05, 2017, 02:28:11 PM
Quote
What time period was the wooden handle used ?

That is a loaded question. Penn used wood as a handle knob material from the early1930's into the early 1950's more regularly than after the 1950's. During those years wood was not a high end product. The synthetics were the new, high end materials. As time moved on and wood became more endangered and exotic. Wood became the special material. Penn used Rosewood and zebra wood. Today Zebra wood is protected. So answering that question is almost impossible because Penn used different kinds of wood throughout its history. I would say that as soon as possible, Penn moved away from wood because in truth, wood is not as controllable as a synthetic product and high quality woods are more expensive. Wood is a very imperfect product. Synthetics are more predictable.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on April 05, 2017, 08:31:48 PM
Thanks Mike.
As the world renowned Penn expert your opinion and feedback is always greatly appreciated.
Would these type of wooden (I am still presuming) handle knobs be common on the Senator 114-H ?
Regards AC


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on April 05, 2017, 10:46:02 PM
Ok after looking a bit closer and some spit and polish I am more confused .... it seems white in color ... but not wooden ?
Any help seeing white catalin seems a remote possibility ...?? ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 06, 2017, 08:14:54 AM
Quote
Thanks Mike.
As the world renowned Penn expert your opinion and feedback is always greatly appreciated.
Would these type of wooden (I am still presuming) handle knobs be common on the Senator 114-H ?
Regards AC


I would never say wood is common; Common is the plastic handle.

Quote
Ok after looking a bit closer and some spit and polish I am more confused .... it seems white in color ... but not wooden ?
Any help seeing white catalin seems a remote possibility ...?? Huh? Huh? Huh?

 I know that Catalin is not supposed to be made in white, as is discolors; but, I will not speculate anymore. When the opportunity presents itself. I will ask the real world renown Penn expert. I am just a messenger........


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 06, 2017, 10:43:25 AM
I don't think that knob color is out of the question.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-SENATOR-4-0-Deep-Sea-FISHING-REEL-MADE-IN-USA-/192137164862?hash=item2cbc44783e:g:mIIAAOSwzaJX3Wnk (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-SENATOR-4-0-Deep-Sea-FISHING-REEL-MADE-IN-USA-/192137164862?hash=item2cbc44783e:g:mIIAAOSwzaJX3Wnk)
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on April 11, 2017, 07:37:39 PM
Some research shows that possibly these handle knobs are made from ABS plastic (Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene).
Anyone heard of this substance ??


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 11, 2017, 10:32:28 PM
The 114h is likely 60's or 70's and the knob was originally bright white.  ABS and PVC were both commonly used for hard plastic gizmos both then and now.  PVC is a little harder than ABS I believe.  Coincidentally, white PVC pipe turns that same pinkish color as in the photo with age or prolonged heat.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on April 12, 2017, 10:16:01 AM
Thanks Steve
Appreciate your feedback.
Does the ABS have any obvious changes through prolonged heat etc. ?
AC


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 12, 2017, 12:45:07 PM
They both become more brittle.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 14, 2017, 01:18:17 PM
This 350 Level Wind showed up from my favorite charity auction, $9.99+ shipping.  A little rough around the edges, the level wind bar looks like someone was using either wire line or a really course braid, as there are scratches where the line would be running.  The handle is kind of cool too, caramel brown with some clear yellow inclusion in it....figure Im gonna need new drags at the minimum, i will wait until I tear into it, before getting the parts, the level line ratcheting seems a little sketchy too.....Bill
(http://i.imgur.com/aQep1bJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1ij2Hfi.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3UdaT8b.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on April 14, 2017, 02:33:20 PM
Surprisingly, Bill --

Those old 350 LevelLines really work well to move the line back and forth on the spool -- evening out the line lay.

Most of the parts are plain old Penn White Bread, common parts --

With the exception of the levelline mechanism -- which require specific parts.

And plates and rings.

These parts are possibly beyond rare as NOS, or even used.  However, if needed, I have some of the tougher ones.

That looks like an older or early 350 -- so you may want to just clean it up to restored, used condition.

There are a few tell tale signs on that reel that may indicate a early 50's reel -- although parts could have been changed around -- and Mike shows these being produced until the early 80's.

Never caught on too well -- however it performed flawlessly when operated by a good angler.

The LL system reminds me of a watch mechanism -- and is very strong and robust.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 14, 2017, 02:43:07 PM
I'm thinking might be a shelf princess, drags are small for a reel this size (6-155). Depending on what I find inside there maybe an order coming you're way Fred for some parts...I'm kind of diggin the handle with clear yellow...Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Soren Bredberg on April 17, 2017, 04:31:17 PM
I just bought my first Penn reel the other day here in Australia for just under $AU30. Nothing fancy just the Delmar 285 with black plastic spool a stuffed box, tool, lube, spare metal spool and sad looking catalogue. The reel looks and works great so I'm very happy. Looking forward to buy more older Penn reels even though I'm an ABU person. 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on April 17, 2017, 05:48:24 PM
Thats a nice reel now your hooked  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 17, 2017, 06:47:28 PM
Privateone, can you post some pictures of your find?  We like pictures and would help date you reel.  The 285 is a capable reel and will last a lifetime....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on April 18, 2017, 06:21:54 AM
I'm thinking might be a shelf princess, drags are small for a reel this size (6-155). Depending on what I find inside there maybe an order coming you're way Fred for some parts...I'm kind of diggin the handle with clear yellow...Bill


Bill, pillaged one of 350's for some parts so I've the level-line bits, yours if you need it.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 18, 2017, 09:44:30 AM
Thanks John...let me open this one up and see what's inside...Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on April 18, 2017, 12:06:55 PM
Np. I think I swiped gears dog etc but the worm and plates are all you.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 18, 2017, 12:13:20 PM
That would be great John...I'll pm my address again, and finally get the "dog whistles" in the mail going your way....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 18, 2017, 06:54:56 PM
Holy smokes  :o.....my favorite on-line charity site payed off again.....a Surfmaster 100....$12.....gonna need a bigger display case, cuz this one is gonna get fished and displace something else.... ;D  Bill
(http://i.imgur.com/3Mdrwzv.png)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on April 18, 2017, 08:46:33 PM
Nice reel and I bet you got a nice collection  :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on April 19, 2017, 04:04:46 AM
Score!!!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on April 19, 2017, 05:23:27 AM
   A 100 Surfy for 12 bucks?...excellent score Bill!! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: El Guapo on April 19, 2017, 07:15:30 AM
looking through the photos posted realised a work colleague gave me a rod and reel..just checked and its a Penn reel bolted onto the rod.. don't know the name of the Penn reel but if anyone knows it please let me know or history if possible..reel is in need of a clean as well a service with no a/r present.

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh567/fumoro2/1_zpsi2mear8o.jpg) (http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/fumoro2/media/1_zpsi2mear8o.jpg.html)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh567/fumoro2/2_zpsib0vlkjz.jpg) (http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/fumoro2/media/2_zpsib0vlkjz.jpg.html)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh567/fumoro2/3_zpsscynskj5.jpg) (http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/fumoro2/media/3_zpsscynskj5.jpg.html)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh567/fumoro2/4_zpsgalihf6f.jpg) (http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/fumoro2/media/4_zpsgalihf6f.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on April 19, 2017, 07:57:40 AM
Nice old Penn 85 -- sometimes referred to as the "Seaboy".

Good restoration project --

If parts are needed, might have some for your reel.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on April 19, 2017, 09:27:12 AM
The 85 and 285 were probably Penn's biggest sellers over the years. They were the same dimensions as a Long Beach 60. They differed from the Long Beach in finish mostly - no trim rings, non-chromed parts (85), plastic vs. chromed brass spools, different handles and handle-fastening hardware (85 again, cheaper slotted screw handle nut, not scalloped). The guts are the same as the LB60. There is no shortage of used 85s or 285s in the world....

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: El Guapo on April 19, 2017, 09:29:59 AM
Thank you so much..appreciate the time and effort

what a beautiful reel as per your collection pictures.

with time on my hands between work will give restoration project a real go..learnt from a similar old Daiwa sometime ago that the bars are not the easiest to reassemble when reel is stripped haha.

im excited and will have a look see at the schematics of the reel which i think should still be available,

Regards


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on April 19, 2017, 09:37:22 AM
im excited and will have a look see at the schematics of the reel which i think should still be available,
Here http://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/85.pdf (http://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/85.pdf)
Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on May 01, 2017, 07:05:08 PM

 These aren't antiques, but still deserving of a spot on a shelf IMO.

  The eBay seller described the 2/0 as "shows signs of normal use" LOL, that was a lie, but I decided not to ask for a refund since it was only $40.50 total, and the poor description & pics worked in my favor for once !!!

  The 3/0 was a few bucks more. I'm not in the buying mode, but just cant pass on a bargain.

  -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on May 01, 2017, 09:33:57 PM
Beautiful reels brother....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on May 02, 2017, 07:35:25 AM
   Was that a recent buy Ted? Lately I haven't been able to find much of interest on eBay...I must be poppin' in after Ted makes a swath...HA! :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on May 02, 2017, 08:34:10 AM
Ted has an amazing eye for the reels that look like crud, but it's just caked on oil/ grease and gunk.  He take a towel and makes them new again.
Beautiful reels, Ted
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on May 02, 2017, 09:43:15 AM
  Was that a recent buy Ted? Lately I haven't been able to find much of interest on eBay...I must be poppin' in after Ted makes a swath...HA! :D

 If you're not finding good deals on eBay, then you ain't looking hard enough. Most the reels I get from eBay are auction format and if a reel goes beyond my price point, I'll let someone else have it and wait for another to come along.

  Here are just a few that came from eBay in the last 2 months. Average price for this group is about $43 each, even the anniversary reel.....Actually have exactly $30.50 total into that one......Yep, you're right Mo, no deals on eBay if you're waiting for one to fall in your lap. The best reels are the ones you gotta search for.  ;D ;D

  -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on May 08, 2017, 07:40:27 PM
Just came in $.99+6.95 shipping a piece 309and500 if I really wanted one of these reels,,,,then there hard to come by


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on May 09, 2017, 11:04:44 AM
Just came in $.99+6.95 shipping a piece 309and500 if I really wanted one of these reels,,,,then there hard to come by

What kind of secret search criteria did you use to find those?? :o :o :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on May 09, 2017, 11:37:47 AM
Ben you better check outside your window the police may be coming.....because you stole those  :o :o......Good job brother....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on May 09, 2017, 02:53:36 PM
Just came in $.99+6.95 shipping a piece 309and500 if I really wanted one of these reels,,,,then there hard to come by

What kind of secret search criteria did you use to find those?? :o :o :o

      This is something I've been wondering about...as my brother and I seem to get totally different reels in our searches. He'll send me a link to something I never even saw in my search, and vise versa. Killer deal Benni3! 8) 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on May 09, 2017, 06:57:35 PM
Thank guys and I love your posts ,,,,here the trick bid on 5 or 10 reels at the same time ..low ball...if you really want it the last 10sec go big ,,,,,and mo I know you want a 9/0 look at Florida's  Craigslist and pawn shops on line in Florida


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on May 09, 2017, 08:07:34 PM
mo I know you want a 9/0 look at Florida's  Craigslist and pawn shops on line in Florida
There certainly is no shortage of 115s out there. Mike, what are you looking for? If you end up finding one near me in Palm Beach County I'd happily pick it up and ship it out to you.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on May 10, 2017, 09:26:44 PM
Oh and i go to 'vintage penn reels'  by ending and just listed


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on May 11, 2017, 01:07:52 PM
mo I know you want a 9/0 look at Florida's  Craigslist and pawn shops on line in Florida
There certainly is no shortage of 115s out there. Mike, what are you looking for? If you end up finding one near me in Palm Beach County I'd happily pick it up and ship it out to you.

Sid

   Thanks guys. You're right...there are lots around...I'm just looking for that ridiculously cheap one...LOL!! ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on May 11, 2017, 10:40:22 PM
I keep thinking about buying a Penn 4/0 just because I can.  I wanted one badly as a teen but had to make do with a hand-me-down Olympic.  The shame of it all.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 13, 2017, 07:04:59 AM
Quote
I keep thinking about buying a Penn 4/0 just because I can.  I wanted one badly as a teen but had to make do with a hand-me-down Olympic.  The shame of it all.
-steve

That's funny Steve. I have a entire collection of reels that I own because I can. When I was a kid I felt special just being able to have a Penn 155 with a matching surf rod. Things were a little tight in the 1950's.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on May 24, 2017, 07:09:42 AM
Hi All

Just got hold of a Penn Jig-Master 500 with a Bakelite narrow spool.
Some part numbers:
Handle 24-49
Stand 30-49
Non-handle side bearing 40-60
Handle screw 23-60
Star drag wheel 10-60
Spool = 43.3mm or 1.7inches

Was wondering if anyone could help with any info on the reel. What I have found is the narrow Jigmaster is the 501- is that on the sideplates ?
As per reel schematics the "Fine tooth star drag, older reels take a 10-60".
Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Regards AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on May 24, 2017, 07:17:17 AM
AC,

I'm no reel geek, but a Jigmaster 501 (narrow) is the same as a Jigmaster 500, except for the width of the bars (or posts), stand, and spool.   My understanding is that Penn sold conversion kits so that 500 owners could convert their reel to a 501..  There are many 501-width reels with 500 sideplates.   This site is chock-full of information on Jigmaster repairs and upgrades!

/Joe


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on May 24, 2017, 07:27:34 AM
As per reel schematics the "Fine tooth star drag, older reels take a 10-60".
Any info would be greatly appreciated.two

Regards AC49
Not sure what you're asking, but there were two gear sleeve/star combinations, the coarse thread and the fine thread. The only difference between the two is how many turns of the star are needed to change drag adjustment, the fine tooth requiring more...

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 24, 2017, 10:03:47 PM
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  My understanding is that Penn sold conversion kits so that 500 owners could convert their reel to a 501..

I do not believe so. The Model 501 is introduced in 1965 in Catalog #27 as a new model, not a kit. Because they are simply a narrowed Model 500, having 501 bars, spool and stand will enable you to convert a Model 500 to a 501 frame; but, the reel will not have the correct logo on the head plate ruining its collector value. When ever you are buying one used, you should check to see if it is an original 501 or a converted 500. Converted reels sell for less than originals.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on May 24, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
The 10-60 drag star. I thought that'ed be the part number for the coarse thread star found on the older ones. Or, is the part # the same for both coarse and fine thread, and you just name it as one or the other?
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on May 25, 2017, 12:37:51 AM
Thanks for all the feedback.

What I'm trying to determine is whether there was ever a Penn 500 narrow spool version with a narrow Bakelite spool of about 1.7 inches ?
Or do I have a Penn 500 with 501 stand and 501 posts 37-180 ?



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 25, 2017, 06:14:45 AM
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What I'm trying to determine is whether there was ever a Penn 500 narrow spool version with a narrow Bakelite spool of about 1.7 inches ?
Or do I have a Penn 500 with 501 stand and 501 posts 37-180 ?

The first version of the Penn 501 was offered with a metal or a plastic spool. If your reel has 180 posts, with a narrow 1.7 spool but it has a logo reading 500, then you have a converted reel and that conversion was done outside of the factory.

Quote
Insert Quote

The 10-60 drag star. I thought that'ed be the part number for the coarse thread star found on the older ones. Or, is the part # the same for both coarse and fine thread, and you just name it as one or the other?
Gfish

Sleeve for a standard Penn 500 Jigmaster is a course thread #98-60 using a Penn Long Beach Star Wheel #10-60.

Sleeve for a High Speed Jigmaster 505 is a fine thread #98-505 using a 10-505 Star Wheel

These sleeves and wheels are interchangeable for any Jigmaster. I believe.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on May 25, 2017, 08:10:01 AM
Thanks Mike for clearing that up.

Just checking other spools from a Penn 500A that I have and found that the spool is a 29-250 on the reel as well as the new spare spool in the box. Scott's Bait & Tackle only mention fitting the 250 and 259 model ??

Can a 29-250 spool originate from the Penn 500A ?

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 25, 2017, 09:06:00 AM
I believe that spool came from a Surfmaster 250. They are the same width, just different gearing.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 25, 2017, 11:39:59 AM
Daron is correct. The spool originates with the Surfmaster 250, hence the Part Number. It will fit the Surfmaster 250, the Live Bait Caster 259 and a Jigmaster 500.

The 500A box is an Export model. The "A" stands for Africa. The Jigmaster's that were sent to South Africa were numbered 500A's; but, only on the box. The reels were plain Jigmaster 500's.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on May 25, 2017, 12:12:40 PM
Thanks Daron and Mike.

So the 29-250 spool originates with the Surfmaster 250 but FITS the 259 and Jigmaster 500. Does this mean the 29-250 spool didn't ever come out standard with the Jigmaster 500. Reason I'm asking is that the box, reel, spare spool and catalog 26B from 1964 all "seem" original based on way everything was kept from the owner. I know this can be misleading sometimes ..... just asking ?

Appreciate the feedback.

AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on May 25, 2017, 12:28:42 PM
AC, to the best of my knowledge, the 250 and 259 both pre-date the 500 (the 259 was discontinued and the 500 was introduced)....therefore in keeping with Penn's penchant to keep things simple, they may have just continued making the 29-250 spool (and 29-250 markings) and putting them in the 500.   Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on May 25, 2017, 01:28:35 PM
I have been wanting one of these penn edsel reels for a long time $.99+4.26 shipping  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on May 25, 2017, 06:34:05 PM
I'd take that all day long.....good pick brother....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on May 25, 2017, 06:41:07 PM
Thanks,,,bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 25, 2017, 09:23:47 PM
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I have been wanting one of these penn edsel reels for a long time $.99+4.26 shipping  Grin

That's not the Penn Edsel, this is............... :D

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Closed%20Face%20Spinning%20Reels/1965%20Penn%20Delux%20Closed%20Face%20Spinning%20Reel--Model%20420%20006%20676%20x%20507_zpshctlwngi.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on May 26, 2017, 01:18:10 AM
What the heck.  Was that thing ever in the catalogs Mike?  Same time frame as the greenie spinfisher?
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on May 26, 2017, 07:45:22 AM
There are 3 or 4 of these at Penn Headquarters -- in their glass case.

I assume the others -- 410 & 430 are the other colors -- blue, red, and maybe gold?

Tony said these were very rare -- and high quality.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on May 26, 2017, 12:05:41 PM
Very nice,,,you don't see them floating around   :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 26, 2017, 09:17:39 PM
I just wrote an article for the Reel News about these reels. I call them the Un-Penn reels. They were a complicated partnership between Penn and Daiwa. not enough room here to explain the whole story. They were very high quality closed face spinning reels. They were made in the early sixties. The story about these reels reads like a Soap Opera. The four at the factory are the last ones in the hands of Penn, one of those factory reels is a special color. Basically it should not exist; but, you guys know Penn, they break the rules all the time.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on May 27, 2017, 05:48:10 AM
I think I might have a candidate for a penn Edsel. A 2 speed baitcaster with mag cast control flipping switch even has a window on the front to show the position of the line guide. Don't think this reel ever caught on, must be a ton of tiny parts inside, I'd imagine servicing it would be a chore. I haven't used it so I'm not sure how well it works, might have to give it a try.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on May 27, 2017, 06:26:36 AM
I just wrote an article for the Reel News about these reels.
Looking forward to that issue, Mike! I'm about half way through "The History of the Fishing Reel", which for those that don't know is a selection of Reel News articles from the first 15 years of ORCA. If you're interested in fishing reel history and how the mechanics evolved over the years, this is a good very resource. It's available from Whitefish Press, the same publisher of Mike's Penn books.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 27, 2017, 08:48:24 AM
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Looking forward to that issue, Mike! I'm about half way through "The History of the Fishing Reel", which for those that don't know is a selection of Reel News articles from the first 15 years of ORCA. If you're interested in fishing reel history and how the mechanics evolved over the years, this is a good very resource. It's available from Whitefish Press, the same publisher of Mike's Penn books.

My contribution to that work is from page 34 to 38, the restoration story of the Edward vom Hofe, Commander Ross 14/0, photos and actual restoration done by Ray Hodges. There is an endless amount of information in that book.

The Penn closed face spinning article will be in the Reel News Magazine, July issue. Loaded with new discovery information about that particular series of reels.

There just happens to be two of these reels for sale on EBay as we speak.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262959033245?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/282476592263?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

These do not come up for sale that often.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on May 27, 2017, 03:27:37 PM
I meet this guy last year who rebuilt 70's and 80's zebco 808 for cat fishing ,,,the new one don't have the quality is there still a market for this? and can penn make a abumatic?  ::)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on June 02, 2017, 06:15:45 PM
Santa came today with the elusive 350


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on June 03, 2017, 12:40:27 PM
Good job on the 350....I serviced one for a friend and liked it so much had to get my own...then John (ThorHammer) came to the rescue with a nice level wind bar.....Wait until you open it up...looks complicated but was a breeze to service...Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on June 03, 2017, 07:03:20 PM
Thanks bill  :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on June 04, 2017, 04:30:26 AM
Good job on the 350....I serviced one for a friend and liked it so much had to get my own...then John (ThorHammer) came to the rescue with a nice level wind bar.....Wait until you open it up...looks complicated but was a breeze to service...Bill
The level wind mechanism is pretty simple in this reel actually, just 4 or 5 moving parts, but when I did my first one I was amazed at the design. It isn't hard to see how watchmakers were the first reel makers.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on June 04, 2017, 09:09:43 AM
Re-assembly tip....you can assemble the reel without the spiral bar in place, then remove the tension bearing/nut and insert the bar...you will have to crank the reel to get the bar to completely seat.....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on June 04, 2017, 12:12:24 PM
The problem with these reels is that the level line bar must be high on the frame to work.  The line rubs on the bar when casting and creates a lot of fiction.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on June 05, 2017, 04:26:55 AM
Who uses a Penn 350, and how do you use it?   Bottom fishing?  I imagine with a 3:1 gear ratio, you wouldn't want to fish too deep.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on June 05, 2017, 09:30:05 PM
Thanks for your input on the 350 got a no 9 in today Christmas colors,,,,I'm sure the maroon side plate didn't belong there?,,but the corrosion looks consistently bad  :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on June 06, 2017, 04:50:45 AM
I'm sure the maroon side plate didn't belong there?,,but the corrosion looks consistently bad  :)
Penn often did special orders of non-matching side plates for pier rental outfits that wanted to be able to recognize their rented reels from a distance. This is probably what you have.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on June 06, 2017, 06:09:52 AM
That one's a bit rough but put it all in a white vinegar bath and see what you have left. If still crappy I'd snag a decent maroon 9 off the Bay for cheap (because the parts will be period correct like chrome or SS spool and amber handle) and swap it out with your plates. I have a box of 8 disassembled 9's that I will get around to putting something decent eventually. Love those, have a couple dozen.

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on June 06, 2017, 06:32:46 AM
I would think this is a Penn 9 that was repaired years down the road after the Green Monofils. The green parts did not last long, so if your 1955 green Penn 9 needed a side plate in 1972, it would get replaced with a more modern color like maroon or black. The only Colormatic reel that was ordered from Penn with different side plate color, that I know of, was the 209 because it was a popular Party Boat aka Head Boat reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on June 06, 2017, 06:40:00 AM
Penn often did special orders of non-matching side plates for pier rental outfits that wanted to be able to recognize their rented reels from a distance. This is probably what you have.

Sid
I would think this is a Penn 9 that was repaired years down the road after the Green Monofils. The green parts did not last long, so if your 1955 green Penn 9 needed a side plate in 1972, it would get replaced with a more modern color like maroon or black. The only Colormatic reel that was ordered from Penn with different side plate color, that I know of, was the 209 because it was a popular Party Boat aka Head Boat reel.
I defer to Mike's expertise. Forget what I wrote, it's a 9, not a 209.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: coastal_dan on June 06, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
I saw that on etsy...nice grab.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on June 06, 2017, 11:10:39 AM
You guys are amazing and the members here on Alan tani are incredible,,,thanks again for your help.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on June 08, 2017, 08:53:25 AM

 1954 Penn introduced the monofil. It was simply a 155 with a different label. The intention was to scoop up the market for new monofilament line. The owner of this grey monofil obviously wasn't ready to switch from linen to mono.....and after a quick wipedown I have also concluded the original owner did not fish very much. ;) ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on June 08, 2017, 10:46:23 AM
It had Ashaway brand braided nylon line.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on June 08, 2017, 11:00:12 AM
wow beautiful one there Ted!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on June 08, 2017, 11:17:07 AM
Ted, I don't know how you do it. Again and again.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on June 10, 2017, 05:16:54 AM
That's a very clean reel,,,good job


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on July 18, 2017, 05:51:14 AM
Here is a complete set that doesn't turn up to often. 1937 Penn 9/0. This one has the first 1937 paper. The second paper for 1937 has the 12/0 Senator, Long Beach Deluxe and 100 yard Newport shown. Haven't had a chance to clean it yet. Anyone have the second 1937 paper they want to part with?
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/PENN%20PLUS%20OTHERS/100_7251_zpspnkgekzx.jpg) (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/PENN%20PLUS%20OTHERS/100_7252_zpstnhtxzl7.jpg) (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/PENN%20PLUS%20OTHERS/100_7253_zps0fbgrdti.jpg) (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/PENN%20PLUS%20OTHERS/100_7255_zpsic2kkrne.jpg) (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/PENN%20PLUS%20OTHERS/100_7257_zpsdmlrupkr.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on July 18, 2017, 05:59:04 AM
wow....


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: coastal_dan on July 18, 2017, 06:19:53 AM
 :o  What a find!  Thanks for sharing that beauty with us.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 18, 2017, 06:40:29 AM
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Anyone have the second 1937 paper they want to part with?

It is in the 1937 Chapter in the Blue Book, page 49 & 50. If you want, I can email you a good scan of it.

Nice find on the early Model 115! Not too many left I would think.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on July 18, 2017, 04:08:02 PM
Mike,
  Thanks, you already sent me a scan. I'm looking for an original.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 19, 2017, 07:53:50 AM

 Fantastic find Brian !!!

 Very few of these boxes have survived and you got the full meal deal which is about as rare as a unicorn.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: fishgrain on July 19, 2017, 08:38:58 AM
it's fun to speculate about what it was like to be a part of Penn Fishing Tackle during the 1940's.

fishing is still the best cure i have found for anxiety, and what better time for a great story to get even better.

big game fishing was booming in the late 1930's, still a rich mans sport of course which Mr. Henze was wise to recognize.

I would imagine with the instant market success of the 16/0, Penn began investing more heavily into deeper production runs of 16/0 specific parts in the early 40's.

In other words perhaps they were building up their stock while also scaling the advertising exposure ALA the 1942 Field and Stream ad.

But then of course plans were foiled, leaving the firm with a greater supply than the market would consume in the short term.

The new demands from the Govt. probably rendered whatever inventory management system they had in place at the time useless.

Probably had everything organized all nice and neat (think F. Oakes shop lol), constantly optimizing to build reels more efficiently,
and then had to re-engineer their operating procedures including inventory storage and handling in order to meet the newly gifted responsibilities of helping the country in a new way.

And since they still weren't even numbering their parts, maybe things got a little messy until the dust settled.

Whatever the specifics of the time, this one still managed to find its way into the market, precisely when =>  ??? ???

thanks,

Jay Grob

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Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 19, 2017, 09:47:25 AM

 Wow, now that is one sweet 1940's 16/0. Definitely drool worthy.

  -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on July 19, 2017, 10:52:36 AM
   Wow...love that reel fishgrain...she's a beaut! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on July 19, 2017, 12:10:41 PM
Georgeous, Jay!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on July 19, 2017, 03:25:18 PM
Very nice reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on July 19, 2017, 05:52:01 PM
Brian,
   I'm not sure how you do it, but you seem to unearth some of the most amazing examples of Penn reels.  Thanks for showing that relic and the Penn paper... those are near impossible to find for some of us. ;)
Nice find,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 19, 2017, 08:10:14 PM
Great finds Brian and Jay.
The Senator will always be my favorite. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on July 20, 2017, 01:35:50 PM
Here's my first 190 and unnumbered. I don't recall hearing too much about this reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on July 20, 2017, 03:04:25 PM
Here is an early 12/0 Senator mounted on a Montague Double built all roller rod "Allen rollers I believe". I am going to fill it with linen this weekend.   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on July 20, 2017, 03:06:32 PM
part 2


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on July 20, 2017, 03:53:39 PM
WOW, I'm thinking you have some kind of time portal in the basement that allows you to go back and find this stuff. Just WOW


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on July 20, 2017, 04:04:50 PM
I have had the rod for 5 or 6 years but got the reel less than a year ago and I though they would go together nicely. 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on July 20, 2017, 05:00:52 PM
That's one of the nicest if not the nicest first gen 12/0's I've seen.  Don't spool it, as much of the beauty is in the spool.
That rod is a sweet one, too!
Nice stuff,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on July 20, 2017, 06:48:30 PM
Now that's a nice set up and your going  have fun fishing  with it  :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 20, 2017, 08:27:09 PM
I have had the rod for 5 or 6 years but got the reel less than a year ago and I though they would go together nicely. 

 Super rare first year 12/0 would be a sin to fish in my opinion.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 20, 2017, 10:06:05 PM
I have to agree,
As much as I like to fish big Senators.
You don't realize what this one is worth in that condition.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on July 20, 2017, 10:13:54 PM
That is really something special John.  But, where-in-the-heck did you find that much linen?  I have a hunch you're not intending to take it fishing.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on July 20, 2017, 10:57:33 PM
That's a sweet combo.  I wish I had that handle for my first gen 12/0.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on July 21, 2017, 01:13:03 AM
I think they look neat with line on but I will not fish this one ! I will fill it up with dacron then put a half inch of linen on top. This is the only early Senator I have but would love to find more.    John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on July 21, 2017, 05:57:23 AM
Very nice set John.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 21, 2017, 07:12:17 AM
                 Very impressive John. Not many of those early 12/0's around. There is a double tell concerning the early 12/0's. The handle style is the most obvious. That handle is just plain rare, in the real sense. Penn put that handle on the 12/0 for a very short time. Maybe a bit over a year and then switched to the Torpedo handle. So the actual use and production was limited. That is a fact. I also feel that most people that owned 12/0's with that straight handle at the time did not like the straight handle and changed their reels over to Torpedo handles, even further limiting the amount of reels with those handles and condemning most of the original handles to the dust bin or the garbage pail. You are more likely to find that straight handle on a smaller reel or an off brand reel than on a Penn 12/0.
                  I have a friend that found one on a old smaller than 12/0 Ocean City reel at a show. He told the seller he did not want the reel; but, would give him $25 for the handle. The seller agreed and he now has the handle on the incorrect first gen 12/0.
                  Which brings me to the second tell. True 12/0 firsts have no front lugs, which makes them very difficult to restore when the plates or inner rings are damaged.

                   That rig you have is a great find. I would never put line on it. The rod is also a great old piece. I find the Alan guides very interesting. Have them on one rod.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on July 21, 2017, 07:43:48 AM
Returned to this thread to see stuff about the Seaboy-190 on page 27. Ah well, somethin like this gives me insight as to why the ladies complain about male behavior and also why my neck hurts alla time(lookin at all the diffrent women makes my head spin around from one to the other, just like Howdy Dudy). Rods/reels are not women, as are not fancy cars, but there's some kinda comparetive thing, and this really is one beautiful Senator combo. I hope ta fish with somethin like that someday soon. Back in the day, if I's alive then(30's-40's), for sure, I'da saved up awhile and bought somethin like a 190 and felt good about havin a serious ocean rig - a Penn.
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on July 21, 2017, 12:24:42 PM
Okay I have canned the line idea !!! She stays naked ! I just think they display nice with line. I like the rod as well as the reel they are a hard find in decent shape especially the all rollers !!  I see way more decent Tycoon rods than Montague's !  Thanks for the replies !    John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 21, 2017, 06:49:37 PM
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Okay I have canned the line idea !!! She stays naked ! I just think they display nice with line. I like the rod as well as the reel they are a hard find in decent shape especially the all rollers !!  I see way more decent Tycoon rods than Montague's !  Thanks for the replies !    John Taylor

I agree about the display, especially the linen line. It adds to the character for most reels except for big game Penn reels with three piece spools. The spool becomes part of the vintage aspect of the reel. Most people that know Penn big game reels 10/0 and over expect the reel to have a one piece bronze spool. The three piece spool is a key part of the reel's vintage, so I like the spool to be seen. Simply a matter of preference, eye of the beholder kind of thing.

You have a point about the Tycoon rods. I feel the opportunity to buy an old wood Tycoon rod is easy, not cheap, but easy. Finding a good quality big game Montague is hard and a split cane big game Pflueger is even harder. I guess big game fisherman always gravitate toward quality and the Tycoon has the reputation of being the best. I know the price difference between a Penn Senator and a Fin-Nor was massive but I am not too sure about the price difference between a Tycoon big game rod and others in the same marketplace of the same era. If that price difference is small, then the Tycoon rods will always win and be more plentiful. Seen many Penn Senators mounted to Tycoon rods in old pictures.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on July 21, 2017, 11:37:33 PM
A double built rod ain't too shabby regardless of the maker.  My understanding is that it is a six-piece bamboo hexagon inside another bamboo hexagon.  The wall of a bamboo culm is not thick enough to make a solid big game rod without using two layers.  Sounds like more than twice the work.  That particular Montague is good looking and well preserved.  It's a miracle the leather foregrip is in such good shape.  The hardware looks first class too.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on July 22, 2017, 01:50:18 AM
I came to like the Montague rods from the Ocean City cradles. I bought this one with a rough 612 Ocean City reel on it from an antique shop in Conn. for cheap money $350 for rod and reel and I sold reel on ebay for over $200 so it was a good investment ! I have a Big Game Single also but it's not in as good of shape. The small ones are what I can't find !! My smallest Montague fits the 806  cradle and is like new but I have never seen one to fit the 804  4/0 cradle not even in poor shape so if any one ever sees a 4/0 size Montague bamboo or fiberglass tip please let me know. The big fiberglass Montague's are really nice also and not cheap !! There was a real big one on Ebay a few years ago that I really wanted that was in mint shape all original and it was at around $300 when I was headed for bed so I figured if I bid $750 I would own it !!  Wrong !! Two other bidders got at it for over $1000 !!

And Steve your right about the grip on this rod it is about the best I have seen as most look like people have rested them on the gunwale of a boat a thousand times then cleaned and either oiled or varnished them up and they show a lot of wear. Not sure exactly how they are made or if it's leather or some type of cork / rubber combination ?         John T.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on July 23, 2017, 12:53:49 AM
I'm done buying fishing reels.  No more.... and I mean it this time.  But I have a nostalgia thing when it comes to the #9 and couldn't resist this one.  According to Mike's book, it is from the introductory year of 1952-53.  There is a hexagonal worm gear bearing on the tail plate, more pointed torpedo handle, black side plates.  Also, a bit of knurling on the clutch lever.  I would have rather had the metal spool, but OK.  Haven't been inside it yet.
-steve
(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/9a.jpg)
(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/9b.jpg)
(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/9c.jpg)
(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/9d.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on July 23, 2017, 09:19:32 AM
Very nice reel ,,,,my dad likes to use #9 on the lake  :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on July 23, 2017, 03:40:33 PM
My name is Joe, and I'm a Penn-aholic.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on July 23, 2017, 03:57:09 PM
Relax Joe, you are among friends with the same affliction. It's very serious, that's why we have to meet daily for discussions.  ;D ;D         Rudy


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on July 25, 2017, 06:22:09 AM
OK...question...why isn't this thread stickied? 29 pages should qualify it. There is some great reading in this one. 8)
You got it Mo,
Daron


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on July 29, 2017, 12:43:12 PM
OK...question...why isn't this thread stickied? 29 pages should qualify it. There is some great reading in this one. 8)
You got it Mo,
Daron

   Thanks Daron.

   Even the blind hog gets an acorn now and then. This 259 Live Bait Caster is just as I found it for 30 bucks shipped. I feel like I should apologize or something...;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on July 29, 2017, 12:53:34 PM
Boy it looks like new !!  Nice find and nice price  !!   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on July 29, 2017, 04:58:04 PM
Nice.  What do ya' think?  '55ish?
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: fishgrain on July 29, 2017, 06:27:22 PM
Sweet reel Mo always sweeter when the price is right


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on July 29, 2017, 06:53:17 PM
Nice reel,,,I like that green knob


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on July 29, 2017, 07:10:00 PM
Hey brother if you find yourself not sleeping well at night, just send it my way.... I'll sleep just fine with that in the display case...good pick   Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on July 30, 2017, 06:02:07 AM
Good looking reel. Great buy.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on August 01, 2017, 02:25:32 PM
Nice.  What do ya' think?  '55ish?
-steve

   I can't really say Steve. The best I can narrow it to is early 50s-59 just by the numbered parts.
 I wish there was a way to know which ones used those pesky narrow gear sleeve posts. Seems like every time I wanna beef up one of these things it has that darn bridge post that won't work with modern ss sleeves. Other than that little pitfall I really like these 259s. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on August 01, 2017, 04:02:21 PM

 Nice score once again Mo.....AKA Mojo  :D :D.... You are on a roll and no reason to stop now !!

  The tongue on the seat looks to be more squared shape and not tapered as much as the later version. That dates your nice 259 to 1950-55. The cool green/yellowish swirled knob seems to also be a early 50's thing (IMHO)

  -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on August 02, 2017, 12:28:46 AM
Ted or Mo, or whoever, do you know what year the knob went from a football to a torpedo?  Also, did it happen all at once and in all models?  That would be handy thing to know.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: fishgrain on August 02, 2017, 04:00:57 AM
and it lives to fish another day,

jay grob

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Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on August 02, 2017, 05:24:02 AM
Ted or Mo, or whoever, do you know what year the knob went from a football to a torpedo?  Also, did it happen all at once and in all models?  That would be handy thing to know.
-steve

   First off...holy buckets Jay! :o That reel looks great! Steve's question is one I've pondered myself. Like so many things Penn though...they never wasted anything. Older parts stocks were always used, so there was a lot of spillover. I'd have to guess early 50s as the transition time.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on August 02, 2017, 07:09:57 AM
Ted or Mo, or whoever, do you know what year the knob went from a football to a torpedo?  Also, did it happen all at once and in all models?  That would be handy thing to know.
-steve
I spent just a few minutes with Mike C's latest yellow "Documentary History of Penn Reels", but the lines between football and torpedo blur a little. In 1948 all the grasps in the catalog are pretty much of two types - the football-shaped and the long, thin grasp typical of earlier times and first made of wood. Then in 1949 there were some differences; for instance, the Long Beaches 66 and up had torpedo type, and the 65 and down had a shorter, squatter football type of grasp (p 159). Looking at the 1949 catalog one can see a wide variety of handle shapes on the different reel models, some longer and thinner, some shorter and squatter, some clearly football-shaped, others not so much. I think this was the transition year and there were lots of different shapes to look at. Perhaps Mike will post some pics from his book; I do not wish to copy his stuff here.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 02, 2017, 08:31:05 AM
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I spent just a few minutes with Mike C's latest yellow "Documentary History of Penn Reels", but the lines between football and torpedo blur a little. In 1948 all the grasps in the catalog are pretty much of two types - the football-shaped and the long, thin grasp typical of earlier times and first made of wood. Then in 1949 there were some differences; for instance, the Long Beaches 66 and up had torpedo type, and the 65 and down had a shorter, squatter football type of grasp (p 159). Looking at the 1949 catalog one can see a wide variety of handle shapes on the different reel models, some longer and thinner, some shorter and squatter, some clearly football-shaped, others not so much. I think this was the transition year and there were lots of different shapes to look at. Perhaps Mike will post some pics from his book; I do not wish to copy his stuff here.

Sid you are welcome to copy anything you like from my books to here. No problem. Simply saying you material is copied from my book is good enough credit for me.

As for handle styles, I suspect nailing down a historical flow by using the shape of a handle knob is very vague. The handle knob styles do display different eras; but, I feel the super early 1930's and 40's styles were a continuous experimental flow rather than a set style for a particular year. I feel there is more historical exactness by judging the counterweight style than the handle style. But that is just my opinion.

When I first started collecting Penn reels there was an old timer (RIP) that used to tell me that at the early Penn plant, there was a lady that turns the handle knobs, she was affectionately known as the "Handle Lady". This is Penn folklore and may not be fact, depending on her mood or the day of the week or how the sun lined up with a particular star was what determined how she would shape the handles on the day. Hence, early Penn handle knobs may be round, pointy, stubby, fat or simply as expected. it all is dependent on the mood of the "Handle Lady".....<:O)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on August 02, 2017, 12:34:25 PM
Beautiful Jay.

Thank you very much for the knob info.  Should have known it could not be that easy.  The handle lady must have become set in her ways because once they started to look like the modern torpedo with a groove near the tip they seemed to stay exactly the same for a couple of decades.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on August 02, 2017, 12:48:39 PM
When I first started collecting Penn reels there was an old timer (RIP) that used to tell me that at the early Penn plant, there was a lady that turns the handle knobs, she was affectionately known as the "Handle Lady".

   Wait...whoa...hold on now! Do you mean the knobs were turned? Like on a lathe? That explains a lot! Like the nearly endless varieties of shape between "football" and "torpedo"...I've been enlightened!
 I always figured they were cast like the plates. :o



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on August 02, 2017, 12:58:11 PM
Do you mean the knobs were turned? Like on a lathe? That explains a lot! Like the nearly endless varieties of shape between "football" and "torpedo"...I've been enlightened!
 I always figured they were cast like the plates. :o

Me too!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on August 02, 2017, 03:03:24 PM

 All of a sudden I'm in love with a woman I never met that was most likely born over a century ago. :-*  :-*

 .......The handle lady


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on August 03, 2017, 04:20:37 AM

 All of a sudden I'm in love with a woman I never met that was most likely born over a century ago. :-*  :-*

 .......The handle lady
Don't tell Lou. He's a happily married man.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 49Freak on August 03, 2017, 06:15:17 PM
Well, I tried being logical.  The family and I escaped the building boom and no-go traffic of Seattle and made our annual meca to Long Beach Washington where we visited an antique mall. I must have looked at these 4/0 Senators ten times and walked away telling myself I just don't need more fishing reels, even at $20.00 a piece. When I mentioned it to my wife who's wondered why I have so many already she told me if I liked them go ahead! So, they're not particularly old or stock, but I seem to have an unnatural attraction to Penn Power Handles and it just seemed a shame to leave them there.They'll get the vinegar bath eventually, but for now they're safe at home.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on August 03, 2017, 06:38:06 PM
Cool find  :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on August 04, 2017, 07:13:59 AM
   Great buy 49Freak...those convertible handles alone are worth what you paid. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 04, 2017, 08:15:09 AM
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  Great buy 49Freak...those convertible handles alone are worth what you paid

Agreed. I pay $15 to $20 for those handles.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 49Freak on August 04, 2017, 03:59:32 PM
I'm pretty happy with the deal and even tried to mentally justify the purchase thinking of the going price of the handles and the reels themselves. At the end of the day I know I'll probably never sell anything so that argument doesn't hold much water either. ::)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on August 07, 2017, 10:55:14 AM
nice. agreed on the handles


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 07, 2017, 11:14:34 PM
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  Wait...whoa...hold on now! Do you mean the knobs were turned? Like on a lathe? That explains a lot! Like the nearly endless varieties of shape between "football" and "torpedo"...I've been enlightened!
 I always figured they were cast like the plates. Shocked

I have asked a former Penn CEO about the machined verse molded or cast handle knobs and I seemed to have opened a can of worms. He cannot remember exactly whether the handle knobs were machined or not. He believes some had machine marks on them. I feel they were turned. Anyways, here is his response. As more info comes in I will pass it on.

 
""""Mike, I've done some asking around and don't have a definitive answer. However when we closed down the spinning reel plant in Hegins pa there were a couple of 55 gallon drum's of handle knobs that we're very early and I grabbed a few handfuls of them. I'm gonna dig them out of the box when I get some time in a couple weeks and we should be able to see machine marks because these I remember had some machining marks
"""""



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on August 08, 2017, 01:47:57 AM
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  Wait...whoa...hold on now! Do you mean the knobs were turned? Like on a lathe? That explains a lot! Like the nearly endless varieties of shape between "football" and "torpedo"...I've been enlightened!
 I always figured they were cast like the plates. Shocked

I have asked a former Penn CEO about the machined verse molded or cast handle knobs and I seemed to have opened a can of worms. He cannot remember exactly whether the handle knobs were machined or not. He believes some had machine marks on them. I feel they were turned. Anyways, here is his response. As more info comes in I will pass it on.

 
""""Mike, I've done some asking around and don't have a definitive answer. However when we closed down the spinning reel plant in Hegins pa there were a couple of 55 gallon drum's of handle knobs that we're very early and I grabbed a few handfuls of them. I'm gonna dig them out of the box when I get some time in a couple weeks and we should be able to see machine marks because these I remember had some machining marks
"""""


Interesting information Mike, one of those 55 gallon drum's could make you retire ;D.
Thanks for your continuous hard work,  always trying to get to the bottom of it.
It's very much appreciated.

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on August 08, 2017, 06:06:45 AM
Wow, I'm surprised, I thought those were purchased molded from the supplier... look at how similar other manufacturers' handle grasps are.... just ask Lou how much work it would be to turn one of those. That's crazy, but it was in the days when materials were more expensive than labor.... but I'm still dubious. I will now go to my collection with a magnifying glass to look for machining marks.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 08, 2017, 06:22:53 AM
I suspect the total answer to this question will be that both answers are correct. Depending  what time in Penn history we are talking about.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 08, 2017, 06:28:26 AM
Quote
  Wait...whoa...hold on now! Do you mean the knobs were turned? Like on a lathe? That explains a lot! Like the nearly endless varieties of shape between "football" and "torpedo"...I've been enlightened!
 I always figured they were cast like the plates. Shocked

I have asked a former Penn CEO about the machined verse molded or cast handle knobs and I seemed to have opened a can of worms. He cannot remember exactly whether the handle knobs were machined or not. He believes some had machine marks on them. I feel they were turned. Anyways, here is his response. As more info comes in I will pass it on.

 
""""Mike, I've done some asking around and don't have a definitive answer. However when we closed down the spinning reel plant in Hegins pa there were a couple of 55 gallon drum's of handle knobs that we're very early and I grabbed a few handfuls of them. I'm gonna dig them out of the box when I get some time in a couple weeks and we should be able to see machine marks because these I remember had some machining marks
"""""

Interesting information Mike, one of those 55 gallon drum's could make you retire Grin.
Thanks for your continuous hard work,  always trying to get to the bottom of it.
It's very much appreciated.

Sal

Posted on: August 07, 2017

Ha, what is going to make me retire is my bad knees.. :)

Funny how such a simple question can cause investigation and research.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on August 08, 2017, 06:32:15 AM

I find no evidence of machine marks on the polished surface, but the grooves have a different, unpolished finish, so it would appear that either they weren't molded, or perhaps they were molded but the easier to polish surface of the knob was polished and the groove was not, so I'm afraid I'm not adding much to this. As a side note, while I was looking with magnification I noticed a seam on the metal sleeve on the handle for the first time. I thought those were tubes, not rolled. Wrong again!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 08, 2017, 06:44:18 AM
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I find no evidence of machine marks on the polished surface, but the grooves have a different, unpolished finish, so it would appear that either they weren't molded, or perhaps they were molded but the easier to polish surface of the knob was polished and the groove was not, so I'm afraid I'm not adding much to this. As a side note, while I was looking with magnification I noticed a seam on the metal sleeve on the handle for the first time. I thought those were tubes, not rolled. Wrong again!

Never worry about being wrong. Every time you give an opinion, that possibility always exists. It simply places you in the category of being human.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on August 08, 2017, 07:42:55 AM
Funny how such a simple question can cause investigation and research.

I can smell the smoke from here ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on August 08, 2017, 10:10:51 AM
They may have been molded and then burnished by hand.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on August 08, 2017, 05:30:33 PM
This has got to be the most amazing thread in the history of message boards. I initially entered the fray back around page 6. I figured I would make another cast at it. Look at the first pic. All 5 reels look pretty much the same except for the handle knobs. But when you turn them sideways you see the real story.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: JRD on August 08, 2017, 07:48:06 PM
Picked this up on flea bay just for the spool to go in a surfmaster project.  $13.50 plus $4.50 shipping.  Looked fair in the picts, but in person it's too good to tear down for parts.  It's got a tiny elegant 24-100 handle with oiling point, nice picture tail plate and head plate.  Barely looks fished and no marks on the screws.  So now I'm back in the hunt for a surfmaster metal / aluminum spool.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on August 08, 2017, 08:36:27 PM
Maudu, Now I know where all the wide 49's are. :o
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on August 09, 2017, 04:48:58 AM
Hey, what stand you got there on the 180? Looks like a 49 stand for a clamp kit. Nice little reel, as you say they can be had cheaply. 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on August 09, 2017, 06:08:05 AM
You're right, John... or maybe an Ocean City stand.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: JRD on August 09, 2017, 09:10:09 AM
Hey, what stand you got there on the 180? Looks like a 49 stand for a clamp kit. Nice little reel, as you say they can be had cheaply. 

It was the picture angle, just a regular 30-180.  The handle is making me happy I've never come across the small knobs with oiling ports.  The stamp is either a 24-100 or 24-109, I just can't read that last number.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on August 09, 2017, 10:13:59 AM
   Sweet stable Maudu! Love those 49s. I have been eye-ballin' the 349s lately...may have to spring for one soon. ;)

   It's a #24-109 handle JRD. I've used them several times on small reels...they are a very comfortable handle for 180s, 109s, Surfy 100s. I also like the #24-85 handle on 146 Squidders and Mag 10s. It's a hair bigger...but same basic feel. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on August 09, 2017, 04:40:04 PM
Hey Mo, get you a 49 you'll love it. In my pic it's the one in the middle. The other 4 are 49A's. wide bodies made for the South African market.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on August 09, 2017, 06:07:55 PM
Hey Mo, get you a 49 you'll love it.

   I was saying it's the 349 that I need to get...I do have a 49...check out this jewel brother! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: The Great Maudu on August 09, 2017, 07:19:22 PM
Love the handle. Be hard to upgrade that jewel


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on August 09, 2017, 07:56:23 PM

 Nice one Mo

I like the knob too.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on August 09, 2017, 08:10:52 PM
That's a beauty there.

One of these days you are going to have to post a photo of your entire collection.

Maybe here...

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10064.0

Or here...

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14752.105

John



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on August 09, 2017, 09:16:15 PM
One of these days you are going to have to post a photo of your entire collection.

   I've been meaning to do that...I'll see what I can come up with. It should be easier than photographing Ted's entire collection. I don't think they make a lens that wide! ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: cmdrzog on August 10, 2017, 08:38:28 AM
The 109 handle is double knobbed.  The handle pictured is common on older 180 & 190 reels.   The double knobbed handle w/o oil ports was on the 77's.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: JRD on August 10, 2017, 09:24:09 AM
The 109 handle is double knobbed.  The handle pictured is common on older 180 & 190 reels.   The double knobbed handle w/o oil ports was on the 77's.

