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Title: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 02:08:59 AM
Please post your questions about the chronological history of this reel, or your reel, in this post.
Title: Re: 259, 259L Long Beach Deluxe (Live Bait Caster)
Post by: basto on April 29, 2016, 10:34:18 PM
Hi Sid
I think the Long Beach 259 live bait caster and the Long Beach Deluxe are two very different reels.
The 259 came in one size and the Deluxe came in three sizes.
cheers
Basto
Title: Re: 259, 259L Long Beach Deluxe (Live Bait Caster)
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 01, 2016, 01:21:42 AM
QuoteI think the Long Beach 259 live bait caster and the Long Beach Deluxe are two very different reels.
The 259 came in one size and the Deluxe came in three sizes.
cheers
Basto

Basto, you are correct. There is no Deluxe in a Model 259 Live Bait Caster. The Long Beach Deluxe is a different animal.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Live%20Bait%20Cster--259/Figure%20182%20752%20x%20598_zps5bfukdrz.jpg)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Live%20Bait%20Cster--259/Figure%20183_zps7b5ssq6u.jpg)
Title: Re: 259, 259L Long Beach Deluxe (Live Bait Caster)
Post by: basto on May 01, 2016, 03:17:48 AM
Thank you for your reply. Can you tell me approximately when this one would have been made?
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/longbeach%20headplate_zpscfgraw1w.jpg)
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/long%20beach%20tailplatejpg_zps4uicxgun.jpg)
regards
Basto
Title: Re: 259, 259L Long Beach Deluxe (Live Bait Caster)
Post by: Tightlines667 on May 01, 2016, 03:52:12 AM
I would say late 1950s to early 1960s.. just kneejerk based on the chromed counterweight style (which actually looks to be early 1960s), and the fact that it's numbered (post ca. 1950).  The 259M (Metal spool) model was added to the lineup ca. 1950.  As you may know Mike's books ends in 1957, so I myself would have trouble telling you more detail.

According to Mike's book it was introduced with a lightweight spool in 1940, and discontinued in 1942, when it did not reappear in the catalogs until 1949.  Penn parts lists years of manufacture as early 1940s-late 1950s. 

Maybe Mike can fill in more details.
Title: Re: 259, 259L Long Beach Deluxe (Live Bait Caster)
Post by: basto on May 01, 2016, 08:30:16 AM
Thanks for the info. The reason I asked was the seller advertised it as from the seventies, but when I saw the tail plate I was doubtful of that age.
Any how, I bought it and am looking forward to it`s arrival.
cheers
Basto
Title: Re: 259, 259L Long Beach Deluxe (Live Bait Caster)
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 01, 2016, 02:17:54 PM
The 259 has some quirky history flow. It is an old reel that goes back into the pre-war era. According to the catalogs, it is discontinued in 1958. Since this reel is dimensionally a Jigmaster 500 and the Jigmaster is introduced in 1959, I have always felt Penn removed the Live Bait Caster from the 1959 catalog purposely, so as not to compete with the "New Kid on the Block", the Jigmaster 500. I do have one picture of a Penn Live Bait Caster in a 1960's style Blue Flip Top Box with the 259 printed box end. According to the catalog history flow, that box should not exist. So saying exactly when the Live Bait Caster was no longer marketed is not a sure thing.

I can say, that the Live Bait Caster never made it to the 1970's.

This reel is one of my favorites. I have it mounted into two Neptuna cradle rigs, that were intended. by Neptuna, for Jigmasters (one of them I fish with) and I still fish with a top mount Live Bait Caster. They are a bit slower on the retrieve than a Jigmaster (which I like because of the extra torque) and the frame is stronger. I feel this is one of Penn's greatest reels and does not get the credit for that.
Title: Re: 259, 259L Long Beach Deluxe (Live Bait Caster)
Post by: sdlehr on May 01, 2016, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: basto on April 29, 2016, 10:34:18 PM
Hi Sid
I think the Long Beach 259 live bait caster and the Long Beach Deluxe are two very different reels.
The 259 came in one size and the Deluxe came in three sizes.
cheers
Basto
Thanks, Basto. I've corrected the heading. I started setting up headings with info from Scott's website. They don't classify this reel properly. Thanks for helping make this more precise.

Sid
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: basto on May 02, 2016, 12:10:01 AM
Hi Sid
Glad to help.
Basto
Title: Re: 259, 259L Long Beach Deluxe (Live Bait Caster)
Post by: basto on May 02, 2016, 12:40:32 AM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on May 01, 2016, 02:17:54 PM
The 259 has some quirky history flow. It is an old reel that goes back into the pre-war era. According to the catalogs, it is discontinued in 1958. Since this reel is dimensionally a Jigmaster 500 and the Jigmaster is introduced in 1959, I have always felt Penn removed the Live Bait Caster from the 1959 catalog purposely, so as not to compete with the "New Kid on the Block", the Jigmaster 500. I do have one picture of a Penn Live Bait Caster in a 1960's style Blue Flip Top Box with the 259 printed box end. According to the catalog history flow, that box should not exist. So saying exactly when the Live Bait Caster was no longer marketed is not a sure thing.

I can say, that the Live Bait Caster never made it to the 1970's.

This reel is one of my favorites. I have it mounted into two Neptuna cradle rigs, that were intended. by Neptuna, for Jigmasters (one of them I fish with) and I still fish with a top mount Live Bait Caster. They are a bit slower on the retrieve than a Jigmaster (which I like because of the extra torque) and the frame is stronger. I feel this is one of Penn's greatest reels and does not get the credit for that.


Thank you for this information. I too admire this reel and would also like to acquire the other reel in question, the Long Beach deluxe, which I suspect is even a little stronger than the 259.
All the best
Basto
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Aiala on May 02, 2016, 01:31:07 AM
I love this reel, too! Here's mine, dressed up with bars instead of posts and a red anniversary spool:

(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/P1000724_zps61p7ht9y.jpg)

Sweeeeeeeeet!   :D

~A~
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Bryan Young on May 02, 2016, 01:51:50 AM
Here's mine. Slightly modified.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: basto on May 02, 2016, 03:57:47 AM
Hi Ailia and Bryan
I can certainly see the relationship to the Jigmasters here.
Basto
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 02, 2016, 04:56:53 AM
QuoteInsert Quote

I love this reel, too! Here's mine, dressed up with bars instead of posts and a red anniversary spool

Aiala, that is the prettiest Model 259 I have ever seen.

QuoteInsert Quote

Here's mine. Slightly modified.

Bryan, I never saw one narrowed; but, why not. The 501 parts are a perfect mod. I may do that myself some time I the future.

If Penn takes notice of all these Live Bait Caster mods, there may be a revival of this model!
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: twotone on May 02, 2016, 06:00:42 AM
I took Bryan's lead with his 99 SilverBeach mod, and now I have another build! Whether its Bryan's or Aiala. Maybe both!
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Bryan Young on May 02, 2016, 12:43:13 PM
This is the background of my build.

