Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Daiwa Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: alantani on December 07, 2008, 08:35:21 AM



Title: sealine 50h
Post by: alantani on December 07, 2008, 08:35:21 AM
these are great little 30# reels. to rebuild the old daiwa sealine 50h, you need four penn ht-100 drag washers.  one is part #6-855 from the old discontinued penn 855 line counter.  three are part #6-114, from the black side plate 6/0 penn 114.    i just now found this great place called mike's reel repair while i was looking for the schematic for this reel.  here's the link to the schematic.  thank you mike, wherever you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.mikesreelrepair.com/schematics/schematic.php?url=Daiwa/Daiwa%20SL50H.pdf

here's a photo of a 50h from a good friend of mine.

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0857.JPG)

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0858.JPG)

 the first thing i like to do with these is pull the left ring and grease it underneath, then grease all the screw holes.

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0859.JPG)

the left ring goes back on, and the right side plate comes off.    three side plate screws is all you need. 

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0860.JPG)

lube the left side plate bearing, put a little grease on the clicker and spring.  next to come off are the the handle lock screw (key #52), the handle screw (key #51), the handle (key #50), the handle washer (key #49), the star drag (key #48) and the drag spring washers (key #47).

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0861.JPG)

back out the four set plate screws (key #35).  at this point, the reel goes "boing" and you're committed!

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0862.JPG)

boing!  lube the right side plate bearing now. 

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0863.JPG)

here's a shot of the jack assembly after it has been cleaned up, and the drag washer assembly prior to cleaning.  note all of the oil in the drag washers.  it was no wonder the drags were sticky. 

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0864.JPG)

now i've cleaned everything up and switched out the stock drag washers for the penn ht-100 drag washers.  the drag washers are still dry at this point. 

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0865.JPG)

the drag washers were then greased and set plate assembly was put back together. it's a basic three-stack similar to what you see in the jack erskine picture below.  thank you, mr. erskine!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/dragsetsm2.gif)

the four set plate screws (key # 35) go back in.

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0866.JPG)

place your left index and middle fingers over the four screws and flip the side plate over.  with your fingers covering and holding the screws in place, you can work with the side plate and not worry about the screws falling out.  same with the penns.

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0867.JPG)

install the two clutch springs (key #26).

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0868.JPG)

install the pinion yoke (key #25) and the pinion gear (key #21) as a unit.

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0869.JPG)

install the eccentric jack (key #24). 

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0870.JPG)

install the set plate/gear/drag washer assembly as a unit and rotate it 90 degrees counter clockwise from it's final position. 

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0871.JPG)

install the anti-reverse claw (key #33).

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0872.JPG)

rotate the set plate assembly 90 degrees clockwise and push it down and in place.

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0873.JPG)

tighten down the set plate screws.

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0874.JPG)

install the anti-reverse claw spring (key #32).

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0875.JPG)

install the all part key #'s 46 through 52 in order and you're done!  congratulations, it's miller time.  with this particular reel, i drilled out the old grip and installed one of my custom off-set tapered grips.  i spooled it up with 30# mono and got a max of 15#'s of drag at the top of the spool.  i backed off the drags, boxed it up and sat down to type this report.  elapsed time, 2 hours.   

(http://www.senortuna.com/pics/data/500/medium/100_0876.JPG)


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Squirmypug on February 12, 2012, 12:13:24 PM
I just replaced the drag in my 50h and can only get 9lbs of drag any ideas why I can't get the 15lbs you can?I used the same washers that you did but could not get the washer for under the gear, there I used one of the plastic type washers found under alot of main gears.I don't think that would cause less drag but I'm not sure.The other thought I had is that maybe my reel is spooled with more line (I spooled it all the way up to the red lines on the spool). I also added a second fiber washer with the top washer to make the spacer sleeve stand higher so the star wouldn't bottom out and still only 9lbs of drag. Thanks for any ideas  :)


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: alantani on February 12, 2012, 06:13:21 PM
send a pm with your address and request a #6-855 drag washer and i will send one out to you. 


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Squirmypug on February 16, 2012, 02:56:40 PM
Just got home and found the washer in the mail.  ;D Will put it in the reel in just a min and check the drag. Thanks Alan!


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Squirmypug on February 16, 2012, 03:22:13 PM
Got it installed in less than 10 mins and checked it on the scale and was able to get 15lbs of drag.  :)


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: bb2fish on January 07, 2013, 01:41:27 PM
Are the HT-100 washers in your rebuild, the same thickness as the factory washers in the 50h?   The 3 old washers I have from my Sealine 50h are 0.06" thick each.

I bought some 6B-965 HT-100 washers for a Penn965, these have similar OD and ID, but they are only 0.04" thick.  Guess I'm reluctant to use three of these if they're not going to add up to the correct thickness for the Daiwa 50h.

I'm naive enough to ask if HT-100 is just the material name, or if HT-100 also is a specific size used in many different reels. 
Will the 6B-965 washer work in the Sealine 50h?

Barb


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: alantani on January 07, 2013, 04:50:16 PM
they are not the same thickness, but they are close enough.  early on, all we had were penn drag washers.  just had to hobble together something that would work. 


