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I've noticed some of the 110's have a yellow knob. Are these more collectible than the white knob versions? Are they older/newer?
Knob color is no way to tell a reel's date. Go for reels with non numbered parts for collectibility or New Old Stock reels as they go up in value as well.
I started to with 60's, 70's, and 80's reels then figured it out... just trying to save you some time and dough,
Dom
I've been wanting to acquire that tiniest Senator of them all for some time now, I finally picked one up. Just a few scratches on the outside, but the inside looks so clean, almost unused. Still has the original leather drag in great shape, and all steel gears. But, I was surprised that it does not have ball bearings like its big brothers.
I'm keeping it all stock unless I can find a bargain on a lighter spool one of these days. I bought this for inshore bottom fishing so the stock leather drag is fine. All in all, it's a sweeet little reel as is, a keeper for sure. Looks like I'm regressing in my choice of gear lately, going "old school". ;D ::)
Really nice. My grandfather taught us to condition the leather drags with mink oil to preserve them. I've never tested the drag #s with oil.
Ron
Quote from: Ron Jones on March 11, 2018, 12:21:21 PM
My grandfather taught us to condition the leather drags with mink oil to preserve them.
I've heard several folks here who I trust say oiling the leather drags helps them. This is in contrast to what reel manufacturers say, but they also say to run carbontex dry, and we all know greasing them works best. I have noticed in my experiments that leather drags are smooth up to higher settings, they only become unstable when maxed. At midrange they perform pretty good.
Quote from: nelz on March 11, 2018, 05:59:04 AM
I'm keeping it all stock unless I can find a bargain on a lighter spool one of these days.
You might want to check Pro Challenger's website. Alan has some sweet 501 spools to fit your 1/0. His price is comparable to used spools on eBay, but his are new, and come in great colors. Great lookin' 1/0 you have there. 8)
https://squareup.com/market/pro-challenger-llc/item/jigmaster-aluminum-spool
That's a beauty, Keep meaning to trick one out for fishing.
I have 501 aluminum spools from penn, newell, tiburon and pro challenger. The PC ones are a very nice product, my 1st choice out of the 4, great color selection too. Nothing wrong with the others though.
Might want to consider upgrading the drags. Section 58301 of Murphy's law clearly states that big fish of the day will hit the reel needing a drag upgrade, A couple of sawbucks is a pretty good investment for a set of HT100's.
I lightly greased the leather with Cal's and it seems to have worked well, at least in my living room for now, we'll see. I'll have CF disks on hand for the next time I crack her open, but that dog/spring was such a pain to put back that I'll just stick to the leather until it goes.
Btw, I just looked at schematics for the 4/0 and I don't see any ball bearings there either. Never worked on Senators before, but I always thought they had BB's?
These mini-Senators are really cool looking!
Hi Nelz, nice reel alright, in the shearing gear, they used to have, leather cones, running against steel drive wheels, the best way to get the leather, to grip to the metal, was to dress it with Neets foot oil, the leather really sokes it in, you would think it wood slip more, but it actually grips real good, and preserves the leather, stops it from cracking, the grease maybe working for now, but long turm, the grease may damage it, cheers Don.
Hi Don
Well it`s great to hear neetsfoot oil is good for something. We old sign writers use grease to keep the sable/ox hairs on our small brushes that we use for enamel, in good condition.
I was given some bad advice once to put neetsfoot oil on the brushes instead. Well, it might have been good for the hairs, but it ate the chrome off the ferrules down to the brass in very short time.
By the way, what is a neet?
cheers
Greg
Hi Greg, thanks for that info, I did not know it attacked chrome, pay to keep it away from chrome rings then, but if will soke into the leather, there would not be any run off, that is neet, thanks again cheers Don.
Summary of pertinent information from Wikipedia article here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neatsfoot_oil)
Neatsfoot oil is a yellow oil rendered and purified from the shin bones and feet (but not the hooves) of cattle. "Neat" in the oil's name comes from an old English word for cattle.[1] Neatsfoot oil is used as a conditioning, softening and preservative agent for leather.