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9874.0

I since changed to a red spool. I built an exact reel in lefty for my son except his spool is new and mine is faded pink now.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 02, 2016, 01:21:46 PM
The catalog cutout I posted on page one of this thread is right out of the 1940 Penn Catalog #8. This reel is a all steel gear, 3 to 1 ratio reel in its 1940 build style from Penn. I find most Pennheads have not realized the potential of the Live Bait Cast, except for Bryan and Aiala and understandably so. The Model 259 was technically put out of production in 1958 to make room for the Jigmaster 500. Everything about the Jigmaster 500 mirrors the Live Bait Caster. They both use the same stand, spool and cross bars. Their side plates are the same diameter with the same hole pattern.

Penn placed the Model 259 Live Bait Caster in the Long Beach family of reels; but, I really believe it belongs in the Senator family. It is just like a Wide Model 110 aka 1/0 built a little faster than the slow 1/0.

There is one fact that I find interesting about the Model 259. The only parts on a Live Bait Caster that carry a Model 259 Part Number are the head and tail plate. All other parts are borrowed from other Penn models. This reel is made to be customized.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: basto on May 02, 2016, 11:29:55 PM
If this reel belongs in the Senator family, then I guess the Long beach deluxe might also, with it`s double rings and 6 screw stand.
Forgive me if I digress, but had to mention the schematic I have for my 3/0 Senators shows a 4 screw stand.
The two 3/0 Senators I have both have 6 screw stands.
regards
Basto
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Penn Chronology on May 03, 2016, 05:15:52 AM
QuoteIf this reel belongs in the Senator family, then I guess the Long beach deluxe might also, with it`s double rings and 6 screw stand

Go to the Long Beach Deluxe, Model DL60 thread for some info on the relationship between the Long Beach Deluxe models and the Senators.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: basto on May 03, 2016, 07:30:04 AM
Thank you Michael. I am learning all the time.
regards
Basto
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: basto on May 09, 2016, 11:58:25 PM
My 259 arrived yesterday and I opened it up last night to find a leaf spring that fell out on opening.
The parts diagram that I have shows a coil dog spring and a different looking dog to mine.


Very happy with the reel. It is showing signs of it`s age on the outside, but is very straight and tight and operates very smoothly.
It is the first Penn for me with a stippled head plate and the tail plate is beautiful.They were the main influences in me buying this reel.
It has leather drag washers and steel gears and all inside is in great condition.
Thanks
Basto
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Bryan Young on May 10, 2016, 03:37:20 AM
Thanks for the history of the 259. This was my very first casting reel for ulua fishing and caught a few tasty fish.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: basto on May 10, 2016, 04:32:04 AM
Hi Bryan
Yes, I like this reel a lot. A couple of things on it I haven`t seen before are a recessed area under the drag star wheel, presumably to adjust spacing?
and a large letter B stamped under the handle arm and of course the leaf dog spring.
I will post some pics soon. I was going to put 500 spacer bars and an alloy spool on it, but I think I will just put a new stand on it and keep it stock now.
I have plenty of reels to fish.
cheers
Basto
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: sdlehr on May 11, 2016, 08:50:48 PM
Quote from: basto on May 10, 2016, 04:32:04 AM
a recessed area under the drag star wheel, presumably to adjust spacing?
Basto
Basto, that recessed area is to clear the metal collar in the head plate; I guess there wasn't room for a wider spacing sleeve... I don't remember which, but a few of my reels have this.

Sid
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: basto on May 11, 2016, 11:41:23 PM
Thank you Sid. I`m learning all the time.
Basto
Title: Re: 259, 259L Long Beach Deluxe (Live Bait Caster)
Post by: mizmo67 on May 12, 2016, 04:40:00 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on May 01, 2016, 01:21:42 AM
QuoteI think the Long Beach 259 live bait caster and the Long Beach Deluxe are two very different reels.
The 259 came in one size and the Deluxe came in three sizes.
cheers
Basto

Basto, you are correct. There is no Deluxe in a Model 259 Live Bait Caster. The Long Beach Deluxe is a different animal.


I've added yet another postit note to update the specs for the 259 and separate out the Deluxe.
Never ends, lol.
My project pile, not counting two monitor screens full of digital post its, is 6" thick.
Title: Re: 259, 259L Long Beach Deluxe (Live Bait Caster)
Post by: basto on May 13, 2016, 02:44:33 AM
Quote from: mizmo67 on May 12, 2016, 04:40:00 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on May 01, 2016, 01:21:42 AM
QuoteI think the Long Beach 259 live bait caster and the Long Beach Deluxe are two very different reels.
The 259 came in one size and the Deluxe came in three sizes.
cheers
Basto

Basto, you are correct. There is no Deluxe in a Model 259 Live Bait Caster. The Long Beach Deluxe is a different animal.


Thank you very much for your efforts. You are greatly appreciated! and thanks for always getting my parts to Australia so promptly.

I've added yet another postit note to update the specs for the 259 and separate out the Deluxe.
Never ends, lol.
My project pile, not counting two monitor screens full of digital post its, is 6" thick.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: basto on May 14, 2016, 05:01:27 AM
OK, I changed my mind about the spacer bars. All stock except for the bars.
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1040100_zpshbeeb51i.jpg)
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/259%20tail_zpskhl9q4ad.jpg)
I am very happy with it.
Title: Re: 259, 259L Long Beach Deluxe (Live Bait Caster)
Post by: sdlehr on May 14, 2016, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: mizmo67 on May 12, 2016, 04:40:00 PM
I've added yet another postit note to update the specs for the 259 and separate out the Deluxe.
Never ends, lol.
My project pile, not counting two monitor screens full of digital post its, is 6" thick.
Thanks for helping us out, Mo!

Quote from: basto on May 14, 2016, 05:01:27 AM
I am very happy with it.
As you should be! Nicely done! I recently purchased one I'm going to spool up and take with me on the pier.

Sid
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: basto on May 14, 2016, 08:37:32 PM
I fished off piers when I was a kid. I wish I had a pier closer by now. Great fun talking to other anglers and comparing notes.
good fishing
Basto
Title: 259 eccentric spring
Post by: basto on August 16, 2016, 04:51:50 AM
Hi Guys
Just wondering about the colour of the eccentric spring in my 259 long beach.
I think this is the only eccentric spring I have seen that is not a stainless steel colour.???
It looks like copper.
Basto

(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/259%20eccentric_zpslwq2ijma.jpg)
Title: Re: 259 eccentric spring
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 16, 2016, 05:22:29 AM
QuoteJust wondering about the colour of the eccentric spring in my 259 long beach.
I think this is the only eccentric spring I have seen that is not a stainless steel colour.Huh?
It looks like copper.
Basto

I have done many 259's and not noticed any strange colored springs. Maybe a lube or grease that was used in the past has left a deposit on the spring causing it to discolor or the grease itself is coloring the metal.
Title: Re: 259 eccentric spring
Post by: Tightlines667 on August 16, 2016, 05:58:07 AM
I have noticed these brass colored springs, brassy looking dog springs, and German silver colored ones in various older reel models (SeaGate, Silverbeach, BridgeCity, etc..)  It may be discoloring due to time, oxidation, or reaction with products, but these differences really appear to be different metal alloys to me.  The earlier metal drag washers sometimes appear to be a lighter colored bronze alloy.