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: marc77 on January 13, 2013, 06:15:03 PM



I rebuilt the drag on my Daiwa Sealine 350H reel, which is very similar to the 50H.

I used 4 Penn HT-100 (size 114) washers.  The first drag washer that goes inside the gear must be doubled. 

If you just use one washer there, the thickness of the Penn washer is not thick enough for it to clear the ridge in the center of the gear (around the hole).  This will cause the first keyed metal washer to touch that ridge and there will not be any drag produced by that first washer.  To compensate for this, I used 2 Penn washers together and that worked great.  The doubled Penn washers are only needed at the location which is in contact with the inside of the gear.  Single Penn washers are used thereafter.

I hope this helps.





Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Keta on January 13, 2013, 06:26:16 PM



I rebuilt the drag on my Daiwa Sealine 350H reel, which is very similar to the 50H.

I used 4 Penn HT-100 (size 114) washers.  The first drag washer that goes inside the gear must be doubled. 

If you just use one washer there, the thickness of the Penn washer is not thick enough for it to clear the ridge in the center of the gear (around the hole).  This will cause the first keyed metal washer to touch that ridge and there will not be any drag produced by that first washer.  To compensate for this, I used 2 Penn washers together and that worked great.  The doubled Penn washers are only needed at the location which is in contact with the inside of the gear.  Single Penn washers are used thereafter.

I hope this helps.

Hopefuly this will be a non problem in the near future.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Mike La Franchie on January 21, 2013, 07:25:44 PM
Is the frame on the 50H aluminuim or graphite?

I have opportunity to buy either a Senator 113H (US made) or a Sealine 50H.

Any recommendations here?


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: alantani on January 21, 2013, 09:54:59 PM
the frame is aluminum. these reels are all very nice, but they would benefit greatly from a 5 drag conversion and a larger handle grip.  the 50 is about the size of a 2/0 or 3/0.  the 113h that you have a 4/0 size, so it is quite a bit larger.  both are fine.  it depends more on you line capacity requirements. 


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Bryan Young on January 21, 2013, 10:00:44 PM
We have prototype metal drag washers. Just need the gear to see how it all fits and what will the final cf drag washers to use.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: bb2fish on January 22, 2013, 10:11:11 AM
What are the prototype metal washers?  Your drag stack would end up being metal on metal?


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Bryan Young on January 22, 2013, 10:54:12 AM
We had cut thinner metal washers mated with Carbontex or HT-100 carbon fiber drag washers to allow a 5+1 drag configuration.  I just don't exactly know how they fit because after we cut them, I haven't seen another sealine reel in for service. 


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Mike La Franchie on January 22, 2013, 11:51:14 AM
Thanks for the info.
I bought the 50h, and am going to upgrade the drag stack to CF.

When it arrives, I will measure the depth of the drag stack, and maybe I can trial the 5+1 configuration.

Thanks
Mike


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: mai tai on March 17, 2013, 02:30:02 PM
We had cut thinner metal washers mated with Carbontex or HT-100 carbon fiber drag washers to allow a 5+1 drag configuration.  I just don't exactly know how they fit because after we cut them, I haven't seen another sealine reel in for service. 

I have a set of the thinner washers. It took a little adjustment to get them to fit over the gear shaft. Dawn at smoothdrag sent carbontex washers that fit tightly into the gear. She advised a light sanding of the outside edge to get them to fit. Maybe I should have taken a little bit more off as they were still pretty tight, but I was impatient and wanted to get the reel fishing. I guess I'll see what happens when I need to remove them.

I was able to real world test them on a bat ray of 87# and was quite pleased with how they performed.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: jayde561 on April 01, 2013, 06:58:53 AM
Any word on the 5+1 drag configuration for this Daiwa 50H?


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Bryan Young on April 01, 2013, 08:20:45 AM
We are experimenting with a set.  The problem is that our stack is a bit high and the drag is about 0.5# with the star backed off.  Will need to do some additional figuring.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: doradoben on April 03, 2013, 05:53:51 PM
With 5+1 drag washers what would you think is the heaviest line test that could be used on this reel considering the strength of the gearset??


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Bryan Young on April 03, 2013, 07:15:13 PM
I would say 50# max


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Keta on April 03, 2013, 08:24:55 PM
We are experimenting with a set.  The problem is that our stack is a bit high and the drag is about 0.5# with the star backed off.  Will need to do some additional figuring.

How thick are the CF washers, Dawn has .020 washers that can be reworked.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Bryan Young on April 03, 2013, 08:38:50 PM
I'm not sure Lee.  I didn't have the right size of Carbontex and had to go with HT-100s.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Keta on April 03, 2013, 08:42:14 PM
Carbontex are all thicker, you can cure the problem with a quick call to Dawn.  That's how I'm getting 7+1 in 113H, 349H and 114H Penn reels.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: bluefish69 on April 24, 2013, 05:10:29 PM
I just picked up 2 - 50H. I ordered the Carbontex Drags from Dawn. Should I change the Bearing also? What size bearings should I use if needed? I will be calling Daiwa because I need a Jack Handle because the button is missing.

