Shimano Tyrnos 20
Here's a stock Shimano Tyrnos 20. New reel maintenance performed to grease/lube what needs to be greased/lubed or protected, and to increase free spool time.
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Schematics
http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Conventional/05TYR20_v1_m56577569830615690.pdf
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First thing, left side plate. Remove the 4 screws (TGT0560) and separate the left side plate (TGT0839) and left side plate cover(TGT0840).
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Notice the Loctite on the screw.
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Take a toothbrush and spread grease around and add some to the clicker assembly in the left side plate.
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Then, apply a think layer of grease on the left side plate cover, interior.
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Remove the left harness lug (TGT0832), the harness lug screw (TGT0831) and the screw (TGT0546). Remember which screw came from which hold as there are two different screws. Grease the harness lugs, screws and reassemble.
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Apply marine grease to the screw holes and screws, and reassemble the left side plate with the left side cover in reverse order.
Now the right side. Remove the screw (TGT0773) and handle bolt (TGT0774), and handle (TGT0775).
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Remove the gear shaft shield (TGT0776) and not the gear shaft thrust washer (TGT0777).
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Set the drag lever in free spool the remove the pre-program dial (TGT0782)
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Note the dial spring(TGT0783) and drag cam washer (TGT0785).
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Now, remove the Lever Quadrant(TGT0781)
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Then the two screws on the gear housing (TGT0792)
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This will allow you to remove the Right Side Plate Cover (TGT0793).
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Now, remove the right side plate screws (TGT0982).
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You will be able to remove the right side plate (TGT0800) and the spool (TGT0824) assembly.
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Remove the right harness lug (TGT0832), the harness lug screw (TGT0831) and the screw (TGT0546). Remember which screw came from which hold as there are two different screws. Grease the harness lugs, screws and reassemble.
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And place frame aside (TGT0833).
So now let's tackle the right side plate.
To remove the right side seal (TGT0811), we need to remove 4 screw (TGT0792 and TGT0980).
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Once the right side seal is removed, the driveshaft assembly can be removed.
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Note that this reel is provided with a drive shaft bushing insead of a drive shaft bearing.
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To be continued...
Hello,
Could you tell me if the break down of this Shimano Tyrnos 20 would be close to the break down of a Shimano Tyrnos 20II?
Thanks,
Spes
P.S. eagerly await the completion of thes tutorial ;)
Everything will be the same except for the handle and main gear breakdown. Internals will be similar to the TLD 2-speeds. See http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=38.0.
Thanks!!! I was able to open up my Tyrnos 10 and get that garbage drag plate with the carbon fuzz on it out of there. The washer measured ~44mm OD x ~14mm ID X 1.05mm thick, actually slightly over the 44 and 14mm's dimensions. Didn't see anything close on the drag washer list, but I saw Alan used a TLD carbontex washer on a larger Tyrnos. Any drag washers for other reels that I can trim down/open up to fit???
if the carbon is not falling off in chunks, you should be fine. how bad is it?
It was flaking off in chunks like yours around the screw holes. The screw driver slipped and hit the disc and a chunk came off and just with rubbing the disc, it is starting to fray up. I pretty much switch every reel over to Carbontex except for the UL trout reels so far. Or should I just get another disc from Shimano? I gotta order up some more parts anyway, lost that dang wrench for the Tyrnos handle and scratched that black nob up pretty good. I would prefer a Carbontex disc to that junky Shimano one!
If your reel is under warrentee, I'd go with shimano. If not, Carbontex all the way.
i spoke to dawn this morning about this same problem. if you call shimano at 877-577-0500, they will send you a new one. make sure to tell them that you want it greased. they should be able to do this for free. if this keeps up, maybe it would be a good idea for dawn to make a drag washer for this reel. alan
The drag washer looks like it was oiled or greased. The material felt very spongy, kinda like how oiled felt washers feel; it is soft and squishy, not like the hard carbontex. I think of CF discs as being hard, but this CF disc is soft for some reason. I'll order up a new one from Shimano with the other parts I need and see what this one feels like. I love this little reel, total powerhouse, but that drag washer is ridiculous!
Okay, further delays. Just spent the last 3 hours trying to complete the tutorial, and my system crashed and lost everything. I'll try to restart when I have more energy. Sorry folks.