My 77 had the double like you say, my maroon plate 109 had a smaller football knob counter balanced and my other 180s had a single knob non oiling port handles 24-85 handles on them.  It was different enough that I didn't part the reel out, cleaned and greased it, changed drags and will probably fish it just the way it is.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on August 10, 2017, 10:00:47 AM
Here are a few of the various small cranks.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on August 10, 2017, 10:54:58 AM
I like the 24-85 (larger single-handled one, with counterbalance) for the Penn 10, as Mo suggested.  Looking to get my hands on a dark-colored one soon. :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on August 12, 2017, 11:24:16 AM
I just picked up this 9/0 Senator. It looks to have a wooden knob and unnumbered.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on August 12, 2017, 01:45:40 PM
Thats a classic for sure.....Good looking reel brother....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on August 13, 2017, 07:38:13 AM
Very nice! I bet the flanges on that spool are Nickel Silver.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on August 13, 2017, 12:44:02 PM
It has a Rosewood knob , Line post tie and forward rod harness and no part numbers . Late 1940's early 2nd generation . Good condition .Nice find.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on August 18, 2017, 05:28:19 PM
Thanks for info guys.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on August 18, 2017, 05:37:30 PM
I just picked up this 140 squidder. Im thinking 50's era but please correct me if wrong and any details are always appreciated. It did come with box but its pretty tattered and can barely make out price. Im really loving these reels. I live in a region where you virtually never see them fished. In fact Ive never seen one locally, now you'll see people shore casting senators all day; funny the squidder never has appealed to Hawaii's fisherman.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on August 18, 2017, 09:11:40 PM
 I've had plenty of squidders thru the years and yours does have part numbers. The only other hint of date of manufacture is the headplate. You'll notice the words "off, Gear, on" for the eccentric. ....That went away around 1955-56. Also if this is original box, it has "fair trade price" which I believe also went away prior to mid 50's

 -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on August 18, 2017, 10:08:37 PM
I'm no expert, but the shape of that knob screams the fifty's.
Cool reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 21, 2017, 10:38:30 PM
Mid 1950's.... Great surf casting reel. World class.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on August 23, 2017, 08:15:00 AM
this is my lastest adquisition, just the way I got it a week ago, still havent performed the Alantani way on it yet.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on August 23, 2017, 08:28:29 AM
this is my lastest adquisition, just the way I got it a week ago, still havent performed the Alantani way on it yet.

Your first International?   ::) Moving up in the world ::)   

The only first-hand look I ever got at one of those was when someone paid $500-1000 a day to take me fishing  :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on August 23, 2017, 09:31:24 AM
you know, its not my first international, I actually own a 50s that a customer never wanted to fix, so he sold it to me at a terrific price, I didt felt exited from that one as Im with the 16s because the 50s is bit too big for my normal use, but my compulsive buyer mind follows the rule of " its better to have it and never need it than need it and never have it".  ;D ;D this will be my dedicated big grouper and shark reel

any way,  international 50s was the first but the 16s will see 5x more action that the bigger brother for sure, as a side note, whan I was starting in fishing I remember that I saw the fishing magazines and saw those big golden reels on the fancy boats and always wanted to have one of those reels until I found the price tag on them, Yay !! well once again the "reel repair" knowleage learned from AT ohana put me on a way to now own two of them, I have a lot of things to thanks to be part of this brothehood community

this its the reel when it was brought to me almost a year ago
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=19899.0

the reel is already fixed and alantanitazed




Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on August 23, 2017, 10:50:14 AM
Nice work!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: fishgrain on August 23, 2017, 01:34:51 PM
that is one sweet little reel, was a perfect way to "get my feet wet" working on 2 speeds


Jay


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Dominick on August 23, 2017, 02:51:04 PM
Alex I love the look and feel of those Internationals.  They are the go to reels for big game fishing.  Good luck with those.  Dominick


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on August 23, 2017, 03:12:43 PM
thanks guys, I also love the look of those old model international

pretty sure they will be keepers on my arsenal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on September 08, 2017, 08:29:12 AM
We are at the coast for a few days --

Whenever we come over to the coast -- of course I look for bargains on fishing reels.

Came over to Randy's "for sale" stuff at Jerry's Marine in Morro Bay --

Bought (3) Penns --

A very nice old 350 in perfect condition with the exception of the owners name etched on the stand --

A really good 309 -- just needs a LW guide, pawl, and pawl cap.

And a neat old 1/0 -- that was obviously used by Vinnie Verdigris.  

These are just fun old reels for me to restore as new.

They will all get a complete breakdown, clean & service, CF with Cal's, modern lubes, etc.

The 350 will get a new stand -- easy enough, have plenty of those.

The 309 will get a new LW guide and pawl -- also easy, have plenty of those new.

The little 1/0 will get all new exterior metal and new sideplates -- fortunately, I have sideplates, rings, posts, stand, star, spacer, bearings and screws.  Maybe a new spool -- although, I may install the old leather drag washers in this one -- I have a bunch of NOS leather discs from decades ago.

I will post pics when they are all done in a day or two after we return.  Then just toss them in the for sale box.

Hard to pass up the bargain's at Randy's display -- something for everyone -- top quality brands -- and all super reasonably priced.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on September 08, 2017, 08:46:10 AM
   Nice project reels Fred! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: El Pescador on September 08, 2017, 09:03:20 AM
Fred!

You travel with your Taco Bell Serving Trays???

Wayne


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: swill88 on September 08, 2017, 09:08:27 AM
Fred!

You travel with your Taco Bell Serving Trays???

Wayne

Those trays are standard at the Reel Repair Motel in Moro bay.

 :D steve :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on September 08, 2017, 09:18:08 AM
We always have a couple of those in the camper -- standard equipment -- and very handy.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: El Pescador on September 08, 2017, 09:32:31 AM
We always have a couple of those in the camper -- standard equipment -- and very handy.

Best,
Fred

Fred,

You completely take the wind out of the Art of Dry Shaving!!!!! ;D

Travel Safe,

Wayne


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on September 27, 2017, 05:07:33 AM
Found this first year senator recently. The dirt and grease actually protected it from corrosion all these years. She cleaned up really nice!!

(http://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=43410&d=1506438402)

(http://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=43418&d=1506438425)

(http://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=43426&d=1506438450)

(http://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=43434&d=1506438471)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on September 27, 2017, 08:15:49 AM
Very nice,,,and good job cleaning it up looks great :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on September 27, 2017, 08:44:58 AM
Nice reel.

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 27, 2017, 09:27:04 AM
Beautiful piece. :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on September 27, 2017, 11:10:56 AM
   Wow...that is incredible condition for such an early Senator. I too had a stroke of great luck in nabbing this mint 1/0 Senator. This one is truly "just as I found it"...no scrubbing necessary! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Dominick on September 27, 2017, 02:22:38 PM

You completely take the wind out of the Art of Dry Shaving!!!!! ;D

Travel Safe,

Wayne
Does anyone else besides Wayne know the expression "dry shaving?"  Dominick


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 27, 2017, 04:30:03 PM
You Dry Shaving Me? Dominick. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on September 27, 2017, 05:48:42 PM
Uhhh.....where to start.....hmmmm....I got nothing...... :o :o    But those reels are really cool  ;)  Good job 350 and Mo... Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 28, 2017, 06:27:46 AM
Quote
Found this first year senator recently. The dirt and grease actually protected it from corrosion all these years. She cleaned up really nice!!

That is an amazing find. It is the first of the Senators, a 1936 / 37 Model 115. In that condition you have a valuable reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on September 28, 2017, 07:43:34 AM
Thanks everyone! I also recently acquired this 9/0 with lighthouse box. Using Mike's blue book, it looks like 1939-41 maybe judging by the price? I gotta start taking 'as found" pics. This one had just a little scruff to her as you can see, but not much.

(http://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=43530&d=1506613058)

(http://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=43538&d=1506613088)

(http://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=43546&d=1506613123)

(http://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=43554&d=1506613150)

(http://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=43562&d=1506613177)





Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on September 28, 2017, 08:35:38 AM
Beautiful reels you’ve recently acquired. Looks like you met a collector in your travels and somehow convinced him to sell some of his really rare relics.
Good stuff!
Thanks for showing
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on September 28, 2017, 10:41:26 AM
   Wow...that is incredible condition for such an early Senator. I too had a stroke of great luck in nabbing this mint 1/0 Senator. This one is truly "just as I found it"...no scrubbing necessary! 8)

Mo, this is a great find, really cool reel, congrats




the other reels that have been "found" recently have made green of envy, not much where to look for reels here


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on September 28, 2017, 11:28:57 AM
   Wow...that is incredible condition for such an early Senator. I too had a stroke of great luck in nabbing this mint 1/0 Senator. This one is truly "just as I found it"...no scrubbing necessary! 8)

Shes a beauty for sure!
Question. Do all 1/0 have stippled or textured sideplates? 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on September 28, 2017, 12:55:27 PM
 Mr f350, you have a very rare early 2nd gen 9/0. What makes it unique is no front lugs or harness. If it were mine, my curiosity would make me remove the tail plate and look on the inside to see if the plate has a cutout for the lug and if the factory filled that void with a lug blank or no lug cutout at all.


  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on September 28, 2017, 01:23:17 PM
Mr f350, you have a very rare early 2nd gen 9/0. What makes it unique is no front lugs or harness. If it were mine, my curiosity would make me remove the tail plate and look on the inside to see if the plate has a cutout for the lug and if the factory filled that void with a lug blank or no lug cutout at all.


  Ted
Thanks Ted, I believe when I had it apart there was no front lug cutout at all. I will confirm Monday when I get home.

-Chris


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on September 28, 2017, 07:10:27 PM
Mo, I have a couple of those 1/0's Mint like that and you nailed it with that one... she is MINT! If she wasn't I have no doubt you could make her a 10... I've seen you're work lately and WOW!
Keep it up you have a good eye,
Dom
PS- Chris, I can't stop looking at that handle... she's a showstopper! ... One of the prettiest I've seen.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 29, 2017, 08:34:29 AM
Quote
Thanks everyone! I also recently acquired this 9/0 with lighthouse box. Using Mike's blue book, it looks like 1939-41 maybe judging by the price? I gotta start taking 'as found" pics. This one had just a little scruff to her as you can see, but not much.

Very interesting reel. Using the catalogs as a guide, that reel shold not exist. It has no front lugs, yet the head plate is a second generation configuration. When I see reels like this I always think a transitionary model.

I put the reel in the 1948 / 49 range. I cannot see the price on the box. To be a post war reel in a Lighthouse box (1946 to 1949) it should read $32.50. If the price is less than $32.50, it is a pre-war reel. If that is the case, you have found a very special model or the reel and box do not belong together. In any case, the reel is very special because its build style shares first and second generational characteristics.

Great find! :o :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on September 29, 2017, 08:51:41 AM
Hmmmm. Mike the price on the box is $29.00. To be 48/49 it should have part numbers right? There are none. Guess im gonna have to disassemble her on monday. I will post more pics then. Thanks
-Chris


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on September 29, 2017, 09:58:37 AM
Hmmmm. Mike the price on the box is $29.00. To be 48/49 it should have part numbers right? There are none. Guess im gonna have to disassemble her on monday. I will post more pics then. Thanks
-Chris
Part numbers started in '50


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on September 29, 2017, 01:33:21 PM
  Chris, the $29 price reflects 1942 or before

  Your reel is likely 1941 as that has already been proven to be when the 9/0 gen2 configuration was first introduced. Most had front lugs, but over the years I've seen a handful of gen2 with no front lugs or harness. Yours belongs in a museum

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on September 30, 2017, 06:46:34 AM
Chris, 2 very, very nice 9/0 reels. Ted is correct as likely being early 1941 reel. There a couple interesting things about the early 2nd gen, 9/0 reels without the front lugs as to date. First we know that they started in 1941 and  that was also the first year that the 9/0 had front/ harness lugs. We also know that you find a few 1940 first gen reels with the external drags ( first year for them on the 9/0 ). This makes me think that these 2nd gen. 9/0 reels without the front lugs could have been made in late 1940 or early 1941. Either way you have a very nice hard to find set.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on September 30, 2017, 05:31:51 PM
Picked up this 115 9/0 last night.....the old war horse is a victim of the California Rock Cod wars and is in need of some TLC....but when I saw that it had no part numbers I knew she had to come home for a spa day  ;)....Found no part numbers through out and a three piece spool.....I was a little skeptical seeing all that dacron but after pulling it off the chrome was not too bad...I was surprised the gear sleeve was in good shape considering the "Rock Cod" handle was extremely loose...that handle is going into the junk pile asap for a more appropriate handle....It did notice the "N" in Senator seemed to be a little off and remember a discussion here regarding letter font, but cant seem to find it.   Bill
(https://i.imgur.com/liPUaDc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gl03u5e.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MDLFg5K.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/caUVLDS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NPRxjEk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vF6qJHv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Q8wmsAm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/B7rNoTo.jpg)

And now she seems real comfortable among some of her stable mates
(https://i.imgur.com/oDrfTQ3.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on September 30, 2017, 06:26:04 PM
Bill,
Always nice to see an old girl who's "been there, done that". I thought i had an extra original handle i would give you but I can't find it.
-Chris


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 01, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
chris thank you for looking....reading your "handle" I see F350.... I'm driving an '02 F350...... how about you?  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on October 01, 2017, 07:47:55 PM
Cool 9/0 bill,,,it's a keeper


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on October 01, 2017, 11:54:10 PM
Neat reel Bill.  We have an '04 F-350, complete with the stock leaking windshield and recalled brakes.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 02, 2017, 02:00:15 AM
Well ive owned a 2000 and a 2002. Both 7.3 and jacked up with 38" tires.
But i got married, bought a house and now i drive a Fiesta LOL. Oh how times change.
I keep 1badf350 because its what i used for multiple forums over the years and its just easy to remember

-Chris


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 02, 2017, 12:44:19 PM
Mr f350, you have a very rare early 2nd gen 9/0. What makes it unique is no front lugs or harness. If it were mine, my curiosity would make me remove the tail plate and look on the inside to see if the plate has a cutout for the lug and if the factory filled that void with a lug blank or no lug cutout at all.


  Ted
Thanks Ted, I believe when I had it apart there was no front lug cutout at all. I will confirm Monday when I get home.

-Chris

Ok so Ted got me thinking about the front harness lugs. I just took the tail plate off for inspection and there are NO provisions for harness lugs. Pic attached. This is the area where the front lug would be on the tail plate


(http://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=43770&d=1506976897)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on October 02, 2017, 01:40:02 PM
Well ive owned a 2000 and a 2002. Both 7.3 and jacked up with 38" tires.
But i got married, bought a house and now i drive a Fiesta LOL. Oh how times change.
I keep 1badf350 because its what i used for multiple forums over the years and its just easy to remember

-Chris
Chris
I own a 2001 Larait crew cab full 8' body 7.3 F350 and a 2001 F350 one ton dump with a 7.3 then my daily driver a 2002 crew cab full 8' body with a 7.3 with 325,000 miles on it !   I love them !!!    John T.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 04, 2017, 08:13:07 AM
Here's my latest e-bay "find".....keep your laughter to a minimum, please ! LOL ! A Penn 78, on a 6'foot rod, for $.99...plus the $7.97 shipping, of course. While my "rod wrapping" skills aren't very good...some new guides, a clean and lube on the 78, should give me several hours of enjoyment "in the doing"....and a few hours of fun , in the "using" !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on October 04, 2017, 08:46:12 AM
   I can't see how you got hurt at all there Crow. That combo was once somebody's brand new rod & reel, it can be cleaned up fairly easy, and you scored it for under nine bucks...bravo! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 04, 2017, 09:05:31 AM
.99 cents!!! WOW cant believe nobody else bid a few cents more. I'd say good deal there Crow. Heck even if it ends up being a wall decoration.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on October 04, 2017, 10:55:07 AM
All that line wound around the rod is a bad sign.  Like the solid glass blank may have some cracks in it.  It too could be replaced for not much money.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 04, 2017, 12:07:07 PM
    That's the "wrapping thread'...the sealer...finish...whatever you call it, is all gone, and, the "threads" are actually rotted....you can just pull them apart. The blank, itself, seems pretty sound. I pulled the reel.....cotton line was all rotted on it, as well.......and tore it down for a "soak", and I discovered one problem. It apparently took a "hit" on the tail side bearing ....no damage on the outside of the plate, bur the hex brass insert in "popped out" on the inside. I used a bit of super glue, and secured that, so, when things get cleaned up, I'll see how it does. There are a few things I was going to order, so I'll add some guides, and thread, and have that ready, for "a rainy day" !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 04, 2017, 10:09:55 PM
Those old knuckle busters were a thing of beauty in my opinion.
Memories of days gone by.
I have several.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on October 05, 2017, 03:58:26 AM
Here's a video of a guy surf fishing with the Sea Scamp 78:http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=22164.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=22164.0)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 05, 2017, 04:44:09 AM
   It looks like the reel he's fishing is a "lefty" ! 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on October 05, 2017, 05:22:50 AM
   It looks like the reel he's fishing is a "lefty" ! 

Yeah, I was wondering... is it really a lefty or just a righty turned around?  The freespool lever is on the left front (not back) of the reel, so I think it's just turned around.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 05, 2017, 07:56:13 AM
   I'm betting he's just "fishing backwards"...while the gearing IS helical cut, the taper on the gear teeth is very slight, so , it would take a LOT of pressure (a REALLY nice fish !) to force the pinion off the spool. I spent an hour, or so, cleaning the reel , this morning, and , even with the "repaired" tail plate bearing, it has an amazing free spool ! Much better than my other 78. I may have to fish it, a bit, this weekend....and, I'll try the "backwards thing" (the small mouth I usually catch surely won't stress it very much ! LOL !). I need to figure the size guides I need, and get that stuff ordered, to !I have a pretty sizable (for me !) order to go to Scott's, too....just need to pick up a few more sacks of aluminum cans, to help defray the cost !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 05, 2017, 08:21:07 AM
   The plating is pretty well history...but the plates cleaned up nice !  It kind of reminds me of an old, speckled hound dog, I had once ::)!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on October 05, 2017, 08:37:47 AM
Great job,,, I always wanted to fish one


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on October 05, 2017, 12:17:03 PM
its been a long time without finding anything worth on the local fleamarkets or FB sales, yesterday I saw an add on FB from a guy selling some reels, all others were real beat up fresh water stuff and the only saltwater reel was this one, I got it $20.
long story short, now its mine and Im exited cuz its my first 4/0 with top hat on the drag, not sure but it might also wear a steel main gear
almost all chrome parts are pitted from corrosion, looks like it was cleaned after the green stuff attacked and now it has the familiar chromeless spots all over, the internal side of the reelseat still has the green corrosion, not a problem with this, this will be my loaner reel after a good service.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 05, 2017, 12:54:53 PM
  I'd say you got a good buy !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 05, 2017, 04:26:39 PM

....and no rod clamp ?? I'd say you better ask for your $20 back  ;D ;D ;D

 That's a heck of a score for $20

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on October 05, 2017, 05:10:42 PM
not a problem Ted,
perfect excuse to get a reel clamp from you soon

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on October 07, 2017, 04:37:09 AM
I know this isn't a reel but I thought that this was the perfect place for this Penn display piece my buddy Doug
"MARLI" on this site found a few weeks back at a sale in Pennsylvania. It as just as it was found. Please if any one has seen or owns one like let him know or post any info or comments on it !!   Thanks for looking !
John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on October 07, 2017, 04:42:11 AM
Sorry for the sideways picture ! I can't seem to fix it.   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on October 07, 2017, 05:14:17 AM
   Cool piece! Congrats on the find. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 07, 2017, 05:21:18 AM
    The ultimate "display" !   Really neat !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on October 07, 2017, 06:57:00 AM
Sweet!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 07, 2017, 03:38:04 PM
Nice! That bar looks familiar.... ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on October 07, 2017, 06:46:42 PM
I've never seen that piece but it was obviously a display that maybe someone has a photo sitting on a counter in a B&T somewhere.
One of the cooler display pieces I've seen.
Congrats on the find,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 08, 2017, 06:20:33 AM
Thats a great find....now time to fill it up....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 08, 2017, 08:29:34 AM

 Nice score !!

 My guess is it was used at the trade shows in the Penn booth.....just a guess

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: coastal_dan on October 09, 2017, 09:57:44 AM
Beautiful display!  If you get a chance, look at eBay under 'Penn Reel Collectible" there is a page out of a dealers magazine that shows a similar counter top display.  Not sure if it is the same, but darn close.  I'll see if I can post a link.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 09, 2017, 10:14:01 AM
Beautiful display!  If you get a chance, look at eBay under 'Penn Reel Collectible" there is a page out of a dealers magazine that shows a similar counter top display.  Not sure if it is the same, but darn close.  I'll see if I can post a link.

  You nailed it Dan......that is definitley the same display


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on October 09, 2017, 02:08:19 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1960-PAPER-AD-Penn-Senator-Store-Display-Fishing-Reels-Reel-Squidder-/152656629655?hash=item238b0b4f97:g:y6cAAOSwsg9Zixk1
Ebay ad of Display.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on October 09, 2017, 09:53:49 PM
That's a neat photo in the ad.  The display looks much larger when it's full of reels.  The ad says it is March 1960.  But the reel box on the counter looks older.  Didn't they have the blue/white box with stapled edges by 1960? 

Where's that recent thread about Penn boxes?  I can never find anything around here.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 10, 2017, 07:26:04 AM

 Steve, you're right, the reels and boxes pictured are from the 50's......Penn used same illustrations over and over for many years. The pic is more likely mid 50's era

Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 11, 2017, 03:34:36 PM
 It's been a while since I had something worthy of posting on this thread.....here goes

 it's a 1941/42 Long Beach 60 with metal spool and clamp seat. !00% original. It ain't perfect, but in my eyes it's just right.

 Mo, George, and Broadway musta all been fishing when this got listed for $19.95 and free shipping !! Thanks guys, I appreciate you letting me win one every so often  ;D  ;D  ;D

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: STRIPER LOU on October 11, 2017, 04:08:45 PM
SOWEET! How did I miss that one?

Nice score Ted!

................Lou


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 11, 2017, 04:19:00 PM
Nice reel Ted. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 11, 2017, 04:27:15 PM
That looks mint in my book.....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on October 11, 2017, 04:46:18 PM
   $19.95 and free shipping??? I sure hope I was out fishin'...otherwise I must have been in a beer and pizza induced coma. Awesome score Ted! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 11, 2017, 04:47:17 PM
    That was a steal !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on October 11, 2017, 04:57:53 PM
It's been a while since I had something worthy of posting on this thread.....here goes

 it's a 1941/42 Long Beach 60 with metal spool and clamp seat. !00% original. It ain't perfect, but in my eyes it's just right.

 Mo, George, and Broadway musta all been fishing when this got listed for $19.95 and free shipping !! Thanks guys, I appreciate you letting me win one every so often  ;D  ;D  ;D

  Ted


this is the time when you are allowed to use other people words, when you dont see a rod clamp  :P ::)

....and no rod clamp ?? I'd say you better ask for your $19.95 back  ;D ;D ;D
 That's a heck of a score for $19.95
  Ted

-- Alex


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: George4741 on October 11, 2017, 07:51:04 PM
Beautiful reel.  I must have blinked and missed it. 
Enjoy,
George


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bryan Young on October 11, 2017, 08:57:55 PM
Wow Ted.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on October 12, 2017, 05:02:53 AM
Who's going to scoop up this one?  ;D  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-27-Fishing-Reel/172921777330?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 12, 2017, 03:41:11 PM
Penn 114HL Anniversary Edition. Like new. Has one crack on the outside handle ring.
$89 bucks shipped.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Army_of_One on October 12, 2017, 04:38:42 PM
Penn 114HL Anniversary Edition. Like new. Has one crack on the outside handle ring.
$89 bucks shipped.

That's gorgeous!  I can't look directly at it, but it's nice.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 12, 2017, 04:56:09 PM
That IS nice!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on October 12, 2017, 05:52:21 PM
   Nice score Daron! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 12, 2017, 07:37:35 PM

 Very solid deal on a super sweet reel. Nice going Daron


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on October 12, 2017, 08:58:16 PM
If you need a ring for that nice 114HL, Daron --

Let me know, and I'll send a new one your way tomorrow.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 13, 2017, 03:50:09 AM
I appreciate it Fred.
Daron


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on October 13, 2017, 05:41:50 AM
Hey D,
  Nice job on your new, Annie. I saw it but had to let her go and boy am I happy I did. She fell into the right hands. I have 2 already so it wasn’t an option. I didn’t notice the seller saying anything about a crack in the plate though. Maybe I just didnt read thoroughly enough.
Handsomely done pal,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 13, 2017, 05:51:19 AM
Glad I wasn't asleep at the wheel on this one yesterday? $17 shipped!!

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/hZMAAOSwkVZZ37iv/s-l1600.jpg)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9IYAAOSw0bhZ37ml/s-l1600.jpg)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1lUAAOSw9-FZ37lJ/s-l1600.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 13, 2017, 07:43:49 AM
Good score !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on October 13, 2017, 07:50:34 AM
Glad I wasn't asleep at the wheel on this one yesterday? $17 shipped!!


ls this a Long Beach 68?  Great deal.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on October 13, 2017, 08:00:46 AM
Looks like onea the coolest headplate 60's I've seen yet.
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 13, 2017, 08:05:02 AM
Looks like onea the coolest headplate 60's I've seen yet.
Gfish
Im hoping when it is delivered the tail plate matches. Cant really tell from the crappy pic


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on October 13, 2017, 08:05:24 AM
I appreciate it Fred.
Daron

On the way today, Daron.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on October 13, 2017, 08:14:23 AM
Looks like onea the coolest headplate 60's I've seen yet.
Gfish
Im hoping when it is delivered the tail plate matches. Cant really tell from the crappy pic

I own't know, but it don't look like it do. That'ed be extra cool... Please post if it do?...
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 13, 2017, 09:17:46 AM
 Found this old relic a few months back on the big auction site for $32.50 total  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 13, 2017, 09:24:37 AM
   It doesn't look like it was ever used ! Great buy !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 15, 2017, 08:18:22 AM
Quote
Found this old relic a few months back on the big auction site for $32.50 total  Grin Grin


WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT FIND AT TRIPLE THE PRICE.       CONGRATS ON THE GREAT DEAL!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 15, 2017, 08:20:16 AM
Quote
Glad I wasn't asleep at the wheel on this one yesterday? $17 shipped!!


Rare find. Mottled plates on the Long Beach models are very difficult to find!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 15, 2017, 08:43:51 AM
Found this old relic a few months back on the big auction site for $32.50 total  ;D ;D
Now that is a Deal! Good work Ted. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 16, 2017, 03:13:42 PM

 I kinda promised myself I would slow down on buying old Penns from the big auction site. "Look but don't touch" works most the time ;) ;).......My plan "B" motto is don't hesitate to buy if the price is beyond rediculously low..... this time it is a full newell "99" jigmaster 500s with stock all steal internals. :o :o It might have been gently used once or twice, but who cares for $14.95 and $9.75 shipping. Seller had it advertised as a plain old 500s  ;D ;D

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on October 16, 2017, 03:28:21 PM
Very nice find at a fantastic price  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 16, 2017, 03:55:17 PM
I'm calling the police, because that is Grand Theft in a big way  :D :D  Good buy brother....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 16, 2017, 04:13:48 PM
Looks like onea the coolest headplate 60's I've seen yet.
Gfish
Im hoping when it is delivered the tail plate matches. Cant really tell from the crappy pic

I own't know, but it don't look like it do. That'ed be extra cool... Please post if it do?...
Gfish
So it got here and it does match, but my phone camera flash isnt near as good. Bonus find, when i went to put it on the display shelf i realized i had another one with the exact same mottling. Its bad when you forget you have stuff.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 16, 2017, 04:15:12 PM
  Good deal ! An aluminum spool usually sells for more than that !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on October 16, 2017, 07:50:01 PM
Looks like onea the coolest headplate 60's I've seen yet.
Gfish
Im hoping when it is delivered the tail plate matches. Cant really tell from the crappy pic

I own't know, but it don't look like it do. That'ed be extra cool... Please post if it do?...
Gfish
So it got here and it does match, but my phone camera flash isnt near as good. Bonus find, when i went to put it on the display shelf i realized i had another one with the exact same mottling. Its bad when you forget you have stuff.

You might could sell this newest one to me. PM if interested.
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 16, 2017, 09:41:58 PM
Quote
I kinda promised myself I would slow down on buying old Penns from the big auction site. "Look but don't touch" works most the time Wink Wink.......My plan "B" motto is don't hesitate to buy if the price is beyond rediculously low..... this time it is a full newell "99" jigmaster 500s with stock all steal internals. Shocked Shocked It might have been gently used once or twice, but who cares for $14.95 and $9.75 shipping. Seller had it advertised as a plain old 500s  Grin Grin

It is not nice to take advantage of the Feeble Minded sellers............ That is the steal of the year...............!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 17, 2017, 05:46:17 AM
This one arrived yesterday as well. I hate to cross post like this, since Mike C and I have a conversation going in the Penn Vintage section.

(http://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=44882)

(http://www.pierandsurf.com/fishing-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=44922&d=1508247400)




Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on October 17, 2017, 07:00:50 AM

 I kinda promised myself I would slow down on buying old Penns from the big auction site. "Look but don't touch" works most the time ;) ;).......My plan "B" motto is don't hesitate to buy if the price is beyond rediculously low..... this time it is a full newell "99" jigmaster 500s with stock all steal internals. :o :o It might have been gently used once or twice, but who cares for $14.95 and $9.75 shipping. Seller had it advertised as a plain old 500s  ;D ;D

  Ted

Do you hear sirens??

I've found that a lot of sellers don't recognize the 99 width Jigmasters.  It can be hard to tell with the Newell spool because the width difference is not very much, but a sharp eye on the photos can catch it ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 17, 2017, 02:52:36 PM
This one showed up today. Thats all i got for now so I'll stop posting


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on October 18, 2017, 06:06:17 AM
Good luck finding better eyes than Ted ...and Ray for that matter.
Awesome score Ted... that’s a heck of a light weight reel that can be pushed to the limits with some SS internals.
Congrats,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 18, 2017, 06:18:10 AM
Quote
I've found that a lot of sellers don't recognize the 99 width Jigmasters.  It can be hard to tell with the Newell spool because the width difference is not very much, but a sharp eye on the photos can catch it Grin

That is so true.

Jigmaster 99 width on the right, Jigmaster 500 width on the left.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 19, 2017, 04:16:43 PM
Penn 155. Nice rings and handle. New stack.
$12.99 shipped.
The stand has some slight corrosion, but it is going to get narrowed, so it doesn't matter.
The rings are what I look at. They are hard to find like this.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Rancanfish on October 19, 2017, 04:55:07 PM
How many of 'those' spools do you have stashed lol?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 19, 2017, 05:08:23 PM
I really don't know the reel to spool ratio as of yet, but I'm leaning on too many reels. ;)
Monofil's, Beachmasters, Surfmasters.
The reels are getting more expensive and hard to find in decent shape.
I see lots in the $50 range that are crusty.
I'm proud of this find. ;)



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on October 20, 2017, 06:15:08 AM
   You said you were going to narrow it Daron...can you tell us what it's going to be...a 160 or 180? 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 20, 2017, 06:53:46 AM
29L-100 spool, stainless posts and 30-49 stand.
180 width.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 23, 2017, 03:05:23 PM
   I just got a couple "new" ones....a "501" size 500, and a 49. The jiggy has an aluminum spool...which I have been wanting to try.....my casting sucks ! It's a really clean reel...too clean, actually, as there wasn't a speck of lubrication...totally dry. That said, it really doesn't show any signs of use, let alone abuse !
   The 49 "looks new", as well....except for a bent reel stand. But , with no corrosion or rash, I guess I can spring for a new stad. The jiggy was $41.50, in my hand, and the 49 was &22.03.....the jiggy probably was "too much", but, I really wanted it !!LOL !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 23, 2017, 04:41:44 PM
Hey Crow I have an extra 49 stand. Its not perfect but its straight. If you want it you can have it. PM me your address and I'll drop it in the mail tomorrow
-Chris


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 23, 2017, 04:52:40 PM
Thanks !  I PM'd you.    I'm really liking the Mariner series of reels......and I haven't even "fished" one yet ! I especially like the "reverse reeling" thing. I usually fish my spinners that way..."back reeling". It works well , here in the river, but, when I try it on a big black drum, in the Gulf....I may need new fingers !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 24, 2017, 06:12:06 PM
Ohana at work....good job guys....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: coastal_dan on October 26, 2017, 08:31:57 AM
Some nice treasures showing up for sure.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on October 26, 2017, 01:32:38 PM
This came in the mail today, pretty rough but it was in my financial wheelhouse so I took a swing ( sorry watching too much baseball). I'm thinking late thirties 9/0?  I'll see if I can get it torn down over the weekend and cleaned up. Everything works but the outer rings are cracked and a little dented. Handle knob is nice and tight. I'll add it to my fledgling collection. Too bad it can't talk   Did it take a beating fishing or just getting knocked around in storage?  I'll stick to the former, much better story!
Sheridan


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 26, 2017, 01:46:34 PM
   I'm really liking that *oxblood* handle !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 26, 2017, 02:52:04 PM

 Another 1st generation 9/0......Looks like the original owner liked to fish with it. Cool stuff !!

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 26, 2017, 05:27:06 PM
I saw that one, but those two cracks on top of the rings looked like the grand canyon. ::)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 26, 2017, 05:49:06 PM
I think it will look good cleaned up. Good score! Post pics when you give her a bath


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on October 26, 2017, 06:02:28 PM
Yup they're toast, lots of crust,no clamp, no beauty queen. It's feels smooth like it works well,once that heavy spool gets spinning the free spool is good. Might be better to just leave the pitina and fish it a few times.
The seller sent a Orca leaflet in the box so I'm thinking it might look better inside than outside.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on October 26, 2017, 06:08:40 PM
Nice reel ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on October 27, 2017, 12:13:41 AM
We've all seen cracked rings because of the bakelite swelling.  But, has anyone ever seen a reel that warped or just blew up because of a cracked ring?  Even when cracked it is still providing support.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on October 27, 2017, 05:09:27 AM
These rings look cracked from over tightening or getting banged around or dropped. I have a 9/0 as a donor waiting for cortez side plates so I have some fresh rings if I need them. Not period correct but they'd work


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on October 28, 2017, 10:41:47 AM
I got a "gift" in today's mail ! I pulled off the bent reel stand, installed this one that Chris so kindly shared, and shined things up .a bit !
Looks a LOT better , now that things are "straight with the world" !   Waiting a chance to "pay it forward"...thanks again, Chris !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 29, 2017, 08:48:34 AM
Looks great!! Enjoy!
-Chris


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on October 29, 2017, 09:05:39 AM
Looks great!! Enjoy!
-Chris
Nice move Chris !! Good for you !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on November 01, 2017, 11:41:18 AM
Yup ! As Ringo say's..."I get by with a little help from my friends !"...Thanks, again !

It's a cold windy, rainy day here in northern Illinois....again ! So, I have been working on my "' $.99 special"  New guides.......probably would have been a neater job if I would have used duct tape (my wrapping skills suck !)......new varnish, the reel all cleaned up and lubed....some "salvaged" old-school nylon braid spooled up. It looks a "little" better than when I got it !  I "strung" it as a "lefty" !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 09, 2017, 05:19:00 PM
 Haven't had much time for searching lately, but clicked on fleabay last week and found a sleeper listing for one of my favorite reels. I was the only bidder which don't bother me a bit !! Nice of you guys (and gals) to let me win one once in a while  :D ;)

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on November 09, 2017, 06:05:30 PM
Looks to be a "cherry" !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 09, 2017, 06:17:06 PM
Very nice one  :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on November 09, 2017, 07:25:36 PM
I love the anniversary reels and that one is so minty sexy!
Nice find Ted,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 10, 2017, 12:21:44 PM
I had to get this 6/0  ::)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 10, 2017, 01:10:13 PM

 Benni, that's a 1940's model and looks to be 100% era correct. Bet it's caught lots of fish stories !!

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on November 10, 2017, 01:12:53 PM
I had to get this 6/0  ::)

looks like its ready to get a smallmouth bass  :P :P


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 10, 2017, 01:55:09 PM
Thanks ted it looks like it will clean up nice  :D and Alex the clips are in the mail  :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on November 10, 2017, 01:58:50 PM
I had to get this 6/0  ::)

Looks ilke it needed you too.
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on November 10, 2017, 05:35:35 PM
Hello Ted,

Your 114H reel would out dazzle Christmas decorations. Great pick up.

Ray


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 16, 2017, 05:47:16 PM

 I love it when I find old Penns with 70+ year old line....It's a good sign that it hasn't been used for eons.

 This is a all original pre 1950 squidder as found.....

  .....and pic #2 after it got a once over


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on November 16, 2017, 05:52:31 PM
Nice find !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 16, 2017, 05:52:57 PM

 .....and the "money shot" for any squidder is always the tailplate. This one is very nice indeed !! I really lucked out on this one  8)  8) Squidders from the 40's in this condition are like hens teeth  :D :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on November 16, 2017, 06:08:59 PM
That there is a Ted reel.  Minty-fresh.

 ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on November 19, 2017, 09:01:21 AM
I'm visiting a friend in Cleveland and just for the heck of it looked in the local Craig's list and found this '33 Kingfisher 250-yard reel for sale for $20. It's worth 4x that and will probably clean up pretty nicely, and it's completely correct for the year. It's probably not seen action for 3 or 4 decades. I'll work with it sometime after I get home. Pretty happy with this find! :) Not sure what I'll find under the line, but I'm in Ohio and there's no salt water around, so that may not be a problem. For $20 I didn't care.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 19, 2017, 09:14:31 AM
Love it sid,,,, great find,,,have you seen any corn and those big electric wind mills up there  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on November 19, 2017, 09:19:32 AM
    Ya' did good on that, Sid !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on November 19, 2017, 09:45:16 AM
Thanks guys. Haven't seen any windmills Benni even though we were at the Rock and Roll HOF a few days ago, and that was right on the lake. Not sure where they are.

I got the line off and the spool that was beneath is in pretty good shape. This will be a good addition to my collection.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 19, 2017, 10:09:34 AM
You got to love those old 30's Penns and that's a nice one,,,,and Ohio is a nice state with very nice people enjoy your time up there sid  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 19, 2017, 11:19:36 AM

 Very nice find Sid......you are the masta of your domain !!

  Keep up the good work my friend and thanks for sharing !!

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on November 19, 2017, 02:34:05 PM
Nothing wrong with a Long Beach Kingfisher for $20... nice score, Sid!
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 20, 2017, 06:03:34 AM
Quote
I'm visiting a friend in Cleveland and just for the heck of it looked in the local Craig's list and found this '33 Kingfisher 250-yard reel for sale for $20. It's worth 4x that and will probably clean up pretty nicely, and it's completely correct for the year. It's probably not seen action for 3 or 4 decades. I'll work with it sometime after I get home. Pretty happy with this find! Smiley Not sure what I'll find under the line, but I'm in Ohio and there's no salt water around, so that may not be a problem. For $20 I didn't care.

Where I am from, this is known as a "Can't get the money out fast enough", "A Steal". "No Brainer" kind of deal". Penn reels are increasing in value so much that the Price Guide I wrote five years ago will be good for starting fires and not much else. Deals like this used to be common, happened every day; but, not so much anymore. I remember a 1932 Model K in a 1933 Long Beach box sell for $10.00 in 2003. No one took Penn reels seriously as collectibles back then; but, today things are different.

Give that reel the Ted M. effect and you will get 10 times what you paid for it. You hit a "New York Home Run" Sid, Congrats!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on November 20, 2017, 07:59:53 AM
   Way ta go Sid! Welcome to the Buckeye state and enjoy your visit. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 20, 2017, 12:02:08 PM
 Well this one isn't mine, but was recently picked up by Broadway Dom.

  I'm having issues sending his pics to my computer, so here is his pic right off my phone.

 This is right up there with the nicest model f known to exist. Click on the pic for enlarged view

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on November 20, 2017, 12:44:19 PM
That must be what they mean when they say, "Gently used" !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 21, 2017, 12:19:25 AM
Quote
Well this one isn't mine, but was recently picked up by Broadway Dom.

  I'm having issues sending his pics to my computer, so here is his pic right off my phone.

 This is right up there with the nicest model f known to exist. Click on the pic for enlarged view

This is the best one I have ever seen. looks like """New Old Stock""", absolutely  the number 1 Model F in terms of condition.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on November 21, 2017, 06:03:14 AM
Way to go Dom! Beautiful reel! Glad it's in the Ohana!

Where I am from, this is known as a "Can't get the money out fast enough", "A Steal". "No Brainer" kind of deal".
Yeah, I took one glance at it, handed her $20, said, "Now it's mine" and then told her a little history of the reel. I'm back home, have some things to catch up with, also have a '33 Sea Hawk I have to clean up. They'll be shelf buddies....

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on November 21, 2017, 07:25:41 AM
Sid, Dom;
   VERY nice reels. They still keep turning up.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: coastal_dan on November 21, 2017, 09:30:27 AM
 :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 21, 2017, 12:05:05 PM

This is the best one I have ever seen. looks like """New Old Stock""", absolutely  the number 1 Model F in terms of condition.

 Another tidbit about this model f is it was purchased in 1931 and was the 1st one produced in accordance with the original owner......how's that for some earth shattering news !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on November 21, 2017, 12:53:43 PM
    Thanks for the compliments guys. She is all original and has been gone through with a fine tooth comb (or toothbrush). When I received her she was just covered in "old crust" which evidently wasn't very permanent.
The only real place (some screw heads had light corrosion that I neutralized to stop the ill-effects) there was corrosion was the spool arbor and the very bottom of the side spool flanges.  It looks to me that very little line was ever put on this reel and don't believe it received much use at all.  I'm thrilled to be the new caretaker of this reel as it sits proudly among it's very close, long lost siblings for me and my family to enjoy.
Thanks for posting the photo, Ted.  Also, I have to ask Ted if he'll post a letter that may be of some importance to the history of Penn reels.
Keep up the hunt,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on November 21, 2017, 02:37:29 PM
Wow Dom!

Way to go on that one.

That is the nicest one I have ever seen.  A cornerstone piece for sure.

 :o :o :o

Looks like Christmas came early ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 21, 2017, 02:51:32 PM
Holy S@!T DOM! I'm floored by that mod F!! Awesome is an understatement!! ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on November 21, 2017, 03:29:49 PM
Wow! if there is a penn museum that would be a cornerstone


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on November 21, 2017, 06:13:13 PM
Holy S@!T DOM! I'm floored by that mod F!! Awesome is an understatement!! ;D

Like he said.......Incredible brother.....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Dominick on November 21, 2017, 06:22:00 PM
Yo! Broadway Dom strikes again. Way to go Dom.  I'm waiting for the letter.  Dominick


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 21, 2017, 09:04:49 PM

 Here is the letter Dom is referring to. I'm splitting the letter into 3 pics so it can be read.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 21, 2017, 09:07:34 PM
 ...and the letter itself

 ....click on pic to enlarge


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: coastal_dan on November 22, 2017, 07:17:39 AM
That is so freakin' neat, what a special item.  Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on November 22, 2017, 07:21:20 AM
Brother Dom, I think it's time for an updated photo of your fantastic display case.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on November 22, 2017, 09:28:52 AM
So in this letter dated April of 1993 this guy says the first Penn reels were sold in 1931 when we have all this time been thinking the prototypes came out in '32 and the first year of production was '33. In 1993, when this letter was written, the reel was about 60 years old, and I have to assume the writer was going by a 60-year old memory. I just re-read the first few chapters of Mike's blue book about the first few years of the Penn company. There are dated receipts for the first plate molds from Kuhn and Jacobs, and sales receipts for sales to Edward K Tryon. On page 11, in the section written by Steve Vernon, it says Otto quit Ocean City in 1930. This would have made 1931 prototypes possible, but I think it more likely (at this point, with what I know now) that the writer of the above note mis-remembered by one year, and he should have written '32 instead of '31. I hope some interesting discussion follows.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on November 22, 2017, 10:49:44 AM
So in this letter dated April of 1993 this guy says the first Penn reels were sold in 1931 when we have all this time been thinking the prototypes came out in '32 and the first year of production was '33. In 1993, when this letter was written, the reel was about 60 years old, and I have to assume the writer was going by a 60-year old memory. I just re-read the first few chapters of Mike's blue book about the first few years of the Penn company. There are dated receipts for the first plate molds from Kuhn and Jacobs, and sales receipts for sales to Edward K Tryon. On page 11, in the section written by Steve Vernon, it says Otto quit Ocean City in 1930. This would have made 1931 prototypes possible, but I think it more likely (at this point, with what I know now) that the writer of the above note mis-remembered by one year, and he should have written '32 instead of '31. I hope some interesting discussion follows.

That is a great point/observation Sid.  I suspect an error was made in the letter, but it can not be simply ignored either.  It seems possible that the gift was made in 1931, but not actually produced/delivered until 1932.  If this letter is to be taken as fact, then it would indeed re-write the history books on the first year of production, and possible provide some suggestion as to what the first reel model, and in fact first actual reel, to be produced by Penn.  Although, I think this is somewhat unlikely.  Maybe Dom, or Ted can let us know if there were any marks left on the inside of the sideplate by the mold?

Seems like there is always something new turning up with regards to the early history of Penn.  However, one must be careful to read too much into evidence of this sort.

Regardless, this reel and associated letter are most certainly historically significant pieces.

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 22, 2017, 07:10:57 PM
No doubt this is a fantastic reel, the best "Model F" I have ever seen, it is kind of Earth shattering to believe it is a pre-1932 reel. I do not want to bust anyone's bubble about documentation; but, the early records of the Model F and K reels are fairly well documented. I do not believe it is possible for a Model F to exist in a completely ready for the market version in 1931.

I will simply put up a few photos.

The Model F Patent with its filing date of July 30, 1932.

The next photos are of the Model F prototype, which I own. The only known prototype of the actual patent. The prototype has no logo and other differences. The prototype is also chrome Plated. This is the only Model F prototype ever discovered as far as I know and it was found at the Penn Plant in 2003 in the office of a upper executive.
              The chrome plated Model F is unique. It never left the Penn Plant and as far as I know is the First Penn reel, although I cannot prove that.

This being said, I still feel Dominick's Model F is the best one I have ever seen and is no doubt a centerpiece for his collection.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on November 22, 2017, 08:13:14 PM
Sid and John,
    I am going to try to find more out about this letter after Thanksgiving.  There was an envelope holding both the envelope and the letter Ted so kindly posted for me that has a name and  address on it that I will be contacting shortly.  The envelope was sent to Al Munger (One of the big reasons fishing reels are collectible and an author of many reel collecting books) who has since passed on.   I was fortunate to buy this from his collection of special reels.  
   Paul Ludtke opened a wholesale sporting goods store in Philly in 1932, ironically. That being said, I'm pretty sure he remembered the date correctly as he would've known if it were before or after his store opened, but what do I know.  Clearly, Paul wasn't winning any spelling bees or grammar contests, but he even remembered the guys name who bought the first Penn Reel (Walter Hatly) so his mind still seemed sharp.  There is a KJ (circle K) inside the plates but I suppose there could've been an order for a certain amount of sample plates so Otto could make sure things were gonna jive before he plunged into this too deep.  Most people do a sample or test run before ordering thousands of parts so I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened here.  Lastly,  Otto may have left OC in 1930 but like most hard working people they get their ducks in a row before they leave a job especially during such hard times.  While I don't know if any of this is fact I do know it's worth looking into.   Mike, Ray, Brian, and the rest of you Penn historians need to chime in so we can get to the bottom of this.  I look forward to hearing others thoughts and ideas.
Thanks crew,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on November 22, 2017, 08:23:04 PM
Mike,
  Somehow your posting didn't pop up until I posted my last posting.  Every time I see that prototype Model F my envy meter goes way up!  The chrome was later added, correct?
There's no busting any bubbles here... I just wanna get to the bottom of that letter.  Mike, do you know if Paul Ludtke was related to the Henze family as the letter is signed "Uncle Paul?"
I appreciate your insight and while I believe every word you're saying, do you think there is something to this letter?  Let's say he got the date wrong and it was supposed to be 1932 could it be that it's the first production Model F ever sold? ...it would seem plausible. I also like how he mentions that Penn reels and ephemera are now becoming collectible, i.e., the ashtrays and thermometers.  Any more info that I receive I will post in this thread. 
Thank you and let me know when you wanna sell that reel, Mike. :o
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on November 22, 2017, 09:54:17 PM
All,

I'd expect the moulds to be quite expensive and as such I doubt that the mould makers would make the moulds for the making of prototype reels without charging Otto there and then .

If they were charged for the prototype moulds when first made they would not be charged again , unless they were remodelled and made again. Not likely to make such a costly mistake for an infant business watching costs.

If is possible to find the Invoice date for the moulds I believe that will help with the manufacturing date.  My opinion only.

Ray


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on November 22, 2017, 10:17:27 PM
An invoice for plate moulds would certainly tell more of the story --

But as for a company not charging up front for the moulds...

Otto was well regarded in the industry, and also had many previous contacts, suppliers, and friends that he developed relationships with over the years at OC.

We were a couple of years into the Great Depression that lasted around 12 years.  Craftsmen and equipment were easy to obtain -- particularly if the slight hopeful promise of more business down the road if the Penn experiment became successful was a possibility. 

So it wasn't like it is today -- cash on the barrelhead, or no product.  People wanted work and a future, machinery was idled, soup lines were around the block -- other forces were at the forefront of business motives.

So we need to look at things through the lens of the times also.

Even though a fresh startup -- Otto was well known to those suppliers in the industry -- both as a smart engineer -- but also a man of integrity -- who would pay his bills promptly when an agreement was concluded.

Things were different in those days --

This will be a neat mystery to unravel, if possible.

But one thing for sure -- if this is not the Penn Holy Grail, it sits in the same vicinity.

Glad it found a good home.

Congratulations, Dom!

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: erikpowell on November 22, 2017, 11:05:54 PM
Bula All,

Dom, Bula! and congratulations!
That is a beautiful find and with an incredible history & story!
I hope it pans out as you said.
It sure seems likely, especially considering Fred's wealth of input regarding those times.
I think Fred may have nailed it….. Old school business ways amongst gentlemen in trying times…. and you may never find a paper trail.
What a score of true museum quality!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 22, 2017, 11:10:01 PM
Congratulations on that Piece of True Penn History Dom.
Can't think of a better place it needs to be right now. ;)
Erik,
It is good to see you old friend. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on November 22, 2017, 11:19:52 PM
Erik --

Good to hear from you.

You have been missed!

Fill us in...