I did some online reading on the history, and practice uses of metal alloys when I first started noticing differences.  Can't really remember everything I read, but the gist of it was.. just like plastics.. there was an evolution in metal alloys, and their associated production and manufacturering proceases throughout the century. 

It stands to reason that different blends were used for the same reel parts over time.  Marinized Bronze for instance, has several different acceptable alloys today, and overwent a change in blend over time.  Also, not all German Silver was the same alloy. 

What the exact differences are is another study altogether.  Just take a few shavings, and run it through a Mass Spectrophotometer, and you will have your answer.  I always thought it would be cool to have one of these machines in my garage someday ;)
Title: Re: 259 eccentric spring
Post by: basto on August 16, 2016, 06:18:09 AM
When I get a new/old  reel, I wash all metal parts in kerosene, then hot soapy water. This spring did not change at all after it`s wash.
It has since been given a light brush with blue grease after assembly though.
Thanks for your replies guys.
Basto
Title: Re: 259 eccentric spring
Post by: foakes on August 16, 2016, 07:04:59 AM
I have stripped down many Penns over the years -- batch clean, sort, organize -- sometimes parts are more useful than whole reels.

There are definitely older bronze colored springs.

Here are a few new old stock bronze 20s -- and a few used ones.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: 259 eccentric spring
Post by: basto on August 16, 2016, 09:49:11 PM
Hi Fred
Thanks for the photos. Much appreciated.
Basto
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: mo65 on September 13, 2016, 09:00:54 PM
Basto...your Live Bait Caster is a beauty!
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: basto on September 14, 2016, 12:45:44 AM
Thanks mo. You should see my new 180 I just posted.
Basto
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: thorhammer on September 14, 2016, 02:19:07 AM
Pretty! just got my first one a couple weeks back, and updated it a little bit. Shined up nicely.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 14, 2016, 02:06:46 PM
It is good to see a little revival of the Model 259. It is a very versatile reel that can be modified many ways or is perfectly competent in its original factory form.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: thorhammer on September 14, 2016, 03:58:53 PM
Yeah Mike, these jewels had somehow escaped my attention until recently, even with Bryan doing a nice write up on one a while back. I did swap out plastic spool but went with chrome spool  and pink Ande 30 to stay with an old-school look and still beef up capability, rather than aluminum spool. Also added shiny solid bars courtesy of Ted, graphite clamp and 24-66 oversize handle. Very pleased with result and will replace drags with Carbontex on my next Scott's order.


John
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Bryan Young on September 15, 2016, 04:30:35 AM
John, I do have a 5-stack drag kit for this reel if you want a fighting chance. Only saying 🙄🤔😬
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: George4741 on September 17, 2016, 03:56:12 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on May 02, 2016, 01:21:46 PM

Penn placed the Model 259 Live Bait Caster in the Long Beach family of reels; but, I really believe it belongs in the Senator family. It is just like a Wide Model 110 aka 1/0 built a little faster than the slow 1/0.

There is one fact that I find interesting about the Model 259. The only parts on a Live Bait Caster that carry a Model 259 Part Number are the head and tail plate. All other parts are borrowed from other Penn models. This reel is made to be customized.

Michael, I thought the 259 and 1/0 have the same 3:1 retrieval.  Penn Parts claims both reels use the same main and pinion gears and bridge.  I don't have a 1/0 to compare mine with so I can't confirm or deny.

Yep, the 259 is made to be customized and I'll play along, too.  Here is a photo of a 99 width 259 with a Tiburon frame and spool.
(http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q523/rumbum01/P1010524_zps10c6da6f.jpg)

Not many folks will ever see a 100 Yard 259.
(http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q523/rumbum01/P1010740_zpsmnfuhi49.jpg)

Here it is compared to a Jigmaster 501.  You can see how the 259 is noticeably narrower than the 501.
(http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q523/rumbum01/P1010739_zpsa2dxd9xl.jpg)

I did this by installing the pillars, spool, and stand from a Long Beach 61.  Now, what I've done is sacrilegious to all of those who hold the Long Beach near and dear.  Don't worry, this was just an exercise and I've returned both reels to their original configuration.  BTW I consider the Long Beach 61 an extremely narrow 259 without the beauty rings, as they are the same diameter and share the same bridge and gears.

Enjoy,
George
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Bryan Young on September 17, 2016, 06:46:26 PM
That 61 259 would be a perfect rock cod/salmon reel in our parts. Nice work.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 17, 2016, 11:48:55 PM
QuoteMichael, I thought the 259 and 1/0 have the same 3:1 retrieval.  Penn Parts claims both reels use the same main and pinion gears and bridge.  I don't have a 1/0 to compare mine with so I can't confirm or deny.

You are correct. They are the same. I must have been thinking of another reel, or possibly not thinking at all.........................<:O(
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: George4741 on September 18, 2016, 08:10:24 PM
Michael, when it comes to Penn, you have forgotten more than I'll ever know, and I don't think you have forgotten much, either.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: mo65 on September 18, 2016, 08:29:29 PM
Quote from: George4741 on September 18, 2016, 08:10:24 PM
Michael, when it comes to Penn, you have forgotten more than I'll ever know, and I don't think you have forgotten much, either.

X2...Mike's knowledge and how he shares it is very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 19, 2016, 02:37:22 AM
Thanks guys! :)
Title: Re: 259 eccentric spring
Post by: mo65 on January 25, 2017, 10:23:18 PM
   Hey Basto...I'm working on my 259 now and sure enough...the eccentric spring looks coppery! 8)
Title: Re: 259 eccentric spring
Post by: Bill B on January 26, 2017, 04:26:46 AM
darn it....another thing I have to be on the look out for...... ;)    Question:  Does Penn ever stop teaching us new stuff?!?!?   Bill
Title: Re: 259 eccentric spring
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 26, 2017, 06:02:50 AM
Quotedarn it....another thing I have to be on the look out for...... Wink    Question:  Does Penn ever stop teaching us new stuff?!?!?   Bill

No, never. As soon as you think you have all the answers, that is when you are in trouble. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of reels produced over a period of about 80 years. How could we possibly ever know it all? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: 259 eccentric spring
Post by: oc1 on January 26, 2017, 06:56:11 AM
A weird thing about stainless is that it will corrode if there is salt and moisture present but not oxygen.  The oxygen is necessary to form a thin protective layer of chrome oxide.  The corrosion is usually just a thin layer of copper/brown rust, but can worsen and start galling if given enough time  If you put a coating like lacquer or paint on stainless it can actually cause it to stain/rust at the edges where moisture can creep under the coating while blocking the oxygen.  

I don't know if what you're seeing is the result of the grease coating excluding oxygen or if the alloy needed for springs back then had less corrosion resistance than what we're used to.  You can make a pretty good spring using a piece of hard stainless leader wire of the right diameter.  There were a lot of advances in stainless alloys in the late 1920's and 1930's.
-steve
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Tightlines667 on June 27, 2017, 06:23:29 AM
That makes total sense.  The areas where saltwater collects and can not dry tend to develop light rust spots. 

