Post questions about this reel in this thread
Quote from: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 02:03:16 AM
Post questions about this reel in this thread
How's this different from this section ???
http://alantani.com/index.php?board=48.0
Quote from: DaBigOno on April 07, 2016, 03:08:00 AM
Quote from: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 02:03:16 AM
Post questions about this reel in this thread
How's this different from this section ???
http://alantani.com/index.php?board=48.0
This whole folder is for posting pictures and questions about reels that you wish to determine year of manufacture. It's not about anything else here, unless it relates to that. We don't have any place to store this information together until now. It's not so much about fishing or mechanics as it is about collecting.
I'm hoping our experts will share their knowledge of Penn history here and help us less-knowledgeable learn the changes in each model through the years.
Sid
I don't see why it can't be moved to a more appropriate spot after it's all set up. That other section is a mix of different reels.
Quote from: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 03:18:39 AM
This whole folder is for posting pictures and questions about reels that you wish to determine year of manufacture. It's not about anything else here, unless it relates to that. We don't have any place to store this information together until now. It's not so much about fishing or mechanics as it is about collecting.
I'm hoping our experts will share their knowledge of Penn history here and help us less-knowledgeable learn the changes in each model through the years.
Oh, ok!
This should be sweet
Quote from: DaBigOno on April 07, 2016, 03:27:07 AM
Oh, ok! This should be sweet
That's the goal. We'll see how things turn out... :)
Sid
so whats the story on these Jigmasers with stickers???
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7289/10936655836_5163cd2d9a_z_d.jpg)
was Penn trying to save some $$$$
And note that it does not say "Jigmaster" but rather "Jig-master". Interesting....
Sid
Quote from: sdlehr on April 09, 2016, 01:29:24 AM
And note that it does not say "Jigmaster" but rather "Jig-master". Interesting....
Sid
I hope its not one of those "over-seas" knock-offs :'( :'(
Al, post up more pics.... please.... looks to have a bona fide numbered eccentric lever nut....
Sid
Quote from: DaBigOno on April 09, 2016, 01:33:02 AM
Quote from: sdlehr on April 09, 2016, 01:29:24 AM
And note that it does not say "Jigmaster" but rather "Jig-master". Interesting....
Sid
I hope its not one of those "over-seas" knock-offs :'( :'(
Well it says made in the USA :-\
Marc..
Good question, was wondering about that myself.
They don't seem to be as plentiful as the standard models, but as I recall the parts looked identical.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/unchained_colors/jigmaster%20sticker.jpg) (http://s25.photobucket.com/user/unchained_colors/media/jigmaster%20sticker.jpg.html)
Quote from: cbar45 on April 09, 2016, 01:41:33 AM
Good question, was wondering about that myself.
They don't seem to be as plentiful as the standard models, but as I recall the parts looked identical.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/unchained_colors/jigmaster%20sticker.jpg) (http://s25.photobucket.com/user/unchained_colors/media/jigmaster%20sticker.jpg.html)
I recognize this EBay seller. I had a negative experience with him. Check out his feedback rating. Beware....
Sid
Thanks for the warning Sid.
Yes, the photo is from eBay though I haven't dealt with that particular seller.
I thought it was a good example of the reels in question seen side-by-side.
Chad
Some of the older ones have stickers.I saw one for sale on line a few months ago with the sticker picked off, the seller claimed it was a super rare "trade jig-master". Tight Lines, Richie
Richie's on the mark. It was Penn's first year of the Jigga and they just used a sticker instead of the moulded logo ID.
Ray
The Jigmaster wasn't alone with a sticker on the head plate
Sid
Is that a 10 or 210 Sid?
Quote from: Keta on April 09, 2016, 02:09:43 PM
Is that a 10 or 210 Sid?
It's a 210, Lee, but it's not mine. I lifted the pic off of Ebay. And I have no idea if they made a LH version or how many they may have made, if that is your next question... ;D ;D ;D
Sid
Quote from: Superhook on April 09, 2016, 11:46:58 AM
Richie's on the mark. It was Penn's first year of the Jigga and they just used a sticker instead of the moulded logo ID.
Ray
Thanks for the info Ray. I'm glad to learn that I don't have a "knock-off" Jig-Master
Two questions:
1) What year did the Jigmaster go from posts to spacer bars?
2) What year did Penn handles in general go from torpedo to the rubber T handle?