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 23, 2017, 10:49:47 AM
Just a thought before I go overeat. The chrome plating on my old prototype is original. The clicker button is unique to 1932 and 1933 and could not have been chrome plated after it was installed on the tail plate.

The side plates are not Kuhn-Jacobs, they are early hand molded plates. They have no markings. If a reel has  Circle K on the side plates, it is 1932 or later.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on November 23, 2017, 12:21:06 PM
Well I know this is going to get trampled by the "Model F controversy" but it's a pre part number 12/0 I bought of ebay a couple months ago and I just cleaned it up yesterday. I am not great a dating Penn reels like most of the rest of you but I am thinking 1940 or so ?  Dom your model F is sweet no mater date it was made !!! Congrats on that one !!!

Happy Thanksgiving to all !!       John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on November 23, 2017, 12:28:51 PM
John Thorhammer, Photos to come, pal.
Thanks John Bullseye, you have quite a nice early 12/0 right there.  Beautiful restorative cleaning you've done.  
I personally, can't lay an exact date on her but she is an early second gen so probably '40-'42, certainly pre war.
Also, I'm a sucker for handles and that is one heck of a handle on her.
Mike, That chrome is surprising on such an early Penn reel.  Beautiful! ...and I see what you mean about the clicker button.
I will do some more research and keep you all posted.
Erik, Great to hear from you and thanks for the nice words.  Hope to see you around more as I miss seeing some sizable fish caught on those 9/0's. ;)
Fred,  Thanks for your input, as usual, it is very true and while I don't know what this letter means I will do my best to find out some more info.  I will take good care of the letter as I do all my babies. 
Daron, She'll be held with great curiosity and care. Thank you!
Enjoy filling those bellies,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 23, 2017, 07:47:05 PM
Quote
Well I know this is going to get trampled by the "Model F controversy" but it's a pre part number 12/0 I bought of ebay a couple months ago and I just cleaned it up yesterday. I am not great a dating Penn reels like most of the rest of you but I am thinking 1940 or so ?

Happy Thanksgivings John. My humble opinion on this reel is that it is a late 1940's post-war reel because of the obvious fact that it is a second generation reel and that the spool is pinned and not drilled. I would think pre-war reels had drilled spools and the info is still controversial on whether the second gen build style for the Model 116 exists in a pre-war time zone for production reels. Maybe someone can document that (I just found a 12/0 second gen picture from 1941). The catalogs say it ain't so...........


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on November 24, 2017, 02:51:36 AM
Quote
Well I know this is going to get trampled by the "Model F controversy" but it's a pre part number 12/0 I bought of ebay a couple months ago and I just cleaned it up yesterday. I am not great a dating Penn reels like most of the rest of you but I am thinking 1940 or so ?

Happy Thanksgivings John. My humble opinion on this reel is that it is a late 1940's post-war reel because of the obvious fact that it is a second generation reel and that the spool is pinned and not drilled. I would think pre-war reels had drilled spools and the info is still controversial on whether the second gen build style for the Model 116 exists in a pre-war time zone for production reels. Maybe someone can document that. The catalogs say it ain't so...........
Again I am far from a Penn expert !!  I was thinking because of the way "Penn Senator 12/0" was written on head plate and that it had the "coin edge" type counter balance it was an earlier 2nd gen. I hadn't even thought about pinned spool ?   I guess I will spend some time in your books today !!    Thanks Mike !         John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on November 24, 2017, 03:34:36 AM
John, while I know where Mike sits on the “first gen and second gen topic” others believe there are pre war
12/0’s in the second gen style. There have been several debates on this topic. No matter what that’s a First Class 40’s 12/0 ya got there.
Enjoy her and yes, read mike’s books for sure. Tons of info in them.
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on November 24, 2017, 07:14:56 AM
That 12/0 does look very nice, great job on cleaning it up. early 40's,late 40's still a beauty of an old penn.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 24, 2017, 11:01:11 AM
Quote
Again I am far from a Penn expert !!  I was thinking because of the way "Penn Senator 12/0" was written on head plate and that it had the "coin edge" type counter balance it was an earlier 2nd gen. I hadn't even thought about pinned spool ?   I guess I will spend some time in your books today !!    Thanks Mike !         John Taylor

The pinned spool is what makes me think your 12/0 is post war. We are really splitting hairs here. Even though the catalog ads for the 12/0 say the first gen did not exist until after the war, I can prove that wrong. There are early 1940's pre-war photos of second gen 12/0's. The last page of the 1941 catalog has a photo of a second gen 12/0 (see it in my Yellow Book, page 100, lower right photo). I do not dispute that, just that spool makes me think yours is a post war reel. I could be wrong, no real way of knowing without a box and catalog match for the reel. The coin edge handle and free spool lever could be pre or post war.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on November 24, 2017, 11:10:23 AM
Mike
How about the logo doesn't that look early or did they use the same logo after the war ?   John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 24, 2017, 11:26:22 AM
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Mike
How about the logo doesn't that look early or did they use the same logo after the war ?   John

No doubt that your reel is wearing a first generation logo. Here is a picture of a first generation reel wearing a second generation logo. That sort of shoots the logo theories down. The logos are the results of interchangeable mold plugs that were reused for many years.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on November 24, 2017, 11:30:16 AM
Oh well I do like the reel !!   Thanks for all the info.   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 24, 2017, 11:34:25 AM
Quote
Oh well I do like the reel !!   Thanks for all the info.   John Taylor

The reel is fabulous. Now you need to find a Lighthouse box and a appropriate catalog and remove all doubt of this reels origins for future generations.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 24, 2017, 12:02:48 PM
Very Nice 12/0 John. :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on November 24, 2017, 12:40:27 PM
Very Nice 12/0 John. :o
Thanks Daron !  I think I like that little Everol 7 1/2 I just got better though !    John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on November 24, 2017, 12:45:54 PM
Thanks for posting that photo, Mike.  I have never seen a first gen 12/0 with the "Second Gen" logo. Cool reel and one more "tell-tale" down the tubes. :-\
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on November 24, 2017, 02:07:23 PM
Thanks for posting that photo, Mike.  I have never seen a first gen 12/0 with the "Second Gen" logo. Cool reel and one more "tell-tale" down the tubes. :-\
Dom


Good point.

Prewar handle counterweight, 2nd gen gearbox, 2nd gen logo, likely an early post-war with a prewar handle.  However, I am in the camp that believes there were 2nd gen gearbox senators manufactured prewar.  Mike's point on catalogs is well taken though. 

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 24, 2017, 03:48:10 PM
Interesting photo of a second generation build style Penn Senator 12/0 taken probably around 1939 or 40  and published on the back cover page of the Penn Catalog #9 (1941). Reel should not exist according to the catalogs.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 24, 2017, 04:02:30 PM
Quote
Thanks for posting that photo, Mike.  I have never seen a first gen 12/0 with the "Second Gen" logo. Cool reel and one more "tell-tale" down the tubes. Undecided
Dom

I believe this reel now lives in Australia at Ray's house. I dated this reel as a 1942 reel because it had a heavy stand with 1/4 clamp screws and the more modern logo. I placed it as pre-war reel because even though the logo was more modern, it was a first gen configuration and it also had a drilled spool. That drilled spool I feel is a key factor in approximating a Senator pre or post war status when the reel's other dating factors become questionable. It is just my opinion, but, I feel it works.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on November 27, 2017, 10:52:43 PM
This came in the mail today, pretty rough but it was in my financial wheelhouse so I took a swing ( sorry watching too much baseball). I'm thinking late thirties 9/0?  I'll see if I can get it torn down over the weekend and cleaned up. Everything works but the outer rings are cracked and a little dented. Handle knob is nice and tight. I'll add it to my fledgling collection. Too bad it can't talk   Did it take a beating fishing or just getting knocked around in storage?  I'll stick to the former, much better story!
Sheridan

We'll finally had some time and tore it down. What a mess. Simple green vinegar  simachrome and a set of rings and it came out ok  works fine and would fish ok I bet. No shelf queen but I'll add it to the self


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 27, 2017, 11:06:50 PM
Very Nice 12/0 John. :o
Thanks Daron !  I think I like that little Everol 7 1/2 I just got better though !    John Taylor
Show me when you get it.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 30, 2017, 07:45:44 PM
I believe this reel now lives in Australia at Ray's house. I dated this reel as a 1942 reel because it had a heavy stand with 1/4 clamp screws and the more modern logo. I placed it as pre-war reel because even though the logo was more modern, it was a first gen configuration and it also had a drilled spool. That drilled spool I feel is a key factor in approximating a Senator pre or post war status when the reel's other dating factors become questionable. It is just my opinion, but, I feel it works.
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 So now that I'm thoroughly confused...This 2nd gen 12/0 has 1st gen logo, large studs, and no pin on the spool. I think it's time to throw everything out the window and rethink these timelines that don't add up that are sometimes based on a single component


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on December 01, 2017, 06:28:14 AM
Picked up this 111 2/0. Has the old black box and everything but the catalog. I'm yrying to figure out the year but I couldn't with "the book". Has part numbers on the handle nut and bushings but not on the foot. Has external opening drags. Pretty good shape happy I found it
Thanks


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on December 01, 2017, 07:20:31 AM
Nice one!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on December 01, 2017, 03:07:52 PM
Swami805,

The $15.00 price on the box indicates 1946-50 in "The Book"  . Part numbers are also post war late 40's .

Ray


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on December 01, 2017, 07:58:41 PM
Picked up this 111 2/0. Has the old black box and everything but the catalog. I'm yrying to figure out the year but I couldn't with "the book". Has part numbers on the handle nut and bushings but not on the foot. Has external opening drags. Pretty good shape happy I found it
Thanks
It's got a mix of numbered/non-numbered parts, and as Ray said the price works for '46-'50, I'm going to go with 1950 based on the mixed parts numbers.....

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on December 01, 2017, 08:36:23 PM
Thanks. Wasn't sure when they quit the external drag. Never had one before. Looks like a tough little reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 01, 2017, 11:35:32 PM
Thanks. Wasn't sure when they quit the external drag. Never had one before. Looks like a tough little reel.

 Nice reel and box.

 Mike will know more


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 02, 2017, 10:46:16 PM
The Senator 2/0 is a Long Beach Deluxe, not really a Long Beach. The box is a late 1940's box, might be some left over boxes in the 1950's with this label. Reel should not have part numbers; but, who knows what parts were added during the servicing of the reel over the years.

The external drags on the Senator 2/0 officially went away in the 1956 catalog. All previous years had external drags, except for 1954 / 55. In those years guessing must be done because the small 1/0, 2/0 & 3/0 Senators were not pictured in the catalog, they were just listed in the text. That makes me feel that during those 54 / 55 production years, if you bought a Senator 2/0 it was likely to come either way. Penn was transitioning the model from external to internal drags.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on December 03, 2017, 06:54:32 AM
Thank you
The reel had been serviced at some point before I got it. Super clean inside and still had oil in the felt washer. Had some corrosion but cleaned up ok with vinegar and simple green
I have a few old long beaches, still looking for a deluxe in decent shape to come along
Sheridan


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on December 10, 2017, 11:36:51 AM
Here is one I got a couple of months ago. Long Beach 66 made for Abbey & Imbrie. The reel had this blue painted wood handle on it. This is what the seller had to say about the reel.
    "Here is a seldom seen Abbey Imbrie casting reel, a Penn Long Beach 400 yard trade reel.  This is a pre-war (probably early 1940's) reel with engraved tail plate, long counterbalance, and no parts numbers, marked 400 YDS on the foot (stand).  Handle knob is wooden, asymmetrical, and repainted (blue paint on the handle stem).  I showed photos to a well known Penn collector and he believes the handle knob is original - "very unique but it resembles other wood knobs on the big game reels".  Please enlarge closeup photos and judge for yourself.  Shows light finish wear.  Cranks smoothly and the free spool lever, click, and star drag work.  A fine addition to your collection!"
 Here are photos of the grasp with and without the blue paint. Also a photo of the " Broom Stick" grasp that Penn used on their first gen. 9/0.
    What do all of you think about the grasp??
  I have been able to get a pre war 67 to get a handle from. The 66, 67 use the same handle and plates. The tail plate on the 67 also has a chip in it so it. I would still like to find a better handle for the reel. This is also the reel that I'm trying to get a tail plate for as this one has a chip out of it.
    Something else that I felt was interesting about the Abbey & Imbrie reel and the reel I got for the handle is that they both have a Pinned spool not drilled. I feel that both reels are from 1940 as they have the Hersey Kiss clicker button and do not have the foot that uses a rod clamp. I don't feel that they are from 1939 as then they would have the waffle clicker button.  The catalog for 1941 shows the all Long beach reels with the new foot that has the rod clamp. from looking at the reels I feel that are the original spools and were not replaced at a later date.
     I felt this was interesting because a few post back ( John Taylor's early 12/0 ) there was some discussion about pinned spools not being pre-war.
 
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Well I know this is going to get trampled by the "Model F controversy" but it's a pre part number 12/0 I bought of ebay a couple months ago and I just cleaned it up yesterday. I am not great a dating Penn reels like most of the rest of you but I am thinking 1940 or so ?

Happy Thanksgivings John. My humble opinion on this reel is that it is a late 1940's post-war reel because of the obvious fact that it is a second generation reel and that the spool is pinned and not drilled. I would think pre-war reels had drilled spools and the info is still controversial on whether the second gen build style for the Model 116 exists in a pre-war time zone for production reels. Maybe someone can document that (I just found a 12/0 second gen picture from 1941). The catalogs say it ain't so...........
  Does anyone have pre-war reels that have pinned spools that came with box and catalog?
 I will have to do more than one post for all the photos.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on December 10, 2017, 11:43:11 AM
More photos for the Abbey & Imbrie reel. The last one is the grasp from the 9/0. 3 more photos after these.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on December 10, 2017, 11:46:24 AM
Last 3 photos.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on December 10, 2017, 12:11:16 PM
Your wood knob looks home made to me.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on December 10, 2017, 02:31:07 PM
Brian,
  I wanted that reel pretty bad, but evidently you wanted it more. Happy it's in a good home. 
As for the pinned spool.  I agree with you in saying there were pre war pinned spools and it looks like you have one right there.
The grasps looks to be homemade not just by the simple fact that it's not peened the same way, but also, I think Penn would have made it more uniform.   Also, I;m not sure what type of wood that is but I never saw a Penn handle made from it.  Just some observations, I look forward to the gurus answering in.
Thanks for showing that rare bird,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on December 10, 2017, 03:25:26 PM
Hello Brian,

I have not seen that fat blue handle before although its shape reminds me of Ocean City's Long Key handle of around 1939 .

The LB Deluxe spools changed from drilled to line posts in the same 40/41 era.

Ray


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on December 12, 2017, 08:50:03 AM
Over in the Monterey Peninsula area for a few days celebrating our Anniversary.

Hit a couple of antique warehouses, found a bunch of over-priced reels and junky rods.

However, did find a maroon Squidder 140 for $24 with an incorrect box, clamps, and wrench.

Also found an old Seaford with the brown sideplates for $25.

Both should clean up nicely.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on December 12, 2017, 09:31:28 AM
That was worth the stop.  Seaford looks to be in pretty good condition, ant that was an absolute steel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on December 12, 2017, 10:40:47 AM
They are still out there. Nice find.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on December 12, 2017, 12:09:39 PM
Good find, Fred! Enjoy your time away.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 12, 2017, 10:50:15 PM
Great find Fred! The Sea Ford is the surprise. Squidder's from the  1960's are great fishing reels. I always like finding a Squidder of any size at the right price; but, the Sea Ford is special. Don't see them everyday!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on December 13, 2017, 02:16:36 PM
   Nice score Fred! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 13, 2017, 03:00:48 PM

 You did well Fred  :o :o

 Both should clean up nice

   Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 13, 2017, 03:47:23 PM
Man you guys have been posting some great stuff lately. I have been in a slump. This one showed up today. I didnt have to touch it. Its a Seagate but i dont know what year. $19 plus shipping





Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 13, 2017, 05:24:18 PM

 ....ooh la la, nice score on the seagate in absolutely superb condition !!

 I'm seeing all the signs of pre-war 41/42 era..... Congrats !!

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on December 14, 2017, 05:46:57 AM
   Yes sir...that's a very clean Seagate! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 14, 2017, 07:20:14 AM
Can u guys tell me if it is an all original Seagate?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on December 14, 2017, 07:38:43 AM
Can u guys tell me if it is an all original Seagate?
   Nice looking reel. Looks like it to me.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on December 14, 2017, 08:02:01 AM
Here is a early second generation 14/0 I got a little while ago. This version of the 14/0 & 16/0 are often over looked. We know that by March of 1942 the 14/0 and 16/0 were second generation with the new large drags because of adds that show this.  I feel that the early second generation of these reels ( ones that still used the 12/0 drags ) were made for a year or less. Anyone have any information they can add about these early second generation reels?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on December 14, 2017, 08:18:23 AM
Man you guys have been posting some great stuff lately. I have been in a slump. This one showed up today. I didnt have to touch it. Its a Seagate but i dont know what year. $19 plus shipping

There are experts on our site who will know -- one has already chimed in, Ted.  Others will be along shortly.

I am far from an expert on these -- but just pulled out a couple from the Penn bone bins -- and one seems older with the wood grip, hex clicker, and bakelite spool.  One seems a little newer.  Both have picture engraved tailplates.

It is easy over the years for parts to get mixed up on these due to necessity and common fit.  But yours looks pretty cool and original to my untrained eye.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 14, 2017, 12:39:04 PM

 Both are Pre war Fred  ;D ;D

 The Seagate is a pre war reel that didn't show up in the 1946 catalog....or did it ?? ;D ;D

 I'll let you make a logical assumption as to why it was discontinued....or not: (deep breath) ;)

 The seagate was always a dressed down, less expensive long beach 60. The 60 had metal spool, while the seagate had plastic. Just prior to the war Penn started putting plastic spools on the long beach 60 & 65, which basically was now the same as a seagate. After the war all long beach 60 reels came with plastic spools(metal was extra option) until 1948. For those years the long beach 60 was actually more like a rebranded seagate than a long beach.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on December 14, 2017, 02:54:47 PM

 Both are Pre war Fred  ;D ;D

 The Seagate is a pre war reel that didn't show up in the 1946 catalog....or did it ?? ;D ;D

 I'll let you make a logical assumption as to why it was discontinued....or not: (deep breath) ;)

 The seagate was always a dressed down, less expensive long beach 60. The 60 had metal spool, while the seagate had plastic. Just prior to the war Penn started putting plastic spools on the long beach 60 & 65, which basically was now the same as a seagate. After the war all long beach 60 reels came with plastic spools(metal was extra option) until 1948. For those years the long beach 60 was actually more like a rebranded seagate than a long beach.

Thanks for the clarifications, Ted --

As for discontinued -- knucklebusters were always something we would rather forget.

Doing a few groups of DAM Quick and Mitchell restorations, along with repairs & servicing other reels today --

In between parts getting washed and drying -- I went ahead and cleaned up the old Seaford a bit.

Nothing like you, Mike, Ray, Mo, Sid, Sal, Dom, and a few others on here would do -- but for a quick and dirty job -- it now has 40 seconds of freespool with no line on the spool -- and is at least a little more presentable.

What is interesting to me about this reel -- I gave my last and only Seaford to Daron a year or two ago in a trade for some Senators and Quicks.  Never expected or figured I would get another -- and this one comes along.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 14, 2017, 03:39:13 PM
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Nothing like you, Mike, Ray, Mo, Sid, Sal, Dom, and a few others on here would do -- but for a quick and dirty job -- it now has 40 seconds of freespool with no line on the spool -- and is at least a little more presentable.

Fred, it looks as good as anyone else would do. These old pre-war models were used to death. They were the Go-To reel for the hungry American family man. I believe you have rescued a fine old soldier.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on December 14, 2017, 03:56:10 PM
That cleaned up nicely!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 14, 2017, 04:00:59 PM
Fred I love it!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on December 14, 2017, 04:07:08 PM
Looks great !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on December 14, 2017, 04:47:53 PM
Very nicely done, hard to believe that's the same reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 14, 2017, 04:54:35 PM
I believe that was an Anglesea Fred. ;)
You really show your skill level with that restoration. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on December 14, 2017, 05:52:38 PM
Fred, that turned out great! Ted would be proud of that job! Interesting look to the oil port in the handle side bearing, is it chromed? It looks to be wider as well....


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on December 14, 2017, 07:15:14 PM
Fred,
   Mike was spot on... I don't see how any one of the people you mentioned or anyone else for that matter could do any better breathing life into that old gal.  Beautifully done Fred.
I really did't think it would turn out that good to be honest with you.  The spool, the stand and pretty much all the external parts appeared to have been considerably destroyed by corrosion.... I was wrong.
Well done, Fred
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on December 14, 2017, 08:28:25 PM
Very nice work.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: STRIPER LOU on December 15, 2017, 04:38:48 AM
Excellent job Fred. Looks like new and works even better I'm sure with the Master's Midas touch!

............Lou


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on December 15, 2017, 07:43:58 AM
I really did't think it would turn out that good to be honest with you.  The spool, the stand and pretty much all the external parts appeared to have been considerably destroyed by corrosion.

   Dom brings up a point here that I have been researching...these older reels with the satin plating(was it nickel?) clean up better than newer reels with bright chrome plating. Some also have German silver instead of brass parts...it doesn't show finish damage as bad. Note how the spool, posts, stand, and handle were covered in a sorta black tarnish vs. the usual green growth. These are the reels that clean up nice and still have that beautiful patina...Fred's reel is an excellent example. Top shelf resto Fred! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: kungajim on December 15, 2017, 09:22:20 AM
hey all-

I haven't bee too active on this site, but now that it's officially winter up in the Northeast, its time to clean up the gear, etc.  I also just purchased these older Penns off the interweb and wanted to show them off.  they are all in good working condition, just need to be cleaned, greased etc.  so far all I've done is wipe off the dust and put them on the shelf.

first the Penn 15


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: kungajim on December 15, 2017, 09:24:49 AM
next my favorite of the group...the 85


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: kungajim on December 15, 2017, 09:27:46 AM
and then the Peer 209.  this one is in really good condition.  I'm planning on using this one as I've just started to do some salt water fishing and this seems like it will be a great reel for me.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on December 15, 2017, 09:33:37 AM
Those should clean up nicely. Love those mottled plates always a little bonus


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on December 15, 2017, 12:35:19 PM
Looks to be in pretty good condition !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 17, 2017, 04:22:19 PM
I guess I am on a 9/0 kick right now, picked up my second yesterday from an older gentleman in a high desert near me.  Could not pass up the price of $65....15 cheaper than the non-numbered from last month....and being from Southern California it has the darn rock cod warrior handle too...I think I have 4 of them now....gonna go broke replacing them  >:(   I am happy it has the cast bronze spool and bearing though.  Will need to replace the three THICK  :o asbestos drags though and may as well toss a SS gear sleeve in too while it's open.   Bill

(https://i.imgur.com/R5qggMM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Z8pjNmi.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rTJ307l.jpg)

Here are the tails plates from the non-numbered on the left and the recent addition on the right.....
(https://i.imgur.com/D7GT5yv.jpg)

And the darn rock cod handle...errrrr
(https://i.imgur.com/Oq9v2ZJ.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on December 17, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
Got to love the 9/0's Great find,,,bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 18, 2017, 12:45:46 PM
Nice Bill. ;)
I hate those Handles too. >:(


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 18, 2017, 01:13:33 PM
Nice Bill. ;)
I hate those Handles too. >:(
LOL i was gonna PM you and see if you wanted the two I had. Guess that answers that.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on December 18, 2017, 02:35:36 PM
I have a few too, Maybe we can send them to Fred for his lamp project. A homage to old school rock codding


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on December 18, 2017, 04:15:53 PM
I have a drawerful also!

Might make good upgraded cranks for homemade ice cream mixers.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 18, 2017, 07:13:56 PM

 Another pre war long beach 60 joins the family. Just gave it a fast wipedown. Every piece of this one is all original to 1941. The generic logo only says "long Beach" so it would have yardage stamp under the seat to determine which model it was, but for some reason they never yardage stamped the "optional" lb60 clamp seat, even though it only fit a few reels, all of which were 250yd models

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on December 18, 2017, 07:18:46 PM
nice Ted!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on December 18, 2017, 07:18:59 PM
Nice reel Ted.

You have got to have one of the most extensive collections of early LB reels around, certainly some of the nicest reels.  Is this your first prewar with the clamp kit?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on December 18, 2017, 07:34:30 PM
l'm thinking about buying this 209 and 309 from an online freind who lives about 700 miles away.  He says they are functional but sort of faded from sunburn.

Anybody got a suggesion of what l should pay for them? l don't need the rods.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on December 18, 2017, 07:41:07 PM
Really nice piece ya got there,Ted.  Love when the mold is new so the impression on the tailplate is deep, standing proud like that '41.
Keep 'em coming,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on December 18, 2017, 07:52:57 PM
l'm thinking about buying this 209 and 309 from an online freind who lives about 700 miles away.  He says they are functional but sort of faded from sunburn.

Anybody got a suggesion of what l should pay for them? l don't need the rods.

$50 shipped IMO


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 18, 2017, 08:14:17 PM
Nice reel Ted.

You have got to have one of the most extensive collections of early LB reels around, certainly some of the nicest reels.  Is this your first prewar with the clamp kit?

 John, that's like asking Mr owl how many licks to the center of a tootsie pop  :D

  The answer is 5 licks  ;D  ;D

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on December 20, 2017, 11:20:52 PM
In between cleaning and restoring old reels for clients, as they are soaking and being US cleaned -- I try to get some of mine done also.

Nothing fancy, just stock -- but with upgraded CF's coated with Cal's, SS discs, Delrin UG washer.

This old Squidder I found last week over at the Coast for $24, along with the old Seaford are both completed now.

Full disassemble, evacuated all grease and crud, cleaned up and shine/burnish the interior parts, modern lubes..

Did change out the posts for new, along with the stand, crank, (2) tailplate rings, and a clamp kit.

Just quick and done -- but at least ready to fish.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 21, 2017, 06:56:29 PM
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Nothing fancy, just stock -- but with upgraded CF's coated with Cal's, SS discs, Delrin UG washer.

That plus the new external parts makes for a great fishing reel.

Nice Job.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 24, 2017, 03:43:53 PM
Santa came early today  ;D   My 80 year old dad sent me three of his reels, that HE bought brand new....A JM 500L from the 60's (based on the Postal Code on the box) another 500L from the 70's in the tan box and a LB 65 from 70's also (according to his recollection) .....he said the 60's JM and the LB were fished about three times and shelved and the other JM never used  :o......All are in like new condition and will be getting Center Stage in the cabinet.  Dad wasn't much of a conventional guy, but said the could cast the JM 40 yards further than he could with a Mitchell 302 ....Hmmmm and he wasn't a conventional type of guy  ::)....hence the homemade thumb break......Thanks Dad  ;)  I'm hoping Santa is going to be nice to the AT Ohana this year......Bill 
(https://i.imgur.com/euDiaYV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2BezJyo.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on December 24, 2017, 03:54:09 PM
   They look great Bill! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 24, 2017, 05:12:20 PM
Very nice and very clean!!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 24, 2017, 05:20:01 PM
Thanks guys.....I'm starting to wonder what else Pop's has stashed he's not telling me about  ???

He passed this jeweled gem to me, a Roll's Engineering Model 300, a few years back......Bill

(https://i.imgur.com/4NmRHDI.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on December 24, 2017, 05:31:40 PM
nice collection bill! Looks like you have a couple of silver spools for that Jigmaster, if you need to have a red spool maybe we could switch.

Best,

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on December 24, 2017, 09:36:01 PM
Really nice Penns Bill, but that Rolls is something special.  I read the stuff at ORCA but did you ever find out anything about it?  It seems weird that a reel maker in Los Angeles could disappear without a trace.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 24, 2017, 09:48:14 PM

 Beautiful reels and the silver jiggy spool is a huge bonus.

  Two thumbs up !! ....actually 3 thumbs  :D  :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 24, 2017, 10:12:35 PM
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A JM 500L from the 60's (based on the Postal Code on the box)

That model is hot item. The reel is a first generation Jigmaster 500L. It is in a 1960's Blue Box with a sticker updating the box with the New Aluminum spool Jigmaster. The actual release date of that reel is 1975. The postal code on the box may represent the 1960's but it is obviously a left over box from the 1960's that Penn placed the new 500L stickers on until the regular 500L box could be made. That aluminum silver spool was only used from 1975 to 1977 when Penn changed to the red aluminum spool in 1978. It is a keeper, especially since yours is so nice. I would think that model with the first gen box is not so easy to find. Here is the introduction of the 500L from the 1975 catalog.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on December 25, 2017, 12:09:46 AM
 Hi Mike, the boxes are sorda tough to find, but I'm pretty sure they used the sticker for all 3 years of the silver spool. Anyways, here would be what to look for.

  On the left is 1st year silver spool jigmaster box, right is 1st year box for the red spool on the 500S model

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Vintage Offshore Tackle on December 25, 2017, 01:22:01 AM
I have never seen a 500L come out of a box with a red aluminum spool.  I may be wrong, but I am 99% sure that they were introduced for and shipped with the 500S exclusively, except by mistake.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 25, 2017, 07:05:05 AM
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I have never seen a 500L come out of a box with a red aluminum spool.  I may be wrong, but I am 99% sure that they were introduced for and shipped with the 500S exclusively, except by mistake.

You are correct according to the catalog. I believe the red spool was only used from 1978 to 1980 for the 500S only.

Merry Christmas!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 25, 2017, 07:13:40 AM
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Hi Mike, the boxes are sorda tough to find, but I'm pretty sure they used the sticker for all 3 years of the silver spool. Anyways, here would be what to look for.

Great finds for those boxes. I would think they are hard to add to a collection. Good ones to look for. I would assume you are correct about the span of use. There is nothing found by me that would explain it any other way.

Have a great holiday!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 25, 2017, 07:41:21 AM
Great Reels Brother Bill. ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on December 25, 2017, 07:58:14 AM
Very nice reels Bill. Fond a good home too


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 25, 2017, 08:36:25 AM
Thank you guys......what a wealth of knowledge just shared here.....Mike, Randy and Ted you guys never cease to amaze me....Now what is ironic is I have never been a big fan of the JigMaster (Yes I know, sacrilege  :o) I am more drawn to the Senators and Mariners, however in spite of my tastes, the JigMaster collection is expanding like a herd of rabbits and they are starting to grow on me  :D. 

Really nice Penns Bill, but that Rolls is something special.  I read the stuff at ORCA but did you ever find out anything about it?  It seems weird that a reel maker in Los Angeles could disappear without a trace.
-steve

Yes Steve, the Rolls is still a mystery, besides the information supplied by ORCA, nothing else has surfaced.  Tried searching old Los Angeles directories and patent searches, but no luck.  It would be amazing if someone came forward with a complete history of the Rolls AND the Nep-Tuna because he worked for both companies......Tight Lines and Cool Beans my brothers.......Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on December 25, 2017, 10:23:07 AM
Santa came early today  ;D   My 80 year old dad sent me three of his reels, that HE bought brand new....A JM 500L from the 60's (based on the Postal Code on the box) another 500L from the 70's in the tan box and a LB 65 from 70's also (according to his recollection) .....he said the 60's JM and the LB were fished about three times and shelved and the other JM never used  :o......All are in like new condition and will be getting Center Stage in the cabinet.  Dad wasn't much of a conventional guy, but said the could cast the JM 40 yards further than he could with a Mitchell 302 ....Hmmmm and he wasn't a conventional type of guy  ::)....hence the homemade thumb break......Thanks Dad  ;)  I'm hoping Santa is going to be nice to the AT Ohana this year......Bill 
(https://i.imgur.com/euDiaYV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2BezJyo.jpg)
nice collection bill! Looks like you have a couple of silver spools for that Jigmaster, if you need to have a red spool maybe we could switch.

Best,

Sal

Hello Bill, sorry for asking about the silver spool. I thought the pic above was one and that there were two reels with the silver spool.
Had I known it was only one, I would have never asked. Funny part, I wasn't even looking for one, I thought it would have been nice if you had one of each.
Merry Christmas!

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on December 25, 2017, 12:06:53 PM
Sweet grouping. 

Looks like you should try to find a complete first year Jigmaster reel/box/spool in order to complete the group.  Well, you could look for the red-spool anniversary reel to  ad to the group as well.  That is a great start though.

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 25, 2017, 12:20:31 PM
No worries Sal.....If I had two of them one would be headed your way.....

John I think you are right on completing the set.....Looks like I'm getting JigMaster fever now  :P

Now to find the 12 Step process for Reel Addiction..... :D

Merry Christmas to all....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on December 25, 2017, 05:09:31 PM
Thank you guys......what a wealth of knowledge just shared here.....Mike, Randy and Ted you guys never cease to amaze me....Now what is ironic is I have never been a big fan of the JigMaster (Yes I know, sacrilege  :o) I am more drawn to the Senators and Mariners, however in spite of my tastes, the JigMaster collection is expanding like a herd of rabbits and they are starting to grow on me  :D. 

Really nice Penns Bill, but that Rolls is something special.  I read the stuff at ORCA but did you ever find out anything about it?  It seems weird that a reel maker in Los Angeles could disappear without a trace.
-steve

Yes Steve, the Rolls is still a mystery, besides the information supplied by ORCA, nothing else has surfaced.  Tried searching old Los Angeles directories and patent searches, but no luck.  It would be amazing if someone came forward with a complete history of the Rolls AND the Nep-Tuna because he worked for both companies......Tight Lines and Cool Beans my brothers.......Bill
You know someone who worked at Nep-Tuna in Los Angles ?  Do you know anything about his employment history at all ?  Dates ?   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 25, 2017, 07:02:58 PM
Sorry John. just wishing out loud about how great it would be if we did find someone......Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on December 25, 2017, 07:08:51 PM
Bill your handle is in enroute ups is behind so I think it could be Monday.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 26, 2017, 09:33:15 AM
WooooHoooo!!!!!  Christmas continues ;D ;D ;D   Much thanks brother John......Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on December 30, 2017, 10:11:11 AM
Here is a early second generation 14/0 I got a little while ago. This version of the 14/0 & 16/0 are often over looked. We know that by March of 1942 the 14/0 and 16/0 were second generation with the new large drags because of adds that show this.  I feel that the early second generation of these reels ( ones that still used the 12/0 drags ) were made for a year or less. Anyone have any information they can add about these early second generation reels?

Here is another early second generation Senator this one a 16/0 that I got a week ago and just finished cleaning it up a bit and re lubing. This one has the smaller 12/0 sized drags like Brian's. It cleaned up pretty good but it did have a little blue/green corrosion here and there. The drags, washers and cup were all pretty good also as some times they really get corroded bad ! I have one original rod brace and the turnbuckles and also original rod clamp with bolts and nuts. This one has the lighter duty stand also. When cleaning I noticed a brass screw that had been filed off a bit next to dog and showed it to Brian. He said it was a repair for broken spring post !! Guess I should have figured that out &*^%$%^. This one has the drilled spool also.     Thanks for looking !

John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on December 30, 2017, 11:03:20 AM
Looks a lot better, nice job.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on December 30, 2017, 11:12:54 AM
 Brian :  Cross bars or posts are kind of rough but not to bad. Now I want the first generation 16/0 !!! From what I see a TUFF FIND !!!  But they have to be out there somewhere !!  Would you or any one else know where I could find a no part number rod brace ?     John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on December 30, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
Very nice 16/0 and you did a good job cleaning it up looks new  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on December 30, 2017, 12:58:12 PM
Nice reel there!  That makes a great one to ad to the set of first gen Seanators since it is ran early Reel, and the first gen 16/0s seem to be as rare as hen's teeth.

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on December 30, 2017, 02:24:18 PM
John, no help on a rod brace.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 30, 2017, 04:16:37 PM
Nice reel John. First gen 16/0's are super tough, at one time they were thought to be impossible, that is until Brian found one, now Ray has one also and I seem to remember one or two more.

They are very difficult to document, most of them are probably very early release reels that were either prototype or experimental, I do not think there were too many first gen 16/0's offered for sale; but, it is all speculation. Every time one comes up for sale it is an Event.

I feel all pre-war 16/0's are special reels.

Congrats on the find!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on December 30, 2017, 04:49:16 PM
Very nice early reel,very clean. Fortunate it's in the hands of someone who values it.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 30, 2017, 06:23:51 PM
Wow that looks great John!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 01, 2018, 02:09:22 AM
Hi All

Wishing all of you a great 2018.

Regarding the discussion of the postal codes on the Penn reel boxes:

I have a Penn No. 180 box 100yds. Price $6.00 (1946-50) with no postal code on box
I have a Penn 49A in box Fair trade price $16 (1951-52) also no postal code on box
Earliest catalog I have is a #18 from 1953 with address Philadelphia 32 PA
What was the 1st year with the address Philadelphia 32 PA ?

Catalog 28B of 1965 has address Philadelphia PA 19132
What was the 1st year with the address Philadelphia PA 19132 ?
Catalog 29 of 1966 has address Hunting Park Avenue Philadelphia 32 PA ?
But I believe and correct me if I’m wrong, only the “B” catalogs were in the actual reel boxes and the others weren’t ?

Any clarity on this confusion would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on January 01, 2018, 09:01:40 AM
As guideline -- US Postal Zip Codes were introduced in 1963.

It became mandatory a year, or so later.

That 18A catalog has so much information in it -- it is a treasure.

I keep one in my throne room -- every time look through it, I learn something new.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 01, 2018, 04:18:32 PM
Catalog is a great issue. It is special because it spans two years. It is a 1954 / 55 issue, not 1953.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 03, 2018, 11:24:25 AM
Thanks Fred and Mike
Was the old postal code the 32 ?
And was it replaced with 19132 ?
Sorry, being from Cape Town, South Africa I wasn't able to find much info on the web.

Regards
Alan


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on January 03, 2018, 06:31:04 PM
Alan you are correct.....the five digit replaced the two digit.  But here it gets tricky.  Otto Penn always the mixer used every last thing even mixing parts to build a reel.  So even though the US Postal Service changed the codes, Penn used every last box so he was still shipping reel boxes out with the old codes.  So it is best to date your reel and box by the price.....this will get you within a year at worst. 

Mike Cacioppo, has published a series of books on the first 25 years of Penn reels and his 3rd volume has all the catalogues in it.  This volume is called A Documentary History of Penn Reels.  All three are good reading and worth space on the coffee table.

Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 03, 2018, 11:16:03 PM
Thanks Bill much appreciated


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 03, 2018, 11:41:09 PM
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I have a Penn 49A in box Fair trade price $16 (1951-52) also no postal code on box

Hello Alan, could you post a picture of the 49A reel and box. I was wondering if the reel is marked 49A, as some of the early ones were and if the box is marked 49A?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 04, 2018, 06:11:17 AM
Hi Mike you might have seen my box on social media, a buddy of mine posted a pic a while back.
1st couple of pics are the sideplates cleaned and the original leather drag washers followed by the 4 brace type spool.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 04, 2018, 06:18:59 AM
Reel assembled with box and a comparison pic of some of the my other 49A reels with their boxes. Note the one on the right is the only 49"A" in this pic. The others have only No.49 on the sideplate. All of these reels have part numbers except the old 49A which has no part numbers on the 2 eccentric cams.

Regards
Alan


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 04, 2018, 10:47:48 AM
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Reel assembled with box and a comparison pic of some of the my other 49A reels with their boxes. Note the one on the right is the only 49"A" in this pic. The others have only No.49 on the sideplate. All of these reels have part numbers except the old 49A which has no part numbers on the 2 eccentric cams.

This is all very interesting to me. Thank you very much for the photos. I always suspected that the 49A marked side plates only happened in the early 1950's. This helps to prove it. The only place to find these reels and boxes in the quantity and diversity you have them is South Africa.

This also tells me how Penn identified their export models. The markings were on the boxes, not the reels. They initially marked the 49A because that reel was modified but other reels, like Jigmasteers, were only marked on the boxes.

Your older 49A was made between 1951 and 1953. That is the beginning of Penn's use of stamped part numbers on their parts. Reels from that time period will be a mix or numbered and non-numbered parts.

Thanks for posting these pictures, now I will have to set up some time to take my two 49A reels apart and look at the internal differences. The one I have with the 49A marked head plate I feel is earlier than yours because it has a coin edged counter weighted handle but it does have some numbered parts also, so not too much earlier or maybe not at all.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 04, 2018, 02:56:57 PM
This is all very interesting to me. Thank you very much for the photos. I always suspected that the 49A marked side plates only happened in the early 1950's. This helps to prove it. The only place to find these reels and boxes in the quantity and diversity you have them is South Africa.

Mike I recently  bought a Penn 49A with A on sideplate that had no numbers on ANY parts on the reel so I assume that would be pre-1950 ? The spool also had the same "4 brace" as per pics above. The owner is searching for the box at his holiday home so hopefully it will surface soon.

Regards
Alan


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 04, 2018, 03:37:03 PM
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This also tells me how Penn identified their export models. The markings were on the boxes, not the reels. They initially marked the 49A because that reel was modified but other reels, like Jigmasteers, were only marked on the boxes.

I researched this and a mate of mine in South Africa told me that he and a friend foul-hooked a rod and reel in a river in East London, South Africa, the reel was apparently a Penn Jigmaster with a 500A on the headplate, but the friend, a South African wildlife conservationist was murdered in Tanzania during 2017. The 51-year-old expert on the protection of elephants was presumably shot dead by poachers on Wednesday 16th August 2017 in the Masaki suburb of Dar es Salaam. So we haven't pursued this matter due to this tragedy as he had the reel. RIP Wayne Lotter.

Regards
AC49  



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on January 04, 2018, 03:55:41 PM
Wow!

Sounds like I can ad yet another model to this search list, though it sounds like this one is not likely to turn up here in the states.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 05, 2018, 02:37:59 PM
 As found left handed 3/0 approximately 1949/50. Mostly non numbered, including the spool


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on January 05, 2018, 07:21:32 PM
Gorgeous reel Ted!
 :o :o :o
 ;D
Nice find there!

Those non-numbered parts could be used to make a prewar model exceptional, though I'm not sure I would want to meddle with this one's beauty ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 06, 2018, 10:48:36 PM
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I researched this and a mate of mine in South Africa told me that he and a friend foul-hooked a rod and reel in a river in East London, South Africa, the reel was apparently a Penn Jigmaster with a 500A on the headplate, but the friend, a South African wildlife conservationist was murdered in Tanzania during 2017. The 51-year-old expert on the protection of elephants was presumably shot dead by poachers on Wednesday 16th August 2017 in the Masaki suburb of Dar es Salaam. So we haven't pursued this matter due to this tragedy as he had the reel. RIP Wayne Lotter.

Sad story about the conservationist. Amazing story about the 500A. I have never seen a marked Jigmaster 500A. That would mean a plug mold would exist with the 500A Model Number. Very interesting.

I want to paste in some history I have published about these reels. Maybe it will be something you can relate to about the history I found by communicating with some people in South Africa. Your knowledge and opinions are very important here because you live there and have first hand knowledge of South Africa. My knowledge is all by talking with people like you that live there. Thank You.

""      The time period is the 1950’s, at that time there was a phenomenon going on with Yellowfin tuna off the coast of Cape Point, South Africa. A rocky coastal location named the Rooikrantz enabled brave fisherman the chance to catch Yellowfin Tuna from a land based rock pile. It seems to me that they risked life and limb in order to fish this location for tuna. These were not football tuna, these tuna were very good sized fish as can be seen by some vintage photos from the days gone by at the Rooikrantz . Among the people that fished the Rooikrantz, one particular gentleman stood out from the rest.
       A Mr. Louis Boshoff was one of the most famous Rooikrantz anglers of yesteryear, many spinning lures were developed by Mr. Boshoff that are still being molded and copied today in South Africa. The area that Mr Boshoff fished at the Rooikrantz was at the lowest, most inaccessible part of the cave (people who knew the location considered it at the end of the rope).  It happened that Mr. Boshoff was left handed and this particularly dangerous fishing spot was only fishable if you cast left handed. Going there today and carefully searching, you will find a small hole in the rock with a cover on it where a fighting chair for catching Yellowfin would be mounted.
      Mr. Boshoff used a Penn 49 to fish from the rocks but he needed a reel that had more line capacity but was still light enough to cast and fast enough to retrieve spinner baits at speeds that would attract a tuna. The Penn 49 was light for a reel of its size, was fitted with a large, lightweight Bakelite spool and had a retrieve ratio of 3.5 to 1. It was the perfect candidate for the Rooikrantz fishing except more line capacity was needed for the super strong Yellowfins. Louis Boshoff used the standard Penn 49 as the base to create three reels, one for himself, one for his brother and one spare. He made the reels by removing the crossbars and stand from a normal Penn 49 and replacing it with a stand and cross bars from a Penn 500 which created a wider reel. He then took the shaft of the Penn 500 spool and placed that shaft in the plastic spool of a Penn 49 after splitting the Penn 49 spool and making a spacer to make up the extra width needed to make the spool fit the new, wide Penn 49.
        The late Mike Stott was one of the Directors at Jack Lemkus Sporting Goods in Salt River, who were agents for Penn in Cape Town at the time that Mr. Boshoff accomplished this modification to the Penn Model 49. Mr. Stott saw these modified reels, took the spare reel that belonged to Louis Boshoff and sent it to Penn. A Penn representative was sent to Cape Town to investigate why this reel was needed and Penn history was made but only exclusively in South Africa. All Penn had to do was manufacture a wider plastic spool, all the other needed parts for this new Model 49A reel were on the shelf.
       This story was passed on to me, by Mr. Fritz Rossouw, a reel repairman and collector living in Pretoria, South Africa. Mr. Rossouw has made this study of South African Penn 49A reels possible by being very generous with his own particular knowledge and passing on to me other sources of information. """

                          I wrote an article about these reels many years ago, it is Chapter 13 in my green book. This is an excerpt from that article.

                          I have been told that those Jetty Fisherman were called "Springbucks". I must admit, the stories from South Africa certainly have a large amount of drama attached to them.

Thank you very much for sharing.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 07, 2018, 08:29:58 AM
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"That would mean a plug mold would exist with the 500A Model Number. Very interesting"

Mike my philosophy is "seeing is believing" so don't look for the plug mold JUST YET  ;)
I will pursue this matter until at least a picture surfaces !!

I did however manage to purchase a Penn 500 Jigmaster with a white spool from my mate - not great condition but the only 1 I have ever seen in South Africa. It did look a bit better after a clean up.

Mike I will post some interesting information I have gathered about the Rooikrantz fishermen of the 1940's and 1950's soon.

Regards
Alan


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on January 07, 2018, 09:10:28 AM
   A white spool for a Jigmaster?? Holy moly...these surprises just keep coming...awesome find Alan! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 07, 2018, 11:24:25 PM
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Mike my philosophy is "seeing is believing" so don't look for the plug mold JUST YET  Wink
I will pursue this matter until at least a picture surfaces !!

I did however manage to purchase a Penn 500 Jigmaster with a white spool from my mate - not great condition but the only 1 I have ever seen in South Africa. It did look a bit better after a clean up.

Mike I will post some interesting information I have gathered about the Rooikrantz fishermen of the 1940's and 1950's soon.

Regards
Alan

If you find a picture of the 500A with a marked side plate, you will have the only one I know of. Stranger things have happened.


The white spool Jigmaster is a new one on me. I guess the export models were different. That spool is very special. Not many other reels a Jigmaster spool can be used on. They will interchange with a Model 259---Live Bait Caster, but, I think that is about the only other reel that would use a Jigmaster spool. I could be wrong, maybe I could get some other opinions here. That is a rare spool, in my opinion.

Looking forward to more info about the Rooikrantz. Those guys were special kind of fisherman. I have a couple of photos from those 1950's days gone by. The first is a gent named Jack Wheeler with a 170 pound yellow fin he caught off the rocks. The second photo is of two ladies (Mrs. Vi Knipe & a Mrs. Joan Ritchie) that also had some impressive fish. Those must have been exciting days. I was told the current changed and that changed the fishing.







Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: surfbuggy on January 09, 2018, 06:50:37 AM
New to site. 3reels with pictures...Can anyone give me years, and, or any info on the reels? From what I have rea on other forums the black one might be a “rare” reel. It is black throughout. It was handed down to me by a family member. Any info would be great. Thank you.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 10, 2018, 02:55:06 AM
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New to site. 3reels with pictures...Can anyone give me years, and, or any info on the reels? From what I have rea on other forums the black one might be a “rare” reel. It is black throughout. It was handed down to me by a family member. Any info would be great. Thank you.

The first reel is a Green Model 710, vintage late 1960's. Common reel. It is an excellent reel which sold many by Penn, hence, it is common. Probably worth about $30 to $40 if all is running nice and smooth.

Second reel is a Penn Spinfisher 722 with the early gearbox cover. Vintage 1969 to maybe 1972. Value about $40 if smooth running.

The black Model 710 is much harder to find than the green. The black reels were released in very limited numbers and were not painted with Penn production equipment. You will find black Model 710 reels with different finishes because different paints were used to create the black reels. Some have smooth finishes and some have wrinkled finishes. The black Model 710 Spinfishers usually sell for higher prices. Mint in the box can be valued as high as $150 for a model 710, more for a right hand drive Model 711. A used black model 710 would be valued from $50 to $100 approximately. Vintage is likely to be 1969 or very early 1970's.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on January 10, 2018, 11:03:42 AM
There is something weird about how the bail wire attaches to the rotor on the black one.  Nice hatch cover table too.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on January 10, 2018, 06:34:57 PM
Got this 190 100yd in today $7+shipping


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 10, 2018, 07:35:12 PM

 Looks to be a pre war 190....nice grab Benni

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on January 10, 2018, 08:35:03 PM
A Long Beach 65 "De Luxe", seller says: "1938, 300yd. Reel". This's a "keep it as is" reel for me with alla chrome loss. Nice heavy Penn. It has an odd(to me) screw pattern on the rings: 6 screw stand, but only 1 screw shows on each outside ring. Also, 6 posts, but the 2 bottom-most posts have no screws showing on either outside ring?!? Can't wait to open 'er up and go through everything and see what's up!
No yardage stamped on the bottom of the stand.
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on January 10, 2018, 08:41:58 PM
A 1939 Silver Beach 97. Very good-low wear-condition, for a '39.
The bridge, eccentric and eccentric jack(but not the yoke) are chrome!
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 11, 2018, 03:06:25 AM
Gfish is it possible your DL65 mirrors the 3/0 senator build style where there are a couple hidden screws under the rings?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on January 11, 2018, 03:39:50 AM
   Nice reels Gfish...I love those old Silver Beaches.

Gfish is it possible your DL65 mirrors the 3/0 senator build style where there are a couple hidden screws under the rings?

   That Deluxe 65 is actually the predecessor of the 3/0 Senator.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on January 11, 2018, 06:44:43 AM
Nice reels, Gregg.  I've never seen those reels before.  Thanks for sharing.   