Mike


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Bryan Young on April 24, 2013, 08:25:53 PM
The bearings come in the bearing caps. There's no other option unless you are willing to grind out the bearing from the caps. These bearings are great and last a long time. Every one that opened up is packed with grease.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: bluefish69 on April 24, 2013, 08:29:36 PM
Thanks Bryan

All I need is a Jack Handle


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: RowdyW on June 07, 2013, 05:56:21 PM
Bryan, any word yet on the 5 stack for the 50h? When can I get a set?    Rudy


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: floating doc on June 08, 2013, 06:56:48 PM
it's really exciting to see the old sealines getting attention.  I've caught more fish on my 50H than any reel I've
owned. It has had smoothies in it for years. I would love a  CF upgrade.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: RowdyW on June 10, 2013, 10:20:20 AM
I'm waiting for Bryan & Lee to cut the thinner metal washers for the 300h which are the same as the 50h & 350h, then we can have 5+1 setups in all of them.       Rudy


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: bluefish69 on August 21, 2013, 07:28:05 PM
Thanks Bryan

All I need is a Jack Handle


I still need a Jack Handle or Daiwa Phone #

Mike


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Bryan Young on August 21, 2013, 07:52:44 PM
I have the metal washers for the 50h. I need to check them and order CF washers. Ill get to them shortly. Too many projects and not enough time or money to do everything I want to do. 


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: RowdyW on August 21, 2013, 09:28:30 PM


I still need a Jack Handle or Daiwa Phone #

Mike
 Mike, call Daiwa at 800 736-4653     Rudy


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: bluefish69 on August 22, 2013, 05:00:10 AM
Thanks Rudy


Mike


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Bryan Young on August 22, 2013, 05:45:36 AM
Sorry folks, no 50h washers yet.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: pcde123 on September 14, 2013, 05:16:51 PM
just got my hands on a 50h, pretty excited to try to work on it, this is now gonna be my 4th reel to open up, im reall starting to enjoy doing this, bryan have you finished up on the drag testings???? if not im probably gonna just stick with the ht-100, should i buy new metal washers as well?, im planning to combo it with a 12ft ugly stick,


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: bluefish69 on September 14, 2013, 05:48:34 PM
just got my hands on a 50h, pretty excited to try to work on it, this is now gonna be my 4th reel to open up, im reall starting to enjoy doing this, bryan have you finished up on the drag testings???? if not im probably gonna just stick with the ht-100, should i buy new metal washers as well?, im planning to combo it with a 12ft ugly stick,

I just finished a 50H today. I used Carbonex Drag Washers 3+1 from Dawn. I also cleaned out the Bearing & greased them with Penn grease.

Mike


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: pcde123 on September 14, 2013, 06:25:22 PM
wait wasnt there an issue with the thickness?? the carbontex are too thin and this created problems,did u use the regular metal washers along with the carbontex? is it better to use carbontex or ht-100? i went ahead and pm'd dawn


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: bluefish69 on September 14, 2013, 06:47:37 PM
There was no issue with the Reg. Carbonex that I know of. I just finished 3 50H reel one after the other. There could have been a problem with the 5 stack system that was being designed & built.

Mike


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Keta on September 15, 2013, 08:58:58 PM
I put together 2 5+1 50T reels for a person that fishes hard 8-12 days a month and so far there have been no problems with them.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: pcde123 on September 17, 2013, 06:56:06 PM
did u use carbontex? and the stock metal washers


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: bluefish69 on September 17, 2013, 07:03:13 PM
If you are talking to me then. Yes I used stock everything except the washer under the Main Gear. For that I used what Dawn sent me a different size Carbonex Washer

Mike


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Fishermanny on May 01, 2014, 12:18:05 PM
I have a couple of questions on this reel. First, do you know what the gear ratio is? The inches of line per crank? Also, are the gears bronze, or stainless steel? I'm just wondering how strong this reel is. I have an older Penn which the bronze gear is starting to shear off. (It was my uncle's reel, and he used it for 30+ years). If it's not too different from my reel, then I won't bother buying one. (A local tackle store has a used one for sale for $40.)


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: floating doc on May 01, 2014, 07:29:18 PM
Partial answer: bronze gears, but still a very tough reel, just like all of the Sealine series.

4.2:1 ratio. A drag upgrade is really all these need. I've got the old smoothies in mine.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: kmstorm64 on May 08, 2014, 09:12:06 AM
How did the 5+1 come out.  I am interested, as I just found one and am looking to upgrade.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Bryan Young on May 08, 2014, 02:38:43 PM
I just got in the raw materials, and lost the Daiwa 50H metal washers...so nothing yet....where did those washers and gear go?


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: basto on May 09, 2014, 08:43:05 PM
I had one of these reels many years ago. Apart from drags and handgrips, have star drag reels got any better than this?