Now my all aluminum ZF hurst 63a transmission is built of non-coated corrosion-resistant aluminum.  It was in poor condition with alot of powdery coreosion and some minir pitting.  I decided to wire brush it to bare aluminum, while I qas refinishing my engine.  I immediately painted it with Yanmar paint, after being advised to do so.  It looked like a new engine and tranie when I was done.  6 weeks later and there are spots of salt buildup on the trannie, and some signs of rust in a few spots (like on sharper edges) on the engine.   I was just going to degrease both and touch them up a bit again.  Hopefully I am using tue right approach here?

I have never seen salt buildup like tuat in 1 spot.. kinda curious looking.

John
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: mo65 on October 29, 2017, 02:43:44 PM
   I picked up a left handed 259 a few days ago. At first I though something was wrong when I cranked the handle...hee hee...caught me off guard. Did they make a lot of these 259 lefties?
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Maxed Out on October 29, 2017, 07:31:33 PM
Quote from: mo65 on October 29, 2017, 02:43:44 PM
   I picked up a left handed 259 a few days ago. At first I though something was wrong when I cranked the handle...hee hee...caught me off guard. Did they make a lot of these 259 lefties?

Lefties are uncommon for any model Penn. Very nice bonus !!!

Ted
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Bryan Young on October 29, 2017, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: mo65 on October 29, 2017, 02:43:44 PM
   I picked up a left handed 259 a few days ago. At first I though something was wrong when I cranked the handle...hee hee...caught me off guard. Did they make a lot of these 259 lefties?

WOW, I have never heard of a lefty 259. 
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Alto Mare on October 29, 2017, 10:09:08 PM
Great find Mo. I just remembered I never posted mine here.
Here is my 259
(https://i.imgur.com/dtzBx3N.jpg)

Sal
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on October 29, 2017, 11:24:04 PM
Awesome, Sal. Looks real beefy. Did you do anything to the gears/bridge plate/drag sys. etc. to beef-up the inside?

Gfish
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Alto Mare on October 30, 2017, 12:08:43 AM
Gregg, it has the SS gear sleeve, steel gears, 5+1 drags from Bri-Bri and double dogs.
A $40 reel when I purchased it, turned into a $300 reel ;D

Sal

Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Penn Chronology on October 30, 2017, 06:09:22 AM
QuoteGregg, it has the SS gear sleeve, steel gears, 5+1 drags from Bri-Bri and double dogs.
A $40 reel when I purchased it, turned into a $300 reel Grin

Sal, you have created the most high tech and valuable Live Bait Caster in the history of Penn. These reels do not command much attention, you have changed that dramatically with your mods. Very impressive
.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on October 30, 2017, 06:11:32 AM
Cool. I wanna do the ss gear sleeve upgrade on mine, but it's got the 3-99 bridge plate with the thinner diameter stud(0.188"). Any suggestions to get a newer plate witha 0.223" stud, where the bridge plate holes will line up with the side-plate screw holes?
Gfish
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Alto Mare on October 30, 2017, 10:25:43 AM
Quote from: Gfish on October 30, 2017, 06:11:32 AM
Cool. I wanna do the ss gear sleeve upgrade on mine, but it's got the 3-99 bridge plate with the thinner diameter stud(0.188"). Any suggestions to get a newer plate witha 0.223" stud, where the bridge plate holes will line up with the side-plate screw holes?
Gfish
Your best bet is to purchase a complete reel, I doubt you'll find the 3-99 for sale...we've been talking too much here :).
You couldn't go wrong taking a chance on another to see if it has the correct bridge post, $40 is well worth it taking a chance on that reel.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on October 30, 2017, 06:09:22 AM
QuoteGregg, it has the SS gear sleeve, steel gears, 5+1 drags from Bri-Bri and double dogs.
A $40 reel when I purchased it, turned into a $300 reel Grin

Sal, you have created the most high tech and valuable Live Bait Caster in the history of Penn. These reels do not command much attention, you have changed that dramatically with your mods. Very impressive
.
Hello Mike, I wish I was the creator of these ;D, we all know who that man was.
We take the credit for putting custom parts in a reel, but the credit should go to the guys that make those parts for us and the very few that give suggestions.
Anyone of us could assemble a reel.
Oh, maybe just a little credit should go to the man that started the double dogs on these, but most goes to our machinists, they are the ones. :)

Keep up your excellent work that we all enjoy here, Mike.

Best,

Sal
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on October 31, 2017, 03:58:38 AM
Quote from Sal's last post reply:... "we've been talking too much here 🙂"  ??? Ah, ok. As young people say: "whatever".
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Alto Mare on October 31, 2017, 05:34:11 AM
Quote from: Gfish on October 31, 2017, 03:58:38 AM
Quote from Sal's last post reply:... "we've been talking too much here 🙂"  ??? Ah, ok. As young people say: "whatever".

Meaning:
Whenever we discuss something here, it could be parts or reels, they will be usually gone before we get a chance to purchase them for ourselves.
We have a lot of traffic here, if a suggestion makes sense to you, it will make sense to a few others as well, not necessarily a member.
I was not being  disrespectful .

Not long ago I was looking for a 722z in great condition, there were non to be found on line. Soon after I mentioned I was looking for one, they started coming out of the woodwork, with a price tag of over $150.

I do not have a 3-49 bridge with the correct post, if I did it would have been on its way to you.

Best,

Sal
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 31, 2017, 05:37:58 AM
I noticed that too Sal.
I've been nabbing a few spinners myself. There seem to be a lot available right now.
I'm not saying which ones. ;)
With three million hits, we are not alone.
As much as we try to help, some try to capitalize on our interests.
It is a double edged sword. ::)
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on October 31, 2017, 07:06:57 AM
Ok, ok. I get it now. Tough for me ta interpret the "read between the lines" meaning of others statements. Monetary predators are everywhere. Mabey I can geta old Jiggy plate to fit if I do some modifications. Thanks for the "heads up".

Got a little" Fredo Corleone"(Godfather Part ll) about that one, 'cause I didn't understand how outsiders can mess with the family(Ohana)business. Fredo, not long for this world, after Micheal confronts him about the Vegas "thing": "He told me there was something in it for me. I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says...like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect"!
Gfish
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Decker on October 31, 2017, 12:24:31 PM
Quote from: Gfish on October 30, 2017, 06:11:32 AM
Cool. I wanna do the ss gear sleeve upgrade on mine, but it's got the 3-99 bridge plate with the thinner diameter stud(0.188"). Any suggestions to get a newer plate witha 0.223" stud, where the bridge plate holes will line up with the side-plate screw holes?
Gfish

Greg, I PMed you because I may have something...
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on October 31, 2017, 02:45:35 PM
Thanks Joe. Here's a picture that's the best I can do 'till I get time to take a larger I.D. Jiggy plate out of the reel. Mabey you can see the diffrence in the I.D.'s of the gear sleeve's. The b. plate's a 3-99 w/ the skinny sleeve(won't fit the ss gear sleeve-2nd gen.). Note the green felt washer at the base, never seen that before. The sleeve on the left is the one that'll fit the thin one. Really like this reel, but I'd like to strengthen it, mainly with the ss-2nd gen. Sleeve, thena 5+1 drag stack.
Gfish
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Decker on October 31, 2017, 03:07:55 PM
Found this post on the subject:  http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=19995.0

I have a couple of those bridges, and will try to identify them. 
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: mo65 on October 31, 2017, 04:22:30 PM
   I think the skinny sleeves are from the early 259s. You'll better your chances for a "regular" bridge/sleeve by buying 259s with numbered parts. After buying several of these reels...I can say it's basically a roll of the dice as to which bridge/sleeve you''ll get. 8)
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Rancanfish on October 31, 2017, 08:39:50 PM
I had the same issue, a member here bailed me out with one of his stash.  