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on January 11, 2018, 03:53:52 PM
Ok so I paid to much for this one,,,lol  :D but it is like new


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on January 11, 2018, 03:58:03 PM
   That's beautiful Benni.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on January 11, 2018, 03:59:41 PM
Can't pay too much for a good one -- or too little for a rough one...

Nice reel!

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on January 11, 2018, 04:17:14 PM
Ok so I paid to much for this one,,,lol  :D but it is like new

Cool reel.  First pink stock one that Iremember seeing.  I was considering bidding as well.

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on January 11, 2018, 04:44:42 PM
Very nice reel Benni! it looks familiar, I think I've seen it on here before.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on January 11, 2018, 06:12:59 PM
Thanks guys,,,,and uncle sal I hope you doing good up there,,,it's been cold


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: bhale1 on January 11, 2018, 07:06:42 PM
Wow, that is one good looking reel...
You only live once my friend, nothing is " too" much if it's something you wanted!!! Great find!
Brett


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 16, 2018, 09:16:34 AM

 Wish Penn made more reels in this lipstick red color. I always wondered why they only did the 27 in this color

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on January 16, 2018, 09:42:23 AM

 Wish Penn made more reels in this lipstick red color. I always wondered why they only did the 27 in this color

  Ted

   Same here Ted, especially since it doesn't show up cracked as many times as the green and grey Monofils. I hate that the Coloramic Monofils only lasted a few years. Then they went right back to that old mud/brown/maroon watcha-call-it! :D  I see the more common red maroon a lot, and an occasional black Monofil. Are the black ones kinda scarce?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 16, 2018, 09:59:31 AM
 Not sure about the black monofil reels Mo

  Penn kinda pulled a fast one on everyone by "introducing" reels specially made for monofilament line. The monofil 25 is an exact duplicate of a 155, just different label. The monofil 26 is duplicate of a 160, and the 27 is a re-labeled 180. All 3 had been around since prior to the war and continued to overlap with the monofil, even though they were exact same reel. I've rebuilt a couple grey monofil by using a 155 as a donor reel. Its the affordable way to get yourself a nice grey 25 without spending lots of dough.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 18, 2018, 02:57:18 PM
This "anniversary" 6/0 fell in my lap last week.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on January 18, 2018, 02:59:02 PM
that one will not need the simple green OR vinegar. nice!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 18, 2018, 03:14:46 PM
This long beach 65 came yesterday. Sorry for the crappy pics I know the lighting sucks.
Is the stand correct? Are those clamp stud holes supposed to be there?



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on January 18, 2018, 04:02:42 PM
   Yep Chris, there was a clamping stand available for the 60 and 65 beaches. It was an accessory item. You just need the screws and clamp. That's a dandy 65, good grab! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on January 18, 2018, 05:05:47 PM
Cool long beach  ;D with a nice handle


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 19, 2018, 06:16:27 PM
 I've been trying to curb my spending, but never expected to win this lb60 for $9 ... I was the only bidder. I guess nobody likes the long beach anymore except Mo, Chris, and little old me   ;D ;D

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on January 20, 2018, 05:12:38 AM
   It's hard to pass on a deal like that Ted...the handle alone is worth 9 bucks! Great solid reel. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on January 20, 2018, 07:54:17 AM
This long beach 65 came yesterday. Sorry for the crappy pics I know the lighting sucks.
Is the stand correct? Are those clamp stud holes supposed to be there?


Very nice, well defined picture-plate. Hard to find one in that condition. Looks like the "spring-ball" (for the oiler) in the bushing is either missing or the ball's off the spring. Got a couple like that, is there a fix or do ya gotta get a diffrent one?
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on January 20, 2018, 08:05:29 AM
Very nice, well defined picture-plate. Hard to find one in that condition. Looks like the "spring-ball" (for the oiler) in the bushing is either missing or the ball's off the spring. Got a couple like that, is there a fix or do ya gotta get a diffrent one?

   I've had a few like this myself. Actually...I've created a few like this!
 If you take a micro screwdriver or similar tiny instrument and kinda dig around in there the ball will pop back out most times.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 22, 2018, 05:13:06 PM
Well guys, like some girls I've dated, she aint pretty, but she was cheap.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 22, 2018, 05:59:37 PM
I've been trying to curb my spending, but never expected to win this lb60 for $9 ... I was the only bidder. I guess nobody likes the long beach anymore except Mo, Chris, and little old me   ;D ;D

  Ted
How did I miss that?
You da man Ted. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on January 22, 2018, 06:31:13 PM
Nice old senator with some stories behind it, They can't all be beauty queens.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on January 22, 2018, 06:43:08 PM
That Senator looks like a heck of a good score.  Those are not easy to find.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on January 22, 2018, 07:02:41 PM
Cool beans brother....Always good to save the old ones....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 23, 2018, 04:53:33 AM
What do you guys think? There is a chrome plating shop in my town. Im thinking about taking it in at least for an estimate. If its not outrageous I may consider it. It might not even be possible


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on January 23, 2018, 05:02:34 AM
What do you guys think? There is a chrome plating shop in my town. Im thinking about taking it in at least for an estimate. If its not outrageous I may consider it. It might not even be possible
Chris leave it the way it is it has character !!  If you re chrome it first off you will see old pitting marks under the chrome and second the side plates and rest of the reel won't match the shinny metal work !! It's like re bluing an old gun !  It ain't worth it !       That is what I think  Lol !!!     John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 23, 2018, 05:27:57 AM
John always knocks some sense into me.  ;D
OK will leave it alone.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on January 23, 2018, 06:05:15 AM
Agree. I have a buddy that restores slot machines. I thought about doing reel parts, and he said exactly that: you will have shiny chrome highlighting any scratches (same with re-anodizing). Better off picking up some used bits in better shape....I expect they will be available when Tom's plates come out :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 23, 2018, 09:00:30 AM
The reel is probably German Silver. If you want pretty, remove whatever chrome is on there and polish the parts. They will look better than chrome when you are done.

This was a mess of chrome loss and corrosion. Of course it does not approach a Ted reel but the improvement was a big step up.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on January 23, 2018, 04:25:15 PM
If you are not going to fish with a reel I think you should keep it all original (including the drag washers) as much a possible.  It will help protect your investment.  A few decades from now the carbontex and new parts will have decreased it's value.  By that time, people may have resources that make them better able to evaluate how original the reel is and when/if it was tampered with.

I have never disagreed with Mike about anything, but wonder if removing the finish isn't also detrimental to the value over the long run.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and, to me, having honest wear and character is a beautiful thing.  Dust it off, stabilize any corrosion and oil it.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: bhale1 on January 23, 2018, 07:20:42 PM
Chris,
Nothing wrong with that reel...just. Clean it up best you can and enjoy....have to agree that a chrome shop can't really make it look new...scrub and polish the best you and fish it...will last forever!!
Brett


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 24, 2018, 09:06:06 AM
When it comes to collectibles, judgments are made all the time. If a reel is broken, corroded and has a massive finish loss, then it has nowhere to go but up. Especially if we are talking about a production reel. When a reel is turned into jewelry, it attracts people. When a reel is a mess, it needs a history lesson and a very good reason to leave it that way.

I have seen collectors take a 12/0 vom Hofe basket case with original chrome over German Silver and pay a grand for it. Then take the reel and restore it with extreme care. When they were done, the reel tripled in value; but, was not as it was when it was built. I always feel that originally it the bottom line. A NOS item is always the most desirable; but, fishing reels were built to fish with. That means exposure to sun, salt and years of extreme use, to bring one back is a big part of the hobby.

Some collectors do nothing to their tackle. They are simply custodians of it until they decide to sell it. Myself, I like to clean and make it function as it should. I am not into shinny; but, I appreciate it and know that there is value to that. I have seen many collectors make their pieces better than the original maker made them.

I guess what I am trying to say is there is an Ass for every Seat. When you see something that makes you feel you have to have it, then it is right for you, whether it is mint or looks like it was dredged up from the Sewage Treatment Plant outlet.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 24, 2018, 10:38:32 AM
 I highly doubt that a Penn reel could be shined beyond the day it left the factory.

If you read any Penn catalog, you'll read about how their reels are "highly polished" at the factory.

 Besides that there are some parts that are nearly impossible to polish after factory assembly, like the click button, the handle blade, the gear sleeve transit, and a few others. You cannot make tenderloin out of ground round especially if it's thin nickle plating, because you'll blast right thru to the brass.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on January 24, 2018, 11:20:15 AM
That's a great pic, Tony.  Is it yours?

I'm one who prefers to see an old artifact in the condition it would have been used.  To me, that brings more of an understanding of the historical time period. 

Sometimes historical novels give a better lesson than history books (sometimes).

Imagine if the Sistine Chapel had never been restored.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on January 24, 2018, 01:01:30 PM
    With all due respect, if I take a NOS vintage Penn reel that came from the factory and dust it off with a microfiber to remove fingerprints and smudges and another reel that I shined up as best as I could (that wasn't mint already) I don't believe it would be "better" than the factory finish.  If I get a set of rims chromed on my car they will never be shinier as when they left the plater no matter how much polish and time I put into them.  Penn was proud of the products they churned out, so it would surprise me to find out they didn't polish their parts before sending them out into the world.  Now, in regards to the German Silver, it can be shined up a bit more with some elbow grease, but chrome will not look better than it did when it was done at the factory.  In fact, I'm not sure if the German Silver reels didn't come from the factory shinier than we see them.  German Silver gets a patina and dulls a bit with age.  I wasn't around in 1932-1975 so I couldn't tell you for sure.  As for the side plates, They will never have the perfect/shiny sheen than they came out of the mold with no matter what you do.  Just like an ice skating rink, when you scratch the ice it becomes dull... thank goodness for the zamboni.  We have a lot of creative people on here, let's make a side plate zamboni, a light torch that runs above the plate to cure the imperfections would be a good start. ;)
I do agree that original is the only way to go, as I would prefer to have an old all original, crusty reel than one that has been re-chromed or has non-original parts on it. It is a subjective topic to say the least.
Of course, this is just my opinion,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 24, 2018, 02:13:28 PM

 Here is a 1941 12/0 that was owned and fished by a decorated WWII hero. He fished it prior to the war and after the war and up into the 1980's. Obviously used, but also was kept serviced. The harness adjusters turn very easy, as do the clamp nuts. Freespool is amazing. I love this reel just how it is and wouldn't change a thing.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on January 24, 2018, 03:14:51 PM
That's got some character!

My early 2nd gen 10/0 was fished by a wooden charter boat out of Pearl Harbor catering to enlisted solders throughout WWII and after the war.  It too has character, and will remain in 'as found condition, with the rod it came with (a calcutta bamboo wrapped by a locally famous rod wrapping family living at the leper colony).

On the other end, your restoration of my first gen. 12/0, and prewar 1/0 with period correct parts we're well worth refurbishing.  I think the owner needs to decide with each individual piece.

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on January 25, 2018, 01:49:32 PM
Wood knob, honest wear, well maintained, provenance.  You can't ask for more than that Ted.

A rod made on Kalaupapa is one heck of a provenance story John.  By the way, there has been a Florida boat/tarpon rod built on a Calcutta cane for sale at the auction lately.

-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on January 25, 2018, 07:35:26 PM
How about a non-numbered early second gen. 4/0?  
I picked this one up after digging through 4 crates of reels, at the local pawn shop for $20.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on January 25, 2018, 07:42:05 PM
It should fit right in with the other prewar Senators.  

I was (and still am) hoping to find a first year 4/0, but for the price, this one will work just fine for now.  

Not quite as pretty as Ted's non-numbered 4/0 though.. actually not even in the same class :)

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 25, 2018, 09:58:00 PM

 Nice score for $20 John, and if you didn't rescue it, there's a good chance it would've not been discovered for what it is. The early 4/0 picture plate is one of my favorites.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 26, 2018, 02:29:59 AM
Very nice score John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on January 26, 2018, 05:16:42 AM
   That's a great collection of Senators John!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on January 26, 2018, 05:21:58 AM
You have some nice Senators there John !!! Good deal on the last one to !     John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on January 26, 2018, 07:35:54 PM
Very nice collection,,,,love the older senators  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on January 27, 2018, 06:27:19 AM
Nice set of reels.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on January 28, 2018, 08:55:29 AM
Found these two rough Penn 209 in a group of other parts reels.  The brown one seems fully functional but has a chip near the clicker.  The black one is in better shape cosmetically other than the worm gear and the bottom of the line guide has some green corrosion. 

So I plan on getting one good reel out of these and keep the other for spare parts.  Of course I need a handle, handle screw and handle nut screw.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Carl L on January 28, 2018, 02:51:15 PM
This is an ebay 190 I purchased. Pre drag/ar dog.. note the clicker.. Is something broken off? I would assume it would be waffle-style. I usually polish them completely, but this one told me not to.. (am I losing it-they're talking to me....)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on January 29, 2018, 02:30:55 PM
Waffel clickers seem to be on the oldest Penn's. Looks like someone fixed it with something laying around in the shop. How's it work? Very nice picture plate.
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Carl L on January 29, 2018, 04:02:36 PM
Gfish.... was sticky when i got it, expected sludge inside but bone dry. Several drops of penn oil and it sings. No corrosion, just dust so I did'nt vinegar it.. the line is dacron? Black braided stuff thats tough... i cant break it. Gotta be over 30lb. Test.. I'm gonna fish it just for fun like this.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: George6308 on January 29, 2018, 04:26:41 PM
The black braided line is nylon squiding line.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Carl L on January 31, 2018, 05:08:16 PM
Squiding line ??? Hmm... thanks, I've gotta look that up.. I learn something new every day on here.. love this site.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on February 01, 2018, 12:09:57 AM
Probably braided nylon squidding line, but it could also be braided black silk or braided black dacron.  Burn the end of the line with a lighter.  If it forms a solid melted glob is it dacron or nylon.  If it forms an ash that you can pull off with your fingers it is silk.  Nylon squidding line has a lot of stretch.  You can usually feel it stretch by pulling on on the last yard or so.  Dacron has almost no stretch.  Silk would be rotten by now.  Nylon or Dacron could still be OK.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on February 01, 2018, 01:13:39 PM
Quote
Squiding line Huh? Hmm... thanks, I've gotta look that up.. I learn something new every day on here.. love this site.

Squidding is an old fashioned term used for "Surf Casting" with metal tins or feathers. Example, the ""Penn Squidder"", world class conventional surf casting reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 11, 2018, 04:03:53 PM
Well I won a package deal from an online auction site and part of it was this non-numbered Senator 111 2/0.  When cleaned up the three piece spool is bronze in color and the rings cleaned up really nice, unfortunately the handle locked up solid sometime ago and the original owner kept fishing it eventually loosening the peened section in the handle blade.  Too bad it's non-numbered otherwise I would replace it.  Since it might just sit on the shelf I will leave it alone.  In the package deal was a very clean 85 I might try to see if that fits.  Until then it will join it's other brothers of the same Senator name.  Bill
(https://i.imgur.com/BRNwleT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fgJGStD.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Carl L on February 11, 2018, 05:36:01 PM
Well heck, thats cool, why not re-peen it ? That's how penn did it in the first place....


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 11, 2018, 06:05:37 PM
Many who are better than me have tried to repair these handles but to no avail.  The best I can do for this old piece would be to completely detach it from the blade and drill and the tap the shaft and add a screw to the backside.  This would be for display purposes only.  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on February 12, 2018, 06:55:28 AM
Well I won a package deal from an online auction site and part of it was this non-numbered Senator 111 2/0.  When cleaned up the three piece spool is bronze in color
Bill, that spool has the color of oxidized Nickel silver (German silver). Is there any pitting of the surface? Some of the pre-war Penn Senators have been showing up with those, but I'm not sure I've seen this size yet.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 12, 2018, 07:57:35 AM
Did, no pitting at all on the spool.  The inside rings do have chrome loss but the outer rings have no pitting.  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on February 13, 2018, 07:00:04 AM
Bill, did you use vinegar & water to clean the spool?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 13, 2018, 08:27:51 AM
Odd, I've had brass turn to a pinkish hue when soaked in vinegar. Brasso polish got it back to normal.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 13, 2018, 08:42:29 AM
Yes it was a vinegar soak.  Lots of crud on the spool and let it soak for a couple hours.  Still not happy with the way it turned out.  I have some brass polish I will try on it and see if it improves the appearance.  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on February 13, 2018, 09:09:23 AM
Bill;
  If the arbor was brass when you started and the flanges are nickel silver, the brass leached onto the flanges. You can clean up the flanges with a non- abrasive polish. If you use an abrasive polish it will scratch them.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 13, 2018, 09:11:10 AM
Thats good news.....will polish it up this weekend and post the results.  Thank you for the help brother.  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on February 15, 2018, 02:36:24 AM
Hi All

Need help identifying this reel handle on a Penn 49. It doesn't have any number stamped on it. Is it original or from another reel ?

Thanks
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 15, 2018, 04:10:20 AM
AC i dont believe thats a Penn handle at all


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on February 15, 2018, 04:21:00 AM
I don’t know what reel it came off exactly, but it looks like an Ocean City reel.
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on February 15, 2018, 05:18:10 AM
Odd, I've had brass turn to a pinkish hue when soaked in vinegar. Brasso polish got it back to normal.
Not odd at all. The pinkish color is copper that replates on the corroded surface, so these surfaces have microscopic pits that are lined with copper. Polishing just removes that layer and exposes a fresh surface. There's a lot of electrochemistry going on at a corroding surface, this is only part of the story.

And the ORCA folks don't recommend Brasso polish because of how much material it removes. A non-abrasive polish, like Simichrome or Nevr-Dull, is preferred.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on February 15, 2018, 05:22:43 AM
I don’t know what reel it came off exactly, but it looks like an Ocean City reel.
Dom
I agree that the grasp appears to be Ocean City-made, but that handle wouldn't have fit without some modification with a file, but that's not hard to do....


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on February 15, 2018, 05:50:45 AM
Looks like OC and probably is, but I've also seen some Japanese Penn knock-offs have a similar handle that fits Penn sleeve.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on February 15, 2018, 05:58:02 AM
Looks like OC and probably is, but I've also seen some Japanese Penn knock-offs have a similar handle that fits Penn sleeve.

Yeah, the Olympic conventional reels. They made some for KMart and Sears.  If I recall correctly, the ones I saw were stainless steel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on February 15, 2018, 06:32:36 AM
Thanks to all for your kind assistance. Seems the Immec 150D, Olympic Dolphin 615 or Kencor 150D have a very similar handle. Think I will stay clear of this purchase.  :)

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on February 16, 2018, 08:21:19 AM
If its a deal have it. somebody has an old Penn handle around here...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on February 16, 2018, 08:32:54 AM
If its a deal have it. somebody has an old Penn handle around here...

I think those stainless steel knock-off handles are decent.  If I had one, I'd upgrade the knob and use it, on some other reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 17, 2018, 02:01:49 PM
I just picked up this Silver Beach . The seller had it marked as a 1939. It's my first Silver Beach and by far my oldest Penn and  it was very reasonably priced.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 17, 2018, 02:05:03 PM
Actually after a bit of research, Im thinking its a 1940. It has the hershey clicker. Can anyone confirm or deny and any other notable facts are appreciated. 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 17, 2018, 04:29:23 PM
It could very well be a '39, as that is the first year the torpedo handle was offered on that model.  I have no information regarding the hershey kiss clicker, hpefully someone else will chime in.  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 17, 2018, 04:41:48 PM
Well another Coffee Can special just showed up  8).  There's supposed to be two 140 Squidders in this pile  ???.  I have a spool enroute, so at least that part is covered, but the other spool is a Penn Synchronized Spool with the Air Brake fins, and has a chip missing from where the two halves join.  Doesn't look fatal and a little JB Weld may fill the void.  Gonna tear both down and start the rebuild.  One will end up as a beater/loaner, but who knows until after the cleaning is done.....Bill
(https://i.imgur.com/ZQGURs3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Yf9SeCM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ii9RShZ.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on February 17, 2018, 11:43:26 PM
Quote
Actually after a bit of research, Im thinking its a 1940. It has the hershey clicker. Can anyone confirm or deny and any other notable facts are appreciated
It falls into a time span rather than to say it is a particular year. I would say it could be anywhere from 1939 to 1942. I know that is a blanket statement; but, there is really no way to get closer without more pieces of the puzzle. Even if you had it in the box, it would still be a guess at its age. From 1939 to 1942 this Model 97 Silver Beach basically stayed unchanged in price and build style. If you found one with the original catalog, you could then date it according to the catalog issue; but, you would be assuming the reel and catalog belong together. I feel the lighter colored handle knobs were used on the later models; but, that is just my opinion. It is still an interesting pre-war Penn reel and being able to date from 1939 to 1942 is still a good historical place. It is a Pre-War reel, without a doubt.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on February 18, 2018, 10:23:53 AM
Well another Coffee Can special just showed up  8).  There's supposed to be two 140 Squidders in this pile  ???.  I have a spool enroute, so at least that part is covered, but the other spool is a Penn Synchronized Spool with the Air Brake fins, and has a chip missing from where the two halves join.  Doesn't look fatal and a little JB Weld may fill the void.  Gonna tear both down and start the rebuild.  One will end up as a beater/loaner, but who knows until after the cleaning is done.....Bill
(https://i.imgur.com/ZQGURs3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Yf9SeCM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ii9RShZ.jpg)

Bill, I have a LB 259 spool ana Baymaster180 spool, both plastic and both chipped like yours(only smaller chips). Must be line pressure damage from when they anchored on the line.
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on February 18, 2018, 10:55:19 AM
Probably a dumb question, but, which war does the term "pre-war Penn" refer to?  ???


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on February 18, 2018, 01:17:26 PM
Probably a dumb question, but, which war does the term "pre-war Penn" refer to?  ???
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World War 2, 1942 to 1945 for the U.S.A. 'Bout 1938 to 1945 for Europe et. al.
Please correct if inaccurate.
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: pjstevko on February 18, 2018, 04:55:16 PM
Saw this Oceanside #85 with wooden knob in a antique store for $35.....is it worth it?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 18, 2018, 06:38:32 PM
Looking at Mike's 3rd book you could x2 or x3 your money......Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: pjstevko on February 18, 2018, 08:48:30 PM
I think I'm going to go try to get that reel so I can get a better look at it since a few people seem to think it's worth the asking price...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 18, 2018, 09:05:44 PM
It was offered from 1934-1937.....  if that helps brother.....bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: pjstevko on February 18, 2018, 09:20:10 PM
It was offered from 1934-1937.....  if that helps brother.....bill

Thanks for the info Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on February 18, 2018, 10:10:32 PM
The  "OCEAN  SIDE" reels were a take apart reel made 34-38 . The 300 yard model was the#85.  Over the years there were 4 different yardages. All RARE reels.

The reel you pictured ( Oceanside) was introduced in 1941 as  the #85 and was a different reel entirely at 250yards. Very common reel and only one size. In 1952 it became the Seaboy .

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15659.0
Info on the rare OCEAN SIDE reels. Note: they never had a star drag and were a take apart reel.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on February 19, 2018, 09:18:16 AM
Have no idea why this seller labeled his Penn 85 an Ocean Side but it is not. There was a Penn Trade Reel labeled Ocean Side. That may be what this reel is. Listen to SUPERHOOK, he is giving good info.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: pjstevko on February 19, 2018, 12:04:05 PM
I'm not a collector but thought if someone would want it I'd go get it but I guess i'll pass.....

Is there a list of rare/buy it if you find it for penn reels on this site?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Superhook on February 19, 2018, 12:44:44 PM
There is no RARE list on any site for Penn reels.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 19, 2018, 01:03:44 PM
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Actually after a bit of research, Im thinking its a 1940. It has the hershey clicker. Can anyone confirm or deny and any other notable facts are appreciated
It falls into a time span rather than to say it is a particular year. I would say it could be anywhere from 1939 to 1942. I know that is a blanket statement; but, there is really no way to get closer without more pieces of the puzzle. Even if you had it in the box, it would still be a guess at its age. From 1939 to 1942 this Model 97 Silver Beach basically stayed unchanged in price and build style. If you found one with the original catalog, you could then date it according to the catalog issue; but, you would be assuming the reel and catalog belong together. I feel the lighter colored handle knobs were used on the later models; but, that is just my opinion. It is still an interesting pre-war Penn reel and being able to date from 1939 to 1942 is still a good historical place. It is a Pre-War reel, without a doubt.

Thank you very much for info. I did notice spool was numbered 29-99, so I guess spool is much more recent. Im still happy with reel. I think it was $10+shipping. Have a great day/night guys.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on February 19, 2018, 09:44:56 PM
Quote
I did notice spool was numbered 29-99, so I guess spool is much more recent. Im still happy with reel. I think it was $10+shipping.

Yes, the spool is post 1953 approximately. For $10 you got a great deal.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Long Enuff on February 20, 2018, 04:31:26 AM
Going on a road trip to Savannah tomorrow to pick up a dozen Penn combos from an estate sale sight unseen. All I know is that there are several Senators in the mix and this photo. Not a scam, I grew up with the fellow and he sent me the pic. My brother has already picked them up for me.  Wish me luck.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/23/13259_20_02_18_5_11_53.jpeg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on February 20, 2018, 05:24:10 AM
Nice!!! ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on February 20, 2018, 09:10:08 AM
Long enuff, that lot look good, should give you some joy, keep you entertained for some time, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Long Enuff on February 21, 2018, 12:03:09 PM
Made it home with the bounty: three 113H maroon, one 113 4/0 black, one 112H maroon, a crusty 114H Blackie 6/0, Three black 6/0's, a Peer 109, Peer 309, and a Longbeach 68. All are completely functional, but nasty.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on February 21, 2018, 12:46:13 PM
What kind of rods were they on? Were the black ones Harnell's?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 21, 2018, 01:05:38 PM
They look like Magnuflex rods


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Long Enuff on February 21, 2018, 01:28:17 PM
The two all tan rods are Mohawk, the two with the green foam fore grips are "Ren-Troll Custom Rods Savannah, Ga.  One of the black rods was a Magnaflex and the other a Montague.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on February 21, 2018, 01:37:09 PM
I think I see two black Harnells. The two white blanks on the right side are almost certainly Magnaflex; i have the varmac  / aftco versions. The honey gold blanks are very likely Magnaflex as well, that close to Florida. One Penn Senator rod. not sure about the rest. That's an AT haul right there that'll leave you sleepless in anticipation of vats of simple green, vinegar and Penn blue.

I think it'd be worthwhile for you to start a separate thread on this collection to document what you got and what you did. You might even find something historically significant under that patina. Just my .02.


John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Long Enuff on February 21, 2018, 02:04:47 PM
Good idea John, I will do that when I get organized.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on February 21, 2018, 02:40:44 PM
Quote from: wailua boy link=topic=15800.msg273894#msg273894 date

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wailua boy,

Thank you very much for info. I did notice spool was numbered 29-99, so I guess spool is much more recent. Im still happy with reel. I think it was $10+shipping. Have a great day/night guys.
Dude!, Yours looks just like my 97, hershey clicker and all. Indeed the seller advertised it at it's earlist possible date:1939. So, where did you find the part number stamp on the spool, as I never saw one on mine. The usual place?
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: pinoy101 on February 22, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
hello everyone.. just would like to share what i have here... chance upon a variety store a saw this 112h on the shelf...caught my attention on the .. yup! the Power Handle... the store owner wanted P2,000.- for  it, I showed him a P1000.- bill... he ask for another P500.- and he said he won't go lower.. soo... we shook hands... P1,500 .-  $30 ... went home and gave her a good wipe with wd 40...   a little bit on and off grindy upon cranking.... was it a good bargain?... here she is....


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on February 22, 2018, 05:08:19 PM
Hey Alan, that's a gorgeous reel for the price. Ya done good! You probably got it for a little more than half the going rate.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 22, 2018, 08:12:48 PM
Alan that reel is not worthy nor does it belong in you collection....just send it to me and I will dispose of it.......in my display case ;D.   Good reel and a good price brother.....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: pinoy101 on February 22, 2018, 09:25:52 PM
Hey Alan, that's a gorgeous reel for the price. Ya done good! You probably got it for a little more than half the going rate.

thank you Sir Sid... I think I did...  hmmm... it Rhimes... hahaha..


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: pinoy101 on February 22, 2018, 09:52:31 PM
Alan that reel is not worthy nor does it belong in you collection....just send it to me and I will dispose of it.......in my display case ;D.   Good reel and a good price brother.....Bill

hahaha... I get a Kick out of you brother Bill !.... thanks... here's what I have so far on Penn Conventional's ...

6/0  4/0  309  two 3/0 ...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on February 23, 2018, 03:16:38 AM
NIce set, all spotless! i would snag that 112H all day for $30, just for the handle. that's my favorite of the old skool. i only have one; i think it's the 24-56.

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on February 23, 2018, 05:09:31 AM
Nice reels!!!! ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: swill88 on February 24, 2018, 08:55:38 AM
My first Monofil... $15.  Needs cleaning but works great...  The black bakelite has a touch of brown... happy.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/23/12788_24_02_18_9_45_13_235321762.jpeg)
(http://alantani.com/gallery/23/12788_24_02_18_9_45_16_23532257.jpeg)
(http://alantani.com/gallery/23/12788_24_02_18_9_45_19_23539267.jpeg)
(http://alantani.com/gallery/23/12788_24_02_18_9_45_23_235402125.jpeg)

steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on February 24, 2018, 09:18:35 AM
  The black bakelite has a touch of brown.

    Yep...many early Monofils along with the Peers came in that dark brown color.
 It looks great with a cream or off white handle knob. Great buy for $15! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Carl L on February 24, 2018, 08:39:09 PM
And, a squidder 145 jumped out of my mailbox today !! (My first one- I like this design) (squidder is the yellow handled one)   Am I the only one that noticed these things multiplying when you park them too closely ?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Carl L on February 24, 2018, 08:43:15 PM
That monofil looks pretty nice !! Please post pic once its polished up !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: swill88 on February 24, 2018, 09:09:00 PM
That monofil looks pretty nice !! Please post pic once its polished up !!

Yes I will!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on February 24, 2018, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: wailua boy link=topic=15800.msg273894#msg273894 date

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wailua boy,

Thank you very much for info. I did notice spool was numbered 29-99, so I guess spool is much more recent. Im still happy with reel. I think it was $10+shipping. Have a great day/night guys.
Dude!, Yours looks just like my 97, hershey clicker and all. Indeed the seller advertised it at it's earlist possible date:1939. So, where did you find the part number stamp on the spool, as I never saw one on mine. The usual place?
Gfish
yes, it was stamped in normal spot. The good part is the spool is immaculate, just too bad it wasn't original. It's funny I was just speaking to you about yours and about the next day, saw this one and had been looking for a while. I'm also looking for sailfisher in box as a gift for my old man, if you hear of one. Thanks


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on February 25, 2018, 08:40:52 AM
Woah!, A Sailfisher 130 ina box. Seems like a difficult find. Well, the info's out there now with your post. I've got spare parts for this'n if you need any(many specialized one's fer this reel, and are stamped "__-130").
Gfish


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on February 27, 2018, 05:20:08 PM
This 9/0 came today, 2nd generation no part numbers. A little dirty but no big gouges, some light scratches that should polish ok, every thing is there and working. Box is a little beat up but repairable. A good addition to my budding senator collection. Sheridan


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: swill88 on February 27, 2018, 06:33:29 PM
A real beauty Sheridan.
Great find.
Steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 27, 2018, 07:30:57 PM
Wow great find Sheridan!!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on February 28, 2018, 07:28:47 AM
Nice set, they are getting harder to find.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 01, 2018, 05:25:40 PM
Well the wife can now be labeled an Enabler  ::)  She was at a local flea market this morning and called me saying they had a few Penns and wanted to know if I needed any  ;)   I asked her to send some pictures and asked her "how much are they asking?"  She said $5 each  :o :o  I threw the dice and told her for $5 each "could I pleeeeaaassssseee  have all of them?"  ::)  Much to my surprise she said yes!!!!  (Im voting her for Saint Hood  ;D)  I couldnt wait to get home from work, there was a bucket on the work bench and inside  found: 2 Beachmaster 155, a 140 Squidder, a Long Beach 68 and 60, a Senator 113, a Penn 180 and what Im assuming to be a Diawa of some sort.....Ohhh yeah I did stop off at the flower store for a bouquet of flowers for her and Im making dinner tonight too   ;).....
(https://i.imgur.com/0gXeu48.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yU61AG7.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on March 01, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
Lucky guy!  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on March 01, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
Excellent score Bill!! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Carl L on March 01, 2018, 05:58:25 PM
OUTSTANDING !!!   


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: bhale1 on March 01, 2018, 06:31:49 PM
Wow... don't find a haul that nice very often!!!! I'm glad they went to a good "Ohana" home.
Oh yeah...good call on the flowers and dinner ;D
Brett


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Long Enuff on March 01, 2018, 07:13:47 PM
Nice, I know the feeling.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on March 01, 2018, 07:14:59 PM
every now and then a blind squirrel finds a nut....or the sun shines on every dog's butt at some point...I'm from the South, I could keep going :)

great score my man, and kudos for the wife for spying it!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on March 01, 2018, 07:19:27 PM
40 bucks and your wife becoming an enabler, doesn't get better than that Bill.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on March 01, 2018, 07:38:17 PM
Goodonya mate! You must have been a very good boy lately.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 01, 2018, 09:02:14 PM
Bill you are making us look bad. Now when i direct my wife to this thread we need to skip oage 63. Thanks alot... ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 02, 2018, 08:59:46 AM
Quote
Well the wife can now be labeled an Enabler  Roll Eyes  She was at a local flea market this morning and called me saying they had a few Penns and wanted to know if I needed any  Wink   I asked her to send some pictures and asked her "how much are they asking?"  She said $5 each  Shocked Shocked  I threw the dice and told her for $5 each "could I pleeeeaaassssseee  have all of them?"  Roll Eyes  Much to my surprise she said yes!!!!  (Im voting her for Saint Hood  Grin)  I couldnt wait to get home from work, there was a bucket on the work bench and inside  found: 2 Beachmaster 155, a 140 Squidder, a Long Beach 68 and 60, a Senator 113, a Penn 180 and what Im assuming to be a Diawa of some sort.....Ohhh yeah I did stop off at the flower store for a bouquet of flowers for her and Im making dinner tonight too   Wink.....

Five dollars each!! Did I just read Five dollars each?? Say it ain't so! Five dollars each?? Seems we are in the world of fiction here........... That is a deal from yesteryear.......... Congrats on the deal and having the prize winning wife of the year.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 02, 2018, 09:23:46 AM
Thanks guys, I will pass this on to my wife....Yes Mike $5 each, and on my way to work this morning I had to go out to the garage just to make sure it wasnt a dream.... but then again I did pick up a NepTuna for $27 also  ;D   Happy Friday everyone    Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on March 02, 2018, 03:01:36 PM
Good catch Bill, if you find another good lady like that, send her over this way, Sheridan a 9/0 of that generation, great find, in good condition, & with the box as well, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Dominick on March 03, 2018, 04:11:27 PM
Sheridan and Bill great finds.  Bill give the wife a couple of bills and send her off to flea markets mor often.  Dominick


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on March 03, 2018, 07:59:54 PM
Bill, does your wife have any unmarried sisters that'er like her?
Kiddin, I'm married already and my wife does buy alota gifts for me, but I'm prayin for her to get somethin like that.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 03, 2018, 10:16:45 PM
 Gfish I got the pick of the litter with my wife Lee 😎  I tore into a couple of the worst ones today the 68 and 60 LBs and they cleaned up pretty good.  Showed them to the wife and she couldn't believe they were the same. She almost passed on them considering the condition, glad she didn't. Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on March 03, 2018, 10:44:02 PM
Nice finds Bill. I picked up a 155 and came in with a few unnumbered parts and I did pick up a 309 and 350 from a fine member of AT.com. I haven't had a chance to get any stink on these but have clocked about 24hrs of shore casting in the last 3 days and they are in the rotation.


Title: This weeks catch...
Post by: Carl L on March 04, 2018, 05:14:43 PM
A No 185 lighthouse, a No 85, a Regal Ocean Side, and a No 15 that appears identical to the regal. Regal must be a "trade" reel.  The simple pull-out handle for free-spool is cool on the regal and 15..


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Carl L on March 04, 2018, 05:19:21 PM
The backside of the 185 and the regal..


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 06, 2018, 03:53:06 PM
I cant believe nobody bid on this. Got it for $31.50 plus shipping. I believe its early 40's second gen without front harness lugs


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on March 06, 2018, 04:00:20 PM
I never saw it !!   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 06, 2018, 04:10:23 PM
I never saw it !!   John Taylor

Im glad!!! LOL
Its not worthy of being near your collection John.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Carl L on March 06, 2018, 05:00:27 PM
I watched that one.. (good catch!)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on March 06, 2018, 06:27:00 PM
Some one may have laid off it because they noticed it was you. ;)
Happy to see it went to a good home..
Clean her up and shelf her with the rest of your oldies.
Enjoy her,


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 06, 2018, 06:52:56 PM
That's a keeper for sure brother......glad it went to a good home...Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Dominick on March 06, 2018, 09:03:48 PM
$31.50 for a 9/0...go out and buy a lottery ticket.  Luck is smiling on you.  Dominick


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on March 07, 2018, 10:17:39 AM
PENN 80 INTERNATIONAL

I have had this Penn International 80 in it's box for quite a few years and had forgotten the neat letters that came with it ! The reel is either a first or second year International you can see it has the early clicker knob that is just round with knurling around edges. These four letters are dated 1968 so reel could be a 1967 production. The guy wrote to Penn apparently looking for a shoulder harness and recommendations for a rod for his new reel. The first letter is Penn getting back to him. I think you should be able to click on pictures to blow them up. What I thought was cool is they recommended Harnell rods !  The next letter was the reel owner getting back to Penn ordering a harness and a Harnell rod !!

The third letter is "Ashway line co" getting back to him with info on there line and the forth was the reel owner again ordering the line that is on the reel now !! He also got a needle for splicing.

I don't think he used the reel much if ever as it is about perfect and I stripped line off and spool is also perfect !! I wanted to leave line on because of the story. I also have box and paper work for this reel. These are the things I really enjoy about reel collecting like finding out the past owners name and where he lived "Michigan"  ????  not a lot of use for an 80 International there !!! I know this reel isn't all that old but it's a cool package and one of my best finds!!    
               Thanks for looking !!   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on March 07, 2018, 10:19:05 AM
last two letters


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Dominick on March 07, 2018, 10:41:08 AM
That is very cool.  Great find.  Dominick


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on March 07, 2018, 10:43:43 AM
He was probably planning on making it out to the ocean for vacations. Perhaps he never made it out.  :-\

Awesome package with all that "provenance".


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 07, 2018, 11:15:02 AM
John,

Absolutely fantastic provenance to go with that great Int. 80.

I have saved your letters for possible future use if that would be all right with you.

Thanks,

Mike C.
 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on March 07, 2018, 11:59:07 AM
Way cool John.  I particularly like the Ashaway letters.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on March 07, 2018, 12:23:10 PM
Yeah Mike you can use them for whatever !  Are you guys able to blow up the pictures of the letters ?? They won't blow up for me ?  John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on March 07, 2018, 01:25:15 PM
Thanks for posting John. I could read them fine on my I phone. That's some old school customer service. Don't see that to much today
Looks like an item on his bucket list that he never checked off. Could picture him sitting on his couch,cold blowing snow planning a fishing trip of a lifetime to some exotic local
What a great package


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on March 07, 2018, 01:52:43 PM
I never noticed those early round/knurled clicker knobs before.  I always thought a full set of first year Internationals would make a great display.  We had a group of 15-30 guys that trailers our boats to the GOM, and MX throughout the 1970s, and early 80s from Minnesota to fish Pelagics, so it's not unheard of for m8dwestern boys to fish Marlin, Tuna, Wahoo, and Dolphinfish.

;)

Cool letters!

Thanks for sharing!

John


Title: A Penn No 15..
Post by: Carl L on March 07, 2018, 05:12:00 PM
No pesky drag washers to replace.. just use your thumbs...       (No airbags for us, we die like real men)


Title: The Penn No 15 next to the Regal Ocean City
Post by: Carl L on March 07, 2018, 05:15:42 PM
I think they're related...


Title: Re: A Penn No 15..
Post by: oc1 on March 08, 2018, 12:10:46 AM
No pesky drag washers to replace.. just use your thumbs...
Yeah, but the model 15 has the high class free spool feature.  Pull the handle out to disengage the main from the pinion.  Does anyone know what that clutch design is called?
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on March 08, 2018, 07:15:06 AM
Carl, you keep sneaking peeks of vintage stereo equipment in with your reels.  Maybe we need an audiophile board? ;D 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Carl L on March 08, 2018, 06:21:54 PM
Haha Decker, that's normally where I prop my feet while "tinkering" in my shack.. It is also the only clear spot to take pics in the whole room!! It is mayhem in there, but I know where 99 percent of the stuff is... its kinda like a hermit crabs cage, the mountains just move around every few days.  P.s. the kenwood receiver was under $40 delivered from ebay.. 20 watts true rms.. and the eq is used to tailor incoming amateur (ham) radio audio.


Title: Is 15 a lot ??
Post by: Carl L on March 09, 2018, 01:30:31 PM
So, playing on Ebay late again, And I come across a "lot" of penn reels. Obviously, This perked my interest as I only had 12 vintage reels in my collection (now 27 hehe..) I did the math, price including shipping was $4.33 each Woohoo !! Pics are the new guys "as I found them"


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on March 09, 2018, 03:22:11 PM
Nice Haul, looks like a white mitchell too. My pictures come out upside down too sometimes, have no idea why. Looks like you'll be busy!! Sometimes you get lucky and find a real sleeper in those groups.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on March 09, 2018, 04:30:00 PM
You know you're running low on space when...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Carl L on March 09, 2018, 04:38:09 PM
Tinkering with reels in my auto repair shop and my buddy sends me this...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: bhale1 on March 09, 2018, 06:48:27 PM
Carl,That's some funny stuff right there!!!
Breft

Edit: Brett😀...sometimes I forget my own name...or maybe I was laughing while typing ?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on March 11, 2018, 01:11:55 PM
I got a lot of laughs from that -4°   ... Polled my wife and kids.

Found this Long Beach 60 for the price of a pizza.  Although I'd used 60's on party boat rentals, I've never owned a Long Beach before.  What interested me in the 60 was a recent thread that Lee started about the newer Seaboy reels.   The 60 and SB185 have some interchangeable parts: base, bars and spool, which sparks franken-reel imagination.  I am really impressed with this one!  First thing I noticed was stainless steel spacer bars.  They look stock, but I didn't know that Penn sold their reels with SS bars.   Am I dreaming, or are the rings stainless too?   Haven't opened it up, but I can't imagine there will be any disappointment.  Anyone have one like this?  


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on March 12, 2018, 12:02:50 AM
Here are the two brothers together, 185 on the left, 60 on the right:


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on March 12, 2018, 01:16:45 PM
Looks like the spool on your 60 is stainless too.I have a 65 the same vintage as yours, but it now has a stainless 30-66 stand and an alloy spool. (http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050290_zpsqrgsqwtk.jpg)
Basto


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on March 12, 2018, 11:00:23 PM
I picked up a 2/0 recently and came in unnumbered. It was spooled with line but luckily had minimal corrosion on spool. If anyone has any interesting info on reel, please let me know. Thanks


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on March 13, 2018, 04:25:40 AM
Those 2/0 senators are Sherman tanks.   


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on March 13, 2018, 12:02:26 PM
Wailua Boy,
   It's a late 40's reel.  Looks all original but the handle is kinda unique as it has very rounded ends like the 60's big game power reel handles.
Nice find and great reel,
Dom
PS- she just needs a handle nut screw. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on March 22, 2018, 03:36:31 PM
just got this two 113h reels from I friend that had these reels without any use since few years ago,

one is a narrow 113h with tiburon frame in really good shape and by the sound the gears and the fast retrieve they're surely newell gears, according the the original owner everything works, it just need a good service.

the other one its a 113h std size with Accuframe an accuplates, the matching red handle sideplate is shot, way too much corrosion internally that the owner had to found a black handle side accuplate for it (now it looks like those blemish avets LOL), I havent opened the reel yet to check how the accuplates look internally, they are suposedly in good shape, the reel is missing some springs, yoke and small bits but the SS accurate gears and handle are there, even if the two sideplates are shot the accuframe looks in great shape.

looks like a nice pair of projects (when the time allows)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 26, 2018, 06:59:24 PM
Sweet reels my brothers....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on March 28, 2018, 04:31:56 AM
"Stole" this "Sail Fisher 180" from the Internet recently.  It kinda resembles a 180 with harness lugs :)  The seller included some copied Penn catalog data (attached below) showing it side by side with a Super-Mariner 49.   According to that literature, at $19  retail, the 130 out-values the 49M by just 50 cents.  Also it has a 3:1 retrieve versus the 3.5:1 of the Super Mariner.  It will clean up very nicely.  I'm wondering if this reel could prove useful for deeper party boat fishing off the coast of NJ.  No shelf-queens in my herd!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Florida Cracker on March 28, 2018, 05:39:57 AM
Nice score.  ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on March 28, 2018, 06:07:46 AM
I think I was watching that one. If it's the same one you did good. Been trying to find a Shelfie for awhile. That one will be a great user


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Carl L on March 28, 2018, 05:01:04 PM
Decker, wheres the copied penn catalog data ??? Pic did'nt show up... please...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on March 28, 2018, 05:08:33 PM
Decker, wheres the copied penn catalog data ??? Pic did'nt show up... please...

Carl, it's easy to miss the PDF link, right here:   http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15800.msg279730#msg279730
  


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on March 30, 2018, 04:27:49 AM
A while back I was watching a recording of the 'Salvage Hunters' (Quest Channel) - When I caught a glimpse of sparkling chrome in a display cabinet - replayed the clip a few times - yep there she was :)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/9780_30_03_18_4_56_09.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/9780_30_03_18_5_01_03_240771122.jpeg)

It transpired that Drew (The Salvage Hunter) was only interested in the brass framed display case - silly man :D
The TV program could have been filmed up to a year ago so I wasn't expecting the shop to still have the reel.
Anyway - long story short - I phoned them and yep they still had it. A few emails and photos later plus a bit of haggling and we agreed a price, subject to viewing.
It hadn't been fished much, i doubt it has ever seen a screwdriver (the screw heads were perfect!). After removing the line there was a bit of rash on the spool that would probably clean up nicely. The only other thing was a slightly torqued handle (that will straighten).
So here is my latest a lovely Penn 115.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/9780_30_03_18_5_01_23_240792062.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/9780_30_03_18_5_04_16_24081991.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/9780_30_03_18_5_02_18_240801978.jpeg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: ReelFishingProblems on March 30, 2018, 04:31:48 AM
That’s a great story!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: bhale1 on March 30, 2018, 05:51:37 AM
Wow, that doesn't happen often. Way to go!
Brett


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: swill88 on March 30, 2018, 06:44:41 AM
Wow! You're my hero!
steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on March 30, 2018, 08:26:18 AM
Good find !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on March 30, 2018, 08:58:22 AM
Well done! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on March 30, 2018, 09:11:39 PM
  I scored this sweet boxed 165 for $32.75 shipped! It's not mine...I was just the buyer. My brother was out of town on business so I bought for him. The listing didn't say the box was stuffed, it only showed the box and reel. Needless to say my brother was stoked. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on March 30, 2018, 10:11:08 PM

 Nice reel Mo, but I think your brother got ripped off....the price on the box says $6  ;)  ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 30, 2018, 10:29:00 PM
Great find on that 9/0 Chris. ;)
That is pretty unbelievable that you saw that reel on a show and chased it down.
Man on a Mission. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on March 30, 2018, 10:32:23 PM
Mike, how does that Penn oil look after all these years?
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on March 30, 2018, 10:43:16 PM
Mike, how does that Penn oil look after all these years?
-steve

   If I'm remembering correctly Steve it was still sealed! There was no pin hole in the tin...she's unopened.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on March 31, 2018, 03:12:56 AM
Daron - it took a couple of weeks to nail it - but mission acomplished :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on March 31, 2018, 12:30:03 PM
Nice reel Chris, good story, about 3 weeks ago I brought a 9/0, a Penn 333GTI self level reel and a Okooma T20L, for Au $50.00 the lot, the 9/0 polished up a bit rough, internally all good, do me to fish with, Nice reel Mike, happy brother alright, I would be to. cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on March 31, 2018, 12:40:20 PM
Beautiful example of the 165, Mo.  Steal of a deal too!
Your bro scored handsomely! ;)
Enjoy,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on April 02, 2018, 12:52:30 PM
Found these three at a bargain, figured if 1 out of 3 worked I'd be happy and salvage the remainder for parts.  Got an 85 Seaboy and two 285 Delmars in the mail this afternoon.  

The Delmar with the green handle knob was seized up, after removing the side plate, saw the reason very quickly.  Crack plastic spool.  Whoever used it last had been running some thick mono on it, at least 50 lb test.  Other than the bad spool everything else inside looks good and it's pretty clean.

The other two reels feel pretty good, especially the 85.  