Modern neatsfoot oil is still made from cattle-based products, and is sometimes criticized for a tendency to speed oxidation of leather.[2] This formulation does darken leather, which means that use on light-colored leather is likely to change its color. If mineral oil or other petroleum-based material is added, the product may be called "neatsfoot oil compound".[3] Some brands have also been shown to be adulterated with rapeseed oil, soya oil, and other oils.[4] The addition of mineral oils may lead to more rapid decay of non-synthetic stitching or speed breakdown of the leather itself.[3][5][6]
Neatsfoot oil is used on a number of leather products, although it has been replaced by synthetic products for certain applications. Items such as baseball gloves, saddles, horse harnesses and other horse tack can be softened and conditioned with neatsfoot oil.
If used on important historical objects, neatsfoot oil (like other leather dressings) can oxidize with time and contribute to embrittling.[7] It also may leave an oily residue that can attract dust. On newer leather, it may cause darkening (even after a single application), thus may not be a desirable product to use when the maintenance of a lighter shade is desired. Neatsfoot oil is more useful for routine use on working equipment.
Neatsfoot oil is often used to oil sign-writers' brushes that have been used in oil-based paint, as this oil is non drying and can be easily washed out with solvent at any time. Oiling the brushes reduces the buildup of pigment in the ferrule, the metal part that many brushes have to hold the hairs in place.
Very interesting Sid. Thank you for this.
Greg
that's what we used to break in baseball glove. then we rubber banded a ball in the pocket where we wanted the cup to be
Quote from: broadway on March 07, 2018, 09:00:39 PM
Knob color is no way to tell a reel's date.
Dom is right. I've not seen a handle knob make much of a difference in a reel's value with very few exceptions. Knob colors mean nothing. Knob styles can make a difference, as can counterbalance styles.
Quote from: thorhammer on March 12, 2018, 10:39:06 PM
that's what we used to break in baseball glove. then we rubber banded a ball in the pocket where we wanted the cup to be
and slept with it in the bed...
Quote from: nelz on March 11, 2018, 02:23:52 PMI lightly greased the leather with Cal's and it seems to have worked well, at least in my living room for now, we'll see. I'll have CF disks on hand for the next time I crack her open, but that dog/spring was such a pain to put back that I'll just stick to the leather until it goes.
Well , the Cal's on leather experiment was a flop, the drag got jerky when increased it to the needed level. I should have used oil as they did in the old days. I cleaned the leather disks and put them away. The reel now has greased HT100 and it's great.
I still think (properly oiled) the leather would have been good though. But since I had the HT100's ready to go, I didn't bother.
You live and learn.
Ron
Quote from: nelz on March 23, 2018, 09:14:52 PM
Well , the Cal's on leather experiment was a flop, the drag got jerky when increased to the needed level.
My greased leather experiments mirror yours Nelz. I got "decent" results with Penn blue, but at the end of the day, greased Carbon fiber is hard to top. 8)
Love my new mini-Senator, but been wanting to do something about that old-school knob. Now a blue spool would be just the ticket!
Quote from: nelz on April 15, 2018, 03:15:56 AM
Love my new mini-Senator, but been wanting to do something about that old-school knob. Now a blue spool would be just the ticket!
I bet you've already seen these...just the ticket!
https://squareup.com/market/pro-challenger-llc/item/jigmaster-aluminum-spool
Now I'm wonderin bout Mink oil. Seems to work so well on leather boots, shoes and my adult-guy baseball glove. Can't live with oxidation though, especially on my leather drag washers from old reels.
Ok, be honest... too blingy??? ::)
Looks great :D and on a red white and blue rod fantastic ;D
I like it! 8)
Looks like orange, I like it, good contrast with the blue knob.
Not at all. Definitely not compared to some I've seen. Them colors don't run buddy!, now go out get 'em...
I understand the 2/0 is the same size as the 85, 285, and LB 60.
Which of the less expensive reels are same size as the 110-1/0 or have interchangable parts?
Actually the spool's orange. I guess some monitors make it look red. Red white and blue would've been pretty cool too though!
The 501 is pretty close,some parts are the same, I believe the spool and frame parts, likely a few others
Quote from: festus on May 02, 2018, 03:03:58 AM
I understand the 2/0 is the same size as the 85, 285, and LB 60.
Which of the less expensive reels are same size as the 110-1/0 or have interchangable parts?