Thanks for any input....Bill
QuoteTwo questions:
1) What year did the Jigmaster go from posts to spacer bars?
2) What year did Penn handles in general go from torpedo to the rubber T handle?
Thanks for any input....Bill
Hello Bill,
Those were good questions that sent me back through the catalogs. Here's what I found,
The solid spacer bar was introduced with the changing of the Penn Jigmaster over to the Jigmaster S in 1978. Penn stayed with the Jigmaster S until 1984. The Jigmaster S was not really a popular Jigmaster!
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Jigmaster/1978%20Catalog%20Jigmaster%20S%20introduction%20396%20x%201008_zps9xoefm3l.jpg)
In 1985 Penn changed back to the regular Jigmaster again. The 1985 return was also mixed with new Jigmaster models 505HS and the 501. What is interesting is the introduction of the HS model used cross bar that was solid, like the Jigmaster S, but, had a silkscreened print on it or maybe a sticker identifying it as the Jigmaster HS. The regular Jigmaster was still using the Jigmaster S solid cross bar.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Jigmaster/1985%20Catalog%20Jigmaster%20return%201123%20x%20388_zpsw4jmk1xh.jpg)
Then in 1986, Penn changed to the Cross Bars with the Lighting Holes added to them. This reduced their weight and, in my opinion, increased their eye appeal.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Jigmaster/1986%20Catalog%20Jigmaster%20Cross%20Bar%20change%201123%20x%20388_zpstm1fdwxx.jpg)
The Rubber handle knob was introduced in 1994.
Mike, thank you again for a glimpse into the dusty old pages of the Penn Catalogues....Bill
QuoteInsert Quote
Mike, thank you again for a glimpse into the dusty old pages of the Penn Catalogues....Bill
You are very welcome.
Alright, I have a question....
How am I going to find the correct Jigmaster for my newly aquired box, bag, extra spool, wrench, paperwork, etc. The old style , 2 piece non metal reinforced box has an list price of $17.50 and gives 2 seperate mono line capacities. The catalog is a no. 22.
I believe the correct reel would be a first year 500, ca. 1949.
Is this correct? & if so.. how do I recognize the correct reel?
Guessing the reel would have a plastic spool, part numbers, short, pancack-style 3 stack counterweight that has that thick plating, Model number stamped simply 'Penn Jigmaster no. 500', 4-posts, saltwater stand, tall headplate bushing ...
not sure what to look for here?
Plenty of Jigmaster from the 1960s and 1970s, but how do you recognize a first-year, pre1960 Jigmaster?
John
*Photo is from page 2 of catalog no. 22.
John, I'll defer to Mike on this, but in '49 I think you could have some or all non-numbered parts. I was watching that auction too, but held back on bidding.
Sid
QuoteHow am I going to find the correct Jigmaster for my newly aquired box, bag, extra spool, wrench, paperwork, etc. The old style , 2 piece non metal reinforced box has an list price of $17.50 and gives 2 seperate mono line capacities. The catalog is a no. 22.
I believe the correct reel would be a first year 500, ca. 1949.
Is this correct? & if so.. how do I recognize the correct reel?
Guessing the reel would have a plastic spool, part numbers, short, pancack-style 3 stack counterweight that has that thick plating, Model number stamped simply 'Penn Jigmaster no. 500', 4-posts, saltwater stand, tall headplate bushing ...
not sure what to look for here?
John,
You have the first year box and catalog. The Jigmaster 500 is introduced in 1959, which is what year the #22 catalog was issued in and technically the last year for the green two piece box. You already have the hard part. The spool in your two piece box should be maroon. The answer to your question is in this post. The Jigmaster with the sticker on it is a first year Jigmaster. It does not have to be, it could also be a Jigmaster with a molded in logo. It should be a maroon reel with another plastic spool like the spare one you have in the box. The reel should have a white handle knob,; but, that may vary to green or amber or whatever the legendary handle lady was in the mood for or had extra material on hand for.. Handle knob colors do give a clue to vintage; but, is not an absolute date code.
Another very interesting piece of collector history for the 1959 model is the metal spool version of the Jigmaster. If you look at the catalog page, which you posted, you can see that the Jigmaster 500M is not I the catalog. It simply tells that you can order a metal spool for the Jigmaster if you want one. The truth of it is that a very limited number of Jigmaster 500M models were released in two piece, green boxes in 1959. They are probably the most difficult Jigmaster boxes to find. The 1959 Jigmaster 500M box is smaller than the plain Jigmaster 500 box because the 500M did not come with a spare spool.