Nothing really valuable here, these probably didn't cost over 5 or 6 bucks off the shelf when new, but I like the simpler Penns such as the Peerless No 9, the 209, 309, and the 350M.  Rebuilding these non-level wind reels should be much easier.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 02, 2018, 06:29:17 PM
Nothing fatal brother.....good find....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on April 05, 2018, 08:22:28 PM
 Recently stumbled onto this old low budget common Penn 711

 It's been sitting for over 40 years on a backroom shelf at my local tackle shop and the old lube is gummed up so bad it barely turns. Servicing will have to wait until this fall when things slow down a bit for me. Till then its still ok to look at


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 05, 2018, 10:26:53 PM
Is that the original paint Ted?  If so, it's not so common. 
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on April 06, 2018, 05:28:52 AM
A black 711 looking that good? Wow, not common and quite valuable. Nice find!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on April 06, 2018, 08:48:58 AM
Is that the original paint Ted?  If so, it's not so common. 
-steve

 Hi Steve, it is original factory black on this 711

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 06, 2018, 11:50:46 AM
Black, no chips and a medallion.  Maybe closer to 50 years on the shelf.  Really nice.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 06, 2018, 02:41:37 PM
Smooth finish black, model 711. $250 reel, easy; but, you must know that..................<:O)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on April 06, 2018, 02:59:48 PM
Smooth finish black, model 711. $250 reel, easy; but, you must know that..................<:O)

  Hello Mike, I'm no spinning reel guy. I tend to distance myself from them, but if someone hands me any Penn reel for FREE I wont turn them down. I've had black 710 hanging from the ceiling at our bar for over 15 years. It's my land of misfit toys storage facility  :D  :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on April 06, 2018, 06:07:10 PM
Great find,,,,,Nice black 711  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on April 07, 2018, 11:03:26 AM
Recently stumbled onto this old low budget common Penn 711

   Low budget?...common?...a black 711??? A wise guy eh?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on April 08, 2018, 06:02:08 AM
This is a learning lesson. Always look at ALL the pictures before you jump on a $15 “too good to be true” reel LOL. Seller listed as a Long Beach but with primary pic of Bridge City head plate. I hit buy it now before I bothered reading description or looking at all the pictures. So now I am the proud owner of a Penn “Long City”

I bet it was one of you guys LOL you got me!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on April 08, 2018, 06:38:42 AM
If you buy on ebay it happens,,,i got a 37 Seahawk- atlantic,,,or something but you can't win everytime  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 08, 2018, 09:20:12 PM
Quote
This is a learning lesson. Always look at ALL the pictures before you jump on a $15 “too good to be true” reel LOL. Seller listed as a Long Beach but with primary pic of Bridge City head plate. I hit buy it now before I bothered reading description or looking at all the pictures. So now I am the proud owner of a Penn “Long City”

That was fantastic buy. I could probably make a Bridge City and a Long Beach from my parts bin and have two reels for the super low price of one. Great deal!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on April 08, 2018, 09:30:23 PM
There is a "Penn Long Reach" on ebay right now, no telling what treasure is next.  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on April 08, 2018, 10:02:06 PM
There is a "Penn Long Reach" on ebay right now, no telling what treasure is next.  ;D

I hear it's a super-far caster!  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on April 09, 2018, 12:43:00 PM
Found this assortment of five in the mailbox this afternoon, shipped from The Sunshine State.  4/0 Senator, 209, 145 Squidder, 155 Beachmaster and the 85 Sea Boy. I ordered these mostly for the Beachmaster and Squidder, I've heard they are fairly good casters.  You don't see many Penn conventionals in East TN, maybe a Fathom or Squall, maybe a 209 once in a blue moon, mostly used by catfisherman. Not sure I had ever seen a Senator, Squidder, or Beachmaster "in the flesh" lol, maybe in Panama City or Daytona Beach years ago. I'm really impressed with the Squidder, it has the old brass over chrome spool, so I need to find a lighter one eventually.  The Squidder, Beachmaster, and Senator are in fair shape, they have definitely been fished.  The 209 either hadn't been fished much or well taken care of. The old Sea Boy is the only nasty one but it seems to be fully functional.  Only thing obviously not working is the anti-reverse on the Senator.  The pic doesn't do them justice, they can be cleaned and fished.

I'm accumulating a fair little collection of Penn conventionals.  Also have a Surfmaster 200 and Jigmaster S on the way. Before I joined this group last summer the only Penns I had was an old 79 I used as a teenager and a Long Beach 68 I traded a pocketknife for a few years ago.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on April 09, 2018, 01:03:43 PM
Hey Festus,

You are about at the point to get Mike's book on Penn Chronology and history if you keep piling up these halls :) The Squidder ruled the roost for surfcasting for decades after it's inception in the 1930's. The Surfmaster is essentially a bearing model Squidder and shares many parts; it was to get a cheaper alternative to the working man. The Beachmaster is the lower end, non-take-apart model; spools are interchangeable with Baymaster (with stand and bars to fit), and Surfmasters accordingly. Some innards differ. The 145 is a great size and one I've been wanting, having built a few 160's (Beachmaster) and 150's (Surfmaster in that width. There is an "L" spool for it and you will probably find it to be your favorite caster of the bunch with 20-25 mono; you should easily toss over a hundred yards with  a matched stick. Certainly not too much reel not to be fun on cats and stripers up there in Clinch country! I'm a fan of the Louis L'Amour Sackett novels which had a big history in that area. Plus it's next door to me (I'm in NC).  Keep us posted on the clean-up job.


John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on April 09, 2018, 01:26:16 PM
Not sure I had ever seen a Senator, Squidder, or Beachmaster "in the flesh".

   This sounds so familiar Festus...I have said the same thing a few times. I grew up fishing 209s, 309s, and Longbeaches. They were the only Penns we ever saw in southern Ohio. I almost fell out the first time I held a Senator, it was like a religious experience! John is dead on right about that Squidder 145...right there is a dandy catfishing reel! Even the smallest of the Penns (Levelmatics, Baymaster 180s, Squidder 146 and Surfmaster 150) make great river reels. They are light and easy to tote down through the rocks and rip rap. You can narrow that 155 Beachmaster to either a 160 or 180. Lots of options with that buy...enjoy! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on April 11, 2018, 01:40:45 PM
I just picked up this LB65 it's stamped 250yds with wooden handle. It's the first I've seen with this type of handle


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on April 11, 2018, 02:02:47 PM
W-Boy,
    Long Beach 60 is 250 yd. Long Beach 65 is 300yd.
Chris,
   Nice buy on that "Long City" ...easy fix and what a beauty you will have.  The handle is worth more than $15 alone.
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on April 11, 2018, 04:44:24 PM
Thank you for reply Dom and here's the pics. She's not real pretty and looking more like a boat anchor but hopefully can restore or salvage parts. The handle looks black in pic but is definitely wood.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on April 11, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
Got this Delmar? Around what year made,,Hershey clicker,,,no part numbers


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on April 11, 2018, 06:12:37 PM
Hey Festus,

You are about at the point to get Mike's book on Penn Chronology and history if you keep piling up these halls :)
I've been curious about that book, saw online that is out of stock right now but definietly interested.

Certainly not too much reel not to be fun on cats and stripers up there in Clinch country! I'm a fan of the Louis L'Amour Sackett novels which had a big history in that area. Plus it's next door to me (I'm in NC).  Keep us posted on the clean-up job.
BTW, unless I'm fishing ponds, 90% of my fishing is either the Clinch River or its tributaries, Emory River, Little Emory River, and Poplar Creek.  The Clinch River is full of big stripers, cats, and muskies.  A 30-40 lb striper doesn't even arouse curiousity after that 60+ pounder was caught over at Bull Run Steam Plant.  Plenty of 50" muskes in the same area.  Been gobs of 70 and 80 lb blues and flatheads caught out of the Emory.   

Got this Jigmaster S in the mail today. Looks good, is smooth, but it's got one of them durn chrome over brass spools. Also cleaned up  the Beachmaster and Squidder yesterday.  They"re in the back of the pic


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on April 11, 2018, 06:29:28 PM
Am I mistaken Wailuaboy on your new acquisition, or does the head-plate say "65"? Easy to see the tailplate is a "60". The width does look "60 size". I personally like the narrower 60 size for strength purposes.

Festus, the 500s did have a red aluminium spool. I think it mighta been a 50 yr. anniversary edition(1983?). Might be hard to get one...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on April 12, 2018, 10:58:56 AM
Got this old rough 200 Surfmaster in mail today. I was taking it apart, heard someone coming up the driveway.  Some man was lost, looking for a residence to buy a refrigerator.  When I got up the spool rolled into the floor.  Thought nothing about it.  After I got back to what I was doing noticed when the spool fell, two chips were knocked out.  Plastic of course.   >:(


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on April 12, 2018, 11:04:48 AM
Got this old rough 200 Surfmaster in mail today. I was taking it apart, heard someone coming up the driveway.  Some man was lost, looking for a residence to buy a refrigerator.  When I got up the spool rolled into the floor.  Thought nothing about it.  After I got back to what I was doing noticed when the spool fell, two chips were knocked out.  Plastic of course.   >:(

Yeah, those bake-lite spools are in the most danger when out of the reel.  I might have one to give if you want to replace with the same. There is also a stainless model and an aluminum one, in addition to the chromed brass.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on April 12, 2018, 11:49:52 AM
Thanks Decker, I might take  you up on that.  I checked Scott at mysticparts and their aluminum spools $35.85 plus shipping.  I could buy 4 or 5 of these reels for that much.  ::) Gimme some time to look around for a budget aluminum spool somewhere else or a donor reel which has one.

The only malfunction with this reel was the anti-reverse wasn't working.  After I tore it down there was no flat dog spring.  I should have some of those.


 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on April 12, 2018, 11:58:31 AM
Best bet for getting a 29L-200 (aluminum) spool is to find one on a reel.  I don't see many loose ones around.  I Just bought a 155 Beachmaster with that spool for less than the cost of a used spool.  I may be putting the spool on a Penn 350  :)  


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on April 12, 2018, 12:58:17 PM
Yep, that's what I've been doing, buying junk reels for replacement.

I'll take the plastic spool, Decker, if you can find it.  Will save me more looking because I also need spools for two other models besides the Surfmaster. I'll gladly pay postage plus send a contribution by Paypal or money order.  I am accumulating a quantity of Penn parts so maybe I'll have something you need in the future.

Matter of fact I have a Penn 350 with a metal spool, it isn't the chrome or brass, not sure.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on April 17, 2018, 11:59:30 AM
Thanks out to Joe (Decker) for sending me a 29-155 spool to replace the plastic one I broke last week.  Thought I was going to have a problem because it wouldn't jive with my Surfmaster 200.  It fit, but after reassembly the handles would hang up at the 2:00 o'clock position.  Easy to solve that problem, I took the spool from my Beachmaster 155 and put it in the Surfmaster and it worked perfectly.  Then I put the 29-155 spool from Joe in my Beachmaster and it worked fine.

I didn't care for the chrome over brass spool that came with my Jigmaster 500S last week so I ordered an old salt crusted Jigmaster on the cheap and got it in the mail yesterday.  Swapped out the lighter aluminum spool from the junk reel into my 500S and am very happy with the results.

BTW, what kind of line is this on my Beachmaster?  I put this reel on a 6-1/2' Heavy action BBBG rod and it casts very well, but this line will sure take the hide from your thumb.  :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on April 17, 2018, 01:13:31 PM
Looks like braided linen. Thats what came on my 155.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: George6308 on April 17, 2018, 01:54:48 PM
Looks more like 18 lb test sand colored braided nylon squiding line.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on April 17, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
If it's braided linen, it's probably some "vintage" stuff. Been lookin for some a that for me & my son's vintage rigs. Me, a Montague "Stone Harbor" split bamboo-"Geniune Tonkin"- a region in China I think, with famously good bamboo) boat rod with a LB 65 Deluxe reel, and him a  Montague ? split bamboo boat rod witha LB 60. If you wanna get rida that hide remover line( that is, if it's linen) lemme know via PM.
A close-up photo. maybe?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on April 17, 2018, 03:21:10 PM
I showed the line to my wife and she says it's linen.  She should know, she is an expert on fibers, spinning, weaving, etc, used to raise sheep, alpacas, and llamas.  Whatever it is, I've never seen any 'round these parts.  Gfish, I got strict orders if I ever take it off the reel, she wants it.  :-\


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on April 17, 2018, 07:44:56 PM
Gotta 10-4 that!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 17, 2018, 09:31:01 PM
I've never seen braided linen and would have guessed nylon squidding line too.  It's easy enough to tell though.  Just burn the end.  A hard plastic glob means nylon.  An ash that you can flick away means linen or silk.  If it stretches it's nylon.  If it doesn't stretch it's dacron, linen or silk.

Gfish, they stopped making natural fiber fishing line about seventy years ago.  Getting natural fiber to keep it's strength that long requires some really good preservation.  The line would need to be stored better than most WWII uniforms were.  Some of the line you find being passed around on old reels will break at about half the original strength, and some is worse.  Braided nylon squidding line would be period appropriate for a rod and reel post-1937.  There were a lot of split bamboo rods being built then.  The LB are probably post-1937.

If you are going to fish with those rigs, you can buy new braided nylon squidding that is just like the original.  It's made the same way.  Mason Tackle has it.

If the rigs are for display only, I can send you enough twisted Cuttyhunk linen for a top shot that will cover the backing.  I don't have enough to fill a reel though.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on April 18, 2018, 03:39:29 AM
Gfish, check your email, I have a spool, yours if you want it, PM your address and I'll sent it


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on April 18, 2018, 04:21:09 AM
Festus, note leveline 350, 200, 155 spools are interchangeable, as are a lot of  the internals.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Reel 224 on April 18, 2018, 05:34:21 AM
This is a 60 long Beach just as I found it.

Joe


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on April 18, 2018, 06:09:01 AM
Joe, I like that Long Beach, especially with a SS spool.  Yours will clean up very nicely.  Mine is a later version and has SS posts and base as well.    http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15800.msg277070#msg277070 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15800.msg277070#msg277070) Those 60s are little tanks, and I wish we could find a way to get them to a higher gear ratio than 2.5:1  :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Reel 224 on April 18, 2018, 06:59:01 AM
Joe, I like that Long Beach, especially with a SS spool.  Yours will clean up very nicely.  Mine is a later version and has SS posts and base as well.    http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15800.msg277070#msg277070 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15800.msg277070#msg277070) Those 60s are little tanks, and I wish we could find a way to get them to a higher gear ratio than 2.5:1  :)

Joe: I cleaned that reel up a wile ago, It out great. I'm sure that a gear can be found to bring the ratio up just got to experiment with gears that are made by Penn. I have so much work to do on other reels and rods that I can't take time out right now to mess around with that.

Our boat is coming next week and it needs work on the motor so that will take a lot of time, we want to get in the water this season if not next. I don't want to be stuck on shore fishing any longer then we have too. I am going to try to go Black Drum fishing with my friend this month also. That's when the 112H will get a workout. ;D

Joe-two 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 18, 2018, 11:56:01 AM
Here is one just the way I found it ! A buy now on ebay for $450 with only two pictures %^*^%^&*  A little greener than I thought but it's a neat old Harnell rod with it and a good story. The lady I bought it from said her husband who passed away not to long ago used it in the 70s for Giant Tuna off the coast of Portsmouth NH. And that he used to do very well with it !!!  Sat up in garage rafters since then. So the rod has some fish under it's belt. The clean up will be a fun project but I am gonna keep my hopes low on great results !  LOL !!!!  Will post after pictures when done here it is now.       John Taylor     PS even my dog said what the ????????????


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on April 18, 2018, 12:32:06 PM
A beauty!  What size Senator is that?  I just saw something similar and posted information in the For Sale forum. 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 18, 2018, 01:00:18 PM
It's a 16/0 with part numbers. I was hoping it was earlier but nope !!   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on April 18, 2018, 01:59:03 PM
I've never seen braided linen and would have guessed nylon squidding line too.  It's easy enough to tell though.  Just burn the end.  A hard plastic glob means nylon.  An ash that you can flick away means linen or silk.  If it stretches it's nylon.  If it doesn't stretch it's dacron, linen or silk.

Gfish, they stopped making natural fiber fishing line about seventy years ago.  Getting natural fiber to keep it's strength that long requires some really good preservation.  The line would need to be stored better than most WWII uniforms were.  Some of the line you find being passed around on old reels will break at about half the original strength, and some is worse.  Braided nylon squidding line would be period appropriate for a rod and reel post-1937.  There were a lot of split bamboo rods being built then.  The LB are probably post-1937.

If you are going to fish with those rigs, you can buy new braided nylon squidding that is just like the original.  It's made the same way.  Mason Tackle has it.

If the rigs are for display only, I can send you enough twisted Cuttyhunk linen for a top shot that will cover the backing.  I don't have enough to fill a reel though.
-steve

Thanks to both Steve and Sheridan(that's a great 1st name, story?, also my favorite town in Wyoming). Got some Mason Squidding line from my favorite old school Island tackle shop: you know, dark, smells a little like mildew, many overfilled shelves 'n racks, lots of old stuff, mis-priced items, love that place!
PM sent Sheridan


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on April 18, 2018, 02:14:24 PM
It's a 16/0 with part numbers. I was hoping it was earlier but nope !!   John Taylor
Cool! Well worth it IMHO. Imagine what old smells your dog is picking up on... What kinda line do think it's got on it?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on April 18, 2018, 02:53:57 PM
John part of me says leave it as is and hang her up.
Then again another part of me wants to clean her up.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Long Enuff on April 18, 2018, 03:14:59 PM
Just back from Savannah with my latest tub full. Please excuse the non pedigree intruders.


(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/13259_18_04_18_3_47_17.jpeg)

Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on April 19, 2018, 05:17:56 AM
Nice haul !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on April 19, 2018, 08:15:34 AM
Saw that one pop up, John. I gave it a hard look because of the harnell but couldn’t get to the sellers number. The starting bid would’ve been my max but you do amazing things with rods and nice work with reels so I have no doubt you can do it. Can’t believe you got it so fast... you must live down the block from the seller, lol.
Enjoy Your project... looking forward to seeing the results.
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 19, 2018, 10:01:54 AM
Saw that one pop up, John. I gave it a hard look because of the harnell but couldn’t get to the sellers number. The starting bid would’ve been my max but you do amazing things with rods and nice work with reels so I have no doubt you can do it. Can’t believe you got it so fast... you must live down the block from the seller, lol.
Enjoy Your project... looking forward to seeing the results.
Dom

Well Dom I was gonna drive up to Eliot Maine and get it they said they would give me back the $52 shipping I paid. Then the guy said he was driving to Ct. yesterday so I met him just off an exit on Rt. 84 by my house and he still gave me $25 back for shipping !!! I just gave the rod a quick go over last night but will take all guides apart tonight and be more fussy. It cleaned up nice. It's a Harnell # 580  117 lb. rod I believe. It's exactly like the 580 I have but it has been retied fairly nice !!! The butt that came with it will be a bit more of a project but I had one I bought a few years back same thing fits perfect. I got the reel soaking but I was able to get all side plate screws out with out any breaking !! It will clean decent but not quite what we all like. Still not a bad price for a big old rig. Here are  pics of rod so far the one I just got with the reel is on top.    John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 19, 2018, 10:03:45 AM
couple more


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on April 19, 2018, 10:25:09 AM
Damn that looks good!!
Dom you might be thinking of the other harnell that sold last week for $595.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on April 19, 2018, 02:40:19 PM
John, you did quite a job on that rod, as usual I’m impressed. Please tell me the secret to getting the grips white again?  I have one Harnell and was only able to get it deeent with various cleaning supplies of the trade. I’m sure you’ll get the Reel to respectable so make sure you show us what you’ve done when it’s done.  You were very smart for not having that shipped. You can rest assure it’s a two piece package and not 22 pieces when it arrives.
Chris, this is the combo I was talking about, as I knew John got it lickety split in near impossible shipping time.
Sweet job,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 19, 2018, 03:56:33 PM
John, you did quite a job on that rod, as usual I’m impressed. Please tell me the secret to getting the grips white again?  I have one Harnell and was only able to get it deeent with various cleaning supplies of the trade. I’m sure you’ll get the Reel to respectable so make sure you show us what you’ve done when it’s done.  You were very smart for not having that shipped. You can rest assure it’s a two piece package and not 22 pieces when it arrives.
Chris, as you can see this is the combo I was talking about, as I knew John got it luckily split in near impossible shipping time.
Sweet job,
Dom

  This is what I have found works great on those white Harnell grips. You have to go over them a few times but it whitens them up good.
John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on April 19, 2018, 05:18:49 PM
Good old bleach! I wrap a small towel around them with rubber bands, pour the bleach on the towel and let it sit over night if they're really bad. A few I've done twice, gets them really white.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on April 19, 2018, 08:26:16 PM
That Harnell looks Great John.
I will have one of them one day.
Good score on that combo.
You got the magic touch my man. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 19, 2018, 09:05:57 PM
Nice John.

Speaking of Harnell and drifting off topic, I recently bought a really beat up Harnell spinning rod.  The cork was bad, the guides were bad and the wraps were bad, the O-ring was missing from the ferrule.  Ok with me because I just wanted the blank (640).  Everything was stripped off of it and the ferrule was glued shut.  While pulling on a gold thread and letting the rod spin in my hand to unwrap it (you know how you do), the gold thread turned red for a foot or so and then turned gold again.  One continuous piece of thread.  The red was a trim band in front of the fore grip like the lower rod in Johns photo above.  I couldn't tell if it was dyed that way on the thread spool, or if it was dyed as the rod was being wrapped, or if the red was added after it was wrapped.  Also, the blank was a brown phenolic resin tobacco rod that had been coated or painted black.  My memory of Harnell blanks from the late 1960's is that were a dark greyish black to the core.  Curious.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on April 20, 2018, 12:12:03 AM
You guys are the best! Two guesses what I’m doing this weeekend ;)
Thank you much
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on April 20, 2018, 04:27:47 AM
I have quite a few Harnells, they are all coated black over brown glass. The gold is tape,must have been degraded and came off like thread.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 20, 2018, 10:12:39 AM
The gold is tape,must have been degraded and came off like thread.
No, it was not the tape.  I said gold but it was the usual yellow/gold nylon thread.  I pulled a piece out of the trash and took a picture.

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/harnellthread.jpg)

-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 21, 2018, 03:52:24 PM
Well almost done with the 16/0  Harnell combo. I have some new studs for the rod clamp coming so can't put line back on yet. Right now it's all the way it came I even cleaned up the original butt instead of using my new one. There is some brass showing here and there but at least it ain't green !! The rod came out real good !     John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on April 21, 2018, 04:56:55 PM
I love it John!!! Awesome job!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on April 21, 2018, 06:05:51 PM
Looks great  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on April 21, 2018, 06:12:33 PM
Very nice John, you got the marshmallow almost blinding white.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on April 21, 2018, 07:21:16 PM
Really nice work, John.  I'm glad I didn't get that combo because I couldn't have brought that rod back to life like you have.
The reel came out great for what it was just last week. ;)
Those grips came out silly good.
Thanks for showing
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on April 21, 2018, 07:29:38 PM
Dom is a good guy for not buying it out from under you.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 21, 2018, 09:59:39 PM
Really classy and a really classic combo.  It epitomizes a time.  Nice work as always John.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 22, 2018, 02:30:03 AM
Thanks !  I am going to put original line back on and hanger up.  John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Long Enuff on April 22, 2018, 03:56:21 AM
Well done!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on April 22, 2018, 05:52:54 AM
Looks fabulous !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on April 22, 2018, 07:59:13 AM
really nice work John, thanks for showing us, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on April 22, 2018, 08:28:26 AM
That is a brilliant job John welldone that man!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 22, 2018, 08:55:32 AM
That is a brilliant job John welldone that man!

I think BRILLIANT is a strech !!   Lol !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on April 22, 2018, 09:57:12 AM
Man, me and Dom missed out on a GREAT rig!!  I cant stop looking at it!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: swill88 on April 22, 2018, 12:05:29 PM

Sometimes you find them like this.
Can't wait to look inside.
Only thing done so far is rub off a little old brown grease from the handle nut.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/12788_22_04_18_12_42_22_243181761.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/12788_22_04_18_12_42_14_243151569.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/12788_22_04_18_12_42_19_243161615.jpeg)

Coupon for a roll of film.  Anybody every redeem one of these?
(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/12788_22_04_18_12_42_02_243051601.jpeg)

The back of the coupon.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/12788_22_04_18_12_42_09_24305371.jpeg)

As soon as I remember where I put my new T60XN we will get to see how it looks.

tbc... steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 22, 2018, 01:10:37 PM
Nice looking 6/0 Steve .  I like the Penn Reel Fishing Adventure Contest ! Are you tearing that one down for the narrow kit ??  John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 22, 2018, 01:15:14 PM
Thanks !  I am going to put original line back on and hanger up.  John Taylor

Okay won't bore you any more !!  Done with this one.  John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on April 22, 2018, 07:57:11 PM
Steve, you think the "1964" on the film coupon dates the reel? Where'd you get that beauty?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: swill88 on April 23, 2018, 05:24:57 AM
Steve, you think the "1964" on the film coupon dates the reel? Where'd you get that beauty?

Great questions Greg. Got the reel on the big site with a bid I never thought could win. Surprise.

This is my first time attempt at dating a reel.
No idea if the coupon really came from this box because it also came with two catalogs, 35B & 36B, both printed in the 70's.

Looking at Cat. No. 26, copyright 1964 it says NEW! THE SPECIAL SENATORS.. Says red plates but, are they maroon?

My question; did Penn distinguish maroon from red?

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/12788_23_04_18_6_23_06_24323124.jpeg)

Steve






Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on April 23, 2018, 06:10:09 AM
Whatever year it is it's a beauty. Nice score


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: swill88 on April 23, 2018, 06:31:22 AM
Nice looking 6/0 Steve .  I like the Penn Reel Fishing Adventure Contest ! Are you tearing that one down for the narrow kit ??  John Taylor

Thanks John. Here it is.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=25150.msg283344#msg283344

Steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on April 24, 2018, 12:28:51 PM
got some work to do with these guys

both have plastic spools but one of them is broken, time to look for a aluminum one



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on April 24, 2018, 01:01:21 PM
Steve,
   That looks like a first year package to me... Sure is a fine example of one, too.
Nice find,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on April 24, 2018, 02:46:25 PM

 Nice find Steve...a real score

 John Taylor, your restoration skills are phenominal. I have no doubt there were countless hours involved.

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on April 24, 2018, 02:59:17 PM
I got a deal on a few internationals. Here's one of them, a 20 dated to 1984. It looks to be just a narrow 30.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on April 24, 2018, 03:16:40 PM
And a unnumbered surfmaster. Rarely do we find reels in this condition in my region. Thanks Jason


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on April 24, 2018, 04:29:31 PM
   You guys are finding some really cool reels. Steve's 114H is incredible...what a score! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 24, 2018, 05:40:25 PM
That's a nice Surfmaster.  Old, good condition, and a cool speckled spool.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: swill88 on April 24, 2018, 06:44:30 PM
Nice looking 6/0 Steve .  I like the Penn Reel Fishing Adventure Contest ! Are you tearing that one down for the narrow kit ??  John Taylor

Thanks John... it was my plan to use this reel with the narrow frame and spool but, after the comments from you knowledgeable collectors, maybe I should keep this one original and pristine. I've got another one, a maroon model that has already seen some action but the plates are nice. Rings aren't too nice.. It has a Newell stand (with a clamp now thanks to Randy) and a Newell spool. So I need another one???

Am I on the right path?

Steve



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on April 24, 2018, 10:07:55 PM
Yes you are Steve.
That is a very nice Surfmaster.
I would leave it as is.
The rings are hard to find in good shape on a cheap Surfmaster, Beachmaster or Monofil.
I would pick another candidate for narrowing. JMO


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on April 25, 2018, 01:29:01 PM
Picked up this old Squidder 140 for a parts reel for eight bucks.  Other than being very stiff to crank, everything worked, including the lever to kick it out of anti-reverse.  I took it apart, everything was there, but had a hard time getting out one old rusty post screw that had been replaced with one twice the length as the original.

I had intended to bag this up for parts, but since everything is here, maybe I'll clean the exterior up some more and put her back together and use it.

BTW, that leather piece to save thumb hide was made by Pflueger.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on April 25, 2018, 01:49:05 PM
Nice. Thatll be more than parts reel when you are done!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on April 25, 2018, 07:07:02 PM
Picked up this old Squidder 140 for a parts reel for eight bucks. 

   Just the main gear alone is worth the eight bucks...all the rest is more icing on the cake. If you can polish up the side plates, all the rest can be replaced with better chrome if needed. I was thinking, for your style fishing(pretty much same as mine), you could slap those side plates on a Tiburon P16 frame(Squidder 146 width), get a spool, and have a great catfish/striper reel. Whatever you do with it, that's a good buy. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on April 25, 2018, 08:08:36 PM
Picked up this old Squidder 140 for a parts reel for eight bucks. 

   Just the main gear alone is worth the eight bucks...all the rest is more icing on the cake. If you can polish up the side plates, all the rest can be replaced with better chrome if needed. I was thinking, for your style fishing(pretty much same as mine), you could slap those side plates on a Tiburon P16 frame(Squidder 146 width), get a spool, and have a great catfish/striper reel. Whatever you do with it, that's a good buy. 8)
Under a strong magnifying glass those gears look fine.  I like to keep stuff stock, but admit I have been checking out lots of these modification posts.  Does anybody make a frame in orange?  8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on April 26, 2018, 04:31:23 AM
Never seen orange but who knows? I think Pro Challenger is fixing to make a run of aluminum spools, he did orange for the 501 spools, Might do orange for the 146. Would be nice if someone made a faster gear for that reel. Nice score for that kind of money,about a cup of coffee and a danish.
Cortez Conversions 146 kit if you want to go to hog wild, newell aluminum parts work well too. Lots of options or just clean it up and fish it as it is, really can't go wrong with that reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on April 28, 2018, 01:04:15 PM
I'm beginning to like these small Penns.  Beachmaster, Squidder, and Surfmaster especially.  Never really considered a Jigmaster a small reel, and haven't gotten around to spooling line on my newly acquired 500S.

Before I joined this group last August, I only had four Penns.  An old  Sea Mate 79, a couple of old Peerless 9m and a Long Beach 68. Never really cared for the non-level wind reels until recently, was pretty much an Abu purist.  But Penns can be had for a fraction of an Abu.

Last week was the first time I'd tried casting the Beachmaster 155 and Surfmaster 200.  I was impressed by both, especially the lowly Beachmaster.

So I decided to get one of the even smaller reels, a Beachmaster 160.  The seller said this reel had been serviced last fall, and was about a scale of 5 on cosmetics and an 8 or 9 on mechanics.   He was correct.  I removed the tail plate and it was very clean inside. I don't care that much about looks, this reel will be used for fishing.  All it needed was a wipedown on the outside.

Next week I should also get a Baymaster 180 in the mail.  Maybe I'm getting one of those minor mental issues?   ::)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on April 28, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Coincidentally, I just received a baymaster 180 today, not bad for $13.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 28, 2018, 04:51:59 PM
Festus, by the time you realize you may have a problem, it's too late.  Embrace the Darkside, you are among friends 🤣. Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on April 28, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Festus, by the time you realize you may have a problem, it's too late.  Embrace the Darkside, you are among friends 🤣. Bill

   Yep...what Bill said...and that 160 beachmaster rocks. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on April 28, 2018, 07:04:34 PM
Lose 160's are nice small reels, I use reels that size for 20lb mono for hailbut fishing. I put a big 29-49 handle (if I'm not mistaken about this one) on them for more power since mostly I'm casting a short distance under the pier and the added power from the handle length is helpful to put  the wood to them and keep them out of the pilings. I also use a soft 10'12' rod to cast under handed. Not for everyone but that long handle comes in handy in some applications.
If you're looking for a shelfy they pop up with the old boxes pretty regular and the prices on them are pretty reasonable too.
Cool little reel, nice score, blue handle to boot.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on May 03, 2018, 09:48:11 PM
Another late night eBay genius move. A whopping $20 shipped and got it today. This is exactly as it came penn 150. No prts numbers but just a lttlte bit of tlc right?  Guy swears everything is there and it has a stell gear. Be gone for the weekend so I’ll see what I can do next week


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on May 03, 2018, 09:50:14 PM
Oh yeah a picture


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on May 03, 2018, 09:55:51 PM
Got this today too. Absolutely mint 6/0 with beautiful dark maroon plates. No a scratch on the chrome

Be using this for my narrow kit so if anyone is in need of an aluminum 6/0 spool graphite bars, reel seat and clamp let me know. Pictured next to a CC yts to show how dark the plates are
Sometimes you win sometimes well?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on May 04, 2018, 06:03:15 AM
Looks like a late forties model (surfmaster 150). If all the parts are there I’m sure you can get it it purring again.
Plenty of vinegar and simple green and you’ll be all set.
Have fun!
Dom
PS- the worse off a Reel is the better it feels when you get her to look respectable and function properly.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: swill88 on May 11, 2018, 10:40:44 AM

Got my first mottled spool model. This reel is in great shape and under $15.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/12788_11_05_18_11_35_21_24425316.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/12788_11_05_18_11_35_16_24423696.jpeg)

Anybody know if this is the proper stand?
(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/12788_11_05_18_11_35_17_244242270.jpeg)

Steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on May 11, 2018, 11:42:53 AM
   Nice score Steve. I believe that stand is correct, it's the 180 freshwater stand. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on May 14, 2018, 10:44:48 AM
Hi All I have a question regarding Penn 49 click button 36-60. Please see attached photo. I haven't seen this type / shape in the 49 reel before. Is it something someone has seen before on these reels ??
Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on May 14, 2018, 11:28:06 AM
Hmm, interesting, almost looks like someone filed the edges into that shape...  ???


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on May 14, 2018, 11:48:21 AM
Those crop up now and the on a few reels from that time period. I asked the same question awhile ago but can’t find the post. Not super rare and on a few smaller reels too. Nice find and worth having in your collection


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on May 14, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Hi All I have a question regarding Penn 49 click button 36-60. Please see attached photo. I haven't seen this type / shape in the 49 reel before. Is it something someone has seen before on these reels ??
Regards
AC49

   That hex click button showed up on early 40's reels...you'll see them on the Sea Gates. Apparently they made it onto some 49s too.

   I have a "just as you found it" score here myself. This 349H popped on fleabay for $25 or best offer. I offered $15...the seller countered with $20...shipped it was a total of $28. Very seldom can you get a reel this clean for 28 bucks, unless Ted is asleep, HA!!! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on May 14, 2018, 01:20:00 PM
Those crop up now and the on a few reels from that time period.
Thanks for the info, but what time period are we referring to Swami805 ?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on May 14, 2018, 01:23:03 PM
Mike just sold one with that hex clicker.  '42 (or thereabouts) I believe is the year for these clickers.
Nice  find,
Dom
PS- Mo strikes again!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on May 14, 2018, 02:21:18 PM
Hi All I have a question regarding Penn 49 click button 36-60. Please see attached photo. I haven't seen this type / shape in the 49 reel before. Is it something someone has seen before on these reels ??
Regards
AC49

I have a ca. 1942, model 49 with the same hex clicker.  They do show up on a few of the other reel models from this period from time-to-time as well.

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 14, 2018, 02:27:52 PM
Are mottled Squidders common?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on May 14, 2018, 02:45:00 PM
Are mottled Squidders common?

   I've never seen one...got a pic?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 14, 2018, 03:09:55 PM
I may be looking at it wrong. Not really the same “mottling” as we are used to seeing
By the way, nice score on that 349 Mo!!



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on May 14, 2018, 03:48:01 PM
I may be looking at it wrong. Not really the same “mottling” as we are used to seeing
By the way, nice score on that 349 Mo!!

    That's interesting Chris, at first I'd just mark it off as faded plates, but the chrome is awfully good for an old faded reel. I've seen other plates with light swirling in them, not exactly mottled, but not a single color either. It seems the employees could sneak some cool creations past quality control in the old days. I'm still looking for plates with a coin or something pressed in. :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 14, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Thanks Mo! The plates are definitely not faded, they have some sort of swirling going on in them. Now a coin imbedded would be interesting and awesome


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: George6308 on May 14, 2018, 04:36:09 PM
A question that must be asked: Are these reels with the mixed colored parts lunch box specials made up of rejected parts?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 14, 2018, 05:32:50 PM
Quote
Are these reels with the mixed colored parts lunch box specials made up of rejected parts?

No. There are special order mixed color part reels; but, I have never heard of one made in the factory from rejected parts. Rejected parts get thrown away.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on May 21, 2018, 08:06:29 PM
A Jigmaster 500M, possibly mid-'60's. Should get me one more JM closer to a complete Jigmaster collection. This'n had the box and manual and I believe they probably all go together. Note the manual's "suggested" retail price for the M(non-plastic spool model): $17.95, and the bottom of the box is marked $19.95-?

Coolest thing for me is the nostalgia factor of seeing a good old fashioned "GUARANTEE"! on page 1(the reel above that is a picture of a 309M, not my 500M)Ah, the good old days...

Penn did a great job with their manuals, combining advertising for other reel models, up-grade parts, maintenance, repair, explaination of function, parts lists, etc.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: festus on May 21, 2018, 08:25:28 PM
Nice Jigmaster, looks like it's been well taken care of.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on May 21, 2018, 08:48:30 PM
Cool! Steel main gear. Chromed bridge, eccentric, and eccentric jack. Standard leather drag washers.
Yeah, festus, nothin on this one is worn too much. No gouges in the bakelite, no major scratchs in the chrome. Some minor pitting on the posts and then it looks like some major patina on the spool below the mono. Gonna keep it stock. Very smooth operatin 50+ yr. old Jiggy.

What's a best grease or oil for leather drag washers?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 22, 2018, 01:40:56 AM
Nice job man!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on June 19, 2018, 11:51:07 AM
What's a best grease or oil for leather drag washers?
I haven't tried it but several guys have commented that neatsfoot oil works great. I'd say it prolly does being it's a conditioning agent for leather.


   I picked up another Silver Beach 99...I couldn't pass it up...these are such cool reels! This first pic is "just as I found it". Note that it has the plain tailplate.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1802/42186463644_472757afa7_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27gSDTs)

   A former owner installed Newell bars and a #24-66 handle. I'm going to leave this reel "just as I found it", except for a little cleaning up.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1827/28036155077_911117be98_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JHsC96)

   These bars were very scratched...a little paint should help out.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1768/29032471228_e22059909e_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Lev1dL)

   This is the first time I've seen brake lining drags in a #5-60 gear! They're staying...just because.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1809/42856519442_8e058e9c98_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28i5S8C)

   Here she is all dolled up, I really like the plain tailplate.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/876/42856517572_68ac8d9eff_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28i5Rzo)

   These old skool hot rods are the whip. 8)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1783/42856518332_69c45eea78_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28i5RNu)



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on June 19, 2018, 12:04:50 PM
Lookin good Mo!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 19, 2018, 12:46:17 PM
Crack that Whip!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on June 19, 2018, 12:55:44 PM

 Nice reel Mo

 Looks like the polished stainless spool. Those ain't easy to find and they are very solid lightweight spool. Very short lived production run makes me guess they were cost prohibitive and Penn made changes to stay competitive


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on June 22, 2018, 05:02:53 PM
I just got few jigs and a 113HLW in and cant wait to get them wet. Have a good weekend and tight lines.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Fishy247 on July 07, 2018, 08:29:27 AM
Here's a 99 that I found on fleabay...a bit beat up, but hopefully it'll clean up nicely. I started taking it apart and noticed that there weren't any numbers on anything other than the foot...any ideas on how old this is?
Thanks,
Mike


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Fishy247 on July 07, 2018, 08:30:57 AM
More pics...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wailua boy on July 07, 2018, 08:45:25 AM
I would say a very early 40's era but hopefully someone can add some more info for you.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on July 07, 2018, 10:26:18 AM
What you have looks all correct except the head plate... it should say "Silver Beach." It later became known as a "99."
The numbers on the bottom (linen line capacity) are indicative of a pre war silver beach.  The 99 came out in the late forties I believe.
Get those screws out and put in some new (era correct) screws and a new head plate (not too easy to find) and it would be an all original late 30's Silver Beach.
Enjoy your restoration,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Fishy247 on July 07, 2018, 11:25:31 AM
Thanks Dom, I figured it was prewar because it had no numbers. I've opened it up and the internals are in pretty good shape once I got the old grease and verdigris off the chrome. What screws are you referring to? The ones on the tail plate?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on July 08, 2018, 03:55:39 AM
Yep, the tailplate screws look like they need some love or to be replaced and the holes could use some, too ;)
Stay fishy and have fun,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 08, 2018, 11:08:38 AM
 Since we are on the 99 subject, I stumbled onto a mid 50's 99 several months ago and the box & catalog are a little worn, but the reel looks unused and unhandled. The price was too good to walk away from


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 08, 2018, 11:15:27 AM
 This particular 99 has very non typical Penn logo. Penn had "pat'd" in all the logo's but this logo just says "Penn silver beach 99". I'm pretty certain Penn dropped the "silver beach" from this logo in the 60's and then added pat'd to the logo


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on July 08, 2018, 02:08:57 PM
That is in beautiful condition.
You might be able to date mine. It has the same logo.
thanks
Basto

(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/99%20head_zpsripecovp.jpg)
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1040547_zps8rlws3n9.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 08, 2018, 03:37:30 PM
That is in beautiful condition.
You might be able to date mine. It has the same logo.
thanks
Basto


 Basto, your looks to have no visible part numbers ....total guess would be1949/50


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: basto on July 08, 2018, 04:28:08 PM
Thanks for your reply.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on July 09, 2018, 04:31:25 PM
Just an early warhorse 114 with externally accessible drags and my favorite butterscotch grip. I had to replace clamp but had some left over from Cortez upgrades so net zero. The rod is crapppp but for $20 I'll always snag this one. Inside was nice, with steel main, and it deserved a good clean and lube.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 09, 2018, 04:48:47 PM

 A very solid winch John, and $20 is darn good bang for your buck. Money leftover to build a decent rod for it

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on July 09, 2018, 06:46:12 PM
Yeah...excellent way to spend a 20 spot...great buy John. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: George6308 on July 10, 2018, 07:11:24 AM
My Penn Silver Beach 99 which I purchased in the late 60's from Herman-Brooks in the Roosevelt Mall still has on its side plate "Penn 99 made in USA". Its has never been used.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on July 10, 2018, 07:21:04 AM
Gorgeous!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 10, 2018, 07:30:30 AM
 Beauty George.....50 years is a long time to hang onto any  reel.

  .....of course now it isn't nearly as common and in this pristine condition is nearly impossible to find.


  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Mattman NZ on July 15, 2018, 11:30:28 PM
Scored this 9/0 on our local Trademe auction site - just gave it a quick clean and lube but no box or paper work can anyone give me a rough idea on what year it was made ? - all parts are numbered has steel main and pinion 3 stack asbestos drag washers solid chromed brass - bronze spool .

Rgds

Matt...
  


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on July 16, 2018, 05:57:03 AM
nice one!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 16, 2018, 06:25:14 AM
Quote
Scored this 9/0 on our local Trademe auction site - just gave it a quick clean and lube but no box or paper work can anyone give me a rough idea on what year it was made ? - all parts are numbered has steel main and pinion 3 stack asbestos drag washers .

Going by the handle, asbestos drags and the one piece spool, I would guess 1956.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on July 16, 2018, 09:46:55 AM
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Well I know this is going to get trampled by the "Model F controversy" but it's a pre part number 12/0 I bought of ebay a couple months ago and I just cleaned it up yesterday. I am not great a dating Penn reels like most of the rest of you but I am thinking 1940 or so ?

Happy Thanksgivings John. My humble opinion on this reel is that it is a late 1940's post-war reel because of the obvious fact that it is a second generation reel and that the spool is pinned and not drilled. I would think pre-war reels had drilled spools and the info is still controversial on whether the second gen build style for the Model 116 exists in a pre-war time zone for production reels. Maybe someone can document that (I just found a 12/0 second gen picture from 1941). The catalogs say it ain't so...........
So to go back to the beautiful 12/0 John Taylor posted on page 45 of thos thread, there was some discussion of whether second gen 12/0 existed with a first gen build style (drilled spool). I found one. Pics forthcoming.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on July 16, 2018, 09:51:26 AM
Going by the handle, asbestos drags and the one piece spool, I would guess 1956.

Is that a stainless spool?

Super-nice condition reel!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on July 16, 2018, 11:31:50 AM
Two more. It is in the second gen build style, first gen logo, knurled counterweight handle with (as Dom would put it) large areola oil port,, drilled spool arbor



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on July 16, 2018, 01:31:09 PM
Boy what a beauty Chris she is shinning !!!!   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on July 16, 2018, 01:47:04 PM
Boy what a beauty Chris she is shinning !!!!   

   I have to agree! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 16, 2018, 03:00:43 PM

 Stunning 12/0 Chris.....it has all the traits of the earliest gen2 senators. I have exact same.e 12/0 as yours, but it was used for over 40 years by original owner and shows it, but I still love it

  I think your early gen2 12/0 would be front row in any reel collection....nice score  !!

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on July 16, 2018, 03:36:42 PM
Thanks Ted!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on July 16, 2018, 06:58:41 PM
Beauty of a reel, Chris... they do exist, but few in that condition I would think
Enjoy her,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on July 17, 2018, 03:40:47 AM
That is really a beauty !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on July 17, 2018, 05:57:56 AM
VERY nice reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on July 17, 2018, 06:15:42 AM
That a great looking 12/0 ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on July 17, 2018, 06:25:12 AM
Thanks guys! So is the consensus now that second gen 12/0 existed pre war? What year would you say this one is? 1941-ish? If so, is it safe to say very few of these are out there?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 17, 2018, 07:55:24 AM

 Hard to say Chris, but pre war Penn factory was going full bore and increasing production every year until late 1941.

 It's my belief that gen2 started in 1941 and many of those reels will have 1st gen components.....like lugs, counterbalance, and drilled arbor spool. It is popular consensus that most if not all drilled arbor Penns are pre war. Coin edge cb is also a sign of a pre war penn


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on July 17, 2018, 06:21:11 PM
My dad picked these up at a estate sale,,,,is the squidder 1940  :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 17, 2018, 07:27:32 PM
 The horizontal title on black box would be somewhere around 1950-53

  If it were 1940's the title on the label would be slanted

 Great score either way , the reel looks correct and unused and easily worth $125 or more with the box and all accessories !!

  Ted

  


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on July 17, 2018, 07:35:42 PM
The horizontal title on black box would be somewhere around 1950-53

  If it were 1940's the title on the label would be slanted

 Great score either way , the reel looks correct and unused and easily worth $125 or more with the box and all accessories !!

  Ted

  
thanks man,,,,my dad is going to like that ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on July 17, 2018, 10:06:11 PM
Nice score Benni,you're Dad has a good eye. You could date it by the catalog if it's in there


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on July 18, 2018, 07:26:11 PM
Nice score Benni,you're Dad has a good eye. You could date it by the catalog if it's in there
thank you sir and that's one sale I missed out on,,,25 tackle boxs full 100 rods and reels,,but my dad did good he got 6/0 and rod,,,,but who knows what else was there :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 18, 2018, 08:01:03 PM
I would be very happy with those two.
They are fine specimen's.
Your Pop has a good eye. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on July 20, 2018, 07:30:26 PM
I would be very happy with those two.
They are fine specimen's.
Your Pop has a good eye. ;)
yes I am :D on the boat when dad tells me to hand hem a rod and I look at it,,,it's a monofil  :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on July 25, 2018, 02:47:15 PM
I got a couple this week. First is a minty black Senator 114H.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on July 25, 2018, 02:49:31 PM
Then this minty anniversary 4/0


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 25, 2018, 03:07:22 PM

 Both reels are great finds and both highly sought after by most Penn enthusiasts. Wish they woulda made more of those red 113hl and 114hl

  Ted

 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on July 25, 2018, 03:12:56 PM
   Great Caesar's ghost...yeah...what Ted said! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on July 25, 2018, 03:30:12 PM
Thanks guys!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on July 25, 2018, 03:49:38 PM
Dominic is gonna be drooling over that 6/0 with Broadway B&T tape on it!!!!!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on July 25, 2018, 03:58:27 PM
Dominic is gonna be drooling over that 6/0 with Broadway B&T tape on it!!!!!!
Yea I thought that was kinda neat. I pulled off all the mono and found that so decided to leave it. There is a receipt in the box from same store tho it doesn’t specify what was purchased



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 25, 2018, 04:00:56 PM
Money right there. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 26, 2018, 10:48:17 AM
Two great old Penn collectibles. The 114H seems to have black side plates. That is a flag to a collector. great find. Love the Broadway ID tape.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on July 26, 2018, 12:09:49 PM
Thay look great,,,,clean ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on July 26, 2018, 02:33:38 PM
Thanks again guys. I got one more. You may have seen it last week. This 12/0 has the sticker from the store that sold it. Duvalls Sporting Goods in Los Angeles. Cant find much info, but theres a guy who posted a picture on page 11 or so of the “Show off Your Long Beach” thread of a early Long Beach with same sticker. Any info on this store would be greatly appreciated.
I wish the box had the price legible but since its a post war reel with lighthouse box the price should be $60



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on July 26, 2018, 05:09:41 PM
You must have about fifty 12/0s !!!  You trying to gettem all ??? Lol !!  Really nice collection you getting Chris !!  Good for you.   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on July 26, 2018, 06:08:55 PM
That's a stunner there!

That's the kind Ted likes.  Those lighthouse boxes are getting tough to come by.  Makes me regret selling the NOS 9/0 from the same era.  This one is more scarce then the 9/0.

Nice find!

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 26, 2018, 10:41:26 PM
There is nothing wrong with 50 12/0's. ;)
Nice reel!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on July 27, 2018, 03:23:59 PM
So I don’t mean to runaway with the thread but this combo showed up today. Its a Fenwick 640/International 50. Serial number of the rod dates it to 1968-69 and the reel dates to 1971

For $199 and free shipping I Jumped on it hard while wife and I were elbow deep in snow crab legs at red lobster on Saturday night. Got melted butter all over my Iphone.
She was not amused nor pleased.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on July 27, 2018, 03:53:59 PM
The Internationals look like Silver and Gold Jewelry when there all shinned up and I really like the Old school butterscotch handles !!! I know there not rare or that old but they are about my favorite Penn Reels !!!! Then matched up with a really nice Fenwick   SWEET COMBO !!!!    John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on July 27, 2018, 04:27:21 PM

 Nice combo Chris

I'd say you got the reel for free at the price you paid for that combo

 Nothing wrong surfing the web while feasting on crab legs ....

......it's called multi tasking !!

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on July 27, 2018, 05:18:44 PM
I like it!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on July 28, 2018, 02:30:35 PM
This has been a good week. Snagged this mint 113HLW. “Appears to have never been used”, as seller described,  is the understatement of the year on this one. I couldnt believe when I saw it. This now completes my set of three. Odd thing on this HLW is the bars are reversed front to rear???


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on July 29, 2018, 04:07:15 AM
Very nice looking set.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on July 29, 2018, 04:39:19 AM
Thanks Brian. It pales in comparison to your collection.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on July 29, 2018, 08:32:52 AM
Hey Chris, where are you finding all these reels?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on July 30, 2018, 05:15:30 AM
Chris, you are killing it! Highway robbery on the Fenwick / 50!!! I'm a fan of the First Gens too...I use them (more on that later). They first got my interest in a picture in Jack Samson's Sportsmans' World, 1979...with my favorite butterscotch handle. Plus, on a vintage Fenwick with pink Ande screams ole skool...just need a Bertram 31 :)

I guess stock, the spacer bars are solid in front but I flip mine to give more of a topless handling aspect. 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on July 30, 2018, 02:46:14 PM
That's a very cool looking set of reels ;D great job


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 02, 2018, 05:45:38 PM
THAT WIDE 4/0 IS AWESOME. GREAT FIND :o :o :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on August 02, 2018, 06:05:05 PM
Fact or fiction  ???


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on August 02, 2018, 06:30:12 PM
Nice one Benni, You going to fish it? Knuckle buster cat fishing!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on August 02, 2018, 07:14:36 PM
Nice one Benni, You going to fish it? Knuckle buster cat fishing!
with a pfueger patch,,,I could hear my dad now  your now bringing that on my boat  :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on August 03, 2018, 02:08:09 AM
Love that handle!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on August 03, 2018, 03:23:34 AM
I agree, cool knob! maybe I'll try making one a little larger, when I get a chance.