I was lucky, sometimes you have to wait awhile.

Thanks 'J'.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 01, 2017, 05:41:38 AM
QuoteHello Mike, I wish I was the creator of these Grin, we all know who that man was.
We take the credit for putting custom parts in a reel, but the credit should go to the guys that make those parts for us and the very few that give suggestions.
Anyone of us could assemble a reel.
Oh, maybe just a little credit should go to the man that started the double dogs on these, but most goes to our machinists, they are the ones. Smiley

Keep up your excellent work that we all enjoy here, Mike.

Best,

Sal

I agree Sal. The creation of the special reels are made possible by the engineering and skilled machine work of the special few people that dedicate their time to these special parts.

That being said, there is also a certain amount of creativity in choosing the right parts to create an improved reel. Putting the right combination of parts to enhance the aspects of a reel for your own particular purpose is not as easy as simply assembling a reel from parts.

Basically, it is the combined skills of the group that winds up with an improved end product. In my humble opinion......<:O)
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Decker on November 01, 2017, 12:16:32 PM
Greg, I think we're in luck.  I have this from a 99 Silverbeach.  I couldn't get the pin out, but I'm 90% sure this is the bridge you're looking for.  PM me your address please.   I've gotten a lot of free help lately from members and need to pass it on  ;)

I have an old 259 and was thinking of doing the same...  and have another another of the same bridge for that, so you actually saved me the trouble of discovering the two different posts ;D    We'll have a small showcase here of customized frankensteined 259's 8)
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Rancanfish on November 01, 2017, 02:37:17 PM
That deserves an 'Attaboy' Joe!
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on November 01, 2017, 06:48:49 PM
Thanks Joe. "I never forget a favor from a friend":  P. Clemenza, Corleone Family Caporegime(lieutenant) after Vito Corleone hides guns for him( both men young and long before forming their own crime family). Man, there's alota wisdom in the Godfather franchise. PM sending.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on November 07, 2017, 06:38:18 AM
Got it Joe and it's the right one! Good guess. Attaboy!!!
So far I put in: a ss sleeve(98-505) 2nd gen.,right side of 1st pic.; a 30-113 stand(6 screws insteda only 4); a 5+1 drag stack;  13-500 pinion(jigmaster size for 3.5:1 ratio as per Sal's build on a diffrent thread); got ridda the plastic spool(29-250L) in favor of a Jiggy-29-250 metal one, and I added one post to strengthen the frame(total=5).  Hadta drill 4 new screw holes for the bigger stand(2 on each side) and 2 for the new post. Put it all together and it works as good as before I started messin with it. Got an unused screw hole to fill on each side plate, a double dog to add, and godda find a bigger handle(24-155=too small). More when I finish it.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Crow on November 07, 2017, 01:33:28 PM
Looks great !   How are you filling the "empty" screw holes ?
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Decker on November 07, 2017, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: Gfish on November 07, 2017, 06:38:18 AM
Got it Joe and it's the right one! Good guess. Attaboy!!!
So far its godda ss sleeve(98-505) right side of 1st pic., a 30-113 stand(6 screws insteda only 4), a 5+1 stack, a 13-500 pinion(jigmaster size for 3.5:1 ratio as per Sal's build), got ridda the plastic spool in favor of a Jiggy-29-250 metal one, and I added one post to strengthen the frame(total=5).  Hadta drill 4 new screw holes for the bigger stand and 2 for the new post. Put it all together and it works as good as before I started messin with it. Got an unused screw hole to fill on each side plate, a double dog to add, and godda find a bigger handle(24-155=too small). More when I finish it.

Glad the bridge worked out, Gregg.  The flies are great!  

Could you show some more detailed photos of the drilling you did for the stand, and the additional post?  

That 24-155 handle is sweet looking.   I'd trade you something for it.  

Would a 30-113 stand fit a 99 Silverbeach?  It also has six screws.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: mo65 on November 07, 2017, 02:33:27 PM
   She's coming together real nice Greg! 8)

Quote from: Decker on November 07, 2017, 02:11:13 PM
Would a 30-113 stand fit a 99 Silverbeach?  It also has six screws.

   Ya know...Ted and I talked about this on another thread and I completely forget the answer...sheesh...help Ted!
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Maxed Out on November 07, 2017, 07:13:37 PM
Quote from: mo65 on November 07, 2017, 02:33:27 PM
  She's coming together real nice Greg! 8)

Quote from: Decker on November 07, 2017, 02:11:13 PM
Would a 30-113 stand fit a 99 Silverbeach?  It also has six screws.

  Ya know...Ted and I talked about this on another thread and I completely forget the answer...sheesh...help Ted!

Hey Decker & Mo,

 The answer is no, a 113 seat will not fit a 99 reel. The screw holes do not line up....

 ......the 112 seat will fit a 99 reel
.....a 112 seat and jigmaster 500 spool will widen your silver beach 99.


 Here is a 112 3/0 and a silver beach 99 with a 112 seat and jigmaster 500 spool

 Ted
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on November 07, 2017, 08:15:25 PM
Yeah, what Ted said. Unless you wanna do some drillin, and I don't recommend it, unless you godda drill press ana good jig to hold the parts & line up everything. I hadda do some key-hole filing on a couple a my holes and it's stilla tight assembly/fit.
R= the existing(regular) factory holes, N= the new holes I drilled. You may be able to tell, the reel's been turned on it's axis(down in the front) and the top(extra) post put forward slightly of what woulda been the centerline, for my needs. So, for the new stand, I hada drill 2 holes on each side plate, used one existing hole on each side plate, and  need ta fill one existing unused hole one each side plate. To plug the holes, I'm Thinkin epoxy for the bakelite plate, witha cut-off screw glued to the outside ring. Since there'll be no saltwater ingress to the inner chamber, leave it like that. What's a good metal to metal glue?

