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Does anyone have a post and two screws for sale
Could anyone possible help me date the 49 I have. Sorry no pics at the moment. Key notes: non-handle has scene with 4 fishing boats, marking No 49, brown plastic spool, and green wooden handle (almost looks like stain but thicker).
Are there part numbers on the exposed parts? If there are, this would date it to after WW II.....I do not have my Penn Chronology book with me to date a plastic spool....Bill
Could see any on the handle and star. The base is blank.
Also from looking at pictures on internet another odd feature is the clicker. It is not waffle and not the typical hersey kiss style but has six sided base with hersey drop on top
What was the intended fishing purpose or technique that caused the two lever design on these 49s?
Dwight
I think it was to reel backwards to let live bait drag out line. (& to bust knuckles on a hard hit) ;D
To expand on Rudy's comments, it seems the 49 was a bridge between the old knuckle busters and new style disengaging pinion....many used to count the number of handle turn to achieve a certain depth...the model 149 came in both knuckle buster and disengaging pinion style, which is an older model than the 49..I may have this backwards but I believe the 49 was introduced as the Deep Sea and later renamed Super Mariner..the Master Mariner 349 the last of the narrow series came in two styles, single lever disengaging pinion and the two lever knuckle buster/ disengaging pinion. Of course this is just off the top of my head, and will need to consult Mike's book this afternoon for spot on details.
The clicker sounds like a curious sample and I would love to see a picture of it.....just a wild guess it's an aftermarket or field repair.....Bill
Unfortunately I don't have my phone with me to take pictures, but I did find some of the feature mention on the internet. The first pic is the clicker. Second picture is handle shape. Third pic is handle color. Last pic is the side plate design.
Oh forgot the spool.
The hex clicker puts it around 39-40.
So finally got pics of the reel
As SuperHook stated you have a very early 49....no part numbers, plastic spool....but the first year 39 did not have a rod clamp provision.....this is a really cool early version...thanks for sharing......bill
Sharkman,
That is a very interesting 49. I would say it is a 1941 reel because of the hex clicker button and the rod clamp stand. 1941 was the first year a drilled stand was used on the 49 and the clicker screams those early 1940's pre-war years. The hex clicker button is mostly seen on the Penn Sea Gate, so it unusual to see it on a Penn 49; but, it is just a clicker button and can be installed on any reel. I would think this is a very interesting find. I suspect the spool may be incorrect. It should be a black plastic spool; but, being that the hex button in on this reel, someone may have ordered a small group of reels built this way just to have them different looking. Back in those years, Penn was doing special orders.
Mike C.
The interesting thing about this reel is basically it was retired due to broken eccentric spring. It must have been retired early in its career because the guts are immaculate. Mike C this reel actually came in the same box as the 149 I sold you.
QuoteThe interesting thing about this reel is basically it was retired due to broken eccentric spring. It must have been retired early in its career because the guts are immaculate. Mike C this reel actually came in the same box as the 149 I sold you.
That must have been a very old box. ;D
Any Chance you can post a photo of the box? That reddish spool (I believe) is correct for the 49... 2 or 3 of my oldest versions have the red spools. The hex clicker can be found on many reels. I have a Long Beach 68 with one, a delmar 285, and a sea gate all with the hex clickers. I believe your reel to be '39-'41 but mike and Ray know way more than I. Just my personal experience.
If you collect or want to collect reels that one is a good start. I just picked up a 149 with one red plate that I've never seen before. I know some come with colored spools but never saw a 149 with one.
Happy hunting,
Dom
Dom unfortunately no box. The individual I obtained from bought out a very long standing bait and tackle shop and is rumored to have 5-6 5 gallon buckets full of penns. He is gradually selling the little box at a time. The first box contained this reel and a 149 that I sold to Mike C. I can't wait to see the next box.
Quote from: broadway on October 07, 2016, 10:13:12 AM
Any Chance you can post a photo of the box? That reddish spool (I believe) is correct for the 49... 2 or 3 of my oldest versions have the red spools. The hex clicker can be found on many reels. I have a Long Beach 68 with one, a delmar 285, and a sea gate all with the hex clickers. I believe your reel to be '39-'41 but mike and Ray know way more than I. Just my personal experience.
If you collect or want to collect reels that one is a good start. I just picked up a 149 with one red plate that I've never seen before. I know some come with colored spools but never saw a 149 with one.
Happy hunting,
Dom
Say What ?? We demand pictures right now. No such thing as a red sideplate on a 149. Pics or it never happened !!
Maybe someone put a 349 style plate on a 149?
Quote from: mizmo67 on October 07, 2016, 07:23:44 PM
Maybe someone put a 349 style plate on a 149?
That was my thought Mo, but I saw it for my own eyes on eBay :o, and it is a 149 tailplate.
Cool, a rare bird!
When speaking about Penn reels, NEVER say NEVER!!!
I'm no expert but looking at my 349 and 49, the holes are all in the wrong places for the reel foot and bars screws.
That was quire the find Dom!
I have never seen that before.
This is part of what makes collecting Penn reels so rewarding.
Quote from: mizmo67 on October 07, 2016, 07:23:44 PM
Maybe someone put a 349 style plate on a 149?
Wrong stand screw configuration, the 149/49 has 4 screws, the 349 has 6.
I've always liked these reels...the dual eccentric levers just look cool. Since I'll prolly never fish the thing, I saved a few bucks by getting one with a plastic spool. Once again, it looks cool too! As can be seen in the first two pics, the eBay seller did the usual great job of masking the worst corrosion. Even so, I knew those posts were gonna be crusty, and they sure are. The third photo takes a better look at those posts. I was curious to see if I could gussy them up...so I pulled that front bottom one off and gave it the business. Now it shines like a pimp's hubcap! :D
It's an art to determine the difference between dirt and corrosion from a photo. Maybe Ted could give us some instruction.... he seems to have it figured out pretty well. You didn't have to worry about the condition of the spool on this one - that adds another degree of difficulty, especially when there is line on it.
Sid
I tore down my 49 for a makeover and once again found a strange drag stack. This time it was a red fiber disc first followed by two leather discs. Also the top metal washer was thicker than the other two metals. I referenced Penn's drag info and sure as the sun shines, this is the correct original arrangement. I kinda wish I had those original components(NOS pieces)...it would be cool to restore this reel to complete original specs. 8)
Quote from: mo65 on June 10, 2017, 03:45:38 PM
I tore down my 49 for a makeover and once again found a strange drag stack. This time it was a red fiber disc first followed by two leather discs. Also the top metal washer was thicker than the other two metals. I referenced Penn's drag info and sure as the sun shines, this is the correct original arrangement. I kinda wish I had those original components...it would be cool to restore this reel to complete original specs. 8)
That could be the original configuration.
Quote from: Keta on June 10, 2017, 03:49:31 PM
That could be the original configuration.
It definitely is Lee...hit the zoom on this page from a Penn catalog. Even more bizarre is the Sailfisher 130's drag stack. It uses
three of those red under gear washers! :-\
Quote from: mo65 on June 10, 2017, 03:59:25 PM
Quote from: Keta on June 10, 2017, 03:49:31 PM
That could be the original configuration.