You're getting some cool stuff Benni ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on August 03, 2018, 06:17:24 AM
Thanks guys,,,didn't know if that was the right handle for that reel or about what year it was,,,,but it's in very good shape  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on August 03, 2018, 06:28:17 AM
Thanks guys,,,didn't know if that was the right handle for that reel or about what year it was,,,,but it's in very good shape  ;D

   I believe that 249 came out in '39...and the first ones did have that style knob. This was a much used practice by Penn in the early days...bring out the latest and greatest designs on the high end reels while moving the previous designs to the budget models.

Love that handle!

   Me too! That's the awesome 1938 knob...I have one on this old Long Beach. It's actually a very comfortable knob, but the masses obviously loved the torpedo knob, because when it appeared in 1939 that '38 knob faded into history. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on August 03, 2018, 06:37:31 PM
Thanks mo,,,that long beach is getting hard to get ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 03, 2018, 09:58:48 PM
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Thanks guys,,,didn't know if that was the right handle for that reel or about what year it was,,,,but it's in very good shape  Grin

That handle was used from 1949 to 1955. The style of the counter weight is the tell. It is the correct handle for a Model 249; but, not a 149 or 49.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on August 04, 2018, 07:05:22 PM
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Thanks guys,,,didn't know if that was the right handle for that reel or about what year it was,,,,but it's in very good shape  Grin

That handle was used from 1949 to 1955. The style of the counter weight is the tell. It is the correct handle for a Model 249; but, not a 149 or 49.
thank you for your help,,,, :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on August 05, 2018, 04:39:52 AM
This early model 49 was a $30 antique store find yesterday. Antique stores around here usually have junk for fishing gear, so this was a nice surprise.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on August 05, 2018, 11:09:37 AM
Nice save,,,antique stores sometimes makes nautical themes out of them  :D that's a nice looking reel ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 05, 2018, 09:49:01 PM
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This early model 49 was a $30 antique store find yesterday. Antique stores around here usually have junk for fishing gear, so this was a nice surprise.

 :o :o :o Wow, beautiful reel!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on August 09, 2018, 03:48:18 PM
? Mono no2,,,,?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 09, 2018, 04:25:07 PM
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? Mono no2,,,,?

One of those A B Normal reels............. :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on August 09, 2018, 06:11:57 PM
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? Mono no2,,,,?

One of those A B Normal reels............. :)
I didn't really believe it was a misprint until I looked at it :) but black spool and side plate  ??? and the patina looks the same


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on August 09, 2018, 07:32:09 PM
 Black tail plate, maroon mid 60's headplate, mid 40's handle.....yep it's from the land of misfit toys  ;)  ;)

 What I see is a possible 1940's 155 that had broken head plate and a 1960's monofil plate was used to replace it

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on August 10, 2018, 08:31:54 PM
Thanks guys for your help  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on August 11, 2018, 03:45:25 AM
Here’s an early cutaway Delmar 285....courtesy of the USPS 😡


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on August 11, 2018, 04:48:51 AM
I almost went for that one, too.  It was in spectacular shape... that's a shame, but still some nice shiny, tough to find parts ya got there.
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on August 11, 2018, 09:26:38 AM
That's a shame Chris.  On the bright side at least it wasn't a Model K......and not meaning to steal your thunder.....As many know we are buying a house and the wife put me on Reel Restrictions  :-\, saying I cannot buy anything until we get into the house.  God bless the little lady  :D, she came home last night with a handful of old rods and a couple reels she picked up in the Lake Arrowhead area, very close to where we are buying..said she paid $20 bucks for the bundle  :o...in the bundle is this non-numbered Peer 109, and a J.C. Higgans split bamboo rod.  I will post the other reel in a separate post as there are no markings what so ever.
(https://i.imgur.com/4ji4pAX.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/9hatOnG.jpg)
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Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on August 11, 2018, 09:45:44 AM
Nice score Bill!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on August 11, 2018, 10:00:16 AM

 Bill, that 109 is an absolute home run !!

 Chris, the smushed Delmar is. 1st year model and still has many good parts to be able to make it correct again. Sideplates can be found at a very fair price. USPS can't prevent breakage when an item isn't property packaged.IMHO


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on August 11, 2018, 11:00:48 AM
Bill, that JC Higgins hex-split bamboo looks just like a couple of Montagues me and my son have. The company made alot of 'em, so maybe they did the trade thing too (as in trade reels).


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on August 12, 2018, 08:28:49 AM
That would be cool if it was a Montague....I will have to scrounge through my recycled guides to replace the missing guide.  It would be fun to fish the old bamboo before making a wall hanger.  I packed all my Penn books so cannot get a closer date on the 109.  I'm thinking it's too clean to fish, as this one spent its life fishing fresh water all it life.   Also in that bundle was a home made rod made from a willow (?) branch.  A little crooked but well made.  It would make a fun bluegill rod.  Might have to rehab that one too. Bill

EDIT:  A little research shows Montague did make rods for Sears in the JC Higgins name.  A litttle more revealed photos of Montague with the same wooden handles......so I am thinking you are right it was probably made by Montague......I'm liking this rod more and more.....

EDIT: my wife went back and found the original box for the 109...  I packed my Penn Chrono books so I can't look it up, if anyone has a book handy can you tell me what years were the 109 $11.00?  Thanks my brothers


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Cuttyhunker on August 23, 2018, 02:07:48 PM
Scored a bunch of goodies today on a CL add including a 209 and box that looks brand new, and a 111 2/0 Senator.  Was after the Internationals but there is also a 14/0 on a Penn rod, not a virgin some corrosion but functions fine that will be going up for sale if anyone is interested.  Will post more pics later


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on August 23, 2018, 02:34:47 PM
That would be cool if it was a Montague....I will have to scrounge through my recycled guides to replace the missing guide.  It would be fun to fish the old bamboo before making a wall hanger.  I packed all my Penn books so cannot get a closer date on the 109.  I'm thinking it's too clean to fish, as this one spent its life fishing fresh water all it life.   Also in that bundle was a home made rod made from a willow (?) branch.  A little crooked but well made.  It would make a fun bluegill rod.  Might have to rehab that one too. Bill

EDIT:  A little research shows Montague did make rods for Sears in the JC Higgins name.  A litttle more revealed photos of Montague with the same wooden handles......so I am thinking you are right it was probably made by Montague......I'm liking this rod more and more.....

EDIT: my wife went back and found the original box for the 109...  I packed my Penn Chrono books so I can't look it up, if anyone has a book handy can you tell me what years were the 109 $11.00?  Thanks my brothers

Yeah. The kid and I took three bottom fish trips this Summer. The 2nd n' 3rd trips we winched up some big Lingers n' Rockies. I really like mine for that kina fishin. Gonna give the youngster my Penn 350 though, as he can't seem to get useta no levelwinder usin a L.B. 60. "Son I have 2 words for you:'line management' ", me as I 'm clearin the loose wrap birds nest on the way back. I got smart though, and shelfed 70+ yr. old L.B. 65 Deluxe, when I noticed the gear sleeve beginnin to collapse. I'll be usin the 60.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Cuttyhunker on August 24, 2018, 01:10:48 AM
Here's the 2/0 from the lot I picked up yesterday, wrong handle, functions fine but it sure needs a bath and some love.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on August 24, 2018, 03:58:33 AM
Everybody with some nice scores!


Bill if you want to fish a 109, and I don't, I think I have one in parts you are welcome to when you get your shop unpacked. I know you wont see this for a few days, no hurry or worry.


I hate it when I see craigslist ads like that....I get all twitchy! That's a nice 2/0, and the handle may worth at least half what the reel is, though yes not original.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on August 28, 2018, 12:03:38 PM
What is the purpose of those double-guides, with the loop tip?  

UPDATE: Found another thread that explains it:  http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15315.0

(https://i.imgur.com/9hatOnG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DBzt5UZ.jpg)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on August 28, 2018, 12:31:16 PM
So when the old wood rods start to take a set you can flip them over and fish them the other way.  I think   Lol !!!!   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 29, 2018, 10:05:52 PM
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So when the old wood rods start to take a set you can flip them over and fish them the other way.  I think   Lol !!!!   John Taylor

That would be correct. Or, if you flip them regularly, they will never take a set.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on September 13, 2018, 10:04:42 AM
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So when the old wood rods start to take a set you can flip them over and fish them the other way.  I think   Lol !!!!   John Taylor

That would be correct. Or, if you flip them regularly, they will never take a set.

clever !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on October 01, 2018, 11:29:51 AM
Brand new, no box, $23 delivered to my door. What a cool little reel, maybe use it for bait fishing or sit it on a shelf...
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Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on October 01, 2018, 02:13:11 PM
   23 bucks is a great buy on that reel...the spool alone is worth more. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on October 01, 2018, 02:34:45 PM
   23 bucks is a great buy on that reel...the spool alone is worth more. 8)
That's good to hear, Mo, thanks!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 01, 2018, 08:03:11 PM

 Cool little reels, and for that price I'll take 10 please.........and also like the newell style click button.

 Ted

 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on October 01, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
Found a good home for it, going to send it to Lee who's been working on the Seaboys lately, I know he'll appreciate it more than I.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Cuttyhunker on October 08, 2018, 10:36:12 AM
Came across this pre war Penn 49, no number, coin edge counterweight in pretty good shape, smooth free spool but very tight cranking, looks like the bridge is gettin a WD 40 bath.  Torpedo is smooth turning probably hasn't been used since FDR was in the White House.  The clamp is the older one hole and a slot, have another one on a no numbers squidder.  When did Penn go to the 2 hole clamp? Are the clamps in any way a reliable dating tool?
Thank You 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 08, 2018, 11:37:02 AM

 Thru all my years of buying and selling older Penns, my best guesstimate is the slotted clamp was phased out in 1953/54. Your 49 is definitely pre war IMO

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Cuttyhunker on October 08, 2018, 12:05:30 PM
Thanks Ted,
It's going in the case after a bath, not for sale, but what would you estimate as a rough value? Only fault right now seems to be a tight, but moving bridge sleeve.  No box etc.  As for the slotted clamps I do have 4 old Surfmasters with numbers from dad, best guess mid 50's no slots.
Thanks Again,
Bob

PS Mike C's value book is on the way here


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 08, 2018, 01:44:27 PM

 The 49 was very popular and mass produced from the get go and for that reason alone it will always remain as an "affordable" but also collectable reel
 

I'd say $35-50 depending on condition


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Cuttyhunker on October 10, 2018, 10:23:37 AM
I've been picking up 49's to fish my boat retro on the stripers and blues, have the old rod's from the 60's and 70's.  This last of the 49's that came in looks pre war too but there is no coin edge on the counterweight, just smooth.  From what I've been learning if the vendor messed this up, Penn would have just probably put the reels out as there is no effect on the function.  Mike says never say never about Penn so is anyone smart about this? Custom made, vendor FUBAR, Another dating tool?  No numbers, 4 boat tail, and twisted linen on the spool.
Thanks


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 12, 2018, 09:20:05 PM
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I've been picking up 49's to fish my boat retro on the stripers and blues, have the old rod's from the 60's and 70's.  This last of the 49's that came in looks pre war too but there is no coin edge on the counterweight, just smooth.  From what I've been learning if the vendor messed this up, Penn would have just probably put the reels out as there is no effect on the function.  Mike says never say never about Penn so is anyone smart about this? Custom made, vendor FUBAR, Another dating tool?  No numbers, 4 boat tail, and twisted linen on the spool.

The one piece, plain counter weight I find to be late 1940's. it was the transition from the coin edged version to the laminated type. IMHO...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Cuttyhunker on October 17, 2018, 06:28:03 AM
Thank's Mike,
It'll be getting HT100's one on top of the bridge and three in the stack to get back out there.  An interesting little variation.
Bob


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 19, 2018, 02:31:23 PM
Im going out on a limb and assuming this was a good deal at $30 shipped?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 19, 2018, 03:17:42 PM

 You did ok.....I would've paid $40 and $40 shipping  ;)  ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 19, 2018, 05:38:29 PM
Uh, Yea!
Sweet reel JT. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on October 20, 2018, 07:55:57 AM
Put that green reel in your safe deposit!

I got this 180 Baymaster on a Montague rod base at a great price. The 180 has become a favorite of mine for jetty and pier fishing.  Simple, light, and can take all the Surfmaster 100 upgrades. The rod was a cherry on top. Don’t know much about older rods, but I have seen this butt section on bamboo rods. I’m no collector, and wonder if this could be put to use.  The craftsmanship is beautiful. The reel seat is a bronze-colored metal.

The ferrule opening is about 3/8 inch.  Could a rod be built using this as a base?  I’d like it as a shallow bottom fishing rod for fluke, blackfish, etc. 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 20, 2018, 08:47:56 AM
Chris, good buy on that green 109.  Almost too good to fish....almost  ;)

Decker, really like that rod.  I'm sure a rod could be built for the handle.  How deep is the ferrule go into the handle?  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on October 20, 2018, 08:58:00 AM
I really like the old Montague hardwood rod handles. Supposed to be alot of Montagues out there, so you'll probably find something that fits. Carefull of that metal on those old Montagues, it can tear pretty easily.

I gotta a 180("s") witha plastic spool that I's gonna donate if yer interested, yours for shipping cost or trade value.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on October 20, 2018, 10:17:13 AM
Bill. The ferrule depth is shallow, 1 3/8 inches.

Gregg, I could probably put the 180 to good use; will PM you.  Thanks!

Any idea what the reel seat metal is?



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 20, 2018, 09:32:36 PM
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Don’t know much about older rods, but I have seen this butt section on bamboo rods. I’m no collector, and wonder if this could be put to use.  The craftsmanship is beautiful. The reel seat is a bronze-colored metal.

The reel seat might be German Silver. That handle looks like a surf handle. The ferrule is a common design from the 1920's and 30's. Back then rod tips were classified by weight categories. Early IGFA records were set by a particular sized fish caught on a rod tip of a certain weight. Finding the correct split cane tip for that handle would be a challenge. The tip should have a metal ferrule that would fit into the handle.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on October 20, 2018, 11:43:40 PM
Joe, I bet that if you ran a 5/16 inch drill bit up into that ferrule you would find the broken remains of a split bamboo blank.  It should be about three inches deep.  I do not believe there is a metal bottom on the ferrule but it will be obvious when the drill bit hits the solid oak handle.

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/montyA.jpg)

Your handle looks longer than mine so the blank was probably longer too.  I'm guessing mine was probably 5-1/2 to 7 feet with a #10 or #12 tip.  Probably red agatine inserts in the guides.  

You may be able to find a junk split bamboo rod with a section of blank that could work.  I wouldn't rule out a fly rod if it has a center section with the right specs.  Sometimes there are new Chinese-made split bamboo blanks at the auction.  

You could also drill out the ferrule and enlarge the hole to about 1/2 or 9/16 inch.  There is room in the oak foregrip and it would still be plenty strong enough.  With a 1/2 inch butt you could use a tubular fiberglass blank.  A 1950's tobacco rod blank would look good.  Another option would be a solid glass rod blank as some of them have 3/8 inch butts.  You could look for a 3/8ths male ferrule or just glue the blank in there.  They would be equally strong.

The reel seat and ferrule is nickel (German silver) plated brass.

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/montyB.jpg)

The thing that amazes me about your handle and mine is the mushroom butt cap.  They have to be vulcanized rubber but the mushroom butt caps from even twenty or thirty years later have all cracked and fallen off.

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/montyC.jpg)

-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Decker on October 22, 2018, 05:37:15 AM
Steve and Mike, thanks for the great info and insight.   I haven't had time to check, but the broken section theory sounds probable.  I wonder if it could be pulled out by screwing into what is left, and pulling it out.  Good to know that the handle is oak.  I'll keep an eye peeled for something to fit it.

Steve, I remember you remarking about the butt caps in other posts.  Now that I see one, I understand your interest.  Mine is in great shape.  Makes me wonder about the history of rubber.

    


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 22, 2018, 02:27:02 PM
Now I know its a spinner but she is clean!!! Arrived today




Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: grekim on October 22, 2018, 02:41:35 PM
EDW VOM HOFE & CO.  Assembled this is about 82".  My parents bought it along with a Mitchell 300 and a 402 at an estate sale at least 15 years ago.  Is this meant for fresh or saltwater?  What kind of reel and line would have been used?  Thanks.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: wfjord on October 22, 2018, 03:05:21 PM
Now I know its a spinner but she is clean!!! Arrived today


That's nice!  I like those green things.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on October 22, 2018, 03:08:38 PM
That EVH rod is pretty cool. 

I assume the rod was made for saltwater use.

I'm sure someone more knowledgable will chime in.

John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: grekim on October 22, 2018, 03:54:09 PM
Sorry....I meant to post my EVH reply to the Collectible Big Game Fishing Rod thread.  So feel free to move it there if more appropriate.  There are some similar looking rods here too so I got distracted.  Thanks :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 22, 2018, 04:00:56 PM

 Wow Chris, that's one highly sought after reel.....and the round knob makes it much more sought after. Another museum piece for your display !!

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on October 22, 2018, 04:33:40 PM
Very nice 706 ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on October 22, 2018, 11:37:19 PM
Nice reel Chris.  Nice rod grekim.

I love those rattan handles.  Reel seat is nickel alloy (German silver) plated brass.  Blank is split bamboo.  It definitely pre-dates the Mitchells.  But, EVH made split bamboo rods from 1880's to 1940's and it would take an expert to match up characteristics with examples of a known date.  The tip guide suggests turn of the century to 1930's to me.

The No.6 handle may indicate it is a 102 tarpon and tuna rod.  Look at Sid's catalog page here:
http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=21371 (http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=21371)

I'm a little hesitant to say tarpon/tuna rod because the reel seat does not look substantial enough in the photos.  Maybe it is heavier than I imagine.  Knowing the tip diameter and the type of guides would help too.  

Edward would not want you to use anything other than one of his fine conventional reels.  He was famous for his tarpon equipment.  If it is a tarpon/tuna type rod then perhaps his model 481 Pasque tarpon reel or something else about 4/0 to 6/0 size would be appropriate.  This could become expensive so don't get carried away  :)

This other thread has some info and more links that may be interesting:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14650.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14650.0)

-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 23, 2018, 01:50:21 AM
 Thanks guys!!
I had no idea that they were that rare


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: grekim on October 23, 2018, 02:28:19 AM
Nice reel Chris.  Nice rod grekim.

I love those rattan handles.  Reel seat is nickel alloy (German silver) plated brass.  Blank is split bamboo.  It definitely pre-dates the Mitchells.  But, EVH made split bamboo rods from 1880's to 1940's and it would take an expert to match up characteristics with examples of a known date.  The tip guide suggests turn of the century to 1930's to me.

The No.6 handle may indicate it is a 102 tarpon and tuna rod.  Look at Sid's catalog page here:
http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=21371 (http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=21371)

I'm a little hesitant to say tarpon/tuna rod because the reel seat does not look substantial enough in the photos.  Maybe it is heavier than I imagine.  Knowing the tip diameter and the type of guides would help too.  

Edward would not want you to use anything other than one of his fine conventional reels.  He was famous for his tarpon equipment.  If it is a tarpon/tuna type rod then perhaps his model 481 Pasque tarpon reel or something else about 4/0 to 6/0 size would be appropriate.  This could become expensive so don't get carried away  :)

This other thread has some info and more links that may be interesting:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14650.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14650.0)

-steve
 
Great info Steve!  Much appreciated.  The butt is 20".  Tip is 5/8" outer diam, 1/4" inner diam.  There are only two double guides.  One pair shown below.  I have to wonder if someone got to the sale before my parents and bought an EVH reel, knowing that it was worth far more than the rod or Mitchells. 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on October 23, 2018, 01:14:31 PM
Yeah, that's the dilemma.  The EVH rod belongs with an EVH reel.  But, EVH reels cost a mint.  Rods, not so much.  I assume you do not plan to fish with it and want a wall-hanger.  

An option would be to sell or the EVH rod.  You should get enough to buy a rod/reel combo wall hanger with similar aesthetic appeal but of a lesser brand.  As an ornament, an old Montague combo will look pretty much like an old EVH combo to the uneducated masses, but at a fraction of the cost.

-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: grekim on October 23, 2018, 02:58:44 PM
Yeah, that's the dilemma.  The EVH rod belongs with an EVH reel.  But, EVH reels cost a mint.  Rods, not so much.  I assume you do not plan to fish with it and want a wall-hanger.  

An option would be to sell or the EVH rod.  You should get enough to buy a rod/reel combo wall hanger with similar aesthetic appeal but of a lesser brand.  As an ornament, an old Montague combo will look pretty much like an old EVH combo to the uneducated masses, but at a fraction of the cost.

-steve

If I didn't think I would cause it harm, I would be curious to fish with it.  But, I am a shore bound fisherman, so a tuna rod is not a great match for me.  I will keep it, for sure, and thanks for the suggestion of the Montague.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 24, 2018, 03:01:05 PM
Getting this thread back on track. I got another of these today. It has some minor pitting on the spool. Other than that its pretty!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on October 24, 2018, 03:08:09 PM
You must have Penn tattoos on you somewhere !!  Lol !!   JT


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on October 24, 2018, 04:20:22 PM
That's a nice one,,,very clean  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on October 25, 2018, 08:20:20 AM
I really dig the black 114H...great buy Chris! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on October 25, 2018, 11:45:41 AM
Wow, super nice blackie!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 25, 2018, 12:01:43 PM
Thanks guys!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on October 25, 2018, 04:51:07 PM
That's a keeper black 114H for sure. Spotting them can be tough with lighting and photo taking but when you find the real deal it sure feels good.
Enjoy
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 25, 2018, 05:43:13 PM
 I agree with Dom. Most the time it'll be dark maroon when it looks black because of bad lighting in pics.

 Nice find Chris, and replacing the spool will be easy if you so desire

  Ted

  


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 26, 2018, 12:07:01 AM
Ted that brings me to a question. I have ordered new old stock spools before and what I received was not a good match. The spool finish was more textured. The originals are fairly smooth. I think what I ordered came in a white penn box.
Its hard to tell before buying. What color box should i look for in a replacement spool?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on October 26, 2018, 05:33:08 AM
I've seen older spools in green 2 piece boxes made of heavier material.            Rudy


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 26, 2018, 12:45:05 PM

 I'm sure someone on the forum will have your cortect spool. The early dark maroon reels had same smoother textured spool

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on October 27, 2018, 03:16:13 PM
Here’s a early 49 just arrived today


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on October 27, 2018, 09:01:00 PM
That's a clean "149" for sure.  If it was used it must've been freshwater.
Won't take much to clean that one up and shelf her.
Good find,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 27, 2018, 09:12:00 PM
That 149 looks kind of NOS... A real beauty.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on October 28, 2018, 04:18:15 AM
Gorgeous reel, Chris! These don't get lots of love from many, one day they will regret it. :)

Enjoy it!

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on October 28, 2018, 05:51:55 AM
That's a clean "149" for sure.  If it was used it must've been freshwater.
Won't take much to clean that one up and shelf her.
Good find,
Dom
x2,,,great find ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 28, 2018, 09:18:11 AM
Good looking reel.  That narrow series of reels do not get the attention they deserve.  I use a 49 for deep drops and love it.  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: alantani on October 28, 2018, 09:58:23 AM
so, where is ray (superhook) these days?  he hasn't logged in since summer.   :-\


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: alantani on October 28, 2018, 10:19:40 AM
crud.   hard to keep track of things sometimes.  john, thanks for the reminder......

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=26341.0


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on October 28, 2018, 05:07:43 PM
Ray is certainly missed.  I know I miss him chiming in on these threads.  He had so much valuable info that he could break down, dissect,  and simplify for we, amateur collectors.
Hope you're doing well, Mike.  Ray was quite a loss.
Warmest regards/ RIP Ray,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on October 28, 2018, 05:21:38 PM
Yes,

We learn much history from some of these fellows like Ray, Mike, Ted, Dom, and many others.

Feels sort of like a “Missing Man Formation” flyover without Ray.

We need to appreciate each other — while we can.

At some point, we will be the Missing Man.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on October 29, 2018, 02:48:22 AM
Hi All

I picked up this Penn 500SA reel yesterday here in South Africa.
Was hoping the experts here could assist with trying to fathom out the SA on the box label. Ted has already suggested that the SA sticker could be an early label for the 500A reel box before dropping the S once the printed box was ready.
Any info would be appreciated.
Maybe Mike can explain ..... I have included some 500A box pictures to compare.



Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on October 29, 2018, 03:10:01 AM
I'm not able to detect anything are of the ordinary with that reel, with the exception of the label.
I'm thinking A for Africa and SA for South Africa.

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 29, 2018, 09:58:06 AM
I'm not able to detect anything are of the ordinary with that reel, with the exception of the label.
I'm thinking A for Africa and SA for South Africa.

Sal

 Upon closer inspection..... I do see a difference in these 500A reels

 Take a good long look at the plastic spools on these reels. They do not have the normal huge oversize arbor. In fact the shape of these plastic spools are very similar in design to a newell jigmaster spool. This is completely different shape from the standard 500 plastic spool, with what appears to be a much smaller arbor and a radius transition to the flanges. Perhaps Alan can post shot of just the spool.

 Maybe I'm way off base, and possibly just my OCD working overtime  ;) ;)

 Either way, thanks for posting these very cool reels and boxes....amazing !!

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on October 29, 2018, 12:00:08 PM
Ted here are some pictures of the spool as requested.

Regards
AC49



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 29, 2018, 12:39:41 PM

 Thanks Alan, right away I notice several differences between the 500A spool and the standard plastic 500 spool.

 ....just like the 49A....the spool is the difference

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on October 29, 2018, 12:59:11 PM

 Thanks Alan, right away I notice several differences between the 500A spool and the standard plastic 500 spool.

 ....just like the 49A....the spool is the difference

  Ted

Ted, you mind sharing what it is you see different?


Alan, thanks for posting these, the box alone is a treasure to have.

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on October 29, 2018, 01:34:00 PM
I just donated a non-A (not SA either) jiggy with a plastic spool so I can't reference it directly, but the arbor does look smaller in diameter on the SA version. And that's the first plastic spool I've seen where the line hole wasn't broken out a bit.

Alright DC. You can't beat $5 for old Penn!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 29, 2018, 01:44:49 PM

 Thanks Alan, right away I notice several differences between the 500A spool and the standard plastic 500 spool.

 ....just like the 49A....the spool is the difference

  Ted

Ted, you mind sharing what it is you see different?


Alan, thanks for posting these, the box alone is a treasure to have.

Sal

 Different design flanges, smaller diameter arbour....even the ribbing under the flange is completely different than a stock plastic 500 spool

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on October 29, 2018, 01:55:37 PM

 Thanks Alan, right away I notice several differences between the 500A spool and the standard plastic 500 spool.

 ....just like the 49A....the spool is the difference

  Ted

Ted, you mind sharing what it is you see different?


Alan, thanks for posting these, the box alone is a treasure to have.

Sal

 Different design flanges, smaller diameter arbour....even the ribbing under the flange is completely different than a stock plastic 500 spool

 Ted

Maybe I don't see things as I used to...very much possible, but I've seen that type spool before. I actually still have a few in black and i know I have one exactly the same as theone we're talking about somewhere in one of these drawers.
(https://i.imgur.com/SO36Rj6.jpg)

Sal
Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 29, 2018, 02:13:16 PM
 
 You are right Sal, it's just my imagination gone wild

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 29, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
I kind of think we are reading too much into this. I feel the "500SA" label box is meant for a Penn 500S Jigmaster. The "A" simply means Africa like it does on all the other Africa Export reels. I believe the wrong reel is in the box.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on October 30, 2018, 01:54:50 AM

 You are right Sal, it's just my imagination gone wild

 Ted
Ted, when I came home from work yesterday, after reading your message I went straight for that drawer.
No one that I know of pay close attention to details on these reels as you do😉.

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on October 30, 2018, 09:03:51 AM
Thanks Mike my thoughts exactly but always good to hear from you. I bought the only 3 reels he ever owned so maybe the reel boxes somehow got swapped in the tackle shop .  ::)

Many thanks
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on October 30, 2018, 02:02:23 PM
 A few tidbits I would like to point out....

 JMHO  The earliest box (500SA) only lists capacity of Dacron, which tells me it is the earliest 500A box. If it was a later 500s box it would have nylon or mono capacity on the label also

 Just observations: The blue/white 500A box claims the spools are specially made for monofilament, yet the line capacity on the box is for Nylon and Dacron. Early USA blue/white box is same and doesn't list mono capacity

 ...and I guess they have different monofilament in South Africa  :D :D , because the same exact dark blue box and gold box here in the U.S. lists mono capacity at 275yds of 30# mono.....but the 500A Blue box lists capacity at 400yds of 30# mono. The 500A gold box 400yds also. Go figure !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on October 31, 2018, 11:11:14 AM
Ted I can remember Mr Cacioppo mentioning that Penn started referring to Dacron on their reel boxes in about 1969 to conform with IGFA line class requirements to claim a Record Catch. Before that time it was Monofiliamt and Nylon.

I'm still confused how we in South Africa score the extra 125 yds on the same spool then ??? ???
No wonder we burst so many Jigmaster spools  ;) ;)

Cheers
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 01, 2018, 09:16:48 AM

 You're right Alan, the yardage capacity seems odd.....we will figure this out one way or another.

 Thanks again for posting and hope you're enjoying summer south of the equator !!

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on November 01, 2018, 09:48:37 AM
400yds 30lb mono is more than fits on 112 chrome spool, and 50yds less than a 113H...no way that all gets on a jiggy, even on a small arbor SS spool. UNLESS its an VOT Super Jiggy from Randy. then maybe.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 01, 2018, 10:12:00 AM
 You're right on John

 The 112 is also larger diameter spool than the jigmaster and the 112 metal spool will obviously have more capacity than a jigmaster spool

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 02, 2018, 07:44:09 AM
Im going out on a limb and assuming this was a good deal at $30 shipped?


Two of these in two weeks aint bad. This one is not at clean as the other but it was $29 shipped LOL




Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on November 02, 2018, 08:13:45 AM
that one is on my hit list, they're puuurty, great find!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: bhale1 on November 02, 2018, 08:48:40 AM
Love the color combo, those "carrot" handle knobs are cool ;D
Brett


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 02, 2018, 01:26:42 PM
 Killer deal Chris

 These are the reels you show to your wife to remind her that collecting old Penns isn't a waste of money. Make sure to let her know that you could triple your money in a heartbeat if you decided to sell it


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 02, 2018, 01:37:46 PM
Thanks guys!
This early 6/0 just got off the mail truck. Im not sure what year, pre-war I think, but I love the handle.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 02, 2018, 01:40:25 PM

 Others may not agree, but I'd say pre war....coin edge cb, drilled arbor are both from that era and 6/0 ain't an easy find as far as pre war Penns go....nice one Chris


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on November 02, 2018, 07:53:45 PM
I just made up my mind to go buy all the NIB Penn V's I can get and sit on them til I retire. Chris, John, Mike, and Deepfins have cornered the "interesting to Thorhammer to own old stuff" market.


PS I got that same green 109 on a rod for $20 at a flea mkt-HA!


Gents, in all seriousness, please keep the pics rolling-it's pretty attainable if one is willing to spend some cash and learn to build a hot rod- but this stuff you folks are doing here lately what with historical provenance is awesome... you have to be positioned to be in the way of it, with a healthy dose of luck...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on November 02, 2018, 08:05:34 PM
I just made up my mind to go buy all the NIB Penn V's I can get and sit on them til I retire. Chris, John, Mike, and Deepfins have cornered the "interesting to Thorhammer to own old stuff" market.


PS I got that same green 109 on a rod for $20 at a flea mkt-HA!


Gents, in all seriousness, please keep the pics rolling-it's pretty attainable if one is willing to spend some cash and learn to build a hot rod- but this stuff you folks are doing here lately what with historical provenance is awesome... you have to be positioned to be in the way of it, with a healthy dose of luck...
The knowledge here is amazing, I'm learning great stuff here everyday!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tightlines666 on November 02, 2018, 08:57:19 PM
Thanks guys!
This early 6/0 just got off the mail truck. Im not sure what year, pre-war I think, but I love the handle.

That handle is awesome!

 :o :o :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Fishy247 on November 03, 2018, 02:28:50 PM
I just saw a couple of those green Penn 109's on the auction site listing for $150....not in nearly as good of shape as these!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 05, 2018, 04:59:06 PM
My dad got this for me at a yard sale $5 with cat fish rod :D just like to know about what year ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 05, 2018, 05:00:29 PM
Heck of a deal! Great score!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on November 06, 2018, 01:04:09 AM
It's rare Benny, but perhaps more because of the red plates than the age.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 06, 2018, 06:00:40 PM
It's rare Benny, but perhaps more because of the red plates than the age.
-steve
thanks steve,,, and it does have a little black marble to it?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 07, 2018, 05:46:03 PM
This came in today,,,not in good shape,,,but the sideplates are ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on November 08, 2018, 01:48:41 PM
Cool! Been thinkin bout a 209 or 309 for my " line management challenged" son. I don't like to mess with his fun when he's crankin up 75yds, of line with 1-2 fish on--"pay attention to the line lay on your spool!" I sent him a Penn 350 but it still needs a little persuasion to stay good n' even. To date, he's been usin a L.B. 60.

Benni, you probably goda good size collection by now. Are you thinkin a postin it at some point in time, in the "Show Your Collection" thread? Or maybe here?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 08, 2018, 02:32:56 PM
Benni!!!! I’m glad you got that! I bid early and forgot to got back at the end. LOL


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 08, 2018, 07:48:44 PM
 you guys are scoring some nice green Penns lately....I am huge fan of them also, and never get tired of gazing at them

  How can a person not love the smallest Penn senator?? Its reminds me of a shrunk down 16/0 ;)

 This one was about same price as a well used 113H. I was shopping for a donor 113H but my computer froze as I scrolled across this 1/0.   ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on November 08, 2018, 08:23:08 PM
Awesome, she's puurrrty!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on November 09, 2018, 11:22:00 AM
Beautiful reel....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on November 09, 2018, 03:03:12 PM
Great find Ted, was it like that, or have you polished it, since you received it, mint ay, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 09, 2018, 04:14:27 PM
Great find Ted, was it like that, or have you polished it, since you received it, mint ay, cheers Don.

 Hi Don, it was just a little dusty and shelf grime. Very simple cleaning is all it took. I don't per say "polish" any reel parts, unless you consider my fingertips and nevr-dull  cotton wadding "polishing". The shine you see is 100℅ factory finish. The trick is the last wipedown must be clean grease free towel to get the best possible shine.

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on November 10, 2018, 07:48:22 AM
Nice score Ted! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on November 10, 2018, 03:04:03 PM
BNIB 85L Seaboy $20 delivered to my door. I bought it for the spool, but might shelf it since it's so shiny. I know I need to dust it off  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 10, 2018, 03:49:39 PM

 Nice score Darin !!

 That little reel is very capable and overlooked by most that don't know what they're missing.

 Ted

 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on November 10, 2018, 04:20:15 PM
Good find Darin, thanks for showing, & Ted, thanks for the feed back, good tips, you both keep well, & leave some fish in the ocean for me, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on November 10, 2018, 04:24:08 PM

 Nice score Darin !!

 That little reel is very capable and overlooked by most that don't know what they're missing.

 Ted

 
Good find Darin, thanks for showing, & Ted, thanks for the feed back, good tips, you both keep well, & leave some fish in the ocean for me, cheers Don.
Thanks guys, it's pretty cool to handle an older reel that's brand new, I always imagine what one would try to catch with it back in the day...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 14, 2018, 11:15:16 AM
Picked up this 150yd Newport last week. It arrived today.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 14, 2018, 11:17:21 AM
Has the drive side bearing kinda molded in



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 14, 2018, 12:18:33 PM
 Great find in any condition. That one is fantastic condition.

 No set screw hole for scalloped nut, built in bushing and what hex shape am I seeing under the blade ??  Some kind of thick washer under the blade also ??

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 14, 2018, 12:33:22 PM
I know Ted crazy! 1938 is the only year it was pictured with a scalloped nut. No set screw in the pic. That hex shape under the blade is threaded into the sideplate. The main gear shaft passes thru it.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on November 14, 2018, 12:35:25 PM
That's a great find, I don't know much about old Penns, but am fascinated by them.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 14, 2018, 05:03:17 PM
That is a great find,,,the newport's don't go on ebay that much anymore and that one is in great shape  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on November 14, 2018, 05:33:48 PM
Chris that reel isn't worthy of your collection.....just send it to me and I will dispose of it......in my cabinet  ;D. Beautiful reel brother.   Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on November 14, 2018, 07:03:27 PM
Monster score! Well done, Chris!
Rare find indeed and in that condition?! :o
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on November 15, 2018, 12:16:40 AM
Beautiful reel Chris.  The wear on the knob belies the overall condition.  Wonder if someone enthusiast did a restoration job on it or if the owner just took good care of his stuff.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 15, 2018, 04:02:29 AM
Thanks guys!
Steve I would hope that a reel enthusiast would have known better than to stick it on eBay with a $32 price tag.  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on November 15, 2018, 04:11:30 AM
The condition of that oldy is fantastic - great score brother :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on November 15, 2018, 05:01:53 AM
Great find !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on November 15, 2018, 05:16:46 AM
I don’t believe this reel was restored but if it was he did a heck of a good job.   More likely, used very little, display/sample reel possible, if used most likely freshwater, and by the tail plate bushing I would say it was rubbing on something or was used off another reel. The shine in the plates (though we can shine them up) looks to be original also. The black paint on the handles wore very easily so I would say, freshwater, used very little, not let to sit with line on it, and the owner took care of his things.
I still say CHA-Ching!
Best
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on November 15, 2018, 08:36:25 AM
Great find Chris, could`nt happen to a nicer bloke, your always so helpful on this forum, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 15, 2018, 07:56:01 PM
Quote
Picked up this 150yd Newport last week. It arrived today.

In my opinion you have quite a rare reel there. I would say it is a 1940 Newport. In 1940, the Newport was only made in the 150 yard version and it shared page space with the Penn 14. I suspect your Newport is built off a Penn 14 side plate style, of course in a slightly smaller diameter. In 1941 the Newport was gone, basically replaced by the Model 14 that it shared a page with in 1940. I attached the Newport / Penn 14 on page 16 of the Penn 1940 catalog.

This 1940 Newport is a very special reel, in my opinion.

Another quirky things about the handle nut in the catalog renditions is that the scalloped nut is shown in the 1938 catalog but goes back to the old style hex nut in the 1939 & 40 catalog. That was done in the catalog drawing but in reality, Penn probably continued putting the scalloped nut on the Newport or maybe even some Newports left the factory with the straight slotted screw used on the Penn 14.

The only Penn Rule is, ""There are no rules"".............<:O)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 15, 2018, 08:37:31 PM
 Hi Mike, thanks for the great info.

.....just an observation.....the illustration shows a screw in spool shaft bushing, but Chris's reel has built in bushing.

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 15, 2018, 10:20:17 PM
Quote
Hi Mike, thanks for the great info.

.....just an observation.....the illustration shows a screw in spool shaft bushing, but Chris's reel has built in bushing.

 Ted

Hello Ted,

Yes, that is why I feel the reel is special. It is a small size 150 yard side plate with the Penn 14 spool bushing. I cannot explain why it is that way, but, it is. I have seen other small Newport models and they do not have the integral molded in Penn 14 bushing.  It probably did not sell to well being the Model 14 was cheaper, had a larger line capacity and basically was the same reel. The Model 14 has three pillars while the smaller Newport reel had four pillars. Offering both reels did not make sense in my opinion.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 16, 2018, 09:01:45 PM

 Any pre war small yardage (less than 250yds) Penn is a great find. They always seem to elude me, but I keep looking !!

   Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 17, 2018, 08:06:37 AM
209 came in the mail today :D the spool looks different,,,,but I think the green one will clean up ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 17, 2018, 10:22:30 AM
Nice Benni! The cool thing is you could almost mint it out with new parts and still be correct.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 17, 2018, 05:40:26 PM
Nice Benni! The cool thing is you could almost mint it out with new parts and still be correct.
yes sir,,,,,,and this 209 looks freshwater or lightly used,,,,but I might get a aluminum frame and spool "green" ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 17, 2018, 11:25:04 PM
Quote
Any pre war small yardage (less than 250yds) Penn is a great find. They always seem to elude me, but I keep looking !!

   Ted

Many sellers do not realize their smaller than the average Penn reel is a small reel. They are not aware of the size difference and how it affects the rarity of the reel.

There is a visual trick that might help you spot one. When the free spool lever on a small side plate Penn reel is pulled to the rear of the reel it completely covers the side plate screw. That does not happen on a 250 or 300 yard reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on November 21, 2018, 09:13:39 AM
 ... 49 X 5  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 21, 2018, 09:30:40 AM
Quote
49 X 5  Grin Grin

Looks like math............ 49 X 5 = 245................ Have a great Thanksgiving...........<:O)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on November 21, 2018, 02:11:48 PM
How about this one for a small Penn?  ;D  A nice flea-find.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 21, 2018, 02:15:30 PM
That sure is a nice one nelz!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on November 21, 2018, 02:25:32 PM
Nelz, that looks like it was lined and put on a shelf and never used. Good find!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on November 21, 2018, 02:45:32 PM
Nelz, that looks like it was lined and put on a shelf and never used. Good find!

Thanks guys. Actually, I put the line on myself. Took it on a little trip to Alabama and caught the cat you see in my avatar.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 21, 2018, 04:45:47 PM
This came in today,,,bridge city 300yd $34 ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 22, 2018, 05:33:53 AM
Nice one Benni!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 23, 2018, 03:19:00 PM
Nice one Benni!
thank you my friend,,,,,and happy hunting,,,hope you get the big one ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 23, 2018, 05:02:49 PM
Today I got this matched set of Surfmaster 201 reels on Montague bamboo rods.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Reel 224 on November 23, 2018, 06:57:28 PM
Very nice combo!    Joe


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on November 24, 2018, 12:18:59 AM
Nice Chris.  I know what the title of the thread is, but can you give us a peak at the rods too.

-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 24, 2018, 02:33:34 AM
The rods are junk. My main focus was the reel model number 201


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on November 24, 2018, 04:35:10 AM
Nice Chris...what's your secret?
Is this your full time job hunting treasures? ;D
Thank you for sharing these amazing finds with us.
Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on November 24, 2018, 04:41:03 AM
Good score !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on November 24, 2018, 05:46:54 AM
Great Chris, good find, you deserve it, your always trying to help us all on this forum, what goes around comes around, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on November 24, 2018, 05:49:43 AM
Very nice, a 201 is a tough find but 2? Wow,condition looks nice too. Thanks for posting


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 24, 2018, 06:16:04 AM
Great Chris, good find, you deserve it, your always trying to help us all on this forum, what goes around comes around, cheers Don.
Thanks Donnie!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on November 24, 2018, 09:34:10 AM
Nice, I like the handles.

Nice Chris...what's your secret?  Is this your full time job hunting treasures?

That's what I'd like to know too!  So what's the deal Chris, you gonna share? What kind of places do you get so many nice reels?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 24, 2018, 02:03:52 PM
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Today I got this matched set of Surfmaster 201 reels on Montague bamboo rods.

I had to read that twice. Two 201's!!  ??? At the same time!! That is an amazing find. Not just a good find, it is an amazing find!!



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 24, 2018, 04:13:26 PM
He got two big bucks :D fabulous hunting  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on November 25, 2018, 01:27:10 PM
Joining the Mag Power Club, upgrades coming soon . . .


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 25, 2018, 01:43:37 PM
Wow Darin, she already looks pretty modified!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on November 25, 2018, 01:56:47 PM
Wow Darin, she already looks pretty modified!
true, but I def want to add a ss sleeve, double dogs and an insert drag kit, maybe a different arm/knob down the road, will fish with it first and see how it goes...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Rivverrat on November 25, 2018, 03:36:27 PM
The rods are junk. My main focus was the reel model number 201

 They may not be junk to Steve. His eye has reveled many things here... Jeff


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on November 25, 2018, 04:04:52 PM
Nice Darin, thanks for showing us, really will be great when you finnish the updates, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on November 25, 2018, 04:47:23 PM
The rods are junk. My main focus was the reel model number 201

 They may not be junk to Steve. His eye has reveled many things here... Jeff
yes,,,,,I do like old tomato posts sometimes,,,,,,there fun ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on November 25, 2018, 04:48:37 PM
Nice Darin, thanks for showing us, really will be great when you finnish the updates, cheers Don.
Thank you, Don!!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 26, 2018, 04:29:56 PM
This one arrived today. Don’t know much about the black 710s but this little bit of research i did suggested I buy it in this condition


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 28, 2018, 12:50:15 AM
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Don’t know much about the black 710s but this little bit of research i did suggested I buy it in this condition

Great collectible! Their production is very limited. These reels were painted by hand, they were not painted with the Penn production spray equipment. Because of that, there are variations in the paint finishes, some are flat satin finishes like yours and others are wrinkled finishes. Either is good to have. Now that you have got the 710 in black, you next acquisition must be the 711 in black......<:O)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on November 28, 2018, 02:43:26 AM
Wow Mike thank you for that info I did not know they were hand painted, I always figured they were powder coated.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 28, 2018, 11:55:57 PM
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Wow Mike thank you for that info I did not know they were hand painted, I always figured they were powder coated.

They were spray painted with enamel; but, not with the production spray equipment. According to Mr. Herbert Henze, changing the color on the factory spray equipment meant a lot of work, so these black 710's were done separately from the production line, probably with a small spray gun that could be easily cleaned.

As for Powder Coating, the Model 710 was introduced in 1964, I believe the black versions were very early release reels. Powder Coating had not been invented yet. 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 21, 2018, 04:52:55 PM
This one arrived today. I actually thought I would never find one.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on December 21, 2018, 04:59:10 PM
Sweet !!!! Your gonna have to write another book on Penn !!!!    John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: JoseCuervo on December 21, 2018, 06:17:26 PM
What are the main differences within the Mariner series? I have a 49 and a 149. I know the drags aren't the same  ::) and the 49 has a reverse lever (might not be the right term), and the A is that African one I think. What is the story on the 349? Are they all red? Maybe it is a wide reel?

Sorry for the newbie questions. This week I am neck deep in Long Beach's, I blame you guys for my Penndemic fever.

Thanks

Rob


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on December 21, 2018, 07:10:40 PM
What are the main differences within the Mariner series? I have a 49 and a 149. I know the drags aren't the same  ::) and the 49 has a reverse lever (might not be the right term), and the A is that African one I think. What is the story on the 349? Are they all red? Maybe it is a wide reel?

Sorry for the newbie questions. This week I am neck deep in Long Beach's, I blame you guys for my Penndemic fever.

Thanks

Rob
you can't blame anybody,,,, :D I started before I was a member here,,,, ;) just keep going down the rabbit hole,,,you be just fine ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on December 21, 2018, 07:58:59 PM
The size is the same for 49,149,249,349,the difference is internally. The 349 is a more powerful reel. There's a bunch of threads on here about them,makes for some good reading when you have some time. Apologies if this gets you farther down the rabbit hole,I'm betting you'll want one.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: alantani on December 21, 2018, 08:15:48 PM
just keep going down the rabbit hole,,,you be just fine ;D

well, it's ok to step back once in a while.....   ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 22, 2018, 11:54:18 PM
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This one arrived today. I actually thought I would never find one.

It is not that they are hard to find, you are simply shopping on the wrong continent. To find a 49A you should be shopping in Africa.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 23, 2018, 12:09:58 AM
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What are the main differences within the Mariner series? I have a 49 and a 149. I know the drags aren't the same  Roll Eyes and the 49 has a reverse lever (might not be the right term), and the A is that African one I think. What is the story on the 349? Are they all red? Maybe it is a wide reel?

Many questions in a few sentences. The tall series always confuses people in the beginning. The first ones were the 49, 149 and 249. They were introduced before WW II. The 349 was much more refined and much closer to a Big Game than the other three. The 349 was made in Red, maroon and black. You are correct about the 49 "A" being an export model headed for Africa, they were never marketed in the USA, so they are kind of hard to find in the United States. Here is a page form the 1978 catalog.

The 249 was a Bakelite winch aka Knuckle Buster. It was discontinued a long time ago.

The Second lever on the head plate is known as a Convertible Drag. Basically, when yo use that lever you can control the reel by back reeling. It can also be used for letting out line when trolling, instead of releasing the free spool lever. Not everyone likes that option, so Penn offered the 349 model with or without it.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: JoseCuervo on December 23, 2018, 12:23:03 AM
Thanks! That catalog info is great and explains things well.  8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 23, 2018, 02:25:05 AM
Quote
This one arrived today. I actually thought I would never find one.

It is not that they are hard to find, you are simply shopping on the wrong continent. To find a 49A you should be shopping in Africa.

I read somewhere that the A marked headplate was pretty hard to find even in Africa. This reel also has a mix of parts with and without part numbers so I suspect its an early one like yours Mike.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on December 23, 2018, 11:19:51 AM
Hi Chris the Penn 49A you have is around 65 years old based on the mix of parts with and without numbers. Finding them is not that easy here in South Africa but one in that condition is pretty special.
Most of the Penn 49"A" reels I have found were well used for the purpose they were intended, but every now and again you find a reel like yours that will have a story of its own .... maybe you could share what you know about that treasure ? ;)

Nice find Chris and thanks for sharing !!

Regards
AC49
Cape Town
South Africa


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 23, 2018, 12:24:14 PM
AC49,
The only thing I can really tell you about this real is that it came out of an estate sale in a town near Washington DC the area where I live. I was not present at the estate sale where it was bought. I got it from the people who were there.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on December 23, 2018, 12:35:45 PM
Thanks Chris was there a reel box or catalog to help to possibly identify the year it was made ?
Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 23, 2018, 12:52:35 PM
Nothing but the reel


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 23, 2018, 10:57:20 PM
I do not exactly how old my 49A actually is; but, it is the oldest one I have seen. I am saying that based on the handle on the reel. There are no parts numbers on any part of the reel and the counter weight on the handle has the cross bars. It is not a laminated counter weight. That would be very early 1950's or even earlier. Of course it could be an old handle that Penn simply put on the reel because it was in the parts bin. Still I have seen none earlier. I have seen 49A reels I very early 1950 two piece boxes. The reels marked with the "A" on the logo did not have markings on the box label.
             The South Africa owner of the reel had made a trip to Alaska and had a problem with the reel in Alaska. He brought the reel to a shop in Alaska to be repaired and never returned for the reel. I got the reel from the Tackle Shop owner in Alaska. I believe the reel to be all original parts.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on December 24, 2018, 11:38:31 AM
Hi Mike have you checked the bracing or no bracing of the spool. These are 2 old Penn 49A configurations that I have come across and believe the 4 brace spool type on the right seems to be common to the original 49A reels that I have found.

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 24, 2018, 11:45:11 AM
Mine has the 4 brace


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on December 24, 2018, 12:34:50 PM
Thanks Chris another piece of the puzzle nearly confirmed. Have you managed to check if both the sideplates have that hologram effect called "jeweling" ?