Didn't wanna spend the money on a good aftermarket frame/stand/spool, which woulda been eaiser/better/stronger, so I could spend it on another project. Love these older Penns. Is it considered desecration---drillin holes and addin stuff to the outside?
Joe the handle/knob is yours. No needa trade. Nice knob, huh, and remember, as Freud'd probably say: "sometimes a knob is only a knob".
Gfish
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Maxed Out on November 07, 2017, 10:55:57 PM
.....I was able to narrow a 113 4/0 with just a slight bit of engineering, but you wouldn't know by looking. Best part is it's still 100% factory original parts......it's now a 99 width 4/0  ;D  ;D

  Ted
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: RowdyW on November 08, 2017, 12:58:50 AM
Ted, isn't that with LB 66 parts?             Rudy
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: thorhammer on November 08, 2017, 01:38:42 AM
Quote from: Gfish on November 07, 2017, 08:15:25 PM
Yeah, what Ted said. Unless you wanna do some drillin and I don't recommend it, unless you godda drill press ana good jig to hold & line up everything. I hadda do some key-hole filing on a couple a my holes and it's stilla tight assembly/fit.
R= the existing(regular) factory holes, N= the new holes I drilled. You may be able to tell, the reel's been turned on it's axis(down in the front) and the top(extra) post put forward slightly of what woulda been the centerline, for my needs. So for the new stand, I hada drill 2 holes, used one existing hole, and  need ta fill one existing unused hole. Thinkin epoxy for the bakelite plate, witha cut off screw glued to the outside ring. Since there'll be no saltwater ingress to the inner chamber, leave it like that. What's a good metal to metal glue?

Didn't wanna spend the money on a good aftermarket frame/stand/spool, which woulda been eaiser/better/stronger, so I could spend it on another project. Love these older Penns. Is it considered desecration---drillin holes and addin stuff to the outside?
Joe the handle/knob is yours. No needa trade. Nice knob, huh, and remember as Freud'd say: "sometimes a knob is only a knob.
Gfish
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Greg five minute epoxy should it
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Maxed Out on November 08, 2017, 02:09:39 AM
Quote from: RowdyW on November 08, 2017, 12:58:50 AM
Ted, isn't that with LB 66 parts?             Rudy

  The spool is a 66, but nothing else came from a 66
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: RowdyW on November 08, 2017, 02:29:16 AM
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 08, 2017, 02:09:39 AM
Quote from: RowdyW on November 08, 2017, 12:58:50 AM
Ted, isn't that with LB 66 parts?             Rudy

 The spool is a 66, but nothing else came from a 66
65 posts?.... same as 66.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Decker on November 08, 2017, 02:36:30 AM
Hey Greg, thanks for the details. Nice little project.  You're gonna give me that green handle?  Thanks, brother!! Do you need some bars?

Ted, thanks for the red-lettered schooling :o I promise to study my Penn parts cross-reference before posting another franken-reel question :P

My 259 should be next... Gotta come up with something original   ???
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on November 08, 2017, 06:40:37 AM
Quote from: Decker on November 08, 2017, 02:36:30 AM
Hey Greg, thanks for the details. Nice little project.  You're gonna give me that green handle? I think that one was turned by the knob lady that Ted is so fond of ::).  Thanks, brother!! Do you need some bars?

Ted, thanks for the red-lettered schooling :o I promise to study my Penn parts cross-reference before posting another franken-reel question :P

My 259 should be next... Gotta come up with something original  ???p

Handle/knob in the mail. I'mna keep the posts to keep it somewhat original lookin on the outside. It seems to weigh half again as much as it originally did, now with 5 posts and the bigger stand, a metal spool(vs the original plastic one), and should be a little more heavy when I get done. Heavy=good.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on November 08, 2017, 06:48:42 AM
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 07, 2017, 10:55:57 PM
.....I was able to narrow a 113 4/0 with just a slight bit of engineering, but you wouldn't know by looking. Best part is it's still 100% factory original parts......it's now a 99 width 4/0  ;D  ;D

  Ted

What's the stand size/part #?
Gfish
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on November 15, 2017, 08:54:07 PM
The "almost final" product. Including the d. dog(alternating) and the "A Squared" cast control bushing. Gotta stronger, heavier 259 Live Bait Caster that I feel more confident fishin with, usin up to about 15lbs. a drag.

Really surprised that every thing still works well after these mods.:milling the head plate fora 2nd dog; 6 new screw holes fora extra frame post & 3-screw 113-4/0 stand; ss 2nd gen. gear sleeve, 3-99 bridge plate with a fatter stud; 5+1 drag stack; the above mentioned bushing and a Pro Challenger EVA knob ona position-adjustable handle, the orgins of which I've forgotten. So I got a stronger framed, higher torque(3.5:1 vs 4:1 gear ratio) version of a Jig Master, with a smoother drag and more functional handle with very little back -play, AND BUILDIN IT WAS FUN!

So cool to be on this forum where smart/skilled people innovate and improve stuff, then I can come along and copy their creativity.
Gfish
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Crow on November 15, 2017, 09:00:02 PM
Good job ! It looks to be a good "weapon" !
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Decker on November 15, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
Quote from: Gfish on November 15, 2017, 08:54:07 PM
The "almost final" product. Including the d. dog(alternating) and the "A Squared" cast control bushing. Gotta stronger, heavier 259 Live Bait Caster that I feel more confident fishin with, usin up to about 15lbs. a drag.

Really surprised that every thing still works well after these mods.:milling the head plate fora 2nd dog; 6 new screw holes fora extra frame post & 3-screw 113-4/0 stand; ss 2nd gen. gear sleeve, 3-99 bridge plate with a fatter stud; 5+1 drag stack; the above mentioned bushing and a Pro Challenger EVA knob ona position-adjustable handle, the orgins of which I've forgotten. So I got a stronger framed, higher torque(3.5:1 vs 4:1 gear ratio) version of a Jig Master, with a smoother drag and more functional handle with very little back -play, AND BUILDIN IT WAS FUN!


Very nice, Gregg!   I learned a few things from your making of this reel.

Quote from: Gfish
So cool to be on this forum where smart/skilled people innovate and improve stuff, then I can come along and copy their creativity.
Gfish

I feel the same way. 
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: mo65 on November 16, 2017, 01:33:33 AM
   That's a fine lookin' job Gfish. Your 259 has to be rock solid with the 113H stand and the additional post. I bet the sound of the alternating dogs is sweet too! 8)
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Alto Mare on November 16, 2017, 02:49:26 AM
Good job on that reel Gregg!

Sal
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 16, 2017, 04:40:27 AM
Great work Gregg. ;)
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Decker on November 30, 2017, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: Gfish on November 08, 2017, 06:48:42 AM
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 07, 2017, 10:55:57 PM
.....I was able to narrow a 113 4/0 with just a slight bit of engineering, but you wouldn't know by looking. Best part is it's still 100% factory original parts......it's now a 99 width 4/0  ;D  ;D

 Ted

What's the stand size/part #?
Gfish

Greg,

I haven't verified this, but after thinking for a while, I'm pretty sure Ted used a 30-99 stand.   It's a bit obvious when he says, "99 width."  I think he was testing us. ::)  I've recently become fascinated with the 99 width reels, and I think my 259 creation is going to be that width.  To me it seems like the the "just right" width to height ratio -- golden mean.  

I've neglected to get your package in the mail, but will soon.