It definitely is Lee...hit the zoom on this page from a Penn catalog. Even more bizarre is the Sailfisher 130's drag stack. It uses three of those red under gear washers! :-\
Thanks Mo! A 130 is being delivered to me today.
Steve
Mo, check with Fred he might have some NOS washers for that reel. Rudy
QuoteThat could be the original configuration
I just took a NOS 1952 First year Model 130 apart last week. The drag stack consists of four phenolic hard washers (one goes under the main gear) two leather washers, two keyed to the sleeve brass washers, two keyed to the main brass washers and one heavy keyed to the sleeve top brass washer. It is an impressive stack for a reel like a 130.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Sailfisher%20130/1952%20First%20Ed.%20Penn%20Model%20130%20008%20816%20x%20612_zpsnvcinyqx.jpg)
Notice that the anti-reverse gear is undercut to allow for a oil impregnated washer that is permanently mounted to the bridge and the anti-reverse dog is bridge mounted like on a Jigmaster.
Pretty neat reel by 1952 standards. Penn 130's have a small cult following. Some fisherman want to fish with nothing else.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on June 10, 2017, 06:26:39 PM
Pretty neat reel by 1952 standards. Penn 130's have a small cult following. Some fisherman want to fish with nothing else.
I'll vouch for that. The guy I just bought a 130 from swears it's the best reel Penn ever made. He's a muskie fisherman so I'm hoping the fresh water has treated the reel well. He wants me to send pictures of any fish I catch with it. I will.
Quote from: sdlehr on June 10, 2017, 01:30:00 PM
It's an art to determine the difference between dirt and corrosion from a photo. Maybe Ted could give us some instruction.... he seems to have it figured out pretty well. You didn't have to worry about the condition of the spool on this one - that adds another degree of difficulty, especially when there is line on it.
Sid
Sweet reel Mo. Love the green swirl knob too !!
Sid, there is no sure way of telling if a reel is likely to clean up to near mint. From my experience odds are against finding reels that'll go from ugly duckling to a swan. You can't make fillet mignon out of ground round, and same goes for a used or older reel. I try to buy all my reels from the "fillet mignon" section. ;D ;D.....and no matter how hard I try, I still get a bad piece of meat every so often :D :D
-Ted
Ted's right...it's a roll of the dice. Some times I'll scour the pics...and be sure it can be shined up...only to be left with a pile of deeply pitted scrap! I think the key is finding the ones that the corrosion is on the surface, not through the chrome.
That 130 drag stack is very interesting. I wonder what kind of numbers it produced? On the other hand...maybe big numbers wasn't the desired result. Maybe smoothness was the idea. It was a sailfish reel after all...I'm betting those red under gear washers stood the heat of long runs way better than the leather washers. Interesting indeed. 8)
I got my 49 all cleaned up and reassembled today. It turned out pretty nice. The first pic is that one from a few days ago...its a nice contrast to pic number two...showing how well the posts cleaned up. The third photo shows that old narrow diameter gear sleeve post...and the cool green felt that oils it. This is the first reel I've acquired that this felt was in mint condition...so it's stayin' right in there! Last is the money shot, love that green/yellow swirl knob, this is the first reel in my collection wearing that colored knob. I like this reel so well I've decided to hunt down a 349 and try fishing it. 8)
Great save Mo.....I have a 49 I fish with regularly and love the speed of the reel.....especially on deep drops....even put one in my Nep Tuna cradle.....can't wait to fish with the 349...Bill
Really nice job Mo. They are great reels.
I got a 49 I'm cleaning up and found this on the back of the bridge. Never seen this before and thinking it's a repair to the bridge post Did penn make bridges like this ?
Quote from: Swami805 on November 04, 2017, 03:58:10 AM
Did penn make bridges like this ?
NO! ::) Penn's work is not that sloppy. Penn peens them with a press with a lot of tonnage.
Plumber's solder. Is the post rigid now?
-steve
I tore one down that had been "repaired"........but didn't hold. I also tore down one that was all wobbled out...and no repair had been attempted. I think , once the post has loosened in the hole, you're pretty much out of luck. When I removed a "stock" post from a 49 bridge (for a "beef - up" project, I found that the post was a very tight , press-fit, into the hole, and then peened on the end. I think once the "press fit" is wobbled out, it would be impossible to hold the post secure with peening, soldering, or anything else.
Quote from: Crow on November 04, 2017, 12:44:26 PM
I tore one down that had been "repaired"........but didn't hold. I also tore down one that was all wobbled out...and no repair had been attempted. I think , once the post has loosened in the hole, you're pretty much out of luck. When I removed a "stock" post from a 49 bridge (for a "beef - up" project, I found that the post was a very tight , press-fit, into the hole, and then peened on the end. I think once the "press fit" is wobbled out, it would be impossible to hold the post secure with peening, soldering, or anything else.
Yep!, I've been there a few time before, one of the reason I decided to install the 3-349 on that reel.
Once the post is loose, I don't waste my time on it anymore, just like a warped spool.
Sal
I figured it was a cheesy repair, it feels ok but I don't trust it,I'll have to get another bridge. It has a metal spool with a large diameter arbor with diamond shaped holes it in. I believe it's for wire line. Anyway thanks for the replys, Sheridan
I have successfuly tightened loose gearsleeve posts by using low temp silver soulder. Only hard to find bridges make this worth the effort and Sal sent me a care package a few years ago with NOS 349 bridges and gearsleeves.
If you need to purchase a spool for a 49 you may have to replace the pinion also. The older spools had a different spool shaft.
Mike
....according to catalogs, 1950 was 1st year Penn offered a metal spool for the 49 & 149 (same spool fits both reels)
For a short time in early 50's it was a vented spool, then it was switched to the familiar spool with Large cast arbor.
The 49 in front is the one that puzzles me. According to all catalogs it should not exist. It's an old school 3 piece spool with standard small arbor. Penn bragged about "large oversize arbor" on 49 & 149. Yet here is tiny arbor spool that is width of a 1/0 and a 1/0 size arbor
Perhaps someone can clarify things a bit, cause I'm clueless on this 49 spool(approx 1954-55)...it also has no part#
hmmm I have one. i will check when I get home
Here is a mid 50's #49 spool with the large cast arbor, and on the left is the #49 spool made as a 3 piece chrome spool with regular small arbor
...and as I compare the inner side of the flanges I see there is substantial amount of backing added to the backside of the flanges on the small arbor spool.
The reel came in a box w/catalog that represents the same time frame as the intro of 130 sailfisher that had a 3 piece spool only for its 1st year.
I do not believe this spool ever went into production simply because these reels were always advertised as large arbor wire line reels. It is more likely one of a few prototypes made.
That is interesting. Likely a prototype, or produced in low numbers. I have never seen one.
