If only we had frames for these guys.....
I don't think you need a frame for this reel. With the bars, reel seat and the inner rings, the reel twist is at a minimum unlike reels with posts.
it is indeed stout as is. what drag# do you think your kit will get Bry? I fish mono on mine so not likely I will hurt it but curious....I'd guess it would hold close to 500 yds of 80lb braid so at 25lbs it'd be a real killer.
sorry I was thinking of my 990.
Quote from: thorhammer on November 21, 2016, 08:26:06 PM
it is indeed stout as is. what drag# do you think your kit will get Bry? I fish mono on mine so not likely I will hurt it but curious....I'd guess it would hold close to 500 yds of 80lb braid so at 25lbs it'd be a real killer
This would bring the reel into the 4/0 drag range for sure, but I probably would not fish it more than 15# making this a good 50# braid reel.
I'm intrigued by this, but wondering if I need more than stock drag for bluefish and stripers. Fishing for tuna is currently out of reach.
Quote from: Bryan Young on November 21, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
I don't think you need a frame for this reel. With the bars, reel seat and the inner rings, the reel twist is at a minimum unlike reels with posts.
But they would sure look sweet, especially in gold.
Lets see some hands go up, if we get enough interest, maybe Tom could do a run for us.
As good as that man is, there might be a chance he could eliminate the inner rings :-\.
Sal
My hand's up! Dang, Magpower Madness as Aiala called it from the flea would triple!!!!
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 21, 2016, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on November 21, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
I don't think you need a frame for this reel. With the bars, reel seat and the inner rings, the reel twist is at a minimum unlike reels with posts.
But they would sure look sweet, especially in gold.
Lets see some hands go up, if we get enough interest, maybe Tom could do a run for us.
As good as that man is, there might be a chance he could eliminate the inner rings :-\.
Sal
Hijacker. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
naw.....he's your marketing rep.....you're gonna need a lot more kits to sell!!!!
In all seriousness that's something I've thought about for years, after I figured out what was under of this series...a frame would about give you a magnum jigmaster IMO
I love these reels but they are just not in abundance. It may be a good idea to come up with a complete frame and sideplate kit as these sideplates are prone to cracking around the screws since the material is so thin.
Agreed.
I disagree! :)
The plates on these reels are actually stronger:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10273.msg130833#msg130833
Here is the problem with cracking plates on these:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/20161121_204557.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/20161121_204557.jpg.html)
I'm not sure why Penn decided to have 1/8" of space between the inner rings and side plates.
Spacers on the screws, or one washer of the correct thickness for both sides will cure the problem.
If Tom decides to make us some frames, this wouldn't be an issue anymore. I like the plates as they look, I just wish someone could make us decal replacements.
This one is definitely one of my favorite reels, besides the extra space on the plates, Penn did a great job on these.
Tom, lets get some frames going, I might need a dozen or so myself :).
Well, I had read here about that gap a ways back, but here you go...
Tom, you may as well put the 970/80 frame on the CNC while you're at it....I'll take four total right now. Sal will take a batch and I expect Aiala will be on top of this, so there's 20 out of the gate :) .....
Quote from: thorhammer on November 22, 2016, 02:27:33 AM
Well, I had read here about that gap a ways back, but here you go...
Yep! that was Wai, it's somewhere in here:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9889.msg92271#msg92271
Yep, that was it. Great memory, Sal.
Quote from: thorhammer on November 22, 2016, 12:40:27 AM
My hand's up! Dang, Magpower Madness as Aiala called it from the flea would triple!!!!
You guys have made me a believer. HAND UP for one of each, 970 and 980 if possible! And add left side plate thumb screws to the wish list for swapping spools?
I'd be good for 2, 1 of each
Alan spooled 250yds of 50# spectra on my 970 right after I installed Bryan's 5 drag kit.
Haven't tested it, or even ever fished it yet.
December in Baja!
I'd be interested...may be well worth the price to to avoid pillar bedding eight screw holes (i.e., eight opportunities for Murphy's Law to kick in).
Quote from: thorhammer on November 21, 2016, 08:26:06 PM
it is indeed stout as is. what drag# do you think your kit will get Bry? I fish mono on mine so not likely I will hurt it but curious....I'd guess it would hold close to 500 yds of 80lb braid so at 25lbs it'd be a real killer
Looks like you are using the 980 for this. the 970 only holds about 325-350 yds of 50lb braid. Capacity is the reason why I limit my 970 to a 40lb max setup; the 980 could probably go up to a 60lb max top shot setup with 80lb braid.