Yes, what Swami805 said is correct, but the 501 has Jigmaster end-plates and internals which are different from the 110. The 501's drag is bigger, (and not sure if it's any cheaper).
Quote from: festus on May 02, 2018, 03:03:58 AM
I understand the 2/0 is the same size as the 85, 285, and LB 60.
Which of the less expensive reels are same size as the 110-1/0 or have interchangable parts?
99 and 259
Quote from: nelz on May 02, 2018, 02:16:15 AM
Ok, be honest... too blingy??? ::)
Not at all, it looks sweet!
Sal
Thanks y'all. I've always liked how Blue/ORANGE go together but it can be a little gaudy, lol. 8)
Btw, just an FYI, the PRO Challenger spool does narrow the 110 quite a bit. The original chrome spool holds alot more line. Not an issue for my intended purposes though. But they sure do come in some nice colors!
You a Mets fan? Nice color combo, but that knob looks like it may be a bit uncomfortable. You don;t see many dressed up 1/0's and God knows I love me some 1/0's!
Sweet reel,
Dom
Quote from: nelz on May 02, 2018, 03:45:01 PM
Thanks y'all. I've always liked how Blue/ORANGE go together but it can be a little gaudy, lol. 8)
Btw, just an FYI, the PRO Challenger spool does narrow the 110 quite a bit. The original chrome spool holds alot more line. Not an issue for my intended purposes though. But they sure do come in some nice colors!
Florida fan, no doubt. ;D Cool looking reel, would be nice in orange and black, that's my high school alma mater's colors. ;)
Go Gators!
Quote from: broadway on May 02, 2018, 10:57:52 PMYou a Mets fan? Nice color combo, but that knob looks like it may be a bit uncomfortable. You don;t see many dressed up 1/0's and God knows I love me some 1/0's!
Sweet reel,
Dom
Nope, not into baseball at all. The knob worked out well, much better than the stock knob which I found very uncomfortable. Plus it has 2 ball bearings. ;D
Well the weather's been stormy and I decided to do the next customization on this reel today. It's something I've been wanting to do ever since I got the aluminum spool and realized casting didn't improve as much as I had hoped. Although I bought this reel mainly for just drop down bottom fishing, I've had several occasions when casting was called for, and it did not turn out well. :-\
So... what I had in mind to do next was add magnetic cast control. Today I got around to it. I crazy-glued in two small neodymium magnets into the sideplate and covered them with epoxy to prevent corrosion. These little magnets will corrode very badly in the salt without protection.
Well, it's not adjustable, but it should do the trick, we'll see. Pics are before they were epoxy coated:
Nice! That otta be just the ticket!
Quote from: nelz on May 02, 2018, 03:55:06 AM
Quote from: festus on May 02, 2018, 03:03:58 AM
I understand the 2/0 is the same size as the 85, 285, and LB 60.
Which of the less expensive reels are same size as the 110-1/0 or have interchangable parts?
Yes, what Swami805 said is correct, but the 501 has Jigmaster end-plates and internals which are different from the 110. The 501's drag is bigger, (and not sure if it's any cheaper).
FWIW, the 110 pinion and main gears are the same as the SurfMaster's.
Anybody ever seen one like this? Plastic spool? It sold on eBay in a few minutes (bet somebody here bought it). ;D
Whoever put it together didn't know know how to assemble that reel by putting the eccentric lever on backwards.
Quote from: RowdyW on December 02, 2019, 04:01:36 PMWhoever put it together didn't know know how to assemble that reel by putting the eccentric lever on backwards.
True but it looks like a collectible oddity. It has no part numbers, a plain counter-weight, and a spool I've never seen on a 1/0. I was tempted to buy it but am trying to cut down. ::)
I saw it and I do not think that is a plastic spool. It looks either unplated or the original plating is gone.
Quote from: 1badf350 on December 02, 2019, 04:33:20 PM
I saw it and I do not think that is a plastic spool.
I zoomed on the pics and you can see corrosion on it.
No member here bought that,,,, :D my girlfriend did,,,, ;) hehe,,,,,I think it might be aluminum spool,,,,, ;D
I saw it as well, and passed only because I have a few already. It was priced fairly well, so I don't think your girl did to bad. It should clean up nicely.