Here is a Jigmaster 500 for your 1959 box.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Jigmaster/DSC00009%20640%20x%20480_zpsn6qhb9vp.jpg)
Now John, if you really want a challenge, try to add this one to your collection. It is not impossible; but, this is a tough find.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Jigmaster/1959--500M---1%20-%20Copy%20641%20x%20496_zpsimtaaaio.jpg)
Thanks Mike!
Now I have a mission.
I always wanted a first year Jigmaster package to go with my other first year Penns. Now I know what to look for.
Interesting about the metal spool version. I was thinking, I had read somewhere there was a first year Jigmaster with a metal spool, but my first year box clearly shows that it had a lightweight plastic spool, and came with an identical spare in its own box.
Now another question...
When did Penn first produce the Jigmaster with black sideplates?
Thanks again for enlightening us!
John
QuoteWhen did Penn first produce the Jigmaster with black sideplates?
I believe the 1985 high speed Jigmaster is the first black plated version.
When did the aluminum spool get introduced?
Since the photobucket pictures are gone from this thread, can someone please tell me which box is correct for a first year Jigmaster 500?. Ive seen two styles, one with the surf fisherman and one with the boat fisherman. Both priced at $17.50
The one I have is the surf fisherman with a 1st year jigmaster with the sticker
QuoteSince the photobucket pictures are gone from this thread, can someone please tell me which box is correct for a first year Jigmaster 500?. Ive seen two styles, one with the surf fisherman and one with the boat fisherman. Both priced at $17.50
I have never seen a Jigmaster with the boat scene. That is a 1957 box and the Jigmaster was not introduced until 1959. But I guess they could be some out there. I have only seen two boxes for the first year Jigmaster. The 500 and the 500M.
The 500M was only offered with one spool. That brought the price of the 500M a bit lower.
Mike thanks for that info. Here is my Jigmaster 500 box with boat scene. I also have one with the fisherman scene and always thought the fisherman scene pre-dated the boat scene.
Hi Chris, that box and reel looks like there in pretty good condition too.
Nice score.
Col
Interesting that even the plastic spool boxes say "For use with monofilament".
Quote from: nelz on December 12, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
Interesting that even the plastic spool boxes say "For use with monofilament".
I think in those early days of mono use they hadn't yet discovered how to implode a plastic spool.8)
QuoteHere is my Jigmaster 500 box with boat scene. I also have one with the fisherman scene and always thought the fisherman scene pre-dated the boat scene.
This is the only one I have seen. do not have answers for why this exists. Catalog introduction of the Jigmaster is 1959. The boat scene on Penn boxes started in 1957, so I guess that printed scene is also being used for a few years. It is odd to see it on a jigmaster box.
A "rare" find for Chris?
I'd sure like to know if anyone has another one.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on December 12, 2018, 06:41:53 PM
QuoteHere is my Jigmaster 500 box with boat scene. I also have one with the fisherman scene and always thought the fisherman scene pre-dated the boat scene.
This is the only one I have seen. do not have answers for why this exists. Catalog introduction of the Jigmaster is 1959. The boat scene on Penn boxes started in 1957, so I guess that printed scene is also being used for a few years. It is odd to see it on a jigmaster box.
But being a first year Jigmaster this is making sense, it was a limited box at the very beginning of the introduction of the Jigmaster that was quickly redesigned and replaced. Believable. Stranger things have happened.
So Im still confused about one thing. The boat scene came out in 1957. Did it continue thru 1959? Was it used for all model Penns? Im wondering how all the other Jigmaster boxes have Surf Fisherman if he was replaced by the boat fisherman in 1957. Unless the boat scene was only used for certain models and the surf fisherman scene existed at the same time.
Looks like your label is an oddball of the first year version
Quote from: 1badf350 on January 21, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
So Im still confused about one thing. The boat scene came out in 1957. Did it continue thru 1959? Was it used for all model Penns? Im wondering how all the other Jigmaster boxes have Surf Fisherman if he was replaced by the boat fisherman in 1957. Unless the boat scene was only used for certain models and the surf fisherman scene existed at the same time.
Following this with interest ....
Regards
AC49
QuoteSo Im still confused about one thing. The boat scene came out in 1957. Did it continue thru 1959? Was it used for all model Penns? Im wondering how all the other Jigmaster boxes have Surf Fisherman if he was replaced by the boat fisherman in 1957. Unless the boat scene was only used for certain models and the surf fisherman scene existed at the same time.