Quote from: swill88 on November 22, 2016, 06:16:12 AM
Alan spooled 250yds of 50# spectra on my 970 right after I installed Bryan's 5 drag kit...
Only 250? Hmm...when I was spooling mine, used a Rapala metric line linecounter to measure...got 300+ meters.
Good for one 970
Greg
Quote from: Porthos on November 22, 2016, 03:59:33 PM
Quote from: swill88 on November 22, 2016, 06:16:12 AM
Alan spooled 250yds of 50# spectra on my 970 right after I installed Bryan's 5 drag kit...
Only 250? Hmm...when I was spooling mine, used a Rapala metric line linecounter to measure...got 300+ meters.
Wai,
Maybe it was 300yds on the 97. He spooled two others for me: a slosh20 that maybe was the 250. Also spooled a Komodo SS 471P which I think was 200yds. A lot was going on in the garage and my memory is not ageing well.
Alan probably remembers. Do you remember Alan?
Remember, the 970 and 980 are identical, just cage and spool. 990 is an altogether bigger animal.
Bought mine for Winter codding off the beach. We fish two rods, changing bait, usually worm, every 12 mins. as the juices get washed out.
Good for an easy 150yards with 0.40mm mono.
Don't overfill. Use very little mag with the merest touch of spindle brake added for night work. (With ceramics they are near silent.)
That means all the time in the UK. Daytime beach fishing is light work (match work) catching fish the size of dandruff.
Works well for uptiding too, if you know what that means.
I use the handles off my GLS25 and GLS40. Standard gold ended barrels are very pretty but just not enough.
Casts as well as a Slosh but with 4/0 innards. Bit tricky for low reel casters with small hands.
Use the 980 kit with 40lb mono to lift most fish straight up a cliff or other high point.
Rgds.
Malcolm Hayward
Quote from: canoecaper on December 05, 2016, 06:01:34 PM
Use the 980 kit with 40lb mono to lift most fish straight up a cliff or other high point.
Rgds.
Malcolm Hayward
Looking forward to using my 970 to do some winching from a bridge. I have some 80 lb. braid for the job that I plan to use with a heavy mono top-shot 40-50 lbs for scuff resistance on bridge piers. :) Cheers.
It'll really be nice if Tom would make frames for these, I would commit for at least four 970 frames, please pretty please :)
Greets,
Mine pull 15 to 17lbs off the top with SS bridge sleeve, 349 star and the full Bryan drag, 40 GLS handles.
Remember, I believe it has a 4/0 bearing on the drive side and a 6/0 bearing on the clicker side.
Mine are now ceramic hybrids.
Careful choice of oils, "Rocket Fuel" of course, make this a bullet proof cast. Minimum magnet, on the 970.
Absolutely right on the plate cracking if the screws are over tightened. Cracked one, possibly me.
A decent epoxy has fixed it.
John Holden, a British champion beach caster, was part of the design team. They started with the Squidder.
His favourite, was a narrower version than the 970, a 250+ yard reel using .40mm and 5oz. Magnet removed!
Penn weren't sure they could sell enough. Now, with braid!!!
"Sea Angler" article from John, issue 544, May, pages 36 to 38.
I would be very interested in a narrower cage with a narrower spool to go with it. Say 20 to 25% narrower.
I use mine, with .45mm mono to cast bare 7oz grip lead rigs some 150 yards. Then, I use South African style live bait sliders. (Small Mackerel usually).
Mono, because of the slider, .45mm in case there are abrasion issues plus it makes casting much easier. Still, the line is barely 3/4" down.
Best Rgds.
Malcolm Hayward
Quote from: canoecaper on July 06, 2017, 01:33:24 PM
Greets,
Mine pull 15 to 17lbs off the top with SS bridge sleeve, 349 star and the full Bryan drag, 40 GLS handles.
Remember, I believe it has a 4/0 bearing on the drive side and a 6/0 bearing on the clicker side.
Mine are now ceramic hybrids.
Careful choice of oils, "Rocket Fuel" of course, make this a bullet proof cast. Minimum magnet, on the 970.