Full metal frame and side plates, sensible gear ratio, stainless ratchet and dog, stainless eccentric jack and gear plate and an adjustable handle length....oh, and a nice spring on the dog.
OK, I`m going to find one of these . It`s the next step in my "back to the past" mission.
Basto
  


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: bluefish69 on May 10, 2014, 08:18:22 AM
50H is one of the best

I worked deck on a Blue Fish boat & used these for the rental rods. We saw many tangles but very few reels broke down even with a bunch of Googans using them. I have a few that are ready to go at it again.

Mike


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: pcde123 on May 13, 2014, 10:32:50 AM
I just replaced the drag in my 50h and can only get 9lbs of drag any ideas why I can't get the 15lbs you can?I used the same washers that you did but could not get the washer for under the gear, there I used one of the plastic type washers found under alot of main gears.I don't think that would cause less drag but I'm not sure.The other thought I had is that maybe my reel is spooled with more line (I spooled it all the way up to the red lines on the spool). I also added a second fiber washer with the top washer to make the spacer sleeve stand higher so the star wouldn't bottom out and still only 9lbs of drag. Thanks for any ideas  :)
i had the same problem


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: basto on May 29, 2014, 05:00:29 PM
Well, I found one. Best $40.00 I have spent for a long time.
It had so much grease inside and out, the bearings are excellent.
Just need to get some drag washers now. (http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1020217_zps6edb3bd2.jpg)(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/BEFORE_zps6d4af9d2.jpg)(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/AFTER_zps42ed1339.jpg)(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/AFTER_zpsf526bab4.jpg)


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: bluefish69 on May 29, 2014, 05:07:00 PM
I bought the Carbon X Drag Washers from Dawn. I hung up the Phone & they were in my Mail Box.

Mike


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: basto on May 30, 2014, 07:01:30 PM
I bought the Carbon X Drag Washers from Dawn. I hung up the Phone & they were in my Mail Box.

Mike
I wish we had a Dawn in Australia.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: floating doc on May 30, 2014, 07:48:25 PM
I bought the Carbon X Drag Washers from Dawn. I hung up the Phone & they were in my Mail Box.

Mike
I wish we had a Dawn in Australia.

She ships world-wide, I believe.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Dave Bentley on June 03, 2014, 06:43:20 PM
I bought the Carbon X Drag Washers from Dawn. I hung up the Phone & they were in my Mail Box.

Mike
I wish we had a Dawn in Australia.

Mate, we do, her names Dawn and she's about 10 days away. She delivers quicker to Perth than Aust Post does from Perth to Mandurah about 70 kms away.

Her prices are also a lot better, including freight, than any Australian supplier of her product.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: floating doc on June 03, 2014, 06:55:28 PM
I bought the Carbon X Drag Washers from Dawn. I hung up the Phone & they were in my Mail Box.

Mike
I wish we had a Dawn in Australia.

Mate, we do, her names Dawn and she's about 10 days away. She delivers quicker to Perth than Aust Post does from Perth to Mandurah about 70 kms away.

Her prices are also a lot better, including freight, than any Australian supplier of her product.

None of this surprises me. Dawn has earned her reputation with stellar service, world-wide!


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: kmstorm64 on July 11, 2014, 02:17:34 PM
Finished the SL 50 H  finally.  Cleaned it up, lubed it , I used some leftover Penn drags I had, filed the inside holes slightly followed one of Alan's suggestions on another thread and placed a Penn Reel Seat on it  and a 3/0 handle on it.  Now I just need to spool it up!


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: floating doc on July 11, 2014, 04:39:05 PM
Finished the SL 50 H  finally.  Cleaned it up, lubed it , I used some leftover Penn drags I had, filed the inside holes slightly followed one of Alan's suggestions on another thread and placed a Penn Reel Seat on it  and a 3/0 handle on it.  Now I just need to spool it up!

Great! I love my Sealine reels. I just put one of Bryan's drag sets in my 600H for a snapper trip on Sunday.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: pullrachet on July 16, 2014, 05:46:14 PM
I just noticed some have permanent reel feet and some are removable (screwed-in). Any insight on this? Different batch perhaps?


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Rancanfish on September 29, 2014, 04:07:34 PM
This reel is still in my arsenal, untouched since the day you returned it.  I really have to fish more....


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: codisking on March 29, 2015, 11:39:58 AM
......... to rebuild the old daiwa sealine 50h, you need four penn ht-100 drag washers.  one is part #6-855 from the old discontinued penn 855 line counter.  three are part #6-114, from the black side plate 6/0 penn 114.......now i've cleaned everything up and switched out the stock drag washers for the penn ht-100 drag washers........

Do you happen to know what the dimensions are for these drag washers?
OD?
ID?
Thickness/Three Stack Thickness?


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: alantani on March 29, 2015, 12:36:33 PM
all dimensions are here!

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=1190.0


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: codisking on March 29, 2015, 02:15:11 PM
all dimensions are here!

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=1190.0

That looks great! However, it looks like a bearing list. Is there one for the ht-100 drag washers?