The Jigmaster was not introduced until 1959, so the boat scene is unusual for a Jigmaster. But the early 1959 Jigmaster technically does not exist. It was not a catalog offering until 1960, if I remember right. The boat scene I have seen on mostly high end Penn reels like the Senators but I am sure Penn spread it around, so saying it is only used for one type of reel would not be correct. Penn never made anything that easy.
To bad they didn't put LH in the logo like the good old days. The left hand jigmaster is fairly uncommon, especially one with the factory sticker intact
The LH sticker wasn't made to last beyond first use
Wow, 2 of them !
Now that's just plain greedy ;D
Very nice finds..........
Col
Aside from the sticker, it looks exactly like a righty. What makes it a lefty? ???
Quote from: nelz on December 19, 2019, 05:01:30 PM
Aside from the sticker, it looks exactly like a righty. What makes it a lefty? ???
It winds #### backerds...LOL! :D Cool reels Ted! 8)
It's a left hand cop-out. If five o'clock was the best ergonomic handle position for a right hand reel then it should have been the best ergonomic handle position for a left hand reel as well. Instead of a lefty side plate they only made a lefty sleeve and star.
Ted, is the handle screw reverse thread?
-steve
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on December 19, 2019, 08:00:11 PM
It's a left hand cop-out. If five o'clock was the best ergonomic handle position for a right hand reel then it should have been the best ergonomic handle position for a left hand reel as well. Instead of a lefty side plate they only made a lefty sleeve and star.
Ted, is the handle screw reverse thread?
-steve
-steve
Hey Steve, good question. The star is reverse threads, but the handle nut is standard. I totally agree with your "5 o'clock" reasoning. Penn always used a righty plate on lefty reels, just different internals
The lefty star adjuster baffles me. I'm a "lefty loosy, righty tighty" guy, and would assume most left hand people are too, because not many things are made as "lefty tighty, righty loosy"
This one threw me a curve ball when I first saw it. I've never seen this box before. In the interest of full disclosure the reel is not left-handed. I will not rest until I find the correct one, or the proper conversion parts.
QuoteI will not rest until I find the correct one, or the proper conversion parts.
I know who has two of them.............<:O)
Oh damn I thought the ones ted posted were newer S versions. The lighting in the picture threw me off
Quote from: Maxed Out on December 19, 2019, 08:43:20 PM
The lefty star adjuster baffles me. I'm a "lefty loosy, righty tighty" guy, and would assume most left hand people are too, because not many things are made as "lefty tighty, righty loosy"
Yeah, good point. Never thought of it that way. Maybe since you're looking at the star from above instead of from the side, you still push the front of the star down to increase the drag.
-steve
I have a rubber handle model, in a navy blue box, spacer bar on one side, & two posts on the other, cheers Don.
I've acquired a few jigmasters to add to my albacore arsenal. I'm looking to convert them to Left Hand models, preferably with stainless internals. If anyone has any leads on these parts, I'd be interested.
I'm looking for a reel to put on a vintage fiberglass boat rod. Just from what I know from the fiberglass fly rod world, its most likely pre-60s. Unpainted, varnished wraps, Narmco butt, Aftco rollers. Maybe not a top-end rod, but not a cheap rod either. It's an old workhorse, showing at least two rather poor wrap repairs.
At any rate, I'm looking for a matching reel, so I can actually go fish the dang thing, what with it being an old rod of my dad's that has been gathering cobwebs for literally decades. Time to stick a ling or two with it.
My thinking is that a Jigmaster would be about what's right. They may post-date the rod by a little, but not much. Was wondering what to look for when it came to early-mid 1960's Jigmasters. And it was asked above, but I didn't see an answer - when did Penn start using aluminum spools? I'd kind of like to go with one, over plastic or chromed brass.
Scott
Jigmasters were introduced in 1959. Aftco also began in 1958. Narmco begain in the early 1950's. Do you have a photo for the rod?
If you are going to use it as a boat rod, then also consider the small Senators 1/0, 2/0 or 3/0 depending on line weight.
Look for one with a sticker on the sideplate instead of the logo on it, that would be a late 50's first run jigmaster. If it was me I think I would put a Penn 49 on it, you can get an aluminum spool for it too, might be a better reel for fishing deep for ling cod, easy to find an old on too