Absolutely right on the plate cracking if the screws are over tightened. Cracked one, possibly me.
A decent epoxy has fixed it.
John Holden, a British champion beach caster, was part of the design team. They started with the Squidder.
His favourite, was a narrower version than the 970, a 250+ yard reel using .40mm and 5oz. Magnet removed!
Penn weren't sure they could sell enough. Now, with braid!!!
"Sea Angler" article from John, issue 544, May, pages 36 to 38.
I would be very interested in a narrower cage with a narrower spool to go with it. Say 20 to 25% narrower.
I use mine, with .45mm mono to cast bare 7oz grip lead rigs some 150 yards. Then, I use South African style live bait sliders. (Small Mackerel usually).
Mono, because of the slider, .45mm in case there are abrasion issues plus it makes casting much easier. Still, the line is barely 3/4" down.
Best Rgds.
Malcolm Hayward
Very interesting. Thanks, Malcom. /Joe
No response from Tom on this one, so not likely.
But I'll commit to two frames anyway. 8)
I think sideplates would be first. I have come across many with cracked sideplates.
Quote from: Bryan Young on October 07, 2017, 05:04:33 PM
I think sideplates would be first. I have come across many with cracked sideplates.
As previously mentioned, if you take a closer look at the plates you'll notice they don't rest on the inner rings. I believe the cracks accur from guys using power drives on these and over tightening the screws.
Of course this is just my opinion, but from having over a couple of dozen and fishing with them, I strongly believe that's the case with cracking plates.
Sal
You guys gotta let me know about stuff like this.
I don't go thru and read every thread the way some do. My log in time only 26 days and change. If there are things you want brought to my attention, please contact me directly.
I'm hoping 2018 will bring bigger and better things!
Tom
Quote from: Bryan Young on October 07, 2017, 05:04:33 PM
I think sideplates would be first. I have come across many with cracked sideplates.
Side plates would be a great idea. They could be used on 970 or 980 interchangeably, and help a supplier get a feel for the market (for frames ;D).
It's a big shop. It's at the Fred hall show too.
I've bought from them without a problem in the past but, if somebody new has taken over there must have been a problem.
One other thought Decker, please be careful announcing a 'deal' you find on the auction site here. Maybe a member here is already tracking it and wants to get it. Once it's announced here...well.
Steve
Quote from: swill88 on October 18, 2017, 06:37:41 PM
It's a big shop. It's at the Fred hall show too.
I've bought from them without a problem in the past but, if somebody new has taken over there must have been a problem.
One other thought Decker, please be careful announcing a 'deal' you find on the auction site here. Maybe a member here is already tracking it and wants to get it. Once it's announced here...well.
Steve
Point taken... deleting the post. My initial intention was to share a good deal, but maybe it was misguided. Thanks.
Just got my hands on a 990... I can tell by the sound of it that it is one with SS stock gears ;D and the gear ratio is just under 5:1. Compare to a magnum jigmaster ::) or a YTS... Hmmm
IF someone were going to design a one-piece frame for a 970,980, or 990, it would absolutely amazing if the frame could be made in one piece that includes the inner rings.
Absolutely right about that gap. A real puzzle.
Penn retained John Holden, a UK champion caster and a qualified Pathologist, to develop this range.
He had been using squidders and stripped 930s.
There should have been a World beating narrower version, to cast up to 300 yards. Maybe a 960.
Penn wimped it, much to John's exasperation.
The 970 requires real talent to top 190 yards. Just too big.
Penn repeated the exercise with the 515 / 525 mags.
The late lamented Neil Mackellow created these.
The UK go to shore reel for filthy Winter nights.
Got the sizes right this time.
Still regularly fish with my 970 / 980s. Heavy shore and boat casting. 24-349H helps.
Rgds.
Malcolm Hayward.
Sounds like my Shimano Triton Mark 3S
Same size as a 15/30 and also comes in Jigmaster 500 size. Has alloy frame and sideplates, drags the size of 113h,and also comes in magged models.
Right plate has 3 quick takedown thumb screws.
I only use mine for reef fishing with 50lb braid. Pulls 20lb of drag stock.
They are a bit scarce. Made in the eighties.
Basto
I'm going to bump this just in case Tom would consider making the 970 frames and/or sideplates.