I agree .... never saw one and I believe it is also a prototype. Penn could've been thinking of going to that different arbor to fit more line on the reel as it is considerably smaller... likely a prototype between the standard 3 piece spool and the one piece spool, but they went straight to the one piece. Just a fairly educated guess.
Nice find "Hawk Eye"
Dom
Hi Ted,
If you look inside the diamonds of the spool of the #49's with that modification for wire line trolling, early 50's, it seems those spools have the straight spindle as per your photo above. They would also seem to need reinforcing to handle the 'diamond collar'.
Perhaps this is one of those spools that escaped the factory without it's identification collar!!
Cheers
Martin
Quote from: Deepennz on January 10, 2018, 08:59:56 PM
Hi Ted,
If you look inside the diamonds of the spool of the #49's with that modification for wire line trolling, early 50's, it seems those spools have the straight spindle as per your photo above. They would also seem to need reinforcing to handle the 'diamond collar'.
Perhaps this is one of those spools that escaped the factory without it's identification collar!!
Cheers
Martin
Never knew that Martin, very cool info....and I think you may be right about one slipping out of the factory. I tried to get more info from the seller, but it turns out this reel was donated to a church and they knew nothing about the donor
This particular small arbor 3 piece spool has line tie post which means it was intended to be this way.
Ted
Something keeps drawing me to this reel. Sold it and bought it back. There is no numbers on parts. The handle and clicker look different. It has chrome spool with diamond holes in it but if I remember correctly changed this out because was thinking about fishing. I have plastic spool which is spoiled with Dacron. Is the reel a shelfie or fish it
Looks like a really early model. Sure is pretty!
Thanks xjchad. This is where I want to put the spool you sent. I have another that I am building.
Thats the older model I would shelf it. Its the 49L with the aluminum spool is the one to fish with.
Mike
Nice reel, I think I'd shelve it too.
Thats a nice one. Hex clicker is cool i usually only see those on Seagates. Definitely retire that one to the display shelf
QuoteSomething keeps drawing me to this reel. Sold it and bought it back. There is no numbers on parts. The handle and clicker look different. It has chrome spool with diamond holes in it but if I remember correctly changed this out because was thinking about fishing. I have plastic spool which is spoiled with Dacron. Is the reel a shelfie or fish it
I just sold one with a hex clicker, hated to part with it; but, I cannot keep them all. They are very unusual. Mine was no where as nice as yours is and I got $50 for it. Yours is definitely a keeper. I would shelve it.
The handle on mine was also different, there were no part numbers on any metal parts; but it had a plastic spool, which I believe was original. I placed the reel in a before the war category.
Thanks Penn Chronology. There are some minor thing I noted also on this reel. The handle side bearing and star are very blocky not tapered down like newer. The original spool must have longer shaft on the handle side than newer model because when tried newer metal spools scrubbed unless you put new handle side bearing
QuoteThere are some minor thing I noted also on this reel. The handle side bearing and star are very blocky not tapered down like newer. The original spool must have longer shaft on the handle side than newer model because when tried newer metal spools scrubbed unless you put new handle side bearing
Over the years even though the models are the same, there will be changes like you mentioned. That is expected. Things like fits of trim rings and side plates can vary. Becoming familiar with the subtle differences helps a person date these old models.
Thanks to Penn Chronology and members of this sight I have learned so much. I couldn't hold back the temptation to want to fish such a piece of history. I changed the original plastic spool to an aluminum spool thanks to xjchad. I kept all the original parts. I spoiled with Berkley Big Game. A reel that has lasted this long deserved nice place to sit. So I put on 20-40 Key Largo Custom rod. Now just got to book a trip and start it on some grunts then move it up to mangroves.
Looks great man! 8)
Can't wait to see what you catch with it!
Sharkman, newer versions of this reel are common and very affordable..... In my honest opinion it would be a sin to fish this 49 simply because of the outstanding original factory condition it is in.
I have 3 nice 49's just sitting here....I'll send you all 3 for free and you can set aside the pre war 49 as a survivor. ...just thought I'd toss you that offer....pm your address and I'll get them on the way
Ted
You're the man Ted!
Ted, you are one of a kind.
Sal
Teds package arrived. The reels are amazing. Thank you
I put the pre war back original and shelved
Saw Jeffro's Nice collection of 49's and noticed the different names the reel had. When was the 49 called the "Fast action". I looked in the blue book but couldn't find it in there. Thanks
Quote from: Maxed Out on August 16, 2018, 01:05:17 AM
Sharkman, newer versions of this reel are common and very affordable..... In my honest opinion it would be a sin to fish this 49 simply because of the outstanding original factory condition it is in.
I have 3 nice 49's just sitting here....I'll send you all 3 for free and you can set aside the pre war 49 as a survivor. ...just thought I'd toss you that offer....pm your address and I'll get them on the way
Ted
Ted, I just saw this for the first time. That was terrific of you. PM sent. Dominick
Quote from: Swami805 on January 22, 2019, 03:33:07 AM
Saw Jeffro's Nice collection of 49's and noticed the different names the reel had. When was the 49 called the "Fast action". I looked in the blue book but couldn't find it in there. Thanks
Hi Sheridan based on the $12 price on your box it seems 1942 (catalog 10).
But there was also the King Salmon box at $12 so did Penn have both models at this time ??
Maybe Mike can shed some light on this ... ??? ???
Regards
AC49
Wow, that's a sweet reel with what looks to be a rosewood torpedo knob. Great score !!
The king salmon labeled box is not an easy find, and I believe it was very short lived.
Ted
QuoteThe king salmon labeled box is not an easy find, and I believe it was very short lived
I have seen the King Salmon named box label with a $10.00 price and a $12.00 price. The $10.00 box would be a 1941 box and the $12.00 price would be a 1942 box. Those are the only years that box was used. After the war the King Salmon name disappeared.
Just a question for the more knowledgeable penn enthusiasts out there. I have noticed that there are two common side plates on the 49. One says Deep Sea Reel, and the other says Super Mariner. Is there any difference in the internal parts on these two variations. I really don't see a difference except maybe side plates and spools. ??? ???
The Deep Sea is the earlier version. Same basic internals.
Thanks Rowdy, I was thinking about procuring a couple to pull planers on planer rods. Was wondering about changes in gear ratio.
In 1951 catalog no. 16 it was called PENN No. 49 and in the 1952 catalog 17 the name changed to SUPER-MARINER.
If the SUPER-MARINER sideplates were in production from 1952-2006 then both these sideplates would have out there at the same time for a fairly lengthy period and could have been used at any time really.
Regards
AC49
QuoteThanks Rowdy, I was thinking about procuring a couple to pull planers on planer rods. Was wondering about changes in gear ratio
The Penn 49 has traditionally been a fast reel for its size. The retrieve ratio of 3 1/2 to 1 is all that it has ever been offered with. Moving to a Master Mariner 349 gives a high and low gear option..
By high and low gear options you mean I can change the Main and Pinion out for different ratios? ???
Quote from: WDill on July 01, 2019, 04:17:37 PM
By high and low gear options you mean I can change the Main and Pinion out for different ratios? ???