That being said, if the spool has a "coating" of some kind on it that can't be removed then it'll cost ya a few bucks for original. I suspect it will clean up and is just superficial.
The reel is a 40's model for sure. Mo, is correct, the corrosion is there so it's not a plastic spool.
Take some before and after photos... I think that reel will look completely different if you can put the "Mo Treatment" on it. ;)
Best,
Dom
It looks like Mo is getting the "Mo Treatment" reputation. Way to go Mo. Dominick
Quote from: broadway on December 02, 2019, 06:00:43 PM
I think that reel will look completely different if you can put the "Mo Treatment" on it. ;)
Best,
Dom
The "Mo Treatment"...hee hee...good one fellas! I think Dom is right though, this reel has the potential to look very good. Maybe some less corroded posts, and hit the rings and stand with Brasso. Polishing with Brasso makes those little yellow spots look more silvery...it can really help the appearance. 8)
Quote from: broadway on December 02, 2019, 06:00:43 PM
I saw it as well, and passed only because I have a few already. It was priced fairly well, so I don't think your girl did to bad. It should clean up nicely.
That being said, if the spool has a "coating" of some kind on it that can't be removed then it'll cost ya a few bucks for original. I suspect it will clean up and is just superficial.
The reel is a 40's model for sure. Mo, is correct, the corrosion is there so it's not a plastic spool.
Take some before and after photos... I think that reel will look completely different if you can put the "Mo Treatment" on it. ;)
Best,
Dom
thanks my friend,,,,,, ;) the seller was out of Philadelphia,,, :D but I wonder who won the 286,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: mo65 on December 02, 2019, 06:16:51 PM
Polishing with Brasso makes those little yellow spots look more silvery...it can really help the appearance. 8)[/color]
He's the best, but there seems to be a lot of nuance to the Mo Treatment. Now if he would explain how he lights his photos.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on December 02, 2019, 07:23:02 PM
Now if he would explain how he lights his photos.
-steve
I wish it was a more complex secret lighting Steve, it would add to my "guru" image. Unfortunately, like many of my other techniques, it's dumbfoundingly simple: Four 60 watt bulbs in the ceiling fan and the window blind opened. 8)
Quote from: Benni3 on December 02, 2019, 04:55:56 PMNo member here bought that,,,, :D my girlfriend did,,,, ;) hehe,,,,,I think it might be aluminum spool,,,,, ;D
Your girlfriend??? Does she collect or is it a Christmas present for someone she knows
who does? ::) So Benni, let us know the scoop on that spool.
I thought for sure Chris had bought it, lol.
Hey Mo, he looks just like you. ;D
Quote from: mo65 on December 02, 2019, 07:39:26 PM
Four 60 watt bulbs in the ceiling fan and the window blind opened.
I knew it would be complicated.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on December 03, 2019, 04:45:21 AM
Quote from: mo65 on December 02, 2019, 07:39:26 PM
Four 60 watt bulbs in the ceiling fan and the window blind opened.
I knew it would be complicated.
-steve
;D ;D ;D ;D Dominick
Just came in today,,,,, :D it's in ok shape not bad,,,, ;) but the two front posts and I think I got some,,,,, :) the spool looks like plane steel,,,,,,,, ;D
The seller must've been a professional photographer cause he didn't put a spotlight on that brassing like you have.
Get that line off, clean that spool up and show us. Looks unplated from here, and hope the spool under the line looks as good as the visible portion of the spool.
Clean her up and see what ya got.
Best,
Dom
I've had similar spools from this era, and they have some kind of thin clear coating on the spool. It seems to keep most the corrosion from happening
Quote from: broadway on December 05, 2019, 02:09:23 AM
The seller must've been a professional photographer cause he didn't put a spotlight on that brassing like you have.
Get that line off, clean that spool up and show us. Looks unplated from here, and hope the spool under the line looks as good as the visible portion of the spool.
Clean her up and see what ya got.
Best,
Dom
I just pulled the line off and some of it broke off it was so old,,,, :) it's a three piece both sides looks great but the middle has corrosion,,,but no rust,,, ;) I'm socking with cleaning wax right now,,,,, ;D
i like it!
That white pasty stuff on the arbor looks more like aluminum corrosion than brass or steel corrosion. Scratch at it with a knife and see what's underneath.
-steve