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: codisking on March 29, 2015, 03:35:28 PM
Yes, I found your list of HT-100's

https://www.mysticparts.com/Repair/Custom/Tani/DragWashers.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/Repair/Custom/Tani/DragWashers.aspx)

Thank you sir

"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: cj6530 on May 16, 2015, 06:05:52 PM
Just used this tutorial to replace the main gear.  When I tighten the 4 screws (re assembly) on the side plate to the gear system...it freezes the gear sleeve.  In short...I can't turn the handle.  It turns great 3/4 tight.  Any thoughts on what I am doing wrong?  Maybe stuff getting miss aligned with the final "90 degree turn" of the gear plate?


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: johndtuttle on May 16, 2015, 06:18:08 PM
Just used this tutorial to replace the main gear.  When I tighten the 4 screws (re assembly) on the side plate to the gear system...it freezes the gear sleeve.  In short...I can't turn the handle.  It turns great 3/4 tight.  Any thoughts on what I am doing wrong?  Maybe stuff getting miss aligned with the final "90 degree turn" of the gear plate?

Sounds like the Drag Stack may not be seating properly? Or, the under main gear washer is too thick and causing the gear to bind on the side plate?



Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: cj6530 on May 16, 2015, 07:43:24 PM
The washer under the new main gear wasn't seated properly. The main gear washer needs to be smaller diameter on the replacement main gear I received from Daiwa.  Dremel fixed that....and its now seated properly.  Everything works now.  Thanks. 


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: kmstorm64 on August 31, 2015, 11:23:02 AM
With the lubed fiber drags and metal washers, what can I expect for max drag?  After getting it spooled with some fresh mono, it seems weak for a reel that size.  I don't have a scale to measure it. But it feels weaker than my little Penn Surfmaster 100


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Rancanfish on September 01, 2015, 05:06:23 AM
I don't remember actual numbers, (check Alan T's tutorial), but the 50h when upgraded is pretty stout.

If it were me I'd pull it back apart and check the drag stack is seated properly. Especially the eared metal washer.

PS.  Everybody knows by now, but I like to brag, that is my 50h in the tutorial, done by the master himself all those years ago. So I know it smokes all my little surfmasters.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Mudman on November 24, 2015, 11:12:52 PM
I need to do this to my Sealine 350H. From what I have read, they are virtually the same as the 50H right? Stopped by a local tackle store today hoping they would have Ht-100 drags, but no luck. They did have a ton of Carbontex drags, although nothing for the Sealine.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Rancanfish on November 25, 2015, 07:02:29 AM
Your best bet is to measure the O.D. & I.D of your drags, then the thickness.  Then go to smoothdrags site and match them up as close as possible.  Sometimes you have to double them up two at a time to match the thick Daiwa ones.

If that is the same size as the 50h, Mr. Tani has an upgrade kit with washers and drags.  And the handle is sweet.

Have fun!


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Porthos on November 27, 2015, 05:40:25 PM
Contact Alan to see if he has the 6-114's...


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Mudman on November 28, 2015, 02:36:54 AM
Thanks everyone! I contacted Dawn and she had a kit for it, which I plan to order soon.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Threeweight on June 17, 2016, 11:34:26 AM
Howdy folks,

I am rebuilding a few of these reels to use as troll set ups for albacore here in Oregon.

Did anything ever come of the effort to build a 5 washer drag stack conversion for them?


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Bryan Young on June 17, 2016, 02:18:31 PM
Built a few kits but had quality and figment issues. Quality issues have been fixed. Figment issues still exist because of the variations of the main gear construction.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Threeweight on June 18, 2016, 01:20:11 PM
Thanks.  For now I think I'll do the straight Penn washer conversion.  Our albacore run 15-30# typically.
 
One interesting twist I came across... last summer I found a Daiwa Sealine 40HSD at a yard sale for $20.  Looked just like the 50H, and was in pristine shape, so I snapped it up.

Getting the old Daiwa's cleaned up, I opened it up the other day. Low and behold it shipped from the factory with a 5 stack drag (and a very different internal design).  Very very thin black washers (teflon maybe?)

Going to do some sluething online and see if the drag stack for the 40HSD is still available from Daiwa, or as parts anywhere else.  It seems significantly stouter in construction than the plan 50h.



Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Threeweight on June 21, 2016, 07:51:08 PM
With the #6-114 Penn HT 100's, have folks found the need to double up the bottom washer?  I went with singles in the two reels I did last night, and both seemed fine.  I don' t have scales, but they produced more drag than I could hold with my thumb... was nervous off brass main shaft rounding if I tightened any more.

Should I be worried about the drag washers compressing over time and bottoming out?

Another cool find... one of my reels was circa the mid-80's... it's internal components were entirely stainless steel, with the exception of the brass main shaft.  The only plastic on the entire reel was the handle knob.  Amazing how beefy these old reels are!


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: RowdyW on June 21, 2016, 08:07:08 PM
Threeweight, the earlier reels with grey frames had a main gear with a ring on the bottom and need a double stack of 114 washers on the bottom to clear the ridge. Later reels with black frames do not have that ridge and only need a single washer on the bottom. New replacement main gears all come without the ridge on all sizes of Sealines. The brass sleeves are quite strong & will take a lot of beating before they start to round off. Stainless replacements are on the drawing boards from members here. I hope I covered it all, if not we are here for your questions.     Rudy


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Threeweight on June 21, 2016, 10:09:28 PM
Thanks, Rudy.  All three of my 50h's are a dull blackish, or very dark gray, frame, and all had the small lip on the inside of the brass gear.  I pulled them all back apart tonight and doubled up on the bottom drag washer's, just in case.