I believe that you have to replace the entire right side plate and spool. So, better to get two reels.
The Man
I believe you will find that the 349 and 349H are the same except for main & pinion gears and drags. Rudy
Rudy is correct......the only other difference in any of the 349 series is the extra "knuckle buster" lever on the "C" models
The information is *probably* here...somewhere, but I can't locate it, so......What was the first year of production for the 49 ? And, I'm 'assuming" that a "waffle clicker", and a "plain" (no clamp holes) stand would denote a pre 1940 reel ? And, when did the 49 stop having the "wooden knob" (may be some sort of plastic, but I don't have the reel "in hand" yet...but it IS a round , early style knob) I just "won" a bid, for one....very, very rough shape, but...it'll fit in with most of the stuff I have , that way :D.....Thanks !!
Here's the listing....looks like the guy needed a new screwdriver, REAL bad !
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-3-Vintage-reels-Pflueger-Oceanic-Ocean-City-Sea-Girt-Penn-49-Deep-Sea-/173952006703?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageN
Looks like it could be a 1939 reel Crow
Thanks, Chris !
It sure looks like a 1st year 49, but it has a later metal spool. The 49 only had plastic spool up to 1950. If you decide you'd like an original early spool, just shoot me a pm
Ted
I assumed the spool had been replaced, at some point....should it have the 'brown" plastic spool ? The "Black" plastic is later "issue," I believe ???
I have the correct brown spool for your reel and it's all yours if you decide you want it
Ted
Hi Crow,
With that handle it could well be a 1938 model, produced after the '38 catalogue was printed, but they can be found -as you have. I believe that Brian Purrone even has one with the original '38 box, complete with a picture of that handle on the front - check out his web page.
Great find!!!
Cheers
Martin
Nice snag, Crow. Had I not fallen asleep I would've been a bidder. I had been watching that for a week, but with one hour of sleep, lots of work, and the excessive heat, I couldn't hang.
It's a 1938 as Martin said, that handle is unique to that model and that year. They are super hard to find. I have only seen Brian's and one other I missed the boat on a few years back.
You can clean her up with any other 49 that's from that era, so you can restore this one nicely.
Well done,
Dom
Rough, or not, I knew I wanted that handle ! The other two reels don't "do a lot" for me, although, they both have thumb brakes, and those always trip my trigger. I guess I'll replace the spool, with the one that Ted offered....to be "age correct", on that....but I'm thinking "clean" doesn't necessarily mean "shiny", so , maybe, all the other stuff should stay "original" to the reel ???. Nothing will happen very quickly, anyway...so I have lots of time to "ponder" over it :D..
That's entirely up to the owner, you.
My first priority is era correct.
Priority two is make it as nice as I can.
No Frankenstein reels here. Every vintage reel in my collection even has leather drags.
The first generation of members here on AT even before me in '10 was a guy that went by the name "Turboal" who gave me a bag of leather drags that had to have 200 washers in it. I have about 10 washers left.
Do what works for you and your collection,
Best
Dom
Nice find Crow !!
When you get the reel please check the star drag wheel size.
I have seen some of the older Penn 49 reels that have 10-60 size drag wheels (some numbered some not) and was wondering if this occurred before the larger 10-49 size. ??? ???
Will wait on your findings or anyone else's that might know.
Regards
AC49
I'll check, and post my "findings", AC49....looking at the picture off ebay, and judging by the length of the "arms" on the star, in relation to the upper bridge screws.....it *appears* they are the 'short' ones ???. But I will check, for sure, when it arrives.
I know and appreciate the fact that most of you guys are into keeping the original wear and patina on your collections — just cleaned up as much as possible...
But in looking through around 300 loose, mostly new, Penn plates — There are about (30) 49, 149, Supers, and a couple of 349 tailplates in the bins. These are tail & head plates.
None as old as waffle clickers — but they appear to be NOS from the 50's?
Plus a couple of dozen rings.
If anyone needs something, let me know.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: broadway on July 18, 2019, 03:21:17 PM
My first priority is era correct. Every vintage reel in my collection even has leather drags.
I hear ya bro...I like to keep my shelfies correct too. Only problem is finding those NOS leather drags now...they're getting scarce. I've got a nice pile of smashed flat/burnt black ones...anyone interested? :D Great find Crow! 8)
Yeah, I have a cigar box collection of "take out" washers...not sure just why I'm saving them ???.
Quote from: Crow on July 17, 2019, 10:19:10 PM
Here's the listing....looks like the guy needed a new screwdriver, REAL bad !
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-3-Vintage-reels-Pflueger-Oceanic-Ocean-City-Sea-Girt-Penn-49-Deep-Sea-/173952006703?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageN
Crow, couldn't see the 49 in the e-bay reference. Can you possibly post a picture when you get it? Thanks.
Crow, couldn't see the 49 in the e-bay reference. Can you possibly post a picture when you get it? Thanks.
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Here they are, Greg —
Best, Fred
Quote from: Gfish on July 18, 2019, 07:03:24 PM
Crow, couldn't see the 49 in the e-bay reference. Can you possibly post a picture when you get it? Thanks.
Hey G...just for future reference...when you click on those "sold" links it always shows some other stuff they want to sell. You have to then click on the "view original item" box and it will show you what you wanted to see in the first place.
Right on, Mo. Those burnt, smashed flat, and relatively useless washers are in many of mine as well... they are original. I place them flat on a paper towel, then press them with another paper towel on top to get the majority of old gunk off then a tiny touch of olive oil (Hey, I'm Italian) to keep them from drying out and cracking. Many times they are cracked, disintegrated, or in pieces which is when the spare leather washers from Turboal come in.
If anyone wants to get rid of their old leather washers I'm your guy.
Dom
AC 49 was wanting to know about the size of the star, on the 49, and, the "mail person" (who is NOT "male") just dropped it off, so....
It IS the smaller star wheel...unmarked, as to part #. I see, also, that the "driver's side " outside ring is broken :(, so I'll have to see....and think...just how I want to handle that ??? Look for a "used and abused" but "unbroken" one, on e bay, try to repair this one...or, replace them all, so "wear" is the same on all of them ? Anyway....this handle is NEAT !! My thoughts were....considering all I have to do, both in the gardens, and in the shop....to just "save this project" , until we get home , in the spring. Now, I'm "wavering", and *may* have to push this one up to the top of the list ;).
I will check what I have, Crow —
Best,
Fred
Quote from: Crow on July 20, 2019, 05:31:10 PM
AC 49 was wanting to know about the size of the star, on the 49...
It IS the smaller star wheel...unmarked, as to part #.
Thanks Crow for letting me know.
What I have managed to find out after some research: In Penn #17 from 1952 is the first mention of part 10-49.
In Penn #14 from 1949 to Penn #16 of 1951 the drag star part number is documented as 10-60.
So in conclusion Penn 49 reels prior to 1952 could carry 10-60 star drag wheels as original parts.