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 24, 2018, 05:24:04 PM
A little newer but a hard find



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on December 24, 2018, 05:45:13 PM
Nice, Pum, the wheel knob and sooo clean. Looks new?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on December 24, 2018, 07:40:45 PM
Ya that's cool,,,,great fine man ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 24, 2018, 07:52:45 PM
It is basically new. Sat in a guys attic forever in the box, or so I am told.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on December 24, 2018, 11:30:48 PM
That's a great find Chris,
 Your on a roll lately, well done

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on December 25, 2018, 02:44:10 PM
For my Christmas present the boss said I could buy a reel, thinking for a minute Randy Pauly came to mind, initially looking for a 1/0 or 3/0, Randy sold me on a non-numbered 10/0. Gotta say he is one heck of a salesman  ;). I can't say enough good things about him, class act all the way.  Shipping was faster than ever, especially considering the holiday season.  The reel was all he promised, not looking for a mint condition reel, but something that will fit in with my other non-numbered Senators.  This is a second generation, coin edged counter balanced handle with a three piece spool.  And this didn't have one of those darn rockcod handles  ;D. Thank you Randy!  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on December 25, 2018, 03:16:43 PM
Bill thats very nice !! 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 26, 2018, 06:59:05 AM
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It is basically new. Sat in a guys attic forever in the box, or so I am told.

That is a fantastic find. The 707 is a tough find in any condition! It was made from 1975 to 1977 and sold in limited numbers in those few years. Beautiful reel!

Quote
For my Christmas present the boss said I could buy a reel, thinking for a minute Randy Pauly came to mind, initially looking for a 1/0 or 3/0, Randy sold me on a non-numbered 10/0. Gotta say he is one heck of a salesman  Wink. I can't say enough good things about him, class act all the way.  Shipping was faster than ever, especially considering the holiday season.  The reel was all he promised, not looking for a mint condition reel, but something that will fit in with my other non-numbered Senators.  This is a second generation, coin edged counter balanced handle with a three piece spool.  And this didn't have one of those darn rockcod handles  Grin. Thank you Randy!  Bill

Randy Pauly is kind of amazing. Where else are you going to go on the planet and ask for a 1940's / 1950's Penn Senator 116A---10/0 with original parts and a certain patina. Only one guy can satisfy those wants at a moments notice and get it shipped out to you in time for a holiday. Great reel!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: CooldadE on December 31, 2018, 04:12:22 PM
http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1816_31_12_18_4_56_08.jpeg
I found these on local craigslist. A Jigmaster and a 149 . Both reels for $15...
The Jigmaster looks very sad on the exterior but when cracked open it was pristine inside.
The 149 was much better on the exterior, haven’t looked in side yet...

Cool


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 01, 2019, 01:20:24 AM
Happy 2019 to all !!
This just in from an epic road trip but very happy with the finds.
Here are just some .... all from 1 owner so I presume all original and correct but stranger things have happened ....

*Penn 49A
Deep Sea reel - Very good condition
Green 2 piece box – I have been told from about 1953 – 1959 ??
49A Super Mariner $22 (I cannot find a 49A USD$ price reference)
Boxed spare spool


**Penn 140 Squidder
Red sideplates
Green 2 piece box $25 - $25 price from 1950-61  (2 piece boxes from 1953 – 1959 ??)
Boxed spare spool


***Penn 500 Jigmaster
Green swirl handle
Boxed (not 500A)
Boxed spare spool

Regards AC49



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 01, 2019, 05:10:04 AM
Oh man that 1957-59 49A box has me at a loss for words!  :o :o :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 01, 2019, 08:13:44 AM
Oh man that 1957-59 49A box has me at a loss for words!  :o :o :o

Thanks Chris haven't ever seen one of them and in such good condition.
Please share how you managed to age the box to 1957-59.

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 01, 2019, 08:15:49 AM
According to Mike’s book thats when the boat fishing scene existed on the label.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 01, 2019, 08:26:48 AM
According to Mike’s book thats when the boat fishing scene existed on the label.

Thanks for info Chris. That makes sense then as the reel contains numbered parts.

Regards
AC49



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: CooldadE on January 01, 2019, 09:17:43 AM
  http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1816_31_12_18_9_58_08.jpeg
I keep an eye out on local Craigslist and OfferUp sites. If your diligent some great deals can be had. I just picked up this 14/0 reel this morning. I don’t know that it will ever see water in my hands but I had to have it... and the price was right . On a side note, I can’t figure out how to post pics from the gallery and have them show up as a pic and not a link... can y’all help a brutha out ?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on January 01, 2019, 09:57:23 AM
Hey CooldadE , just put the link inside the html code like this:



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Rivverrat on January 01, 2019, 10:15:43 AM
Or.....Go to reply page & click   "Additional Options"  Click on my pics then click on the pic again if you need to make them bigger for easier reading... Jeff


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Rivverrat on January 01, 2019, 10:20:16 AM
Then click  "Choose File" then click on the picture file that contains your pic or picture itself if in the file if its on your phone or computer.... Jeff


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: CooldadE on January 01, 2019, 10:40:40 AM
(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1816_31_12_18_9_58_08.jpeg)
Testing...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Rivverrat on January 01, 2019, 10:57:31 AM
You Go It !    That's a fine reel to get at a good price... Jeff


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: CooldadE on January 01, 2019, 12:59:02 PM
(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1816_01_01_19_1_33_19.jpeg)
I got lucky with this one. A Washington Craigslist find. A New with a sad box black plate single lever 349H. The reel was 2 blocks away from a longtime friend in Bremerton. Arangments were made and a week later it was on my doorstep.

Cool


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Rivverrat on January 01, 2019, 01:22:06 PM
the 349H is an unusually unique reel. Friend here gifted me one I'm looking foreword to using it on the beach in Texas... Jeff


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 01, 2019, 04:51:29 PM
Happy 2019 to all !!
This just in from an epic road trip but very happy with the finds.
Here are just some .... all from 1 owner so I presume all original and correct but stranger things have happened ....

*Penn 49A
Deep Sea reel - Very good condition
Green 2 piece box – I have been told from about 1953 – 1959 ??
49A Super Mariner $22 (I cannot find a 49A USD$ price reference)
Boxed spare spool


**Penn 140 Squidder
Red sideplates
Green 2 piece box $25 - $25 price from 1950-61  (2 piece boxes from 1953 – 1959 ??)
Boxed spare spool


***Penn 500 Jigmaster
Green swirl handle
Boxed (not 500A)
Boxed spare spool

Regards AC49



 Great finds and what's with those blue and white labels on a 1950's box ?? Must be specific to South Africa ¿?¿?

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 01, 2019, 11:59:12 PM


[/quote]

 Great finds and what's with those blue and white labels on a 1950's box ?? Must be specific to South Africa ¿?¿?

 Ted
[/quote]

Hi Ted I believe the label color has simply faded over the years. Here is the 49A spare spool box from same find. Once the label was carefully removed you can see that "blueish" color at the bottom. Strange that somewhere in South Africa they used a Penn Delmar 285M box from the 50's but the 49A spare spool fits snug.

Regards
AC49



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 02, 2019, 12:22:45 AM
That is some awesome finds there AC49,
  Well done !

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 04, 2019, 10:22:10 AM
Thanks Col

The only boxed 49A with A on sideplate I have found was in the black box on the left. Mike C suggested that maybe that was the only box at the time that was available for the SA market. I have managed to find all in the pictures but obviously the 49A box with the 49A reel with A on the sideplate continues to elude me but I’m not giving up yet !!!

Regards
AC49



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 04, 2019, 11:14:50 AM
 Sweet lineup of 49a boxes.....and thanks for sharing

 

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 11, 2019, 02:03:01 PM
 1940's all original non numbered 16/0. Just a quick wipedown and ready for display.....a tough find in any condition, but this one has me pinching myself to make sure it isn't just a dream.  ;)

 I am tapped out from Christmas, just like a lot of others.....so I used a technique I learned from watching Popeye as a kid..... I will gladly pay tomorrow for a reel today  ;D ;D

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: CooldadE on January 11, 2019, 02:15:02 PM
Wow! That is one clean 16/0... I trying to figure out how to display my recently acquired 14/0. I’ve seen some C shaped clear acrylic Plinths that look good. I might have to go to Tap Plastics and see what they would charge to make them...

Cool


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on January 11, 2019, 02:19:33 PM
Early bird gets the worm !!!  Nice reel Ted !    John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on January 11, 2019, 02:28:20 PM
Wow! That is one clean 16/0... I trying to figure out how to display my recently acquired 14/0. I’ve seen some C shaped clear acrylic Plinths that look good. I might have to go to Tap Plastics and see what they would charge to make them...

Cool


You can cut Lexan with a jigsaw on slow and bend as you wish with heat gun. I replace my own boat windshields to height i like as such.

Daron here is the  acrylic plinth master as well as the big gun builder.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 11, 2019, 03:08:30 PM
Gorgeous reel Ted!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 11, 2019, 03:35:56 PM
Super cool, Ted, congrats on a great score!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on January 11, 2019, 03:53:41 PM
   That 16/0 is beautiful Ted...great score! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on January 11, 2019, 05:23:32 PM
Wow Ted, where did you find that beauty?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 11, 2019, 11:58:16 PM
Amazing find Ted  :o
The reel is over 70 years old and still looks unfished .... maybe the Penn collection group started earlier than we think  ;)
Thanks for sharing !!

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 12, 2019, 12:30:02 AM
That is an amazing 16/0. The only weird thing is that spool spindle pin. Very A B Normal.............


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 12, 2019, 02:32:49 AM
That is an absolute beauty Ted, Wow.

I've mainly been concentrating on Pre war Penn reels since I got serious a couple of months ago,
But Since my boat has been in rebuild mode, I haven't been fishing much in the last two years.
Your beautiful 16/0 prompted me to dig out all my Senators today which I've had for over 25 years,  A quick stock take showed I had
6-7 senators, nothing really old,  3-4 4/0's a couple tricked, one being a LH model and  2-3 red and black 6/0's, I love those reels.
Even embarrasingly, I found a half finished 4/0 wide, still in strip down mode !!!!
These photo's of simply beautiful old Senators has sure sparked my interest, thanks for sharing.

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on January 12, 2019, 06:42:19 AM
Hi Ted, that 16/0 is the best yet, good find, last week for the first time I have ever seen a 16/0 advertized for sale in Australia, it looks to be 7.5 to 8 out of ten, will try to send photos when it arrives, it cost me AU $595.00 including postage, that is about US dollars 420.00 cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 12, 2019, 07:38:50 AM
Clearly not close to the same league as Teds reel. This is a el cheapo flea market buy this morning. Is that the correct handle?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on January 12, 2019, 08:03:58 AM
   Chris...that may not be a mint 16/0...but it's a dandy find too!! Sailfishers that clean are very hard to find. That handle can certainly be considered correct, because it's a Penn accessory offered at that time. If you wanted the handle that came stock, you'll need a #24-49.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 12, 2019, 08:51:15 AM
Thanks Mo!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 12, 2019, 09:40:04 AM
 Chris, is your sailfisher sporting a 3 piece chrome spool ??

 The reason I ask is the sailfisher only had 3 piece spool in introductory year of 1953...... After that it had one piece cast bronze spool.

 Either way, it's a nice addition to your Penn collection !!

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 12, 2019, 09:44:31 AM
Chris, is your sailfisher sporting a 3 piece chrome spool ??

 The reason I ask is the sailfisher only had 3 piece spool in introductory year of 1953...... After that it had one piece cast bronze spool.

 Either way, it's a nice addition to your Penn collection !!

 Ted


Ted it appears so. Thats great info. I did not know that thank you.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 12, 2019, 09:46:08 AM
Great find, Chris, and a first year model too... ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on January 12, 2019, 10:12:14 AM
Nice find Chris! The power handle was offered as an option and don't believe any of the reels came with it, but I 'm just guessing, I'm not a pro as some of the guys here. :-\

Thanks for sharing!

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on January 12, 2019, 12:24:09 PM
Ted,
   What can I say that others haven't already... where's the box?! :-*
In all seriousness, that is one beauty of a reel that has been lucky enough to find it's way into your hands.
Chris,  from the collector stand point it's really the only Sailfishes to own... nice find.
Well done gents,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on January 12, 2019, 02:30:13 PM
Ted & Chris, good people, deserve a few wins, you both fit the mold, good luck to both of you, & thanks for showing us, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on January 12, 2019, 05:29:21 PM
If you need any parts Chris, lemme know. I have a Sailfisher sans tail-plate (ring is there though) and handle. Hmmm, gonna have to remove that strange flat-sided line and see what kinda spool it has...


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 15, 2019, 09:19:12 AM
Most pre-war Senators used German Silver as their base metal. If you remove the chrome and polish them, very antique looks happens to your Penn. Your Penn may take on the identity of a Cozzone Squidder instead of a Penn Squidder.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on January 16, 2019, 05:46:22 PM
well, since it says, just as you find them here it goes...

this baby monsta needs some work but totally doable and worth it



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Rivverrat on January 16, 2019, 05:50:01 PM
Alex, expect to see some follow up on your progress with this one... Jeff


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on January 16, 2019, 06:22:15 PM
That hole where the bearing used to be looks pretty big...is it fatal?  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on January 16, 2019, 06:25:29 PM
That hole where the bearing used to be looks pretty big...is it fatal?  Bill

yep. it needs a new handle side plate

wondering what caused that kind of damage, hopefully the spool is not bent or it will be an expesive project  :-\
but I first need the handle side plate to check that spool


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on January 16, 2019, 08:27:25 PM
hopefully the spool is not bent or it will be an expesive project  :-\
but I first need the handle side plate to check that spool
Sometimes you can see wobble by rolling the spool on a table.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 16, 2019, 09:54:06 PM
Just as You find them !
I have a stable of 5-6 senators,  all 4/0 and 6/0's which are my go to reels.
But have picked up this 4/0 black sided LH reel.
Looks as though the line has been on for decades, reel has been covered in a sticky gunk all over,
There's quite a bit of Green and corrosion everywhere, but a nice wee project.
I luv Senators, some of your guy's photo's have had me drawling !
SO, I also managed to secure my first 1st generation 12/0, in pretty nice condition, will post a photo when it arrives,
But for now, the here's a pic of the 4/0 LH reel.

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 16, 2019, 10:46:25 PM
Col, love the LH reel man, great find!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 16, 2019, 11:00:46 PM
Thanks Darin,
                    There's a fair bit of corrosion on this one, the photo doesn't really show it, So I'm not sure what I'll end up doing with it
  till I see how it cleans up. I have no Idea of the age, I wont fish with it, so I'll probably shelve this one. Is it like the pre war vintage ones,
as far as, leave it alone how it comes out after a clean ?.  It's got part numbers so it's post 50's, so would parts be available or interchangeable so I have the option of prettying it up ?, or just clean and shelve ?

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 17, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
 Col,
I can’t wait to see pictures of your new first generation 12/0! I’m glad you didn’t hesitate on it!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 17, 2019, 02:28:41 PM
 This super minty 40’s era 10/0 arrived today I’m happy with it, she’s very very pretty!
Was in a early 60’s box, but thats OK because I have an era correct reel to put in it


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 17, 2019, 02:30:42 PM
Couple more. The handle is gorgeous. Green is my favorite


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 17, 2019, 03:55:22 PM

 Holy moly Batman.....looks like it just left the factory !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Dominick on January 17, 2019, 04:04:45 PM
You're right Robin... What a beauty.  Dominick


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 17, 2019, 04:26:35 PM
another home run, Chris, congrats!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on January 17, 2019, 05:06:49 PM
 somebody buys a reel to go fishing and then somebody said no your not ;) love that reel,,,,75 years old and looks brand new,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on January 17, 2019, 07:44:47 PM
Beautiful reel Chris, I guess its all about connections...and money of course ;D.
The 10/0 is one of my favorite, I have a few in great shape myself and actually had one just like yours, but got rid of it 4 years ago and yes it is still bothering me  :)
Your collection keeps getting better and better, very nice.

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 17, 2019, 09:40:02 PM
Chris that is a beauty, nice find, WOW.  the condition !
SO, I did weaken and decide that all those lovely senators on show from everyone, I just had to jump on the 12/0.
It's the first one I've seen bigger than  6/0, Holy  @@@@, I can only imagine how big the 16/0 is, geez,
Anyway, I quickly took a few photo's before her indoors came home, then hid the offending item for the time being,
That was an issue in itself, hiding it and completely upset my shelving plans.
Anyway, here it is, again sorry for the quality of the pics.
I've worked out it's a first generation, also has the coin edge on the handle and other lever. Is it a case of only being able to approximate
The age, or can the handle be a clue as well ?
Of course, i shall be consulting the "book".

cheers
Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 17, 2019, 09:50:24 PM
That's a beauty, Col!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 17, 2019, 09:59:33 PM

 I think 1937 was when the 12/0 had no front harness lugs

 Your 12/0 is in exceptionally nice condition and hope you continue to find more ancient Penns

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 17, 2019, 10:39:36 PM
Thanks Ted,  they really are a thing of beauty when you have them in hand !


Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on January 17, 2019, 11:12:57 PM
Nice spool of line too.  Looks unused.
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 17, 2019, 11:23:25 PM
WOW Col that is a keeper! What a beautiful first gen!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 17, 2019, 11:40:31 PM
Thanks Chris,
                 And a special thanks to you for your help and advice,  very much appreciated.
If ever I get over Stateside, I'm picking that your collection is one worth viewing !!!!


Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 18, 2019, 11:14:52 AM
 This 12/0 also represents the first senator with a fishing scene picture plate. Notice the goofy looking boat with a roof over the entire back deck, and side canvas too !!

 The 14/0 & 16/0 both had this same tailplate fishing scene


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 19, 2019, 02:34:16 AM
A newbie question here.
The line is very loosely wound on my new 12/0 and managed to manipulate it to see the spool looks to be in great condition,
But, I would like to remove it to check the spool out properly etc.
Do you guys leave it off for display or what are peoples thoughts, ??
put it back on or leave the spool empty....
Ted, yes I checked out the side plate closely, it's great when you look at them carefully.

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 19, 2019, 04:13:43 AM
 It’s all your personal preference Col.  If I buy real that has monofilament on it it gets taken off immediately and thrown in the trash. If I buy reel like yours that has nice vintage linen line I reel it onto another reel in order to inspect and clean the spool.  If the reel is it going to be a wall hanger I will put the  old linen line back on it. If it is going to be in the glass display I leave the line off of it. If the spool is in bad shape I will take pics and cover it with the linen line.  This way if I decide to sell it in the future I can show any perspective buyers pictures of the spool condition without having to unwind all the line again.
Again it’s all your personal preference. You just have to figure out what’s right for you.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on January 19, 2019, 05:13:09 AM
Very good advice Chris!

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on January 19, 2019, 07:22:53 AM
It’s all your personal preference Col.  If I buy real that has monofilament on it it gets taken off immediately and thrown in the trash. If I buy reel like yours that has nice vintage linen line I reel it onto another reel in order to inspect and clean the spool.  If the reel is it going to be a wall hanger I will put the  old linen line back on it. If it is going to be in the glass display I leave the line off of it. If the spool is in bad shape I will take pics and cover it with the linen line.  This way if I decide to sell it in the future I can show any perspective buyers pictures of the spool condition without having to unwind all the line again.
Again it’s all your personal preference. You just have to figure out what’s right for you.
I do pretty much as Chris does. Nice, old line can make a reel mounted on a rod look much more authentic, but most all of my reels on the shelf are without line. I have saved some of the nicer line on a few of the larger reels, because you can't find that in good shape very easily. I think I have a 9/0 and a 12/0 Senator currently storing line. On each spool there are various types of line - I just tie on to the last line and wind up the new - sometimes it goes back on the spool it came off of after cleaning - Chris' idea of taking a pic of the spool before it gets covered back up is a good one. Most of the line that arrives with a reel is crap and goes in the trash.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 19, 2019, 11:35:11 AM
Ok I don’t know about this flea market buy today. Obviously its a Jigmaster 501 in mint condition. What I don’t get is the spool bearings? I’ve never seen anything like them on a Penn. They fit and work perfectly.
(Yes the yellow sticker was the price)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on January 19, 2019, 11:45:24 AM
Those are Newell teflon bushings. Supposed to get better freespool


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 19, 2019, 11:47:44 AM
Thanks Swami!
So I should not replace them with factory Penn?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on January 19, 2019, 11:58:14 AM
I've had them on  a few reels for many years, they work well and no chance of corrosion. They were a "thing" out here with penn reels when you'd put the whole Newell kit on. Honestly don't know that they make much difference but they don't hurt either. It's a bit of fishing history


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 19, 2019, 12:01:57 PM
Found: Penn 12/0
Where: 30min drive
Price: $60
Condition: needs some love


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on January 19, 2019, 12:07:18 PM
Found: Penn 12/0
Where: 30min drive
Price: $60
Condition: needs some love


it needs much much less love than mine  ;D ;D :D
nice find for $60.00


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 19, 2019, 12:15:52 PM
Found: Penn 12/0
Where: 30min drive
Price: $60
Condition: needs some love


it needs much much less love than mine  ;D ;D :D
nice find for $60.00
I was thinking of you when I picked it up yesterday ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 19, 2019, 09:18:59 PM
Great find and price Darin,
And a neat project to boot.

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 19, 2019, 09:32:22 PM
Great find and price Darin,
And a neat project to boot.

Col
Thanks, Col, Daron is sending me a handle/knob and I'll take it apart and see what's going on in there.
Should be a lot of fun bringing it back to life. Darin


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 19, 2019, 10:00:00 PM
Darin, I like getting some pristine ones straight to the shelf, like my recent 12/0
But getting a project, or one that needs some TLC is what keeps it interesting.
I recon she will look like a jewel once done......

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Reel 224 on January 19, 2019, 11:35:56 PM
Darin; I noticed the handle side plate has a mixed bag of screws, be sure to change them with Penn screws. Also take pitchers of the disassembly and assembly for us.

Joe


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 20, 2019, 12:05:30 AM
Darin, I like getting some pristine ones straight to the shelf, like my recent 12/0
But getting a project, or one that needs some TLC is what keeps it interesting.
I recon she will look like a jewel once done......

Col
I agree and I'm more into projects myself, so this one is exciting me!

Darin; I noticed the handle side plate has a mixed bag of screws, be sure to change them with Penn screws. Also take pitchers of the disassembly and assembly for us.

Joe
Yes, new screws for sure and lots of pics, Joe, thanks buddy!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on January 20, 2019, 07:37:16 AM
Chris, If you're gonna use the reel stick with those Newell bushings, if you're gonna shelf it (because it's mint) than take them out and save them for a reel you're going to use.  They fit on other reels as well, i.e. 112h.
Nice reel.
Darin, that's a score for $60... well done.
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on January 20, 2019, 08:59:22 AM
Chris, If you're gonna use the reel stick with those Newell bushings, if you're gonna shelf it (because it's mint) than take them out and save them for a reel you're going to use.  They fit on other reels as well, i.e. 112h.
Nice reel.
Darin, that's a score for $60... well done.
Dom
Yeah. That 501 looks like it didn't get used too much, or too hard. Could it be the bushings were installed and then the reel wasn't used? The sticker says yes! But ya never know...

Darin, hope those Phillips head screws didn't wreck the Penn threads. $60? Hell yes!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on January 20, 2019, 09:32:46 AM
To me they appear to be Accurate ss screws, having the same threads as the stock screws.
They are actually better than stock.

Great buy Darin...enjoy it!

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 20, 2019, 11:17:15 AM
Dom i replaced the bearings since it’s getting shelved. If anybody wants them (free) let me know.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on January 20, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
You're a classy guy Chris!...you will make someone here very happy.


Very nice.   
 
Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on January 20, 2019, 12:19:58 PM
I will take them Chris if you don't want them for a 112 .    John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on January 20, 2019, 01:13:00 PM
Very nice of you, Chris ... John, you'll enjoy the smoothness.
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 20, 2019, 02:18:14 PM
 Recently stumbled onto a Long Beach 68 that nobody else wanted...till I came along ;D  Also bought a 67 for pocket change as a donor reel, but after cleaning off the old grime, I decided it was too nice to use for a parts reel.

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 20, 2019, 02:49:23 PM
Damn nice!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on January 20, 2019, 04:42:01 PM
WOW!!!! very nice. I have several 68's, an undersung piece if there is one, but mine are of the retired-from-headboat variety, not those queens you got there brother!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on January 20, 2019, 06:00:32 PM
Sure wouldn't mind stumbling with you some day, Ted.  I'm blind from that glare! 8)
Nice finds,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on January 20, 2019, 06:17:16 PM
    Ted's donors look they came off some collector's top shelf. The donors I buy look like a barnacle farm. Nice LBs Ted!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on January 20, 2019, 06:44:28 PM
Well, I fish anodized lever drags and a bunch of graphite this-that-and-the-other for other things. BUT I wish I could go back in time, and walk into Abercrombie and Fitch before they started selling pants I can't get one thigh in, and see polished chrome for sale, and Harnell's, Magnaflex, St.Croix and Fenwicks, to smell fresh varnish and metal polish...so much more than the aluminum spools and plastic frames now....


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Dominick on January 20, 2019, 06:48:47 PM
   The donors I buy look like a barnacle farm.

I almost spit out a glass of wine.  Very funny Mo.  Dominick



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on January 20, 2019, 09:00:27 PM
I remember going into Abercrombie and Fitch when I was a kid and marveling at all that high end gear, alot of fly gear,creels and the like. I could never picture myself in one of those tweed coats with the patches on the elbows. Reality would set in and back to scrounging for blue chip stamps around the house for a new reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: steelfish on January 21, 2019, 10:16:05 AM
Found: Penn 12/0
Where: 30min drive
Price: $60
Condition: needs some love


it needs much much less love than mine  ;D ;D :D
nice find for $60.00
I was thinking of you when I picked it up yesterday ;D




Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 22, 2019, 11:28:57 PM
Quote
Recently stumbled onto a Long Beach 68 that nobody else wanted...till I came along Grin  Also bought a 67 for pocket change as a donor reel, but after cleaning off the old grime, I decided it was too nice to use for a parts reel.

Ted, you do realize that your old parts reels look better than my NOS reels................ That is beginning to depress me..........................................<:O(


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 23, 2019, 07:58:19 PM
Picked up this puppy today,
By my accounts, it's a first generation 9/0, and with the handle, should be a first year  36 ?????

It's my second first generation now, it looks like a pup next to the 12/0,
It's not the best of conditions, has some issues, but a good clean up should have it looking in OK condition.
My photo's aren't the best, but someone may have taken to it with the intent of buffing it up, or maybe this has some decent use.

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 23, 2019, 08:01:33 PM
Sweet looking reel, Col, you did good man!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 23, 2019, 08:43:28 PM

 Wow, very nice condition 1st gen

 The oil port in the knob makes it more likely a 1937 version, but still a fantastic find !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 23, 2019, 09:03:55 PM
Thanks guys, Yes, I have sort of found a liking to these Senators !
 I didn't know that regarding the oil port in the handle making it a 37,  thanks for that.

My photography examples weren't really that good, or at least didn't really show up it's condition to well.
It does have some corrosion issues, including patches of that green stuff !, so it's nowhere near the condition of my 12/0 I got recently.
BUT, I know I can give it a good going over and make it more presentable, albeit with a bit of Patina, enough for it to look half decent on the shelf.

cheers
Col



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Cuttyhunker on January 24, 2019, 04:33:00 AM
Yes it's a correct first year 12/0, the only year with no front lugs, my 37, like most, had the handle changed out for the easier to crank torpedo grip after they became available in 39, so extra good find to get a first year with the original wooden grip.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on January 24, 2019, 04:52:55 AM
Nice find Col, with that 9/0, it drives me mad, when people try to print there name or initials on the chrome rings, it would be just as good on the top of the foot, maybe, it will polish up good, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 24, 2019, 09:51:39 AM
This early Seaford was a local buy for $20


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 24, 2019, 09:54:07 AM
The internals look weird to me. Not like what I’m used to seeing on my other penns.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 24, 2019, 11:04:47 AM
I think I answered my own question. Consulting of the bluebook it appears this is a first year 1933 Seaford with the internals that they were accused of infringing on.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 24, 2019, 11:09:00 AM
Great find, Chris, and some history to go along with it!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on January 24, 2019, 02:15:02 PM
This 78 just came in the mail,,,,with shipping $24.75,,,I though I pay to much ??? But when I seen it,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on January 24, 2019, 02:17:29 PM
I think I answered my own question. Consulting of the bluebook it appears this is a first year 1933 Seaford with the internals that they were accused of infringing on.
that's a nice seaford,,,,, :D a 33,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 24, 2019, 02:23:39 PM
Thats some nice mottling Benni!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Fishy247 on January 24, 2019, 02:34:52 PM
That's a pretty sweet find Benni!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on January 24, 2019, 03:28:43 PM
Thats some nice mottling Benni!
x2
That's a pretty sweet find Benni!
x2



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on January 24, 2019, 06:28:38 PM
Thanks my friends,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 24, 2019, 10:11:47 PM
I've Never seen a mottled picture plate like that before Benni.
Incredible!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 24, 2019, 10:13:34 PM
Such a cool reel, Benni, great find!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 24, 2019, 10:49:30 PM
Great find Benni,  that will be a cool display reel.

Chris,  I too got a first year Seaford, was hoping the JK markings were inside, but no.
      What was said was, that these Seafords were very late 33, and Penn used there first shipment of side plates, hence no markings
  It's over in the vintage section, quite interesting.
here's mine.

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on January 25, 2019, 06:21:02 AM
I've Never seen a mottled picture plate like that before Benni.
Incredible!

   I have one of those mottled picture tail plates for a 78...but that's all I have...Benni has the whole enchilada!
Nice score on the Seafords too Chris and Col. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on January 25, 2019, 06:32:28 AM
Beautiful reel Benni ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 25, 2019, 12:22:12 PM
Col is this what you are talking about? It is on the inside of ny tailplate.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 25, 2019, 01:30:24 PM
Penn 25th Anniversary Edition 113 4/0 I just acquired, I believe it's from 1957, can anyone confirm?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on January 25, 2019, 01:46:40 PM
Cool, bet that 25th anniv. sticker makes the box even more collectible. Looks brand new.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on January 25, 2019, 01:56:23 PM
What a beauty, no customizing that baby, put it on a shelf.

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Reel 224 on January 25, 2019, 02:14:56 PM
NICE reel Darin great allocation to your collection. The price on the box :o :'( not today!!

Joe 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 25, 2019, 03:17:08 PM
Nice one Darin!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 25, 2019, 03:20:14 PM
This 710 was a local buy. Box has some issues but I believe this is a time capsul reel that has never been used.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 25, 2019, 03:28:18 PM
Thanks everybody, it was a steal of a buy and I'm loving the history of it as well.

Another great one you found, Chris!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 25, 2019, 06:08:43 PM
Nice Greenie Chris.
  Ok, you have the JK markings,  I've got 2 now, one with original box, and both have no JK, both were Penns first side plates used.
  Good find

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 25, 2019, 07:51:11 PM
Well, I did the big clean up on my 4/0 LH reel,
     Swapped out a few parts from a donor reel, reel seat, inner rings etc.
 It's not perfect, but it's free of the green stuff and because it's a LH, I will place it on the shelf.....

Col
      


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 25, 2019, 10:15:46 PM
Quote
This 710 was a local buy. Box has some issues but I believe this is a time capsul reel that has never been used.

great reel. Very tough to fiind NOS like that. These were usually heavily used. The spools on these are different than all the other Greenies. Careful with them, they will break if over stressed. Seeing one with the sticker still on it is rare.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 27, 2019, 07:00:32 AM
This first generation 6/0 arrived yesterday


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 27, 2019, 07:02:23 AM
There was a bonus reel packed in the box with the first gen 6/0.... ;D
A first gen 4/0!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gman_WC on January 27, 2019, 08:56:21 AM
Very nice. Root beer - foot ball handle and all. It looks to be two tone. Is it part wood?
-g


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on January 27, 2019, 08:58:04 AM
Wow, that's a heck of a bonus Chris!

Looks like you're on your way for the first generation complete collection, or maybe you're already there :).
Nice reels!

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Jeffro on January 27, 2019, 11:30:45 AM
Whoa...  Gotta love those striped torpedos.  Seems the knobs had more character and variety in the earliest days then became more simple and homogeneous as time went on.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on January 27, 2019, 12:15:50 PM
Chris
I like the BONUS reel better than the 6/0 1st gen !! The 4/0s seem harder to come by. Another 500 reels and you will have all the Penn's !   Lol     Nice find !    John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 27, 2019, 12:17:50 PM
It doesnt come close to yours John


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 27, 2019, 12:25:03 PM

 I agree with John.....that waffle click 4/0 belongs in the Smithsonian

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 28, 2019, 03:31:31 AM
Thanks guys, I’m particularly proud to own these two because they belonged to Ray Hodges.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on January 28, 2019, 04:30:14 AM
There was a bonus reel packed in the box with the first gen 6/0.... ;D
A first gen 4/0!
Let me know if you ever find a second generation 4/0. The smaller reels came in the same configuration from the beginning.

Sid


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 28, 2019, 05:32:03 AM
There was a bonus reel packed in the box with the first gen 6/0.... ;D
A first gen 4/0!
Let me know if you ever find a second generation 4/0. The smaller reels came in the same configuration from the beginning.

Sid
I have several second generation 4/0 reels. Are you feeling OK this morning Sid? LOL


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on January 28, 2019, 06:25:28 AM
There was a bonus reel packed in the box with the first gen 6/0.... ;D
A first gen 4/0!
Let me know if you ever find a second generation 4/0. The smaller reels came in the same configuration from the beginning.

Sid
I have several second generation 4/0 reels. Are you feeling OK this morning Sid? LOL
Dang, it's the 3/0 and smaller that never changed configuration? Sorry Chris, some of the things that were crystal clear in my mind just a year or two ago have started to get a little foggy, I guess. I never wish to be a source of misinformation, I apologize.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Hardy Boy on January 28, 2019, 08:43:49 AM
Got an older Penn 9/0 for $ 60 (Ted said it was a good price) including shipping. Looks like it was never used but there was some pitting on one side of the spool, one ring and the top of the seat other than that it was clean especially the internals. A little cleaning replaced the three stack drag with a five and but it back together, put it on an old fenwick to play with. With that three piece spool will it be OK to spool half full with braid and they fill with mono ??

Cheers:

Todd


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on January 28, 2019, 11:15:11 AM
Looks like it was a great price!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Cuttyhunker on January 28, 2019, 11:27:09 AM
Darin,
your 4/0 may be earlier than 57 (or not) with the logo under the eccentric, I believe I've read here that it migrated up under the lug in the "mid fifties".  I'll defer this comment to anyone here with any real knowledge beyond the one comment I recall having read on the dating of the switch.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 28, 2019, 11:32:33 AM
Darin,
your 4/0 may be earlier than 57 (or not) with the logo under the eccentric, I believe I've read here that it migrated up under the lug in the "mid fifties".  I'll defer this comment to anyone here with any real knowledge beyond the one comment I recall having read on the dating of the switch.
Thanks for the reply, Cutty!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 28, 2019, 11:34:29 AM
I think the logo move is later. Into the 60s when they started with the 113 logo


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 28, 2019, 12:01:19 PM
Picked up a 10/0 this past weekend for another steal, I love the narrow width compared to the 12/0. Going to clean it up this weekend when I get my new reel work desk, so excited to finally get a work area! Pics to follow . . .


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on January 28, 2019, 12:29:18 PM
With that three piece spool will it be OK to spool half full with braid and they fill with mono ??

Yeah, that should be OK. The braid should compress and prevent the mono from blowing the spool out. The standard recommendation I've read is to fill the spool 1/3 full with dacron line and then the rest with mono. I doubt dacron is much more or less compressible than braid line.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 28, 2019, 12:40:29 PM
Darin,  That's a great buy  ! well done.
 I don't have a 10/0 and wondered where it fits, with regards to size.
 So, is it the same diameter as the 12/0 but narrower ?


Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 28, 2019, 12:43:44 PM
Darin i like your anniversary box. I have one too but its the surf fisherman. The 6/0 anniversary box is the boat fisherman like yours. I never realized or I just don’t remember mine being different??


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 28, 2019, 01:09:04 PM
...And Chris,
      Those 1st generation Senators are beautiful !!!!

  Wow


Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 28, 2019, 01:14:58 PM
Darin i like your anniversary box. I have one too but its the surf fisherman. The 6/0 anniversary box is the boat fisherman like yours. I never realized or I just don’t remember mine being different??

That's really cool to know about the boxes being different, does your 4/0 box have a reel in it?  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 28, 2019, 01:17:19 PM
Darin,  That's a great buy  ! well done.
 I don't have a 10/0 and wondered where it fits, with regards to size.
 So, is it the same diameter as the 12/0 but narrower ?


Col
Col,
From what I've learned here, the 10/0 is just a narrowed version on the 12/0, I think that's why Sal likes the 10/0 so much.
Someone more knowledgable can chime in I hope?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on January 28, 2019, 01:30:23 PM
Darin,  That's a great buy  ! well done.
 I don't have a 10/0 and wondered where it fits, with regards to size.
 So, is it the same diameter as the 12/0 but narrower ?


Col
Col,
From what I've learned here, the 10/0 is just a narrowed version on the 12/0, I think that's why Sal likes the 10/0 so much.
Someone more knowledgable can chime in I hope?

Darin is correct —

Of the (10) Senators —

14/0 is a narrow 16/0

10/0 is a narrow 12/0

2/0 is a narrow 3/0

The 9/0, 6/0, 4/0, & 1/0 are all “stand alone” diameters.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 28, 2019, 01:32:20 PM
Thank you Fred for clearing that up, I appreciate the education ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 28, 2019, 01:49:52 PM
Thanks Fred,  all clear now.
 Some nice eye candy there !

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on January 29, 2019, 11:14:22 AM

 1958 49M with original box, catalog, and original purchase receipt from June 26 1958.

 The box says super mariner, but the reel has deep sea reel endplate. Penn simply melded the 2 together and even some modern day 49L "super mariner" reels have the deep sea side plate.

  Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on January 29, 2019, 11:41:34 AM
In 1952 Penn introduced the Penn 49 new name of Super Mariner but as Penn is Penn there were plenty Deep Sea Reel sideplates in stock so they used them as they pleased I guess ...

Beautiful Reel there Ted She’s a keeper  :)

AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 31, 2019, 02:49:02 PM
This ‘46-‘49 era 6/0 came today. She is so mint its crazy!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on January 31, 2019, 03:02:48 PM
Chris, hate to break it to you, but ORCA defines a mint reel as one that has never had line on it.... :) Really.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on January 31, 2019, 03:21:20 PM
Sid, hate to break it to you, but I really dont care. LOL.... :)
Seriously tho shes clean as a whistle


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on January 31, 2019, 03:32:24 PM
CLICK HERE (https://www.orcaonline.org/services/reel-grading/) for the ORCA grading system. It doesn't come out and say here what I said about the line, but this reel would grade out an A10 because you can't say it's never been used - because the line is on it..... but practically there is no difference between a mint reel and an A10.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gman_WC on January 31, 2019, 03:45:58 PM
Looking good and congrats. Minty Fresh!  :D
-g


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on January 31, 2019, 04:01:44 PM
Call it whatever you want to, that's one gorgeous reel!

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on January 31, 2019, 04:13:03 PM
Great find Chris, thanks for showing, if its not mint, it would be good in my cabinet, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on January 31, 2019, 04:52:15 PM
Minty fresh, that's a beauty! Looks like it was spooled and put back in the box.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 31, 2019, 04:58:36 PM
I had a girl like that once  ;D  ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Reel 224 on January 31, 2019, 07:35:43 PM
I had a girl like that once  ;D  ;D  ;D

Darin: What ever do you mean?  ;) :) :)

Joe


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 31, 2019, 08:00:32 PM
I had a girl like that once  ;D  ;D  ;D

Darin: What ever do you mean?  ;) :) :)

Joe
She was minty fresh ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on January 31, 2019, 08:25:47 PM
Picked up a Silver beach with star drag to go with my non star drag one today.
It's in reasonable condition, will clean up OK for the shelf.
But was surprised on two counts, unlike my non star drag knuckle buster, this one had a waffle type button,
And it turned out to be a lefty !.   Didn't know they existed until I went into Mike's book, introduced in 38, so since it has the waffle clicker
I'm presuming this was a first year model ? BUT, handles not right for that !
So I find I'll now have to look for a RH one now, and a LH non star drag !!!
It doesn't  end this Penn reel collection Caper !!!!

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 01, 2019, 05:51:58 AM
that lefty is a nice find Col!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on February 01, 2019, 07:02:09 AM
CLICK HERE (https://www.orcaonline.org/services/reel-grading/) for the ORCA grading system. It doesn't come out and say here what I said about the line, but this reel would grade out an A10 because you can't say it's never been used - because the line is on it..... but practically there is no difference between a mint reel and an A10.
Line ona reel that's never touched salt or freshwater would just help keep the spool pristine lookin. Unless maybe, it was stored outa the box in a humid climate. If it were mine, I'd remove the line to see... Perhaps we needa "AT grading system".


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on February 01, 2019, 09:50:57 AM
Grading reels is super subjective even with guidelines. That’s a beauty of a 6/0, Chris. Congrats on your find.
Col, I never heard of a lefty knuckle buster. Wouldn’t a knuckle buster work with either hand?
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 01, 2019, 11:01:04 AM
Thanks Dom!
Well I took the line off to inspect the spool. Looks really good. I see no reason to put the line back on so I will save it for something else



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on February 01, 2019, 12:02:14 PM
Wow Chris, very nice! But still not mint :) I guess "Minty" is ok :)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on February 01, 2019, 12:17:17 PM
WOW


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 01, 2019, 12:21:36 PM
That reel is beautiful, Chris, great add to your collection buddy!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on February 01, 2019, 02:40:06 PM
Chris,  Stunning !   what ever the grading would be called, still Stunning !
         And a great addition to any collection, well done.......
       That 4/0 with the waffle clicker,  Wow.....


Dom,  I agree, a knuckle buster winds both ways.
           When I realised it was a Lefty, I went into mikes book and in 38 & 39 it's marked as "both" for LH option
        Then from 40-41-42 it's only marked as the 97 as a lefty option.
        Maybe it was just a typo  ?   Or I've just mis read or mis understood.... which is probably more likely.... ;D
       
  Col
       
       


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on February 01, 2019, 11:41:35 PM
Quote
When I realised it was a Lefty, I went into mikes book and in 38 & 39 it's marked as "both" for LH option
        Then from 40-41-42 it's only marked as the 97 as a lefty option.

The Model 98 would never be marked as a Left Hand drive reel because it has no anti-reverse. Simply turning the reel on the rod allowed for Left Hand operation.

 I know everyone calls reels without an anti-reverse "Knuckle Busters" but the true meaning of Knuckle Buster is a reel with no drag, anti-reverse or free spool. The term was coined in the turn of the century in California at the Catalina Tuna Club. Back then many reels were simple winches, so when a tuna grabbed your bait the handle spun like an aircraft propeller. Many fisherman had damaged hands trying to stop or grab the handle.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on February 03, 2019, 09:40:50 PM
I scored a mate for my existing tricked out 4/0 special today,
It had been sitting in a shed for a few years and looks as though it may have been converted and not fished.
I have one exactly the same and know what it cost me to trick it up, so for a $50 exchange, I was more than happy.
My one is my go to reel for just about everything in the boat,  and have been thinking of doing another one for some time.
Haven't had a look inside this new one yet, but the seller couldn't give me any info on it apart from that it was in the shed when they
bought the house !!!  So I'll open it up and have a look to see if any mod's were done inside and give it a good service, find another suitable
rod like my other one and I'll be set !!!!
Makes a change from all the vintage ones I've been concentrating on of late....

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: CooldadE on February 03, 2019, 09:43:58 PM
Sweeeet ! Great find and price...

Cool


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on February 03, 2019, 09:48:34 PM
Hi cool,
           Yeah, I was wrapped, and a bit embarrassed when he only wanted $50 for it, I actually couldn't reach for my wallet quick enough.
   The one I already have, is a " fished version" of exactly the same !
   I was only recently scouring the forum and looking at randy's offerings, as I wanted a second one doing.......


Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on February 03, 2019, 10:36:40 PM
It couldn't have been laying in the shed for very long because it has the latest style topless Tib frame for use without inner rings on the plates.        Rudy


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on February 03, 2019, 11:00:25 PM
Ok, thanks Rudy, Haven't compared it to my existing one yet, I will do that next time at the factory.
     The seller said they have had the house for 3-4 years and it was box in the shed where they found it.
    My one I did maybe 7-8 years ago from memory, Gee, maybe longer, I cant remember, will be interesting to compare the reels.
   

  Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 05, 2019, 05:22:01 AM
Quote
This 710 was a local buy. Box has some issues but I believe this is a time capsul reel that has never been used.

great reel. Very tough to fiind NOS like that. These were usually heavily used. The spools on these are different than all the other Greenies. Careful with them, they will break if over stressed. Seeing one with the sticker still on it is rare.

Just wanted to point out that there is one of these with box and sticker on the big auction site right now. Its not mine but in case anyone is interested.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 07, 2019, 09:09:06 AM
Found an early pre-numbers 1/0, love these little Senators!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: nelz on February 07, 2019, 11:12:34 AM
Found an early pre-numbers 1/0, love these little Senators!

Didn't know they made un-numbered 1/0's, cool.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 07, 2019, 11:17:58 AM
Nice find Darin!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 07, 2019, 11:37:25 AM
Found an early pre-numbers 1/0, love these little Senators!

Didn't know they made un-numbered 1/0's, cool.
I didn't know until yesterday ;D
Nice find Darin!
Thanks, Chris!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 07, 2019, 11:40:03 AM
Just picked this one up, pre war 6/0 that's pretty clean and shiny.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Reel 224 on February 07, 2019, 12:23:23 PM
Nice reel Darin, are you going to fish it?

Joe


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 07, 2019, 12:47:50 PM
Nice reel Darin, are you going to fish it?

Joe
Probably not, it's too pretty ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 07, 2019, 01:38:38 PM
 Oh hell yeah Darren that’s a nice score I love that 6/0


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 07, 2019, 02:47:08 PM
Oh hell yeah Darren that’s a nice score I love that 6/0
I had a feeling you'd like that one, Chris ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: xjchad on February 07, 2019, 03:03:09 PM
 :o That's a pretty one Darin!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 07, 2019, 03:30:07 PM
:o That's a pretty one Darin!!
Thanks buddy!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on February 07, 2019, 05:07:34 PM
Great 6/0,,,and everytime I look at the thread it's like a firework show,,,,thanks guys for sharing them,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on February 07, 2019, 08:15:26 PM
Darin, That's a Shelfy,  great score !
         Your getting some nice stuff of late, Congrats.

Col
       


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 07, 2019, 08:22:46 PM
Darin, That's a Shelfy,  great score !
         Your getting some nice stuff of late, Congrats.

Col
       
Great 6/0,,,and everytime I look at the thread it's like a firework show,,,,thanks guys for sharing them,,, ;D

Thank you guys, it's one of my new favorites for sure!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on February 07, 2019, 09:58:49 PM
Nice 6/0 Darin,
I haven't visited this thread in a while.
I'm slacking in my old age. ;)
Minty, Mint, whatever.
That 6/0 of Chris's is mint if there ever was one!
I will call it, Damn!!! :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on February 08, 2019, 06:15:28 AM
Beautiful reel Darin! put it on a shelf, you have many others to fish ;).

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 08, 2019, 06:49:03 AM
Nice 6/0 Darin,
I haven't visited this thread in a while.
I'm slacking in my old age. ;)
Minty, Mint, whatever.
That 6/0 of Chris's is mint if there ever was one!
I will call it, Damn!!! :o
Thanks brother!
Beautiful reel Darin! put it on a shelf, you have many others to fish ;).

Sal
I will do just that my friend  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 08, 2019, 05:19:40 PM
Ever seen a early green 155 Beachmaster?



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 08, 2019, 05:21:59 PM
It has the early picture tail plate and stippled headplate


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 08, 2019, 06:57:47 PM
what a cool reel, Chris, never seen one before, I like the dark green and picture on it, great score buddy!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on February 08, 2019, 07:03:59 PM
Lookit the knob on that baby. Kinda looks like wood. Very nice. Date?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on February 08, 2019, 07:30:46 PM
Wow, that's a beauty, can't be very many of those. Beautiful condition too. Nice find!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on February 08, 2019, 08:15:16 PM

 These green pre war Penns are very common.....

.....but only if your first name starts with Chris  :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on February 08, 2019, 10:06:34 PM
Not Pre war like what I have been targeting, BUT
A late 40's Surfmaster, basically NIB. some real delicate Penn packing paper, which I've not seen before
And a Penn plastic reel bag, again, not seen one of these before.
Must have been bought then put away, I don't believe it's ever had line on it.

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on February 08, 2019, 10:12:12 PM
Chris,
          I think that green 155 needs to be sent down under for authentication purposes !
         Promise I'll send it right back   ;D

  Col
    :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 08, 2019, 10:36:51 PM
Lookit the knob on that baby. Kinda looks like wood. Very nice. Date?
No thanks buddy I’m married.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on February 08, 2019, 10:47:46 PM
Lookit the knob on that baby. Kinda looks like wood. Very nice. Date?
No thanks buddy I’m married.


HaHaHaHa........


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on February 08, 2019, 10:50:28 PM
 :D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on February 08, 2019, 11:31:24 PM
Quote
It has the early picture tail plate and stipled headplate


That green 155 is the first one I have seen. it is a very early reels, probably late 1940's. I would say it is a special order reel. Very unusual to see a Light Tackle reel in the odd color. Great find!!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on February 09, 2019, 06:35:15 AM
Very nice find Chris. First one I have ever seen.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on February 09, 2019, 07:30:24 AM
Chris, it's probably not, but have you checked to be sure it hasn't been painted? :). It's been done before, and it's that odd that I would check. I'd crack it open and if it's the same green on the inside I'd scratch a spot internally to be sure it was green all the way through. Looks correct, but you can't be too trusting of the human race these days.....

Edit: looking at the pics again I think I can see the green is a little blotchy in places and looks brownish in places. Not saying it's definitely painted, but maybe I'm not so sure anymore..... I could just be seeing dirt on the green plate, but I see it on both head and  tail plates.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 09, 2019, 07:52:45 AM
Sid its legit.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on February 09, 2019, 07:56:15 AM
Sid its legit.
I hope you come back and show us pics after it's cleaned up a little.....


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 09, 2019, 08:08:09 AM
Sid its legit.
I hope you come back and show us pics after it's cleaned up a little.....

Sorry its not up to your standards.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: sdlehr on February 09, 2019, 08:54:29 AM
I just assumed you were going to clean it up because that's what I would do - if you don't want to, that's up to you, but there's no need to apologize for it. It's a great find and I would clean it up - at least with some soap and water - but that's just what I would do. I apologize if my statement put you off.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on February 09, 2019, 09:47:13 AM
Some serious collectors like to see the reels untouched, especially one of this caliber.