Want to thank Alan and everyone on this site, I have used it many times over the years to serevice my Garcia Ambassadors, Shimano Tekotas, Penn 330's and 345's, etc...  I am just getting into tuna fishing with my own boat, and discovered the Daiwa 50h's thanks to Alan's original write up, and all the great comments and feedback about them.  I have about $80 into 4 reels (3 50h and done 40HSD), and another $25 in drag washers... I shudder to think what it would cost to buy 4 new reels of comparable construction! 


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: thorhammer on June 22, 2016, 03:24:03 AM
Pushing six bills.....nice score.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: ReelFishingProblems on August 24, 2016, 12:56:41 PM
fixing up an old 50H and putting the 4 HT-100s (1 under the gear) in it. Using it for kayak fishing for rockfish, lingcod, cabezon. What line style and weight would be best for this setup?

Thanks everyone,

Nick,
Monterey, Ca


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Porthos on August 24, 2016, 04:01:12 PM
Original factory specs says that the 300H/350H has 17.6 lbs drag. The 50H uses the SAME drag stack. With the 1/3 rule, 16.67 lbs would be the right setting for 50lb test. Since line running thru your rod guides under load imparts another 1-2 lbs of drag, setting the drag from top of spool to 14-15lbs would put you into the ballpark for 50lbs test.

50lb braid was what I had on my 50H. Could do 20, 25, 30, 40, and 50 lbs mono top shots.

If you went with 65lb braid and 1/4 rule, then you could do a 60lbs max top shot and get that much more abrasion resistance on the tag end. BUT with 60lbs on the tag end, could you EASILY break off the top shot from your kayak if you snagged bottom? May need to tie a 25 or 30lb break-off to your sinker...


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: ReelFishingProblems on August 24, 2016, 05:16:12 PM
Thanks for the good advice, I think I'll put 50lb braid/ 30lb mono. I never thought about bad snags before, guess that'll be fun.



Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: coores14 on October 28, 2016, 10:00:14 AM
I think I saw somewhere that the 250H uses the same drag stack as the 50H. Can anyone confirm? I just received a 250h that needs new drags and not sure which set I need to buy. No place lists the 250h in their carbon fiber specs.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Rancanfish on October 28, 2016, 01:14:33 PM
If you are referring to the SMF250H (Magforce), I'm pretty sure they do match. My notes say 30SH, 50H, 300H, 350H, SMF 170H, & SMF 250H. (#375-9903) 

If you are referring to the all graphite SL250H I'd vote no. (Part#375-9905)

You could always call Daiwa direct:  800-736-4653

Hope that helps.

Edit: Alan uses the drags for Penn 114 (for 114 black reel) I believe.

EDITED again: Added part numbers above, so note different #'s.  Drags and metal washers will be different in the two reels


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Porthos on October 28, 2016, 05:11:05 PM
Measure I.D. and O.D. of existing SL250H washers. Then go to smoothdrag.com and find a match. If no exact match, get ones that only require grinding down of the O.D. Ones that need BOTH I.D. and O.D. are a bigger hassle though doable.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: coores14 on October 30, 2016, 06:50:11 AM
thanks guys. yeah I am talking about the SL250H. I'll check the measurements and report back.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Hamachi on October 30, 2016, 10:33:26 AM
Penn 6-114 (3 needed) 6-855 (1 under gear) same as the 50h. For your sl250h coores14

                                     Warren


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Rancanfish on October 30, 2016, 12:08:30 PM
You sure?  Why different part #'s 50h and sl250h?

It fits the SMF250h but the SL?

If you are positive I'll accept your experience, but I hate to steer him down the wrong path.

I think measurements are his best bet like Wai said. JMHO


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Hamachi on October 30, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
Well on page 19 in this section, C Low says it's the same. From 2011. Sorry for the misinformation if it's wrong, maybe we need to archive the information here and remove what is wrong.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: handi2 on October 30, 2016, 12:41:22 PM
For the SLOSH20 the Drag washer size is 20mm OD and 8mm ID for a tight fit. 0.76mm material. The top drag washer can be 1mm but I know all 0.76 works fine.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Rancanfish on October 30, 2016, 01:51:09 PM
A Slosh now, lol?

Warren, don't be sorry, you may be right.  C Low seems pretty sure of what he did.

I'm still confused by the different parts #'s.  Maybe he sanded them to fit?

Now it's back on coores14, lol.  Come on, settle this for us!   ;)


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: coores14 on October 30, 2016, 02:36:17 PM
i'm gonna keep y'all in suspense now.  ;D

I was really hoping someone would say "yeah, just order the drag set for the 50 from Dawn" rather than cobble together the various Penn sizes. Oh well.

Lemme go find my calipers. And take apart the reel....