Regards
AC49
If any of this would help you, Crow —
(4) rings — 3 new, one in lower left used
(3) new leather drag washers
(1) fiber under gear washer
(1) 49 star marked 10-49
(1) 10-60 star marked as such
I could also send you all (21) screws, if you wish (head plate and stand, tail plate and stand, bridge screws, and handle lock screw).
Let me know, if any of this works for you — N/C as long as you can use the parts on the reel.
Best,
Fred
Thanks, Fred !! PM sent .
Good to know AC. That may help someone from pulling the hair out of their head.
I find the best way to restore a reel is with an "era correct" donor. Lots of times they'll even have a similar patina. A non numbered 49 is an easy find and only about $30. Be patient and you'll score as you have done with that one and many others you've scored. I've been looking for a 100 yd sea ford tailpkate for about 9 months now. It'll come when I least expect it, but it will come.
Best
Dom
One nice thing about doing these reels....even if "non-period"parts are used....for example, a stand gets replaced that has a "part number", instead of "yardage" markings...to make the reel either "functional", or "eye candy", for the shelf...as long as all the original stuff is kept...it can always go back onto the reel.....it's just a matter of a few screws. Granted, if the plates are "shined up".....the "original patina" will be lost (at least until another 40-50 years of boat rash can accumulate !), but, "some" reels were "loved and cared for" a LOT more than others were....some, a "disaster", and some "cherry"......and very few make it that long without having "something" done...a spool replaced, a bearing, whatever. So, does one "go back to "day one", both with parts and finish? Or , is it better to "leave it's work clothes on" ?
That's entirely up to the current caretaker of the reel.
Me personally, I do whatever I can to make them original and beautiful. I've spent $100 (buying multiple donors) to make a $60 reel beautiful and era correct again, so you see, it's all up to the current owner. While I typically don't overpay like many collectors, I find patience saves a ton of money in this game.
IMO, Patina is code word for "can be improved upon" ...to me at least.
You want patina? ... leave it alone after a proper restoration and in time you'll have a fantastic and EVEN patina on her. We may be dead by then, so use that as incentive to take care of yourself. ;)
Best
Dom
I agree with both Crow & Dom. I will keep the original parts at all times even if they are replaced but ....
IMO a pre 1952 Penn 49 or 49A that did have a non-numbered 10-60 drag wheel should NEVER end up with a new numbered 10-49 drag wheel that can still be bought off the shelf for $6.65 these days.
I believe in either using the original part or if the condition is too far gone then wait patiently for a decent donor part that suits the project / restoration reel in question.
Just my 2c worth ....
What the rest of you guys think ?
Regards
AC49
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Historical significance and originality can be much more important than condition, when putting a dollar amount on an older reel. For 30's, 40's, and 50's Penns that appear to be factory original are more sought after by collectors. As far as pre war reels go, we know they all have patina of some sort. It's to be expected
Hi Crow,
My 2cents worth - I sometimes think of those old, historical reels as being 'Grand Old Dames', and just because a previous owner hasn't shown them due love and care, why should they have to 'suffer' for ever, when a little 'makeup', love and respect is all they need in their old age.to make them happy!!
I'm with Dom - find an similar era reel and at least replace the bling rings - the rest seems all good to go.
Two other thoughts - the spools of those pre 1940 '49's are different from the 1940 - 1942 reels - they don't have the little ridge in the corner of the flange, and I believe that the use of plastic/bakelite in the 1938 model 49 was the first time Penn produced a reel with a plastic 'lightweight spool'.
Cheers
Martin
Ted graciously offered to fix me up with the "correct" bakelite spool. (Thanks, again !), so that's taken care of. Fred is helping with some parts, too, so, hopefully, "the old gal" will be "correct", AND have some "lipstick " on !!
Quote from: Maxed Out on July 22, 2019, 07:51:00 PM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Historical significance and originality can be much more important than condition, when putting a dollar amount on an older reel.
I try not to be a collector but figure that collectors of the future will have better information and far better technology than we do. Maybe they'll be able to tell how much the reel had been cleaned and with what. They're going to be tough to fool so maybe it's best to just leave everything as is.
Things like vinegar and polish are extractive. They take stuff away that cannot be put back.
-steve
Let me know if you still want all or only some of these parts, Arlyn —
Sounds like the experts are encouraging you to leave it as original as possible.
Glad to follow whatever your wishes are...
Best,
Fred
Steve, I respect your opinions, thoughts, and knowledge but I'm missing something. What are vinegar and polish going to get rid of except gunk and corrosion... dna?
I can't imagine someone in the future saying that a reel is valued less because it was cleaned (properly.)
Would a reel be worth more if it's corroded and non functioning ...because I save an awful lot of reels that would be in the trash.
Best,
Dom
I think what Steve is saying is that , for example, polishing is removing material...enough polishing, over the years, might totally remove the raised letters, side plate designs, etc......every time it's done, a little more "detail" goes away. And the same with the vinegar bath for corrosion....the post starts out, new, with 100% chrome, after is soaked to remove the crud (which has taken some of the chrome, by itself), some "good chrome " is also lost. Granted, most of these will never be fished, and live out their days on somebodies shelf...so no "new" corrosion", boat rash, or sun exposure damage will be added. But, if in 20, or so years, somebody comes up with a cleaning method that removes NO "good material", only "bad", or , perhaps a treatment , or sealer that totally stops any further degradation, the less "damage" we do NOW, will make a better reel IN THE FUTURE. But, Are we saving the reel for THEM, saving the reel for US, or trying to do both ?? I guess, for me, I want it in decent shape NOW, for me, and do my best to "pass it along", that same way ???
Removing the lettering, multiple cleanings, new chrome being put in vinegar??
I'm out of this conversation,
Dom
As a guy who has cleaned a few (thousands) salt water reels —
All vinegar does is a great job of arresting the Verdigris (the green corrosion process we see on salt water reels).
Once this process is stopped — what is left is what is left. There are still pits, missing chrome from the corrosion, damage from rust — but now the reel is clean, and the corrosion will not continue.
Sometimes, we tend to overthink just cleaning up a reel to be serviceable and operational.
I believe that even a shelf princess should at the least — have the crud of years of storage and fishing removed — and properly lubricated.
Then if someone wishes to set it on a shelf — it is presentable.
Unless a reel is unused, and a 9 or 10 — this is my approach.
Best,
Fred
I get a kick out of all the differing views on reel treatment and restoration. But, at the end of the day your reel is yours, to do with as you please. If some guy wants to paint his mint '39 Long Beach 65 purple with a spray can, all I can do is disagree. ;D
Similar to a "barn find"car,some would leave it as is, others might strip it and completely restore it. To each his own. Both approaches have value to a certain point of view.
Quote from: Swami805 on July 24, 2019, 03:07:56 AM
Similar to a "barn find"car,some would leave it as is, others might strip it and completely restore it. To each his own. Both approaches have value to a certain point of view.
Yeah, exactly.
-steve
Hi there,
For the record I thought I would post some pictures of my early '49s-
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/8447_25_07_19_12_38_34.jpeg)
A 1938 reel on the left, and a 1939 on the right.