Cheers,

/Joe

Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: broadway on November 30, 2017, 08:50:03 PM
Greg,
   For the future I have found two ways to fill the screw holes... first, dremel off a couple of screw heads (same size as the others on the reel) leaving a little nib maybe a 1/16".  Next get some super glue or epoxy and put in hole (put tape on back side of plate to prevent glue from going through).  Lastly place the screw heads in the glue/epoxy making sure they're straight and voila.  Leaving the little nib on the screw helps in keeping the screw aligned when it rests in the glue.
The other is to use super stubby screws with a slightly larger diameter and screw them in the plate, but this way the screw heads won't be exactly the same, but you can get close.
Nice job hooking hat reel up.
Best,
Dom

Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on November 30, 2017, 09:42:03 PM
Quote from: Decker on November 30, 2017, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: Gfish on November 08, 2017, 06:48:42 AM
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 07, 2017, 10:55:57 PM
.....I was able to narrow a 113 4/0 with just a slight bit of engineering, but you wouldn't know by looking. Best part is it's still 100% factory original parts......it's now a 99 width 4/0  ;D  ;D

 Ted

What's the stand size/part #?
Gfish

Greg,

I haven't verified this, but after thinking for a while, I'm pretty sure Ted used a 30-99 stand.   It's a bit obvious when he says, "99 width."  I think he was testing us. ::)  I've recently become fascinated with the 99 width reels, and I think my 259 creation is going to be that width.  To me it seems like the the "just right" width to height ratio -- golden mean.  

I've neglected to get your package in the mail, but will soon.

Cheers,

/Joe



Yeah, and now ta figure out the orgin of the posts, 99's?

Agree with you about the 99 width. The CC/Tiburon 501 I built's got strengh & weight advantages, but not the line capacity a the wider ones. The CC 500 kit I got's gonna have the line cap., but a little more difficult to handle when reeling in. Got the CC 99 kit also--- that one's in the zone.

So, the box arrived, but it's waitin for you? Or, did it not arrive yet?, 'cause I mighta tossed the reciept with the shipping # on it.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on November 30, 2017, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: basto on November 30, 2017, 09:32:01 PM
Ted
If you narrowed a 99 with a 2/0 stand, what spool may fit?
yeah?
Gfish
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Gfish on November 30, 2017, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: broadway on November 30, 2017, 08:50:03 PM
Greg,
  For the future I have found two ways to fill the screw holes... first, dremel off a couple of screw heads (same size as the others on the reel) leaving a little nib maybe a 1/16".  Next get some super glue or epoxy and put in hole (put tape on back side of plate to prevent glue from going through).  Lastly place the screw heads in the glue/epoxy making sure they're straight and voila.  Leaving the little nib on the screw helps in keeping the screw aligned when it rests in the glue.
The other is to use super stubby screws with a slightly larger diameter and screw them in the plate, but this way the screw heads won't be exactly the same, but you can get close.
Nice job hooking hat reel up.
Best,
Dom

Used the first thing you told me about. Tried superglue on one side and epoxy on the other. Picture has an arrow poining at the screw. So far, so good. Thanks Hoss! You can see how I tilted the reel forward on it's axis and that the 4/0 stand was not an exact fit, as the middle screw barely made it through the outside ring and the edge of the stand sticks out slightly from the inside ring.
Gfish


Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Maxed Out on January 05, 2018, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: mo65 on October 29, 2017, 02:43:44 PM
   I picked up a left handed 259 a few days ago. At first I though something was wrong when I cranked the handle...hee hee...caught me off guard. Did they make a lot of these 259 lefties?

This find was inspired by Mo and his lefty 259

  Ted
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: foakes on January 05, 2018, 06:28:17 PM
Beautiful, Ted!

That is a tough combo to find.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Bryan Young on January 05, 2018, 09:27:41 PM
That's a great find Ted.  I think I have the parts to convert one of my 259s to a lefty for my son.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Decker on January 05, 2018, 09:56:10 PM
Is it me or does Ted seem to be operating at a whole different level?
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Maxed Out on January 05, 2018, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: Decker on January 05, 2018, 09:56:10 PM
Is it me or does Ted seem to be operating at a whole different level?

I'll answer that......it's very simple, I click on new listing on ebay and there it was, just got listed for $45 and free shipping. Just no way I could stop myself from hitting the buy it now icon.

That's my secret....Hope that helps  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: mo65 on January 05, 2018, 11:43:05 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 05, 2018, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: Decker on January 05, 2018, 09:56:10 PM
Is it me or does Ted seem to be operating at a whole different level?

I'll answer that......it's very simple, I click on new listing on ebay and there it was, just got listed for $45 and free shipping. Just no way I could stop myself from hitting the buy it now icon.

That's my secret....Hope that helps  ;)  ;)

   Now hold on a minute...it ain't that easy...I spend every spare minute of my day checking new listings and I still never see most of these gems. There is MOJO involved. :D  Impressive Ted, that is a sweet lefty 259, and the box, and the catalog, you da man brother! 8)
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: mo65 on January 06, 2018, 12:06:51 AM
   I just realized I never posted pics of the lefty 259 I had...it was a gift for my brother...and he wanted to try a restoration himself. Looks like he got 'er cleaned up pretty good. 8)
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Maxed Out on January 06, 2018, 12:59:37 AM

Hey Mo, the boat on the tail plate looks to be having difficulties. They got too close to shore and now all 5 rods are snagged on the lighthouse.  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: JRD on February 11, 2018, 07:36:57 PM
Here's my foray into this cool little reel.  Full Newell 501 kit, Cortez sleeve, stainless dog and modified Okuma crank. I'm not sold 100% on the crank yet, visually it's overkill but wanted to make it comfortable for the 100-160 foot trips up from the bottom.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Decker on February 13, 2018, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: JRD on February 11, 2018, 07:36:57 PM
Here's my foray into this cool little reel.  Full Newell 501 kit, BP sleeve, stainless dog and modified Okuma crank. I'm not sold 100% on the crank yet, visually it's overkill but wanted to make it comfortable for the 100-160 foot trips up from the bottom.

I've been wanting to build one, and like what you did, JRD.  How would you use it?  Is the Okuma crank a direct fit?

I'd like to see some way to measure torque on reel handles.  A long handle seems to make sense with a higher gear ratio, in order to have the mechanical advantage when fighting.  On a lower gear ratio, my thinking is that a shorter handle is handy for spinning fast from the wrist for bait check.  That's why they make two-speed reels, but I'm not ready to go there yet.  

Trying to decide if I should build mine with a 99-size or 501 spool.  With braid, a 99 may hold a lot more line than necessary.  I'm thinking of this as a blackfish (tautog) wreck reel -- strong enough to turn a fish heading for cover, so stainless gear sleeve, beefed-up drag, and double-dogged.  

/Joe  
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: JRD on February 13, 2018, 02:14:44 PM
Quote from: Decker on February 13, 2018, 01:46:15 PM

I've been wanting to build one, and like what you did, JRD.  How would you use it?  Is the Okuma crank a direct fit?


Joe this one has a Cortez sleeve, stainless single dog and a Bryan 5 stack.  I wanted a ling cod reel, torque and grunt at the start to keep them out of the rocks then enough speed to get them up.  I tried it first with a Motive Sals handle and BP 45mm EVA knob but felt it was too slow.  I have a Cortez CZ10 and liked the feel of the handle so got a new Okuma handle off of ebay, $14.98 shipped.  The length feels like it will let me speed it up a bit.