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Hamachi on October 30, 2016, 02:42:52 PM
I did a little sleuthing of my own. Different part numbers for the same item.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Hamachi on October 30, 2016, 02:47:58 PM
i'm gonna keep y'all in suspense now.  ;D

I was really hoping someone would say "yeah, just order the drag set for the 50 from Dawn" rather than cobble together the various Penn sizes. Oh well.

Lemme go find my calipers. And take apart the reel....

Well, if you'd rather pay 20 something just order the 50h set, rather than $5 for the cobbled together one.

Dude! All this and you haven't even cracked the reel open yet?!?! Do you realize how much knowledge you've assembled here on your problem? Get on it dude! We're on the clock!


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: coores14 on October 30, 2016, 03:06:34 PM
i'm gonna keep y'all in suspense now.  ;D

I was really hoping someone would say "yeah, just order the drag set for the 50 from Dawn" rather than cobble together the various Penn sizes. Oh well.

Lemme go find my calipers. And take apart the reel....

Well, if you'd rather pay 20 something just order the 50h set, rather than $5 for the cobbled together one.

Dude! All this and you haven't even cracked the reel open yet?!?! Do you realize how much knowledge you assembled here on your problem? Get on it dude! We're on the clock!

it's one of 5 reels from two different customers on my workbench right now. I know for a fact I'm going to replace the drags on the sealine. Was hoping I could get a quick answer and order them now so they'll be here by the time I actually get to that reel. That way I can crack open a different reel and start on that while I wait for the drags for the sealine. I don't like having numerous reels torn apart at once as my work area is small and gets awfully congested. I do have a method to my madness. Sort of.

And those 5$ drags will double, at least, in price when PennParts adds in their shipping costs. It's usually about 40$ for a 29 cent sideplate screw or something equally as absurd.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Hamachi on October 30, 2016, 04:34:12 PM
This is just wrong on so many levels, where do I start? First of all, all the information you needed was already contained in this section if you just researched. Second, this is a stickier post so we're clogging it up with excess verbiage. Third, you say you're a pro, so you're being paid and using our free knowledge for your personal gain. Fourth, you're taking a clients $20 dollar reel and charging what, $60 to repair it? Plus, they make paper plates and freezer baggies to hold taken down reels waiting for parts. It's already been two days since first inquired about this, how long is it going to take? It's different if a newbie inquires about something but this guy should know better. All I'm saying is put in a little research effort first before asking a question, put in the appropriate section and members look at the effort the person asking the question put into the problem before putting time and effort in answering.
                   Warren


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: coores14 on October 30, 2016, 05:38:14 PM
thanks for your input Warren.

As I mentioned in my original inquiry, I had already searched around on this site using the provided search engine and saw one person mention that the 250 uses the same drag sizes. It was one person, however, with no corroboration, and I was hoping it would take one quick question for someone else to confirm it. I could then order the drags and I'd be done with it. Obviously, that wasn't the case.

I also saw nowhere else online that definitively said "these drags are for the 250h". So, as I've done many times over the years, I came to this site to ask those who might have direct experience. Isn't that what this site is for? To help each other? Sure, I could've taken the reel apart right away in order to satisfy you, but I was trying to plan ahead as I was finishing up other reels. Call it whatever you want, but I honestly didn't think it was any reason for someone to get so ruffled.

This thread is a long thread, been around for a while, with recent posts going back to just August about various topics, some regarding the drag stack of a Daiwa Sealine 50. Since my initial question somewhat involved the 50, and the varied discussions on this thread, going back to 2008, involved the 50, and I'm pretty sure that I did see the Daiwa 250 mentioned, I saw no reason to create an entirely new thread when the answer could perhaps have been provided here as an addition to the plethora of info that has been discussed. I'm asking about a Daiwa reel, in the Daiwa section, in an ongoing thread somewhat related to the reel that I'm inquiring about. Being a sticky only made it seem more appropriate to finally have it definitively written somewhere, easy for all to locate, for someone else who might eventually search for similar info. Considering the thread hasn't been locked since its inception 8 years ago and the most recent post was only two months ago, I can't see how trying to get and ideally Add info is "excess verbiage". Yes, with your little rant, I would deem it excessive now.

I never said I'm a pro. Yes, I take care of fixing and servicing reels for my various friends throughout the keys. In a sense, they are "customers". You have no idea what I charge them, if anything, nor should it matter. 60 bucks?! That's rape, in my opinion, for helping out my fellow friends and fishermen. So, You're attempting to say that nobody else on this site accepts any sort of payment for fixing reels for anyone? I find that hard to believe. Yet they're on here more frequently than I am asking for and providing "free" advice to fellow reel people. Again, that's the entire point of this site and it's something I've done numerous times over the years.

Yep, it's been two days since I inquired. Who are you to assume what sort of schedule I have and how that can allow me to work on the various reels? As mentioned, I thought it would be a quick answer. I could then have ordered the drags on Friday and forget about it, knowing the schedule that I had ahead of me for this weekend.

Yep, they make paper plates and ziploc bags. I'm well aware of that. I choose to currently not use those as I try to have only one reel apart at any given time, as I sort of explained earlier. I rarely have this many reels in front of me and I often go months without working on any. You know, because I'm not a "pro". Don't like the way I do it? I don't care.