Both these reels are all original - just cleaned up with dilute vinegar etc.
Here is the two reels from 'behind'
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/8447_25_07_19_12_37_55.jpeg)
Both reels have waffle clickers, and a respectable amount of patina!
In this third picture you can see the spool, with no ridge around the arbour as found in later 49's
(https://alantani.com/gallery/28/8447_25_07_19_12_37_04.jpeg)
As I said earlier, I believe these are the first examples of 'lightweight spools' produced by Penn, although I am happy to be corrected on this if anyone knows different.
Enjoy
Martin
Martin that's a pair of great reels!
I now have a pair of marked 49A reels. Both are a mixture of numbered and unnumbered parts. The one with knurled counterweight has the fewest numbered parts.
Nice stuff, guys ! Does anyone know when Penn first made the "A" model ? As well as when they stopped putting the "A" on it ? Was it a case of folks "building there own" "A" models by adding a wide spool and longer bars, or, did Penn just stop making the "A" plate, and grabbing a "regular" one, when they had an "A" order to fill ?
Chris that is a NICE pair of 49A reels.
Congratulations of the find and thanks for sharing :) ;)
Regards
AC49
Thanks guys!
QuoteDoes anyone know when Penn first made the "A" model ? As well as when they stopped putting the "A" on it ? Was it a case of folks "building there own" "A" models by adding a wide spool and longer bars, or, did Penn just stop making the "A" plate, and grabbing a "regular" one, when they had an "A" order to fill ?
The first 49 A was probably around 1950. Early reels were sold in regular 49 boxes and had the "A" stamped on the head plate. That did not last too long. There are some boxes from the later 1950's with the "A" marked on the label and not on the reel. I would think any reel with an "A" molded into head plate is an early 1950's reel. Soon Penn started using standard 49 head plates and never marked the reels again.
Thanks Mike
The confusing part about this whole process is surely there would have been moulds / stamps used to create this 49A headplate.
Why did this stop happening and Penn revert back to using standard 49 reel headplates ??
Did they lose the 49A mould / stamp ??
Was it not cost effective to carry on using the 49A headplate ??
Will wait to hear the thoughts of fellow members ....
Regards
AC49
Not my area of expertise, but molds had/have a limited life. The repeated heating and cooling makes them warp and deform. When things start to fit poorly it is time to have new molds made.
-steve
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Not my area of expertise, but molds had/have a limited life. The repeated heating and cooling makes them warp and deform. When things start to fit poorly it is time to have new molds made.
-steve
Exactly................. Labels are much cheaper to make than molds.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on July 26, 2019, 10:29:50 PM
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Not my area of expertise, but molds had/have a limited life. The repeated heating and cooling makes them warp and deform. When things start to fit poorly it is time to have new molds made.
-steve
Exactly................. Labels are much cheaper to make than molds.
Thanks to Steve and Mike for your input.
I was not aware that these molds had a limited life span. It would be interesting to hear how long they lasted (obviously dependent on usage). As the Penn 49A headplate is not that common even here in South Africa, I would suggest that after a shortish run (compared to other more common molds) they were retired (warped and deformed) and the common 49 headplate was used going forward ??? ???
Interesting discussion ... thanks to all for contributing to it !!
Regards
AC49
QuoteAs the Penn 49A headplate is not that common even here in South Africa,
Since the 49 A marked head plates were only made in the very early 1950's and the market they were headed for was not a market that put reels on a shelf. Those early reels were heavily used and worked very hard. And then I think of the rocks that were the base for the fishing that was done and how fisherman had to climb those rocks. I see the tackle getting banged around and damaged. it is amazing that anything survived the level of abuse that those Tuna and Rocks could do to fishing tackle. I feel the "A" marked head plates were only made for a few years, approximately 1950 to 1953, after that the "A" mold plug was discarded. I have not seen it at the factory or in any of the early mold plug photos. Finding surviving "A" marked wide 49's is not going to get any easier.
I found mine in a very unusual way. A friend of mine in Texas told me that a Alaskan Tackle Shop that he did business with on the internet, told him he had a 49 A marked reel that a customer (tourist from South Africa) brought into his shop for service. The customer never returned. A long period of time had passed and the Alaskan Shop owner wanted to sell the reel. My friend from Texas connected me with the shop owner and I bought the reel. My reel is a early model with the old style handle counter weight. This was over ten years ago. That is what got me started on the research that led to the article about the South African land based big game fishing and the 49A history.
Still have my first 49A. I probably will never let it go. Even the photos are old...................<:O)
You got lucky on that one ! Imagine, from Pennsylvania, to South Africa, to Alaska...and then to you.....that one did some traveling ! If I'm not mistaken, there were also some "A" Jigmasters...not sure just what the differences were, but, were there any other Penn reels that were marketed only in another country ?
QuoteIf I'm not mistaken, there were also some "A" Jigmasters...not sure just what the differences were, but, were there any other Penn reels that were marketed only in another country ?
Penn reels were sold all over the world. I believe that many Penn reels were sold in South Africa. I know the Jigmaster "A" was exported to South Africa. There was no difference than the American reel. Only an "A" added to the box label as was done with some other models. As far as I know, the 49 A was the only reel that was modified for the South African fishing.
So there has been much deliberation about which parts of which reels were used in the makeup of the 49A reel.
Some have said the Jigmaster while others have said the Squidder parts were used by the Penn folks to make up the 49A.
The obvious difference between the standard Penn 49 and the South African Penn 49A is in the stand, posts and the unique reinforced fiberglass spool.
Now that we have narrowed the years down (thanks to Mike) from about 1950 to 1953 we need to take a look at which reels were available during this period.
By some accounts the Jigmaster 500 arrived about 1958 so that's too late.
The Squidder 140 was there about 1939 so that's a possibility – stand 30-200 size which is 49A correct, 4 frame posts - but the 49A uses 6.
Another reel which Ted mentioned in this post (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=27224.30) is the Long Beach 67 reel. It was there from about 1939 so that's in the mix – stand 30-200 size which is 49A correct, 6 frame posts which is 49A correct.
As we know the folks at Penn used parts of existing reels for plenty of others. The Penn 67 reel would seem to be the ideal "donor" reel as it was a fairly robust saltwater reel by itself (325 yard capacity of 50 lb mono) and the 2 parts required were on the shelves already minus the unique reinforced fiberglass spool.
The part that always puzzled me was the star drag wheel 10-60 which I have found on quite a few original older 49A reels in my collection. After some research I solved that piece of the puzzle as the Penn 49 reel prior to 1952 could contain 10-60 as an original part (as per Penn catalogs #14 to #16). The Penn folks had this part in their parts supply at this time so nothing new was needed.
So in conclusion I'm with Ted that the Penn Long Beach 67 parts could very likely have been used for the 2 needed parts to convert the Penn 49 into a 49A with the spool being the only other part that needed separate engineering.
Any other opinions are welcome in this discussion.
Regards
AC49
Long Beach 67 stand and posts. The 67 uses a 30-200 stand. BUT for a early 50s 49A marked reel you must use the early 30-200 stand with the "squared" foot blades. The later versions have more tapered "blades".