Keep up the good work Bryan, your efforts are appreciated, awesome site. :)
i got very excited when i saw you guys had up the tyrnos , so i started to pull apart my 30 and 3/4 way through theres a comp crash :( ;) any chance of finishing it off :) would love to take it out fishn next trip ;D. or i will just continue ??? ;D
appreciate your efforts
cheers jason
We're counting on you Bryan. Keep up the good work. ;D
great job....ill be keeping an eye on this
Just noticed that I didn't finish this tutorial. Will work on it in the next few weeks. Forgot computer and will not be able to finish until I return home. Sorry folks. I promise, it will be done this month.
did you ever finish? haha ;D
i am about to take apart and service a couple tyrnos 30 2 speed reels i bought used. is this something i can attempt with minimal experience or should i take the reels to a pro? I have followed a couple other tutorials with success but have never messed with a 2 speed reel.
also, how should i go about assessing the integrity of the drag washers? i was pleased to hear the stock drags are carbon fiber, but i will replace them if needed. what should i be looking for that might indicate a need to replace? i read earlier in this thread about some flaking issues. also, if they do need replacing can i use the tld carbontex drag washers? if so, which ones will fit the tyrnos 30? i appreciate the help
CFA,
The tutorials are pretty clear. For the missing parts the TLD 30 II is almost identical as far as the gearing and such are concerned
A couple of notes to help you along:
When greasing the drags be gentle as they will fall apart easily (this is normal).
If the drag material comes apart and is adhering to the pressure plate then you may have a defective drag disk. Shimano may replace the drag disk if this is the case.
Jim N.
thanks for those tips, i will probably give it a try soon
does alan have a tutorial for the tld 30 II?
have a look here. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=38.0
ok just tried to work on my reel and now the drag won't work. Tightening the drag knob does increase the drag pressure, but i get no difference regardless of the position of the lever. I also cannot put the reel into free spool. Any thoughts on what might be wrong? I've had this problem before with other reels but i can't remember how i fixed them...thanks!
Check the simple things first. Is the cam in correctly? Did one of the spool bearings get left out? Did the teflon washer under the lever get left out? Are the belleville washers arranged correctly?
i guess my first thought would be the cam...it may have gotten "caught" when putting things back together. I will have to break everything back down and check. Man that thing has a LOT of screws...
update:
I am still having problems. Broke everything back down and reassembled. I am almost certain everything is in it's proper place.
Problem: I still don't have any free-spool. The problem seems to be in the drag knob. I know reels should be placed in free spool when disassembling the lever drag. Why is this? It seems like the positioning may be off, as in the lever isn't in the proper position that corresponds with free-spool. Any thoughts/ideas on what is going on and how to fix it are much appreciated.
I am somewhat new to servicing my own gear, and there is a learning curve with everything. I have had this problem before with other reels and it seemed to resolve itself after I messed around with it long enough. I would really like to understand what is going on as I think that would help me to prevent the problem from reoccurring in the future. Please bear with me and Thanks for the help!
the lever has to be in free and the cam has to nest inside the lever. that is the position needed to give the reel freespool. sometimes the cam is damaged. :-\
Quote from: alantani on October 10, 2011, 01:57:23 AM
the lever has to be in free and the cam has to nest inside the lever. that is the position needed to give the reel freespool. sometimes the cam is damaged. :-\
ok Alan, do you have another thread somewhere that would explain how to make sure the cam is nested inside the lever? I think this is the problem, I just don't know what I am looking for when trying to fix it. I don't think the cam is damaged as everything worked fine prior and I didn't do anything to it...
you know, i actually don't, but here's a photo with the lever in the proper place. the cam drops right in.
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bryan
when are u going to finish tyrnos 20 tutorial
i just bought a reel and need a service after 4trips
or has some else got a full tutorial on tynos 20
pete
If you need bearings for these, Dawn at Smooothdrag has them:
Order 1 bearing set #78 (1ea 9x20x6 & 7x14x5)
and 1 set #44 (1ea 7x17x5 & 7x14x5)
This applies to both Tyrnos 20 & 30 single speeds
Erik
Quote from: outsiderskip on December 31, 2012, 11:35:02 PM
bryan
when are u going to finish tyrnos 20 tutorial
i just bought a reel and need a service after 4trips
or has some else got a full tutorial on tynos 20
pete
Hi Pete,
I don't know how I missed this....a year later. arg.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8918.0 covers the Tyrnos 30. Same reel except 20 is narrower then the 30.
Bryan
I was wondering if someone who has a tyrnos or tld20 could check what the dimension of the handle post? I was wondering if a replacement tld or tyrnos handle would fit on a seigler reel. The seigler reel handle post is 6mm x 6 mm. Thanks
the post on the single speed tld 20/25 is somewhere around 7x7mm. :-\
I have a Tyrnos 16 in shop that a customer took apart and then could not get back together. I had not had a Tyrnos apart before, but it seemed pretty straight forward. I cannot get the drag to fully disengage, it will not go into free spool. The thing I noted on this reel is the Ball bearing (key 1161), that sits atop the pressure relief spring (key 1162) does not freely slide up and down on the spool shaft (key 1163). It seems jammed on the shaft, partially depressed down from the pocket it's supposed to sit in. The bearing I would think should move with that spring and nestle in the pinion guard pocket with the spring pressing upwards assuring the drag plate moves off the drag. Just want to make sure this is the case. In other lever drags that is how it works. Just want to make sure the reel works that way, before I start trying to take that bearing off. I see no keeper that would prevent the bearing from coming off the shaft. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Steve