It's not a direct fit.  I used a frame screw to bolt an old Penn handle to it for lock screw placement and filed to fit.  The blade is a little thick but I feel there is enough shaft nut in the sleeve to be secure.  I made it a tight fit to where it took a little compression from shaft nut to get it to seat.   None the less I've ordered a CZ handle $17.98 which has a thinner, slightly shorter blade.  I will update the picts when it gets here
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Penn Chronology on February 16, 2018, 04:24:25 PM
QuoteHere's my foray into this cool little reel.  Full Newell 501 kit, Cortez sleeve, stainless dog and modified Okuma crank. I'm not sold 100% on the crank yet, visually it's overkill but wanted to make it comfortable for the 100-160 foot trips up from the bottom

Perfect modification for the job you want it to do. I think it would also be a perfect mod for Blackfishing (tautog). Getting the fish off the bottom is key and the drag / dog upgrades will be the perfect option to make that happen. I have a special liking for this model. Mine is narrowed to a 501 width with no internal mods yet; but, I will do them in the future. Probably change the spool to a chrome one when I do the internals. Great reels that disappeared from the market too early. IMHO
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Decker on February 16, 2018, 05:06:11 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on February 16, 2018, 04:24:25 PM
Perfect modification for the job you want it to do. I think it would also be a perfect mod for Blackfishing (tautog). Getting the fish off the bottom is key and the drag / dog upgrades will be the perfect option to make that happen. I have a special liking for this model. Mine is narrowed to a 501 width with no internal mods yet; but, I will do them in the future. Probably change the spool to a chrome one when I do the internals. Great reels that disappeared from the market too early. IMHO

Tony, thanks.  Everything I know about fishing reels comes from this site :)  What would the chrome spool do for you better than the aluminum?  /Joe
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Penn Chronology on February 16, 2018, 05:54:03 PM
QuoteEverything I know about fishing reels comes from this site Smiley  What would the chrome spool do for you better than the aluminum?  /Joe

It would save the "hard to find" red aluminum spool from the wear and tear of fishing. If I found a black aluminum spool, I would use that too. The red one is a good use choice but it is a collectible, so I would want to save it.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 20, 2019, 09:35:08 PM
Scored a 259 awhile back and finally cleaned it up a little, changed out the drag to cf's & smoothies, used a Newell "99" kit from Randy and used a JM power handle I got from the Boss. I'm going to use this one on a 11' rod I use for big sabiki rigs. Love all these old Penn's and bringing them back to life!
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: mo65 on April 20, 2019, 09:57:03 PM
   I love the 259, great work Darin!
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 20, 2019, 10:09:19 PM
Quote from: mo65 on April 20, 2019, 09:57:03 PM
   I love the 259, great work Darin!
Thanks, Mike! I bet these low gear models would be good for your river fishing? Didn't you post one with a 99 Tib frame?
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Ron Jones on April 20, 2019, 10:23:08 PM
Darin
That reel has a 3 screw base 99 width Newell base?
That's cool.
Ron Jones
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 21, 2019, 02:33:26 AM
QuoteScored a 259 awhile back and finally cleaned it up a little, changed out the drag to cf's & smoothies, used a Newell "99" kit from Randy and used a JM power handle I got from the Boss. I'm going to use this one on a 11' rod I use for big sabiki rigs. Love all these old Penn's and bringing them back to life!

Love that reel Darin. I bet it is a very strong retrieve.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 21, 2019, 04:41:30 AM
Quote from: Ron Jones on April 20, 2019, 10:23:08 PM
Darin
That reel has a 3 screw base 99 width Newell base?
That's cool.
Ron Jones
Ron, It has two screws on each side of the base/seat, the same as the reel, fits like a glove  ;D

Love that reel Darin. I bet it is a very strong retrieve.
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Thank you!
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: mo65 on April 21, 2019, 12:21:40 PM
Quote from: Darin Crofton on April 20, 2019, 10:09:19 PM
Quote from: mo65 on April 20, 2019, 09:57:03 PM
   I love the 259, great work Darin!
Thanks, Mike! I bet these low gear models would be good for your river fishing? Didn't you post one with a 99 Tib frame?

   You betcha Darin. So far, the #5-60 gearing seems to be the best for catfishing, plenty of torque but not too slow. Felt handle pressure seems easier to crank under load. Here's the link to that 259/99 reel...one of my most favorites. 8)

          https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=20574.0
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 22, 2019, 05:48:11 AM
QuoteDarin
That reel has a 3 screw base 99 width Newell base?
That's cool.
Ron Jones

I believe the Newell 99 width base was actually designed for converting a Jigmaster ( not a Model 259) to a 99 width. That said, the base is a two screw Jigmaster hole pattern and will also work on a Live Bait Caster #259. Here are a couple of Jigmasters I built a very long time ago, the picture is also very old. The reel on the left is a Jigmaster with a 99 Newell kit, reel on the right has a standard width Jigmaster 500 Newell Kit. These kits have been around for many years. The spool of my 99 width Jigmaster is a Accurate spool. The handle of the reel on the right is a tough find today, it is called a Nitro-Fish handle. I have not seen one in many years. Both these reels are still in my collection.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 22, 2019, 07:22:14 AM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on April 22, 2019, 05:48:11 AM
QuoteDarin
That reel has a 3 screw base 99 width Newell base?
That's cool.
Ron Jones

I believe the Newell 99 width base was actually designed for converting a Jigmaster ( not a Model 259) to a 99 width. That said, the base is a two screw Jigmaster hole pattern and will also work on a Live Bait Caster #259. Here are a couple of Jigmasters I built a very long time ago, the picture is also very old. The reel on the left is a Jigmaster with a 99 Newell kit, reel on the right has a standard width Jigmaster 500 Newell Kit. These kits have been around for many years. The spool of my 99 width Jigmaster is a Accurate spool. The handle of the reel on the right is a tough find today, it is called a Nitro-Fish handle. I have not seen one in many years. Both these reels are still in my collection.
So great seeing this old pic from years ago, thanks for sharing, Michael, and I dig that black Nitro handle for sure!
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: WDill on August 18, 2019, 10:19:48 PM
First 259 on left has no part numbers on anything, the right one has part numbers but an unusual handle, its the same size as a 4/0 24-66 but no part numbers and a very football shaped grip. Is this what an early 24-66 looks like? Never have seen one quite like it. The one middle  I picked up at a flea market today and it has a numbered 24-155 handle which I assume is the correct one. Matches the early no part numbered one on the left as far as size goes.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Bill B on August 19, 2019, 05:44:28 AM
Nice brace of 259's.....Bill
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: WDill on August 19, 2019, 09:14:17 AM
Thanks, at first they seemed rare, but now I seem to trip over them. Love the side plate. Much nicer than the plain 1/0s.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: Crow on August 19, 2019, 10:57:52 AM
Nice collection !
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: WDill on August 20, 2019, 10:10:12 PM
Thanks, probably a very small collection compared to most on this site. But I have caught the bug. No telling where it will end.
Title: Re: Live Bait Caster 259, 259L
Post by: foakes on August 20, 2019, 10:16:25 PM
Very good collection!

Best,

Fred