Here are some pictures of the differences. The top picture is the stand on a 49A marked reel. Both of my marked 49A reels have the same stand. The bottom picture is the stand of a later wide 49.
Quoteminus the unique reinforced fiberglass spool.
First 49A spools were not fiberglass reinforced. They were simply Bakelite. I believe the fiberglass reinforcement of Bakelite spools did not happen until the late 1970's. There were a number of different Bakelite spool structures. Along with the fiberglass added to the base plastic resins, the later model spools were also structured differently.
As Mike said, the earliest 49a spools were bakelite and had no ribbing under side flanges. These early 49a spools were very prone to "explode" under a heavy load. This is documented in the book authored by Charles Horne, "big game fishing in South Africa"
Ted
I have first hand experience of that happening, now makes me wonder if it in fact had the 49a stamp and we ruined a collectors piece using it for shark fishing :o
So, I'm assuming that the "A" spools, AND the "regular" 49 series spools followed the same "evolution" ? The "brown" plastic ones (1st issue) were bakelite (some sort of resin, with powdered sawdust as a filler), and had no form of reinforcement ribbing....the "black" plastic" were also a form of bakelite, but used glass fibers for "filler", and added ribs...in several configurations over the years ? Were the "metal" spools always (from day one) available as an option on the"regular" 49 reels ? And, again an assumption, metal spools were never made for the "A" series, so they remained either "brown", or "black" plastic, throughout the run ? Thanks !
Quote from: Crow on July 29, 2019, 03:10:00 PM
So, I'm assuming that the "A" spools, AND the "regular" 49 series spools followed the same "evolution" ? The "brown" plastic ones (1st issue) were bakelite (some sort of resin, with powdered sawdust as a filler), and had no form of reinforcement ribbing....the "black" plastic" were also a form of bakelite, but used glass fibers for "filler", and added ribs...in several configurations over the years ? Were the "metal" spools always (from day one) available as an option on the"regular" 49 reels ? And, again an assumption, metal spools were never made for the "A" series, so they remained either "brown", or "black" plastic, throughout the run ? Thanks !
Metal spool for a standard 49 first became available in 1950
Ted
If you want wide metal spool, I suggest moving up to the 349. Then you can get the Wahoo Special wide version and have the option of fast or slow gearing.
Another 49 question, but on a different reel: I'm "attempting" to convert one to "left hand".....got the gear set from a guy on e bay, and the "bridge / sleeve assy., and star, dog and spring assy., and a 'left and" eccentric spring" from Mystic. According to the way I read the info on Mystic's site, the head plate (right hand) will work, so, I'm utilizing the original from the reel I'm converting. 1st problem is the "left hand star" won't thread very far down the "left hand" sleeve ...it starts fine, but when it reaches the point that the "handle flats" are fully exposed, it gets TIGHT ! Examining the treads on the sleeve, at the point they get tight, the tops of the threads appear "flattened off"....like maybe the tread isn't "deep enough". I'm thinking that I'll contact Mystic, and query them on the issue, and probably order another left hand sleeve, while I'm at it....as I'm *sure* the issue is the sleeve thread (external), rather than the star thread (internal). I may try a little work with a thread -pitch file, to see if that might remedy the problem ( I don't have left handed threading tools , in that size/ pitch, to use as chasers). That's "problem #1, problem #2....at least I think its a problem, as I'm not understanding it, is, the eccentric spring I received....a "left hand" one, *appears to be identical to the one already in the reel, and I'm wondering if the spring (left handed) is only used on a true, left hand head plate ? And, if you use a "right hand" head plate, the spring is the same ? I haven't played around trying to change the spring, or even to see how the eccentric actuates the dog (I'm still doing "bridge/ sleeve" work !), so, it's possible the second issue will "solve itself"(or at least the "right way" will become apparent) when the bridge and dog are installed. If anybody has been down this road before...either a left handed conversion, or the "tight thread" issue, any tips would be appreciated !
there is a collection of left handed reels for sale here, not sure if they are still avsailable or if they can be shipped to the US??
http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=111002&forum_id=115
Look at the ciil on the spring is wound. I believe one is on top and the other on the bottom. On my conversion I noticed the same thing. It's been awhile so I'm not sure.
Mike
I received the "new" bridge / sleeve assembly, and got the reel put together, yesterday (I'll post a couple pix, later), and spent quite a while "eye balling", and "checking" the eccentric springs......I STILL see no difference between "what I had", and "what I got" ??? Anyway, the eccentric that dis-engages the dog works like it should, so I'm calling it "done", the only other issue was trying to figure out how the dog spring (which is "attached" to the LH dog) had to be positioned...that took a bit of "pondering" :D. The reel I started with was in "nearly new" condition...looked to have had very little use...except for the handle knob spindle being loose. When time permits, I have a "plan" to tighten those (if they aren't REALLY wobbled out!), and want to give it a try. I need to try to find one of the "backwards" handles (where the "s-curve" in the arm is "swept" the other way), as I think it would look "better". The "backwards" handles for 49's that I have are all the older, no part #, coin - edge, style, with larger knobs.
Anyway, another "thank you" for the help, and to Mystic, for taking care of the issue !
The left hand "conversion"
Fred very kindly "fixed me up" with some original drag washers (Thanks, again, Fred!!), and some trim rings, so, I took advantage of a "rain day" , yesterday, and started assembly of the '38 model 49. At some point in it's life, it looked like the "crud' was sandpapered off....LOTS of scratches ! They buffed out , pretty well, on the plates...the handle...not so much :-\. Anyway, when I get a "correct" spool, I can buckle it up, and call it done.
What spool you looking for Crow?
Ted (Maxed out) is sending me a "brown plastic" (I guess it's really bakelite) spool....that, as far as I've heard, anyway, would be the "correct" one for the age of the reel.
That's going to look real Schmick when finished Crow, Luv that style handle.
Don't forget a completed Pic with the plastic spool, it will be a cool looking reel for sure...
Col
Received a box from Ted, just a few minutes ago....what a treasure trove ! The "correct" spool for the old 49......a jar of "home canned" albacore.....A whole slew of surfmaster parts...in a surfmaster BOX, plus, a #8 catalog !! :o. I'll *try* to attach a pic, but, my "usual" computer , as well as my "spare" "usual" computer , are in the shop, so....this may not work!
Success !! and, Thank You, Ted!!
You need to set that jar aside for a special occasion. Ted's tuna is something special.
The Man
Finally, the brown spool finds a rightful home. I've had that spool for about 15 years. My dad used to repair reels and he would add newer spools to older reels, not knowing that the reels may have been ancient artifacts. Thanks to Mike's book we now have knowledge to do things era correct
Ted
Nothing like a package from Ted!
QuoteThanks to Mike's book we now have knowledge to do things era correct
Thank you Ted!
I just received my copy ! Been too busy for a "read', but a "scan" tells me there's lots to learn, inside !!