If you have such a problem offering advice or info on a website predicated upon the very idea of providing a resource for like-minded folk to share info, then perhaps you're missing the point of this place.

For the record, the Sealine SL250h drags measure as such --
  Main drag washer size -- 24mm ODx14.15mm IDx1.35mm thick
  Washer under main gear -- 19.63mm ODx12.08mm IDx.45mm thick


I hope this helps anyone and everyone who might desire this info in the future. And for those on here who don't have a problem helping someone, even if they might be taking the "lazy" way out, you all are what make sites like this a pleasure to be a member of and are what Alan hoped for when creating it. Thank you.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Rancanfish on October 30, 2016, 06:46:50 PM
Well said. 

I have to admit some times I get bugged by some goings on, but in those cases I just stay out of the thread.  This is Alan's site after all. 

But Hamachi's a good guy from what I've seen so I'm sure he wasn't harshing on you for real.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Porthos on October 31, 2016, 05:33:55 AM
Geez Warren, did West Covina run out of sake or Delrin sheets for your undergear washers? Maybe the sake IS the problem...if so, push the bottle away and step back from the keyboard.  :D

Actually, I'm thinking of bringing a bottle of Nigorizake on the 2017 SOA for a change. We can drink that on the ride out and in, and you can vent all you want about SL250H drag washers and what not to the Pacific Ocean...she's a good listener.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Hamachi on October 31, 2016, 01:16:58 PM
Yeah, I may have overreacted just a tad bit. My apologies to all the members here on Alan's family site for making such a hostile statement. Sometimes I forget that not everyone is as passionate about this as we are. I need to be more tolerant and try to see the good in all people.

                                   Warren


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 31, 2016, 04:11:38 PM
You are a good Man Warren. ;)


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: ez2cdave on December 25, 2017, 11:09:48 AM
You are a good Man Warren. ;)

Great threads should NEVER die . . .  Merry Christmas !


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: ReelFishingProblems on December 25, 2017, 11:26:39 AM
I love my Sealine 50H! Merry Christmas! Maybe 2018 can bring some creativity to the Daiwa line
Nick


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: handi2 on January 18, 2018, 12:17:31 PM
I just finished the 50H and ended up with 22lbs of drag off the top of the spool.

I used Carbontex drag washers that are 1.10mm thick. The 3 in gear washers were 12mm x 24mm. The under gear Delrin washer is 12mm x 22mm. I tried a Carbontex washer of the same dimensions under the gear with less max drag.

To heighten the drag sleeve I used Penn part 4-340 bearing thrust washer. If you ever have a Penn 113H or similar reel that the sleeve is too short after assembly these 4-340 brass washers fit just right. A quick way to adjust the drag star height.



Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: ReelFishingProblems on January 18, 2018, 03:51:56 PM
Will have to try the sleeve trick. Now if I could just get the Sealine tonlook as pretty as a custom 4/0


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: handi2 on January 19, 2018, 11:18:14 AM
Just to make thing clear the drag washer dimensions I give above fit the gear sleeve and main gear tight. They are not the same size as the stock drag washers. I also used the stock metal drag washers.

The 4-340 washer will fit underneath or on top of the sleeve for adjustment. They fit the 113H sleeve better.

On the 3rd pull the max drag went up to 25lbs.


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Kenstix on March 05, 2018, 02:54:30 AM


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  < I caught this here Pelaggica Istiophorus on My Beloved 50H (30# / Heavy mono bait leader) some years back . I've always had good stopping power ( and 300H) with Them ~  Wahoo, YT + YF . They've held up for me where I've seen Large Wahoo Literally Burn + blow-out the Sideplates on Jigmaster 500's .


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: ez2cdave on March 05, 2018, 12:29:38 PM
Now if I could just get the Sealine to look as pretty as a custom 4/0

I'll take "Solid Performance" over "Good Looks", any day !

Like the song says . . .

Tight Lines !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcMkFvXW2v4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcMkFvXW2v4)


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Kenstix on March 06, 2018, 01:08:09 AM
 

  ez2cdave ~ I Dig that Kookoo " Racha Style " Version , Awesome + true

( I used to live with an 11 ~ a few years before I caught that Istiophorus ,  but it was Too Much Maintenance )


Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: ReelFishingProblems on November 06, 2018, 03:53:34 AM
Going to pull my 50H out of the closet and tear it apart again.
Now that iíve worked on a few more reels, itís time to look at free spool time.



Title: Re: sealine 50h
Post by: Desert Guy on July 09, 2019, 06:20:47 AM
Well last week my son picked one of these up and we both used it on yellowfin up to about 20#'s. The reel performed flawlessly and cast well using 100gram butterfly jigs and we managed  quite a few fish.
Only mishap was during a cast the rod slipped from his grip and went for a ride down deep, to the end of the line that was on the reel. Just as it went in we snagged the line but with the reel in free spool it took about 20 minutes of pulling in the line hand over fist to retrieve the rod and reel.
So now we will get it broken down and cleaned which brings me to my question of whether to upgrade the drag washers and if so which ones to get?
Chris