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: foakes on February 09, 2019, 09:55:26 AM
Thanks for sharing your find, Chris!

Reminds me of Chili Verde.

Great historical Penn piece.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on February 09, 2019, 10:19:30 AM
Chris,
    That is the reel deal, pal.... and a major score!  First one these I've seen as well.
Nice find,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on February 09, 2019, 10:42:18 AM
 I think you should re-paint it red......and install newer power handle and go fishin'


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on February 09, 2019, 11:16:39 AM
Looks like green paint to me LOL !!!!!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on February 09, 2019, 02:22:26 PM
Lookit the knob on that baby. Kinda looks like wood. Very nice. Date?
No thanks buddy I’m married.

Happily?... Probably...lucky lady. PM me if you change your mind.

Ha! , good one Chris. You can tell by the comparitive lameness of my come-back.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 10, 2019, 04:10:22 AM
Im sorry Col I forgot to congratulate you on a great find with that Surfmaster! About as mint as you could hope to find! I love those green tags!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on February 10, 2019, 10:19:18 PM
Thanks Chris,
                        First green tag I've got actually,
          But speaking of Green, nothing like that show piece green reel you scored but.
   But at least it shows there are still some good finds out there if you look hard.

cheers Chris

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 27, 2019, 01:20:46 PM
Need to resurrect this thread with a nice lefty greenie to match my 710 from several pages back


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 27, 2019, 08:06:06 PM
Sweet reel Chris, makes a good pair.

The wife must have felt sorry for either me or this 6/0, either way for $5 I won't complain. Looks to be an early 2nd generation with linen line and rosewood handle. Looking forward to giving it a good clean.  Don't know what to do with the missing clicker, I don't use them very often, so might leave it blank to keep it as original as possible.  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on February 27, 2019, 09:17:34 PM
Hi Chris,
           I don't know much about the "Greenies", But that is one real nice clean looking one, Congrats......

Bill,   That's as original condition as they come !
         I'm looking forward to the after shots, I recon it will scrub up a treat.....


Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 28, 2019, 02:39:41 AM
Whoa Bill that actually looks good all dirty. It also looks like it would clean up pretty well. Your wife has a good eye


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on February 28, 2019, 06:25:32 AM
You're gonna have a blast bringin' that one back from the dark side Bill...it looks like the kind that comes out way better than ya had figured. The wifey scored big! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on February 28, 2019, 07:12:27 AM
Curious to see if that spool is drilled. If so, it’s early 2nd generation.  Looks like it might turn out to be.
I agree, that reel will shine with some love and attention and that we know you can do. ;)
Quite a wife ya got there,
Dom
PS= get another 6/0 side plate cause you most likely can't fix it properly


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on February 28, 2019, 07:20:05 AM
Bill, Mystic-Penn-parts has the clicker assembly, 'cept it's gotta be peened in. Pounding on it could possibly break the plate, though, if you's to miss.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 28, 2019, 05:45:26 PM
Picked up a pristine 349H yesterday, one of my favorite reels.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on February 28, 2019, 06:11:39 PM
Beautiful reel Darin! At the rate you're going, another month and you will need a bigger house ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 28, 2019, 06:27:29 PM
Beautiful reel Darin! At the rate you're going, another month and you will need a bigger house ;D

haha, I do sell some of them, but a bigger house would be nice ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on February 28, 2019, 07:42:11 PM
Oh Wow Darin, that looks real pretty !
 You have definitely got the knack in finding some nice Gem's,
well done.


Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on February 28, 2019, 08:11:24 PM

 You callin' that reel pristine ??.....c'mon man.....are you blind ??

 .....the lube tube is dented, and the catalog has a folded corner  ;D  ;D

 nice reel Darin


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 28, 2019, 08:24:34 PM
Extra cool beans on that one brother...bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 28, 2019, 09:16:15 PM
Thanks guys, I've been doing a lot of searching and once in awhile I find a good one  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: CooldadE on February 28, 2019, 09:21:09 PM
Picked up a pristine 349H yesterday, one of my favorite reels.

One lever 349H... love it !

Cool


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on February 28, 2019, 10:15:04 PM
Nice reel Darin!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 28, 2019, 11:09:03 PM
Nice reel Darin!!
Thanks, Chris, something about these 349's that I love, I have four and gave another one away too. Do you have any of them?



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: xjchad on March 01, 2019, 09:19:23 AM
 :o :o :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Dominick on March 01, 2019, 10:24:22 AM
Nice find Darin.  Dominick


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 01, 2019, 12:48:18 PM
Nice reel Darin!!
Thanks, Chris, something about these 349's that I love, I have four and gave another one away too. Do you have any of them?


I have a single lever that is maroon but not great shape.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 01, 2019, 12:51:17 PM
I need to thank Brian Purrone for this first year 1939 first gen 6/0. Would you classify the reel as mint?  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on March 01, 2019, 01:17:26 PM
Minty fresh ;D

Love it man!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on March 01, 2019, 01:42:09 PM
Mint for sure, just great, thanks for showing us, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on March 01, 2019, 01:45:52 PM
Oh yeah! Mint indeed with that Penn label/tag on the bar.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on March 01, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
Chris that handle is pretty for a 1939 first gen 6/0  :o :o

Cheers
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 02, 2019, 03:47:54 AM
Thanks guys!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on March 02, 2019, 04:16:21 AM
That must have cost a pretty penny...what a find!


Thanks for showing it to us.


Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Captain64-200 on March 02, 2019, 04:49:38 AM
That must have cost a pretty penny...
Sal

Yes , 23.50$    ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on March 02, 2019, 05:58:08 AM
That must have cost a pretty penny...
Sal

Yes , 23.50$    ;D
You got me there, Fred 🙂


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Cuttyhunker on March 02, 2019, 08:39:26 AM
Those were the much bigger 1930's buck a roos


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on March 02, 2019, 03:34:59 PM
   That handle knob is fantastic...great colors! Museum piece of a reel there Chris.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on March 02, 2019, 06:22:45 PM
   That handle knob is fantastic...great colors! Museum piece of a reel there Chris.
that is fantastic and sometimes the knob is just so cool,,,,it makes a big difference,,,,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on March 04, 2019, 05:04:47 PM
This just came in,,,, :D I think it's a 1937 Seahawk,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on March 04, 2019, 05:13:15 PM
Nice reel there, Benni3!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on March 04, 2019, 06:18:25 PM
You are correct Benni.  Penn went back to the 3 post design except this time around they went with black side plates for one last year.
Clean her up and shelf her.
Enjoy your find,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on March 04, 2019, 07:10:25 PM
Nice find!  Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 05, 2019, 02:47:31 AM
Nice reel Benni!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Oceanreels on March 05, 2019, 10:35:37 AM
Nice Reel


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on March 05, 2019, 04:31:18 PM

 This one is not pre war and not as sought after,  but my guess is the 50's era reels will someday gain a higher status in the collector world, just not in my lifetime  ;) ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on March 05, 2019, 05:01:54 PM
Thanks my friends,,,,, :D and like that 49m very nice,,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on March 05, 2019, 05:37:11 PM
Only you could find a reel like that... mint in the mint box with all the fixins.
Darn, that's a nice package.  Enjoy it pal.
Thanks for showing us a sweet find,
Dom
PS- Mint in the mint box Penn reels from the 50's that have key features like yours (49M on box and the wiffled spool and all in that condition) will always bring good numbers.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on March 05, 2019, 05:50:28 PM
Super cool reel, Ted, that spool is wild!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 06, 2019, 01:38:03 AM
Oh yeah thats a beauty Ted for sure!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on March 06, 2019, 02:36:13 AM
That's a cracker of a find, nice reel.....................

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on March 06, 2019, 06:58:43 AM
Nice!
Is the waffeled spool for wire line maybe?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on March 06, 2019, 07:43:23 AM
Nice!
Is the waffeled spool for wire line maybe?
The box says Wire Line Trolling so I would guess so.  ;D       Rudy
 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on March 06, 2019, 11:30:34 AM

 It's been a while since I posted this one, and had requests to post again. It's been in my custody for several years now and it lives in a sealed glass case, and covered from daylight to prevent box or label from fading

  1936 1st year 9/0 with factory fresh box..... I paid a kings ransom to own it, but have no regrets whatsoever

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on March 06, 2019, 12:02:54 PM
There is no finer example of  first year 9/0 reel and box than that one right there.
Certainly a center piece of any Penn collection.
Thanks for posing her up for us to drool over,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 06, 2019, 01:34:47 PM
Gorgeous reel Ted, that box is in amazing condition! Probably the nicest extant.
Speaking of Kings ransoms, I cant match the box but I will raise you a reel. LOL ;D ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on March 06, 2019, 06:45:29 PM
Wow Ted and Chris,  enough said.

Now back to reality for us normal blokes   LOL
 I'm a bit embarrassed to show and tell mine after the last couple of stunners shown,
But I'm plugging away and trying to plug gaps in my Senator passion, until the opportunity arises for those illusive 1st generation ones.
Have a few on their way, ( not 1st gen) but managed to plug a gap here with a boxed 4/0, in used condition with old chord line on it,
But I can tell it will clean up beautifully, but with a box type I didn't have before.
From what I can tell, from the price and type of box, somewhere between 58-60 ??
Anyways, I absolutely luv the handle, hope the Pic comes out so you can see it......

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on March 06, 2019, 07:01:38 PM
Col, love everything about that reel, box and cord line, the colors of all of it together look sweet!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on March 06, 2019, 10:15:21 PM
Thanks Darin,  Something to tinker with and clean up and then onto the shelf.
   I wasn't going to put the other I received today up, I bought it on impulse and the fact It was only $14.00, the postage came in at
   $7.50 for one of those satchels, So $21.00 for a boxed 1950 reel, I was happy with that and gives me some more evening Tele time cleaning.
    Didn't realise how board I was of a night time once I had stripped and cleaned up all the reels I have got so far, So I'll stretch the process out on
   These two for a few days hopefully !
  Not the clearest of photo's

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 07, 2019, 12:16:48 AM
Thats a heck of a nice 4/0 Col, the box is in amazing shape! Love that old black line.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on March 07, 2019, 12:46:33 AM
Thanks  Chris,  It is in good condition, a simple clean up and it will be a good Shelfy, Maybe a little bit of green stuff under the line, but it
                  Should clean up well.   Not up to those stunners you and Ted put up, but I've just widened my search a little for the Senators, until they
               Swapped over to the different boxes. I was very lucky to snare a pretty well mint anniversary model with a box, which will arrive in a few weeks,
             along with a couple of other non numbered senators, so I've definitely widened  my parameters a wee bit....

Cheers

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 10, 2019, 03:32:07 AM
Went to the annual GBFA flea market in Chesapeake VA yesterday. It was a big show. The vintage reels were mostly common and well used. I dod manage to scoop up this nice old Long Beach



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on March 10, 2019, 04:15:48 AM
Nice reel Chris!...love that handle.

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on March 10, 2019, 04:17:02 AM
You found the diamond in the rough, Chris, great find buddy!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on March 10, 2019, 04:34:58 PM
Terrific score Chris,  good eye !


Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 13, 2019, 11:33:47 AM
Quote
Went to the annual GBFA flea market in Chesapeake VA yesterday. It was a big show. The vintage reels were mostly common and well used. I dod manage to scoop up this nice old Long Beach

That is a special find. About a 1937 or so. Worth a fortune in parts. Great reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on March 13, 2019, 01:19:06 PM
Nice find Chris, did you polish the handle yourself, if so, what did  you use, please, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 15, 2019, 09:52:27 PM
You always seem to be in the right place at the right time Chris.
Great Find Brother!
I've never seen a Long Beach as Pretty. ;)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Christopher M Songer on March 18, 2019, 01:57:47 AM
Saw this last week at a local flea market/antique mall as we were leaving to get my wife to work. Can anyone identify this and tell me is it worth going back for another look. did not have time to find staff and open the case.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on March 18, 2019, 02:37:50 AM
Great 6/0's,,,,there just fabulous,,,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Cuttyhunker on March 18, 2019, 09:16:30 AM
The Penn That shouldn't exist

That Zebco Guy's explanation of the history from the ORCA web site


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on March 19, 2019, 05:04:30 AM
C.M.S. check to see if that reel is painted, it looks like the spool is brown on 1 side and black on the other. Maybe it's just the photo? If that's factory made buy it,$23 is well worth it, if painted not so much.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 19, 2019, 02:36:19 PM
Has anyone ever seen a Seagate with such a crooked mold stamp?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Fishy247 on March 19, 2019, 02:40:02 PM
That's wild! Looks about 30 degrees off to me. Can't be too many of those around!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 19, 2019, 10:49:05 PM
Quote
The Penn That shouldn't exist

The reason these were not released has nothing to do with bad feelings of any employee. They were not released because the cost of importing the parts was too expensive. so the entire production stopped. They were sold in Japan by the maker of the parts. Daiwa. The distribution of the remaining Penn stock was done in a few different ways resulting in some of these reels being renamed in the USA and some sold with the Penn designation. The entire process turned out to be very weird. I wrote and article in the Reel News about the history of this particular reel.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Cuttyhunker on March 20, 2019, 10:44:09 PM
Thanks Mike, I know closely held businesses, not being accountable to share holders, do some strange things so Dick's old explanation was plausible for this short lived anomaly.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 21, 2019, 09:30:04 PM
Quote
Thanks Mike, I know closely held businesses, not being accountable to share holders, do some strange things so Dick's old explanation was plausible for this short lived anomaly.

Yes, The explanation offered by Dick Braunn was a rumor back then. New information changed all that. I did some inquiries with Herbert Henze and he ended that employee rumor. Funny how stories get passed on. Dick was a major contributor for the Reel News article.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 23, 2019, 03:44:45 PM
Flea market score today was a first generation 6/0. She ain’t the prettiest girl at the dance but for $35 i couldnt say no.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 23, 2019, 07:27:44 PM
Quote
lea market score today was a first generation 6/0. She ain’t the prettiest girl at the dance but for $35 i couldnt say no.

$35.00 :o :o :o :o :o

Worth three times that on a bad day. Great score!!!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on March 23, 2019, 10:56:46 PM
Good Chris well done, after you get to it, we possibly wont reconize it, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on March 24, 2019, 02:40:58 AM
I think he is done with it LOL !!!! ;D   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on March 27, 2019, 05:08:11 PM
Very nice 6/0,,,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Chuck on March 28, 2019, 05:13:14 AM
18 bucks for this 501 newellized to a 99!! ;D Excellent interior, some corrosion on exterior. Only issues, base doesn’t fit my rod and doesn’t have the bottom clamp part, and two small right plate screws for the spacer bars corroded and broke off inside so till have to get them out


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Fishy247 on March 28, 2019, 07:16:44 AM
If you go to the for sale section on this site, you can find a guy that's selling custom Newell trigger clamps that should work for that reel. Nice score!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on March 28, 2019, 08:20:56 AM
Boy, all you guys are getting some great stuff ! I thought I could pick up some goodies whle we were "down south", but, all I saw were either way  out of my budget....or junk !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 29, 2019, 12:26:33 PM
I already had all three of the red “anniversary” Senators new in box. I couldnt resist another virgin 114HL  ;D
Is the catalog 36B correct tho? I have catalogs 35A and 37A and I dont see these reels. The only catalog I have that shows them is the 50th anniversary catalog


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on March 29, 2019, 12:42:02 PM
That's very nice,,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Rivverrat on March 29, 2019, 03:04:35 PM
I like that 114 also. Looks really slick... Jeff


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on March 29, 2019, 03:24:20 PM
Nice one, Chris, I've been looking for a red anniversary model, what sizes did they come?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 29, 2019, 03:31:20 PM
Thanks guys!
Darin they were 114HL, 113HL, and 113HLW (wide)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on March 29, 2019, 03:53:08 PM
Thanks guys!
Darin they were 114HL, 113HL, and 113HLW (wide)

Thanks for the info buddy!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on March 30, 2019, 07:45:59 PM
Hi All,  I've been a tad quiet of late with regard to "Penn finds"
Although I do have a few finds arriving from over the big water any day now !!

So, below shows 2 Silverbeach reels, 97 & 98.  The 98 I got a while back, a 38 year model and documented in the vintage section.
But I don't think I posted up on the 97. It's interesting to see them side by side.
The 98 has the drilled spool, the 97 has the post, the older 98 has the hershey clicker, the 97 has the waffle type.
I never noticed till after clean up, that the 97 is actually a L/H model, Which isnt stamped on the head plate, which I thought was cool.
It's a dizmal day out here, so the photo's aren't the clearest.
I do have a soft spot for these Silverbeach reels, they are one of my Favourites.....

Col
  


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on March 30, 2019, 09:56:23 PM
Cool reels, Col, and I'm excited to see your new reels sent from the good ole USA ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on March 31, 2019, 01:28:53 AM
Good to see you posting again Col! Nice finds!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on April 06, 2019, 09:37:45 PM
Ok, Well a package arrived a few days back, but have been fair under the pump at work catching up after my 10 days break to post up my
   "just as I find them" additions.

Managed to fill a few more "Senator" gaps that I was looking for ( still a lot to go).
Not only Did I receive the reels, But the seller included a few extra's which I wasn't expecting, a couple of Penn vintage stickers and,
An old fishing knife with what looks to be Porcelaine side plates, Was blown away by this.
First two reels are, A non numbered 1/0, my first view of one of these and a non numbered 6/0, with coin edge counter balance,
Both in brilliant condition.
The second photo is a anniversary boxed 4/0 Senator, in superb condition.
These reels were good enough to go straight on the shelf........
Now the Seller was from the Ohana right here, Darin Crofton, Can't Say thank you enough to Darin, who gave me a great price and packed my little gems up and sent them half way around the world, and, as mentioned, put a few extra's in with the package as well.
 It's great to meet new, similar minded friends on this great site,  Thank you Darin........

Col



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on April 07, 2019, 03:52:11 AM
Nice Col! That 1/0 looks awfully familiar LOL Darin is that the one you bought  from me?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 07, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
You're so welcome my friend, Col, so happy everything got there safely and that you like the reels too!

Chris, I'm not sure about the 1/0, I'm having brain fog, but you're probably right?  ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Fishy247 on April 09, 2019, 11:14:39 AM
Nice! Way to keep it in the Ohana gentlemen!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: cdaline on April 13, 2019, 08:30:42 PM
As found at a sidewalk sale... $10.00. Missing L.S. bearing and
bearing spring. Easy to track (I hope). Circa 59'- 60's . Should
be an easy re-hab to put back in service...but, dissection will tell.  ;)
My first Monofil.... could not pass it by.  

Charles
https://imgur.com/a/nRNDvSC


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 21, 2019, 08:36:23 AM
That's going to clean up very well...shows us the after pictures when your done....Bill


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on April 21, 2019, 01:11:23 PM
This one completes my set of red spool anniversary’ish reels ;D



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 21, 2019, 09:30:39 PM
Quote
This one completes my set of red spool anniversary’ish reels

I kind of like the 500S. I know that some people say that everyone hated them. I remember a tackle dealer that had a whole bucket of them in the back of his shop. He told me they were very unpopular. The first Neptuna cradle rig I built to fish with had a 500S I used and I fished with it for years. Maybe it is because I have a special liking for Lexan as opposed to Bakelite. Your red spool version is a great add to a collection, in my opinion, even if the 500S is the Black Sheep of Jigmasters.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on April 22, 2019, 03:26:56 AM
Thanks Mike!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 22, 2019, 09:08:41 PM
Just picked up a grey monofil, came with an aluminum spool and a grey plastic spool. Doing a full clean up and adding some cf washers if needed. Now I have a green and a grey monofil, pretty neat little reels for sure.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 22, 2019, 10:08:12 PM
Quote
Just picked up a grey monofil, came with an aluminum spool and a grey plastic spool. Doing a full clean up and adding some cf washers if needed. Now I have a green and a grey monofil, pretty neat little reels for sure.

These are great collectibles. Keep an eye out for different shades of gray coloring. There are a few that were lighter gray than others. Makes for an interesting comparison in a collection.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 22, 2019, 10:18:18 PM
Great advice, Michael, I thought I'd seen a lighter one before, thanks!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on April 23, 2019, 12:15:56 AM
Nice find Darin,
                   They clean up really well and stand out on the shelf compared to others.
    I didn't know there were other shades of gray, as mike was saying, (more to collect   sigh ).
  I don't know how hard they are to find, I got lucky, but keep a eye out for the other coloured one, a lipsticked coloured monofil, the smallest of the 3,
 they sure look puretty all lined up together on the shelf.

Nice addition Darin

 Col
   
 


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 23, 2019, 01:21:19 AM
Nice find Darin,
                   They clean up really well and stand out on the shelf compared to others.
    I didn't know there were other shades of gray, as mike was saying, (more to collect   sigh ).
  I don't know how hard they are to find, I got lucky, but keep a eye out for the other coloured one, a lipsticked coloured monofil, the smallest of the 3,
 they sure look puretty all lined up together on the shelf.

Nice addition Darin

 Col
   
 
Col, Which colored ones do you have? I haven't seen a red one for sale yet, but I've been looking... ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on April 23, 2019, 02:55:52 AM
Hi Darin, I've got the green, the gray with only a chrome spool and the lipstick one.
         The lipstick one really doesn't photograph well, but it's an amazing colour in the light. The lipstick and green one are pretty minty, but the grey one
     needs a grey spool and it has some pitting on the handle.
  There's something about them Darin, obviously the colours, but they do catch the eye on the shelf.
  It's not the best photo, but here are mine.

Col
      


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 23, 2019, 02:57:17 AM
Those look awesome, Col, thanks for sharing my friend!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on April 23, 2019, 04:09:17 AM
Nice set Col!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 23, 2019, 07:42:35 AM
Great part of the Penn history


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on April 23, 2019, 07:50:30 AM
Nice !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on April 23, 2019, 12:23:57 PM
 The introduction of the "monofil reels" was a total marketing scam....all 3 of these reels were already being made by Penn for many years prior to monofilament popularity

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on April 23, 2019, 12:45:06 PM
The introduction of the "monofil reels" was a total marketing scam....all 3 of these reels were already being made by Penn for many years prior to monofilament popularity

 Ted

   I seem to remember seeing an ad where they stated the tolerences were tightened for the new line type. Yeah right...they had the same rings, spools, everything...all used on Beachmasters and Baymasters for years. They sho' nuf was purty though! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on April 23, 2019, 12:54:41 PM
 Mo, they were exactly the same except for the badging. You need to add the green 109,#9, and 209 and you'll have them all. ..advertised as "colormatic" reels
 The 155 is a monofil 25 and every single part is the same
 
 The monofil 26 was in production for many years as a 160, and same with the 27 that was known as a 180. I see no difference in line tolerance on the monofils, so to me it was all a marketing scheme and they continued making all of them for several years even though they were duplicate reels, but with different badging


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Gfish on April 23, 2019, 12:56:36 PM
The colored spools are plastic, right? If so, why would that be an enhancement for a reel designed for mono., with the stretching potential of mono. possibly breaking the spool?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on April 23, 2019, 01:36:30 PM
The colored spools are plastic, right? If so, why would that be an enhancement for a reel designed for mono., with the stretching potential of mono. possibly breaking the spool?

   That's the million dollar question G. I'd say the stretching debacle wasn't figured out until they all loaded up their shiny new Monofils with brand new mono...oh that horrifying crunch...oh the humanity. ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 23, 2019, 03:17:47 PM
Here are my 3 monofils. I wish I had a nice Lipstick colored one as Col called it but there cool. I only have rods for two of them also all chrome spools as colored spools are to wide for these cradles.   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on April 23, 2019, 04:04:55 PM
Wow John!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Alto Mare on April 23, 2019, 04:22:24 PM
Oh wow John! Those are beautiful!

Sal


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on April 23, 2019, 04:23:02 PM
 Very nice set John !!

 ....and also one heck of a large kitty litter box !!

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on April 23, 2019, 04:50:16 PM
Wow John those are really something. It looks like the cradles have a "trigger" on them. Do all the neptunas have that and I just never noticed?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on April 23, 2019, 06:25:09 PM
Beautiful equipment !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on April 23, 2019, 07:28:16 PM
speechless


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on April 23, 2019, 10:27:07 PM
Yep, ditto to all the above.
  John, thanks for showing those, absolutely awesome..


Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 23, 2019, 11:28:14 PM
Quote
Insert Quote
Here are my 3 monofils. I wish I had a nice Lipstick colored one as Col called it but there cool. I only have rods for two of them also all chrome spools as colored spools are to wide for these cradles.   John Taylor
Very interesting way you built those rigs. I never thought of mounting the colored monofils into those sized frames. I suspect your coloramic Neptuna combo rigs are the only ones in the world done that way.

Quote
Wow John those are really something. It looks like the cradles have a "trigger" on them. Do all the Neptunas have that and I just never noticed?
Not all, only the smaller models. Jigmaster Neptuna cradles have the trigger casting as do these small reel cradles, but the 49 / 349 and larger cradles do not have the trigger cast into the cradle.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 24, 2019, 12:35:09 AM
Thanks for the complements !! Only ones in the world Very rare unless you have a small Nep-Tuna frame and you put a colored Monofil in it that would bring the price of these rare combos down quick !!  Lol !! I bought the maroon one that way and added the gray and green thought they looked cool !!    John Taylor
PS Gonna ask Dom if I can buy the red 9/0 Senator for another 9/0 cradle I have now that would be RARE !!!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on April 24, 2019, 12:36:59 AM
Very nice set John !!

 ....and also one heck of a large kitty litter box !!

 Ted

It's a towel not a catbox !!!  Lol !! ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: thorhammer on April 24, 2019, 03:47:14 AM
wow. jewels.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on April 24, 2019, 04:03:37 AM
As always, John pulls out the  beautiful, impossible to finds that we all dream of. 
PS- if I decide to sell Big Red some day we can talk. It sure would go to a good home with great company.
Really sweet nep-tunas!
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on April 24, 2019, 04:26:40 AM
Really sweet John, awesome, thanks for showing them, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on April 27, 2019, 05:17:28 PM
No.249,,,,,,, :D I think it will clean up,,,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on April 27, 2019, 07:31:00 PM
Nice Find Benni,   That's got some character, just as I like them...

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 08, 2019, 01:12:34 PM
Been pretty slow lately. I picked up two new ones. First is a very clean Long Beach 60LS with box
The catalogs price a regular 60 at $6.50 from 1938-42 but I dont know when the LS models were made


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 08, 2019, 01:16:58 PM
You guys may need to help me date this one. I think its a 1949 first year Surfmaster 100 because of it having no part numbers. Im wondering if that plastic spool is correct


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on May 08, 2019, 02:38:43 PM
You guys may need to help me date this one. I think its a 1949 first year Surfmaster 100 because of it having no part numbers. Im wondering if that plastic spool is correct

   I believe '40 was the first year for the Surfy...and that space age spool is correct. These are great reels...good buy! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on May 08, 2019, 02:46:30 PM
The catalogs price a regular 60 at $6.50 from 1938-42 but I dont know when the LS models were made

  I think the LS models came out in '41. Nice find! 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 08, 2019, 02:57:48 PM
Thanks Mo!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on May 08, 2019, 06:16:08 PM
Very nice looking reels,,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: oc1 on May 08, 2019, 11:33:47 PM
fins on the spool
-steve


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on May 09, 2019, 03:05:23 AM
Hi Chris,
               Sorry I missed your last posts.
  The long beach you found is the same as I found a few months back, I picked up the 60ls & the 65ls  both boxed, but my 60ls has the hex clicker button.
 From what I found out, I think it was Ted commenting, was that 40-41 was the last time they used the generic long beach name on the head plate and when they started phasing out the yardage on the reel seat,  really cool looking boxes too....
My 60ls also has the optional reel clamp which was introduced around that time as well, so the consensus was 40-41.
Great find Chris, especially with the box, It's one of my favourite finds....
 

col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on May 09, 2019, 03:25:18 AM
Me again   ;D

Chris, I think you are right about model 100 first year being 49, The Surfmasters were introduced in 40 as mo said, but that was the 150 thru 250 models.
No part numbers could mean it is a first year, I couldn't find anything in the blue book I have, no mention of the spool, but I think the green book has more specific detail on each reel.  Nice find regardless though Chris,  I like the old Surfmasters, I still have a few holes to fill on those models.......
That's a couple of good scores you picked up with the Surfmaster and the 60 LS.

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 09, 2019, 03:51:47 AM
Thanks Col, great info! I see your 60LS has a different logo. Also now that you mention it I didn’t even realize mine had the heavy stand. Thanks for pointing that out.
Steve are you saying I should expect  to find fins on the spool of the 100? I havent opened it yet


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on May 09, 2019, 06:11:10 AM
Chris, I think you are right about model 100 first year being 49, The Surfmasters were introduced in 40 as mo said, but that was the 150 thru 250 models.
No part numbers could mean it is a first year, I couldn't find anything in the blue book I have, no mention of the spool, but I think the green book has more specific detail on each reel. 

I checked the green book fellas...Col is right...49' is the first year for the little Surfy 100.

Thanks Col, great info! I see your 60LS has a different logo. Also now that you mention it I didn’t even realize mine had the heavy stand.

   I didn't notice that either! The clamping stand is always a bonus on these early LB 60s. 8)


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on May 09, 2019, 10:52:57 AM
Mo, I should've said all the LS models I ever bought have all had the clamp seats... which is why I buy them.  
Just got another LL been LB 60 and it too came with the clamp seat but metal spool.
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on May 10, 2019, 09:48:22 AM
Nice find Chris !!
Keep them coming friend.  ;) ;)

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on May 10, 2019, 11:52:56 AM
You're getting some great finds !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on May 10, 2019, 07:24:13 PM
Ted, explained why many of these LS models are now seen with the clamp stand. The clamp stand was an option precisely at the time the LS models were available.
As always, Ted is a wealth of knowledge. Thanks for setting me straight.
Thanks
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 10, 2019, 09:20:44 PM
There is no setting straight a Rogue like you Dom. ;)



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on May 11, 2019, 08:11:13 AM
LOL, D, my wife would agree. ;)
Without you guys on here I'd be one confused puppy. Sure glad I have Otto's disciples to help me understand these things.
Dom



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on May 15, 2019, 01:12:29 AM
This arrived today,  I'm really happy to add this to my Senator collection.
 It was a bit Dark here today, photo's weren't exactly good.

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on May 15, 2019, 02:12:15 AM
That's a nice one,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 15, 2019, 03:01:33 AM
Very nice Col is that a black one?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on May 15, 2019, 03:26:48 AM
Hi Chris,
             Yes it's the black 114h, Sorry, not very good photo's, light was failing and my old Iphone is on it's last legs.
        From what I can see, it looks NIB, the box has wear, but the reel looks in really minty condition.
      Unfortunately the previous owner has hit hard times, but this was his centre piece, It wasn't cheap, but I was smiling when It arrived and I could see
     the condition it was in.  I'll take some better shots of it when I get time in good light........

Col  


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on May 15, 2019, 06:05:33 AM
Very nice Col  :o

As Ted said "the black sideplates were only produced for a few months in late 1963 and early 1964" .... did the catalog come with in the box ?

Cheers
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on May 15, 2019, 07:49:54 AM
Hi AC49,
              Yes that catalog was with the box,  good eye !
     It's from 76 I believe ?,  So that's definitely not a match for the reel, or the box to the reel possibly as well ?
    So maybe only a "minty"  114h black side plates reel only........
   Just need to compare this box to another couple of that era to try and confirm, but there at my factory....


Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on May 15, 2019, 08:36:46 AM

 Nice find Col. Correct box or catalog isn't as important as the pristine condition of the reel IMHO.

 The blackies are much tougher to find these days, especially in great condition

 Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on May 15, 2019, 08:44:42 AM
Thank you Ted,
                       They are terrible photo's, I'll try and take a couple of clearer ones tomorrow.
            The reel was as the previous owner described, very nice condition, so I was really happy when I got to look at it in person.
         I'm not to worried about a non matching box, as you said, the reel was the important part.....

    (And thanks again for your input and advice  !)

  Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 15, 2019, 08:48:22 AM
Hi AC49,
              Yes that catalog was with the box,  good eye !
     It's from 76 I believe ?,  So that's definitely not a match for the reel, or the box to the reel possibly as well ?
    So maybe only a "minty"  114h black side plates reel only........
   Just need to compare this box to another couple of that era to try and confirm, but there at my factory....


Col
Col i have often wondered about these boxes, but they are the box that has come with the black 114h reels I have.
Now, i have seen a very early red 114h with what i thought was an even earlier box with a “new 114H” sticker and a supplementary pamphlet introducing the new red reels.
Either way, as Ted said, the condition of the reel is what matters most and yours in a winner


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on May 15, 2019, 10:05:23 AM
 Chris, you are right about the sticker covering the original model on the box, which would've been a 114.

 I'm going to apply my logic to this sticker....it was to use up the over abundant inventory of 114 boxes, since the 114h was far outselling the 114. Just make a sticker and the 114 boxes could get used up...I am certain the earliest 114h box wasn't the one with the added on sticker, and possibly those earliest boxes had postal code "32" instead of a zip code

 Also, Penn wasn't shy about using the word "new" for a reel that had been available for many years. The government has since put limitations on how long a product can be called new


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 15, 2019, 11:40:33 AM
Thank you for the insight Ted. I was asking myself if they used the stickers because the “new 114h” boxes had not been made yet when the reels came out. But i like your logic better.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on May 15, 2019, 02:25:20 PM
Thanks Chris and Ted,                                                                                                                                                                                                
                     yes it was worth it for the condition of the reel by far. Really interesting info on the box, I wasn't aware of the sticker
                    They used, or the post code difference. It would be interesting to find out how many were made in the short production
                     run they had, but I suppose that would be near impossible.  I have a couple of similar boxes, for a 113h and a 114h which now
                     want to look at to see if they have the word "new" on the label, as I bought the 113h myself new in the late 70's, ( my first reel )
                      Great information guys, thank you.

   Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on May 15, 2019, 04:28:35 PM
The 113H came out about the same time as the 114H...... 1963.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on May 15, 2019, 04:58:08 PM
Nice find Col and in beautiful condition as well.  Keep up the good work on finding those relics.
Ted, your assumptions make a lot of sense.  We've spoken about this before and nothing else really fits.
Rudy, can spot a black 114-H from 2 miles away... consider yourself lucky for finding one Rudy didn't buy. ;)
Best,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on May 15, 2019, 08:29:10 PM
Thanks Dom/Rudy,
                            I was the first in literally with this 114h, saw it advertised not 2-3 minutes after the guy put it up, followed by quite a few offers from others if I didn't take it. I honestly thought postage from the U>S to Aussie could have been a deal breaker, so I was sweating it a while until he confirmed he would sell it to me.
  Here's a few better Pic's ( I hope ),  I can see with posting photo's, sitting them under a decent light may well be the trick to getting a decent shot.
   Had to give it a quick wipe down first, my Labrador Sab, decided to give it a good once over "tonguing while I went inside, not sure whether she was doing it out of approval of my purchase, or P/O had something wiped over it that she found a liking to.... ;D

Col

P.S  Rudy, how many do you have ?   or is Dom setting you up there !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on May 15, 2019, 09:07:35 PM
milne, so far I've got 7. One more then Dom.  ;D ;D  I'm always on the lookout for more.     Rudy


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on May 15, 2019, 10:31:22 PM
Hi Rudy,                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                         YOU HAVE 7,   Wow,                                                                                                                                                                             
                Half of Penn's  production numbers, must be in yours and Dom's collection !
      Rudy, what makes them special to you to go after them,  just the share limited run,
     or is this deep down, getting one back on Dom    ;D
     But in all seriousness, for a couple of blokes to have those sort of numbers, would in it self be rare...

  Col
 (  I am open to bribes guys   ;) )


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: RowdyW on May 16, 2019, 04:45:07 AM
Hi Col, I wouldn't consider them rare but I feel that they are scarce. I'm not trying to one up on Dom but both of us have been colecting them for a while even before most people knew they existed. I finally got one with the original box a few months ago. The box I have is identical to yours. I believe Penn started production of the black plated 114H ball bearing model then found out that people were getting them confused with the black plated 6/0 bushing models so they changed the color of the plates to end the confusion. People are still getting them confused even after all these years.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on May 16, 2019, 05:33:19 AM
The person who found me my first black 114h was Rob “norcal Pescador.” Ken at Oceanside was the owner. It was beat up and over priced but I got it when very few were unearthed. At one point it was the centerpiece of my collection... until Big Red came along. ;)
Thanks Rob... miss ya round here.
Dom
PS- Rudy has a passion for these reels and I do as well ...thus, our bakers dozen. :P


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 20, 2019, 01:45:46 PM
Couple of these went off a few weeks ago  on the auction site. I didnt get either of them. I was disappointed because I was in mandatory work meetings when they ended and I refuse to be a “sniping program guy”
God works in mysterious ways....
This one was trying to be sneaky ....LOL


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: milne on May 20, 2019, 02:11:38 PM
Chris,
       That's a stunner mate, Wow.
 
 That's a centre piece for anyones collection, good score

Col


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 20, 2019, 02:25:18 PM
Thanks Col!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Darin Crofton on May 20, 2019, 03:41:27 PM
Wow Chris that is the coolest looking Penn I've seen, congrats on a great find, good things come to those who wait... ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Donnyboat on May 20, 2019, 03:51:16 PM
Thats really nice Chris, did you pay, much for it, was it in good condition, or did you have to clean it up, thanks for posting it, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 20, 2019, 04:01:59 PM
Thanks Donny it was relatively cheap. It did need a cleanup. Im pretty happy with how it turned out.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on May 20, 2019, 05:14:15 PM
Wow that's really stunning, even a little green in it. Great find!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Benni3 on May 20, 2019, 06:30:38 PM
That's a very cool reel,,,,,love it,,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Fishy247 on May 21, 2019, 11:26:13 AM
That thing is SWEET!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 21, 2019, 10:13:17 PM
Tough to find a reel with that dramatic mottling. Great Find.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on May 22, 2019, 12:48:17 AM
Stunning find Chris. Thanks for sharing  :)

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on May 22, 2019, 01:57:38 AM
Thanks guys. Appreciate all the compliments.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 04, 2019, 06:26:48 AM
Lately, there have been some 49's following me home. I picked up these three, over the last 6 weeks, or so....total for everything was less than $70...reels AND shipping, so, they're in my "budget", anyway. Only 1 broken ring in the bunch, too !

1st one is pretty clean, and has an aluminum spool.....sometimes there are "good things", underneath all the old , crappy ,line !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 04, 2019, 06:31:03 AM
2nd one looks to be an "older version"...rosewood knob, and no part number on the stand, although it does have a "regular" chick button. It's got a "brown plastic" spool, and, the only broken outside ring in the bunch !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 04, 2019, 06:36:33 AM
#3 just came in the mail, yesterday, that weird , home made knob, while "interesting", will have to go, though !! Once I got the line off, I was surprised to see a spool that, so far, is "unknown" to me ! I've got plastic, "three piece} heavy metal, the "vented", both still "intact", and with the "vented arbor cover" removed, and aluminum...but this one is "different"...looks to be two pieces, joined in the center ???


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: xjchad on June 04, 2019, 07:17:49 AM
Those are some pretty 49's, I love the rosewood handle!
The spool in the last one is interesting.  I bet it would be the easiest style to widen for my wide 49. 
Let me know if you might be interested in trading it  ;)
Great finds for a great price!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on June 04, 2019, 08:20:34 AM
Hey crow i have some rings if you need them. Send me a PM


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 04, 2019, 08:29:00 AM
I *should* be good on a replacement ring.....I ended up with a "spare", or two, from a donor reel, when I built the "beefed up" , 49 / 349 cross breed. But, thanks for the offer ! Those parts are getting pretty "scarce", to say the least ! Especially the "handle side" ring !  Thanks again !...……..


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on June 04, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Just got this clean first year 1938 Silver Beach 97 with box and catalog 6.



Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 54bullseye on June 04, 2019, 01:29:12 PM
Sweet !!!!!!   John Taylor


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 04, 2019, 01:31:35 PM
That doesn't look "clean"...it looks "new" !!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on June 04, 2019, 04:49:58 PM
   Holy moly Chris...that Silver Beach is insane! How could a reel so old be so clean? I have a '39 Long Beach the same way...I guess they got shoved to the back of a sock drawer for 75 years.
   I missed your earlier post about the mottled Atlantic. I scored a mottled Delmar 285 a few years ago. It had a face like Walter Matthau when I got it. The first pic is "just as I found it". I cleaned it up, but the chrome was too far gone. Those dramatic side plates deserved more, so I pimped it out. The mottled reels really are head turners.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on June 04, 2019, 04:56:37 PM
Wow Mo that is a gorgeous Delmar!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on June 04, 2019, 04:58:39 PM

 Sometimes luck is on your side.

Nice $35 silver beach Chris. That eBay seller was totally clueless and could've asked for $300 more and it would've sold no problem


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 04, 2019, 05:03:26 PM
You guys are snagging some REAL nice stuff ! About those "mottled " reels....do you think they "intended" that pattern, or were they "grinding up scraps", and it just happened ?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on June 04, 2019, 07:32:11 PM
Great reel, Mo! I like how the red really stands out... you did a great job on her, too.
Enjoy her,
Dom


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on June 05, 2019, 07:10:03 AM
I noticed that in the number 6 catalog, the reel shown on the Silver Beach page is actually a Coronado. Sorry if im late to the party and this has already been discussed.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on June 05, 2019, 02:54:42 PM
Catalog 7 shows the correct picture


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on June 05, 2019, 06:39:42 PM
Quote
I noticed that in the number 6 catalog, the reel shown on the Silver Beach page is actually a Coronado. Sorry if im late to the party and this has already been discussed.

All the years I have been looking at my catalog, I never noticed that. Great find Chris!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 08, 2019, 05:25:03 AM
I'm "wavering" , at the moment ! Wavering between "buyers remorse" and extreme delight ! Saw this on ebay, and , to me, it looked to be "too good to pass up", so..............I jumped on it ! Reel and shipping totals $82. That's a LOT more than I've every spent on any reel...new, or used! I'm anxious to get it "in my hand", to see which way the "waver" finally goes !
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-SUPER-Mariner-49-DEEP-SeaFishingReel-Extra-Wide-Spool-excellent-Shape/173862124338?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: 1badf350 on June 08, 2019, 05:30:56 AM
Wow I think you did great on the price. Great score!!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Swami805 on June 08, 2019, 05:52:44 AM
So clean you could eat off it! Looks like you did good. Is that the "A" model?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on June 08, 2019, 08:33:52 AM
That is a fantastic looking 49 Crow! Since it's had the service work already done the price is very good. Wonder what's inside? New drags? Maybe some stainless steel parts?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 08, 2019, 09:32:59 AM
I don't *think* it's marked "A", and, I'm "itching" to see the whole thing, of course, but, especially the "guts" ! A person hears enough "horror stories" about stuff sold on e bay.....doctored pix, pix not of the actual item, outright lies !....that I am a bit apprehensive ???, and I can't believe that somebody else didn't snap it up, before I saw it.....But, in a few days I'll know if "I'm a winner, or somebodies dinner !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: mo65 on June 08, 2019, 10:39:29 AM
In a few days I'll know if "I'm a winner, or somebodies dinner !!

   I wouldn't worry too much Crow...any reel that clean on the outside is not likely to be a mess inside. The worst scenario would be that it's dead stock, and the servicing was only a squirt of oil. Even then...I think you're still the winner!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on June 08, 2019, 11:44:36 AM
In a few days I'll know if "I'm a winner, or somebodies dinner !!

 Hi Crow it looks good.
PS the 49A is the wide spool 49 from my side of the world.

Enjoy
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on June 08, 2019, 11:53:03 AM

 Great grab Crow !!

 That's a $200+ reel all day every day !!

 If you do service the reel, use extreme caution when handling the spool. Replacement spools are non existent for the wide 49.

 The power handle was likely added on. 49's came with a counterbalance handle, cause in direct drive the handle will spin.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 10, 2019, 12:51:38 PM
   I told xjchad I would post a better pic of the "odd" spool that was in one of the 49's that "followed me home". It appears that the "flanges" are, maybe, stainless steel...they are thin metal, and non magnetic, but I didn't "scratch" them, to see if they are , maybe, brass. A "slight" hint of rusty residue, and a "lack of green", help make me think...stainless. There are large "spanner-type"  *nuts*, which appear to be threaded onto the steel "shaft arbor"...which is quite a bit larger in diameter than the shaft arbors on the "3-piece " spool I compared it to.
    Does anyone know what difference (besides color!) there is between the "brown plastic " (I'm guessing bakelite?), and the "black plastic" spools ? The "black ones" seem to be a "smoother" plastic, without the "porous" look of the brown ones...maybe some sort of fiberglass resin ?
   anyway, here's the pix:


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 10, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
When I get some "spare time", I'll dig out my spanner sockets, and "gently" see if those are, in fact, "nuts". Right now...since it seems the rain is over for a couple days, I have *about* 10,000 * (really !!) spent iris stalks to cut out of the beds.....all 4500 sq. ft. of them !! And, "she who must be obeyed" is giving me the "evil eye" for being a "couch potato", even as we speak !! :o


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: xjchad on June 10, 2019, 01:41:55 PM
Crow,
Thanks for the pictures!  That's definitely the spool I'd need, however they are probably scarce!  I'll keep looking, but  will probably have to use one of the others that I have.  Thanks again, very interesting!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 10, 2019, 02:12:38 PM
Somewhere on the site, I saw another 49 that had this same type spool....I think there was some discussion about it "maybe" being one of the "vented arbor" type spools....that was missing the vented cover. But, I don't think that's the case, as I had a cover (badly cracked, and broken) off one of those type, and the "hub and center arbor" on that one appeared to be "pot metal" and was badly corroded, with lots of "flaky white crud" on it.I think this is just "another type" of spool that Penn tried. I suppose they were constantly trying different things, either in an effort to "improve the product", or ,"improve the profit margin" !


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 11, 2019, 08:32:30 AM
I just saw these, on ebay….they aren't the same as I have, and appear to be a totally different spool than any I've seen. Hard to tell with the "paint job", but they might be candidates for "widening", too.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PAIR-OF-PENN-49-METAL-SPOOLS-CHROME-BRASS-PAINTED-WITH-BLACK-RUSTOLEUM/163727122107?hash=item261ee5


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2019, 01:16:00 PM
   I received the "wide 49", today...and it was as nice..or even nicer...than the seller described ! I "wonder" about the service that he had done to it, though....thing was dry as a fart !  Just a bit of "oily residue" on the ends of the spool shaft, and tailplate bearing....and the original (I'm guessing) drags...one "brown", and two "black", brass washers, that show no signs of ever having "slipped". I decided, for the time being, anyway, to just "service" it, leaving everything "stock". It's too nice a reel (for me!) to take out on the water, so it will set on my shelf....at least until my resistance melts away, and I just can't stand it, anymore !!
   I "ebay mailed" the seller, and asked a few questions. He said his brother, who was working someplace in South Africa, at the time, sent it to him about 12 years ago. I asked about the possibility of his still having the box, paper work, ect,. and he told me he couldn't remember throwing it out, and would look for it.
   The only "thorn" I see is the handle lock screw....somebodies' screwdriver slipped ! As to the handle, itself, if the "power handle" isn't original, and a counter balanced handle is.....what type of knob would it have had ? Torpedo-type, or the flat, rubber knob ?


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on June 17, 2019, 03:45:51 PM
 Looks like it was never used.

 Correct handle would be the #49 torpedo

 Later models had rubber knob, but yours appears to be a vintage model. If you get the original box, that'll let us know if it should have torpedo or rubber knob. I would leave it as it is, unless you're going to fish it

 Very few reels from South Africa ever make it to American soil. Very cool you found out some history on this one and hopefully you'll get the box too !!

 -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: broadway on June 17, 2019, 06:42:09 PM
I can't tell without seeing screw heads and a few other tell tales, but it sure does look new to me as well.
You scored nicely on that one.
Enjoy her,
Dom
PS- Sure hope you can get that box.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 18, 2019, 03:35:57 AM
Thanks !!  The only screw head that appeared to ever having been "messed with", was the handle lock screw. Except for a few , slight "scratches"(so slight they "buffed off" with a dry rag), the chrome, spool, and end plates all look "perfect". The seller said he did have line on it, and had removed it, but I really doubt it was ever "fished"......nobody can be that careful ::).  I'll keep my eye out for a new, or nearly new, torpedo handle.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on June 18, 2019, 09:13:25 AM
Hi Crow the handle lock screw #110-60 was used in many Penn reels like the Jigmasters and Senators so that’s no problem. As for the handle I agree with Ted that the torpedo knob would be the most probable handle knob in this case. If you could show us the spool bracings it might make it easier. It could be the 6 star / 6 star with no raised bracings. If any there is any raised  bracings the spool could be older but that is also not an accurate date measurement.

As for the box it would be from the far right variety ..... as per picture below.

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 18, 2019, 09:25:40 AM
Here's a pic of the spool. I haven't heard back from the seller about the box......it probably went to the trash can :'(.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on June 18, 2019, 10:35:58 PM
Hi Crow that spool, based on the bracing pattern would be from the later 49A reels and would be paired with the dark blue 49A box.

My opinion (and this is only based on the many 49A reels I have seen over the years) is that the first batch of spools contained no bracings, then the 4 bracings, then the 4 star bracings, then 6 star bracings and finally the 6 star with 1 raised section (like yours).

I think the amount of bracings would have had something to do with strength of the spool as time passed.

Enjoy your 49A reel !!

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 19, 2019, 04:41:54 AM
Thanks for the info !!


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Maxed Out on June 19, 2019, 01:03:32 PM

 Penn did change the webbing several times on the 49a spool. The 2 pictured by AC49 are the earliest versions (40's-early 50's). There are at least 5 different webbing designs that I know of on the 49a spools.

  -Ted


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Crow on June 19, 2019, 01:16:25 PM
In what year did Penn quit production of the 49A ?  Those two spools from 40's - 50's have the same "webbing" ...or LACK of webbing, that I've seen on the "regular" 49 (and 149) spools. And I'm sure you're correct about the design change ,that it was to correct the "monofilament breakage" problem.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: Penn Chronology on June 19, 2019, 06:36:27 PM
Quote
n what year did Penn quit production of the 49A ?  Those two spools from 40's - 50's have the same "webbing" ...or LACK of webbing, that I've seen on the "regular" 49 (and 149) spools. And I'm sure you're correct about the design change ,that it was to correct the "monofilament breakage" problem.

The need for the 49 A was created by the need to have a high line capacity reel, light weight with a fast retrieve. I do not know for sure but I believe for all practical purposes, that the creation of the High Speed Special Senator reels with aluminum spools made the 49 A obsolete. Only my opinion, but I do not see much evidence of the 49 A reels being sold after the mid 1980's.


Title: Re: Penn Reels - just as you find them
Post by: AC49 on June 19, 201