Well, thanks to Fred, and Ted.....it's a "done deal"!!! It's not a "pristine example", but it's not bad.....for something this old !
Nice reel!
That's a better example than the one in my case.
Hi Crow,
Well done!! (and Ted and Fred!!)
Now that is a reel to be proud of - that old girl looks positively radiant!!
Cheers
Martin
Well done Crow she sure looks the part ;)
Regards
AC49
It appears there is no yardage stamping on the foot, did that come later or am I just missing it with old eyes?
Thanks
Great job Crow. Happy to see the brown spool in its proper place.
Lookin' good Crow. Ted always helps make these reels right...while surprising one with bonus goodies! 8)
There is a 49a with a black torpedo handle for sale at our local pawn shop for R249 = +- $17, it looks in pretty good nick. Is that a good price? I am not sure if anyone here would be interested in it, will have to ship it from South Africa. I unfortunately forgot to take a photo of it. Let me know.
Cheers,
Leon
Buy it! You won't find much cheaper than that.
Dom
I really don't want it I am not a reel collector I only buy reels I fish with. But I do know many people here will appreciate it. Good to know it is a good price
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There is a 49a with a black torpedo handle for sale at our local pawn shop for R249 = +- $17, it looks in pretty good nick. Is that a good price? I am not sure if anyone here would be interested in it, will have to ship it from South Africa. I unfortunately forgot to take a photo of it. Let me know.
Cheers,
Leon
Do you know if the "A" marking is molded into the logo on the head plate, like this? If it is I would be interested.
I will try and check again this week and also find out about shipping. I have already one person very keen on it. The 49a marking is the rarer one? They do seem to be getting scarcer the 49's. Our other junk shop has got two 49s at the moment but no 49a for some time.
Herewith some pics, it has some green corrosion, it feels pretty slick though with decent freespool
They had this beast for sale as well, a Senator II 114 H with a red spool, same price R249 or around $17. It definitely seems like the bearings on this one are toast though.
Wow, just saw this.
Great find on both reels..... the 114h for $17 is unheard of.....The spool alone is worth $50
I haven't seen such a red spool reel before, is it an anniversary edition? In hindsight maybe I should have just bought them and could have got them as far as Canada when my brother visits again. I know a tackle trader that goes to the US quite a lot, but he is usually loaded to the hilt when he goes over. Alas they are most likely sold and being fished totally into the ground on a subsistence or commercial boat.
It just popped up, for me , too ! ???
Hi
I own 2 Penn #49 Reels. I'm looking to upgrade these two. I've already upgraded to carbon drag washers and steel main gear. I'm looking to upgrade the bridge and gear sleeve. I'm having trouble finding either for a " #49 " . Is there another reel that uses same parts?
Thanks,
Pete
Here are a couple of reference charts that I use on Penn's that can help you with cross over parts. I still fish the 49's, I just upgrade my drags tie off the drag release to the cross post with some twine so an inexperienced guest doesn't end up with broken knuckles. What are you chasing? The 49 is pretty rugged, Penn widened it for the South African market (49A) in the 50's before the 114H existed and it worked for 100 # Yellowfin off the rocks.
Thank you CuttyHunker
Unfortunately I can't seem to open/download those files on my iPhone🤷🏼♂️
I don't have a home P.C. and my work computer has restrictions
Does anyone know of a site or list that doesn't require downloading
Thanks
Pete
They're very simple PDF files, I can see both already downloaded multiple times, talk to your IT guy at work, or anyone you know with a desk or laptop machine to pull them in and print out for you. Both are a total of about a dozen pages combined In the unlikely event you strike out I could snail them out or convert to jpeg.
Couple months back a nice pre war 49 came my way. This one appears to be 1941/42 time frame. I see a lot of early 49's on eBay, but most show fair amounts of use. A few things I look for besides no part #'s and coin edge CB, is how original are all the components. Does the patina match up. Everything on this reel checked out 2 thumbs up. I doubt this 49 ever saw saltwater. Notice the rivets for the counterbalance and the knob are both like new. These rivets are the first areas prone to corrosion. Also the click button, and the gear sleeve collar. These are a non replaceable parts, unless the whole sideplate is replaced. Knowing what to look for will keep you from getting stung on a used Penn reel purchase
That is a mint 49 Ted...fantastic grab! 8)
That's a beauty Ted! :o
Good Ted, really nice reel, very kind of you to forward your info, keep well, stay safe, cheers Don.
Great catch !
That is a beauty!
Very nice find there Ted !!
Anyone have a stand or know where I can obtain one? Restoring a 49L and the stand is bent. Also need handle side outer ring. Having a tough time sourcing these.
I answered you other thread. shoot me a PM.
Todd
Too tired to limb back to the shop to see if I have the ring, but I do have the seat. Bill
I have a stand and a ring. Pm your address and I can put them in the mail.
Maybe I'm dreaming but didn't that reel also come with a fresh water stand at one point?
Swami, I've seen the fresh stand on the smaller stuff like the 9 but never the 49, but like Mike C. says.............
I've never seen an X49 deep sea reel that had an "F" designation in their #30 descriptions or box labels. I took a quick look through some catalogs and didn't see a 30-49F for any model or a footnote about making a choice when ordering.
I didn't check 249, but probably no "F" there either.
Many folks took a file, hammer, drill etc. to reel stands and made 'em work.
That doesn't remove all possibilities, though. Swing back the curtain a little more and look at the trade reels. I don't think there were more than a couple.
Harry, the reel seat went out today, should at your door step by Wednesday. Bill
Quote from: Bill B on August 19, 2022, 09:41:17 PMHarry, the reel seat went out today, should at your door step by Wednesday. Bill
Thanks,Bill.i wound up ordering the ring from Mystic. They still had it in stock.here she is on her way back from garage oblivion20220820_145757.jpg
I was going through this thread looking at (LEARNING) the variants of the 49 and didn't see a photo of a complete breakdown. Hopefully, this one might help. It's probably mentioned, but remembering the orientation of the eccentrics and their springs is important. Pictures or another reel will help.
These tall narrow reels seem to capture quite a few collectors. As for restoration, the early 24-49 handles can be elusive in good condition and NOS vented spools are mostly hoarded away. Most other standard parts are still available and reasonable.
If you're new to collecting this class of reels, this thread will educate you. I know I appreciate it!
Quote from: Maxed Out on August 19, 2020, 08:26:01 PMCouple months back a nice pre war 49 came my way. This one appears to be 1941/42 time frame. I see a lot of early 49's on eBay, but most show fair amounts of use. A few things I look for besides no part #'s and coin edge CB, is how original are all the components. Does the patina match up. Everything on this reel checked out 2 thumbs up. I doubt this 49 ever saw saltwater. Notice the rivets for the counterbalance and the knob are both like new. These rivets are the first areas prone to corrosion. Also the click button, and the gear sleeve collar. These are a non replaceable parts, unless the whole sideplate is replaced. Knowing what to look for will keep you from getting stung on a used Penn reel purchase
Can't believe I missed this. Some special detailed tips from a "great find" master. Thanks Ted.