Hello,
Why was the centrifugal brake system excluded from the Torque series? Are there any plans to implement the system in future Torque series?
Bests,
Bao
Bao,
The Torque 2nd gen was designed first, a year later we added the Fathom SD reels to the lineup with the centrifugal braking system. I would have to talk to an Engineer but I believe no plans on adding it to the Torque, it may have something to do with the click system which is completely different between the 2. The Torque uses a 3 position clicker.
tony
Thank you for the quick response.
Presently, I am shopping for a robust star drag reel that can do it all. I am willing to pay the premium to have premium components & features: stainless steel gear train, machined frame and side plates, free floating spool, cast control, great customer service, etc...
I feel the Torque could benefit from a cast control system vs a 3-position clicker.
A cast control would compliment the free floating spool design; increasing the Torques capability and utility, making it the most feature rich reel in it's class.
Has market feedback been favorable regarding the Fathom and it's use of a cast control?
I find myself looking at the Fathom and wishing it had stainless steel gears like the Torque. haha
Anyway, that's just one man's 2cents...
Bests,
Bao
Bao - Check out this thread...It looks like Sal (Alto Mare) has upgraded his gears to the stainless units as well...food for thought!
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14253.0
Quote from: coastal_dan on December 28, 2016, 06:41:39 PM
Bao - Check out this thread...It looks like Sal (Alto Mare) has upgraded his gears to the stainless units as well...food for thought!
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14253.0
Wonderful Dan. Thanks for the link.
Quote from: BQN on December 28, 2016, 04:48:54 PM
Thank you for the quick response.
Presently, I am shopping for a robust star drag reel that can do it all. I am willing to pay the premium to have premium components & features: stainless steel gear train, machined frame and side plates, free floating spool, cast control, great customer service, etc...
I feel the Torque could benefit from a cast control system vs a 3-position clicker.
A cast control would compliment the free floating spool design; increasing the Torques capability and utility, making it the most feature rich reel in it's class.
Has market feedback been favorable regarding the Fathom and it's use of a cast control?
I find myself looking at the Fathom and wishing it had stainless steel gears like the Torque. haha
Anyway, that's just one man's 2cents...
Bests,
Bao
I made the switch to the stainless gears on my Fathom 25N. The gear was great but I since have switched the reel back to the 6:1 stock gear. I use the reel mainly for the yoyo iron and sometimes bait. I like the 6:1 gear better for the yoyo application. I fish my 25N with 30 lb toppers and the 6:1 offers more than enough cranking power in this line test or lower. If I was going to use the reel for 40 lb test and around 13 lbs of drag, mainly for bait I feel this is where the stainless lower gear would pay off.
IMO the cast control/breaks in the Fathom line of reels really only works with light lures, weights and or baits. I turn off all breaks or cast control systems in all my reels feeling it is better to train your thumb to be the cast control system. Even with all the breaks on in the Fathom line you will still need to use your thumb with anything weighting, say over 1/2 ounce which in my case leaves out just about everything I will be casting with my reel. Of course this will depend on the rod used and casting distance your looking to get.
I understand you like the Torque reels but with them not having breaks is really a moot point unless your casting very light lures on rods under 7' in length. The longer the rod the faster the spool of the reel will be moving at startup and with the excellent freespool of the Torque and Fathom reels some thumbing of the spool will be needed before splashdown, so just train yourself to do so without using breaks. It's not a huge difference anyway.
There is a pic floating around this website of me with a couple of 35 lb plus yellowtail, one pushing 40 lbs, caught on the 25N which shows how I feel about the power of the stock 6:1 bronze gear.
i have the 25N with PC's 4.8:1 gears and love it. i really do not know how the stock gears are, never tried it because i know i cannot winch a schoolie yft tuna with it. caught a many schoolie size last year aboard the pride. if you have popeye's biceps then you do not need the SS 4.8:1 gears. will the stock gears hold up winching all day long i do not know, maybe somebody knows. good luck!
I know this sounds outdated, but to me the best cast control is a well trained thumb. I just don't see why you would want to slow down a spool that has so much put into it to spin fast.
Ron
Quote from: SoCalAngler on December 29, 2016, 12:58:36 AM
Quote from: BQN on December 28, 2016, 04:48:54 PM
Thank you for the quick response.
Presently, I am shopping for a robust star drag reel that can do it all. I am willing to pay the premium to have premium components & features: stainless steel gear train, machined frame and side plates, free floating spool, cast control, great customer service, etc...
I feel the Torque could benefit from a cast control system vs a 3-position clicker.
A cast control would compliment the free floating spool design; increasing the Torques capability and utility, making it the most feature rich reel in it's class.
Has market feedback been favorable regarding the Fathom and it's use of a cast control?
I find myself looking at the Fathom and wishing it had stainless steel gears like the Torque. haha
Anyway, that's just one man's 2cents...
Bests,
Bao
I made the switch to the stainless gears on my Fathom 25N. The gear was great but I since have switched the reel back to the 6:1 stock gear. I use the reel mainly for the yoyo iron and sometimes bait. I like the 6:1 gear better for the yoyo application. I fish my 25N with 30 lb toppers and the 6:1 offers more than enough cranking power in this line test or lower. If I was going to use the reel for 40 lb test and around 13 lbs of drag, mainly for bait I feel this is where the stainless lower gear would pay off.
IMO the cast control/breaks in the Fathom line of reels really only works with light lures, weights and or baits. I turn off all breaks or cast control systems in all my reels feeling it is better to train your thumb to be the cast control system. Even with all the breaks on in the Fathom line you will still need to use your thumb with anything weighting, say over 1/2 ounce which in my case leaves out just about everything I will be casting with my reel. Of course this will depend on the rod used and casting distance your looking to get.
I understand you like the Torque reels but with them not having breaks is really a moot point unless your casting very light lures on rods under 7' in length. The longer the rod the faster the spool of the reel will be moving at startup and with the excellent freespool of the Torque and Fathom reels some thumbing of the spool will be needed before splashdown, so just train yourself to do so without using breaks. It's not a huge difference anyway.
There is a pic floating around this website of me with a couple of 35 lb plus yellowtail, one pushing 40 lbs, caught on the 25N which shows how I feel about the power of the stock 6:1 bronze gear.
From all the literature i'm reading, the Torque is very robust externally and internally for its weight. It would be a reel that I want to use for many applications besides on a boat. For example, I could see myself using it for surf casting on a windy day. That is what I meant by increasing it's 'capabilities and utility'.
If the Torque had a cast control like its siblings the Fathom, and Squall, I would own one right now. I would bring it everywhere I went...just in case. :)
watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqXIhGZ9Z1o
I'm not saying the Torque can't cast like that with an educated thumb, but it would be a lot easier with cast control, especially into the wind.
It'd be nice to have the versatility of a Fathom, with the added strength of a Torque, especially at the cost of the Torque.
Bests,
Bao
Quote from: BQN on December 29, 2016, 06:16:58 AM
Quote from: SoCalAngler on December 29, 2016, 12:58:36 AM
Quote from: BQN on December 28, 2016, 04:48:54 PM
Thank you for the quick response.
Presently, I am shopping for a robust star drag reel that can do it all. I am willing to pay the premium to have premium components & features: stainless steel gear train, machined frame and side plates, free floating spool, cast control, great customer service, etc...
I feel the Torque could benefit from a cast control system vs a 3-position clicker.
A cast control would compliment the free floating spool design; increasing the Torques capability and utility, making it the most feature rich reel in it's class.
Has market feedback been favorable regarding the Fathom and it's use of a cast control?
I find myself looking at the Fathom and wishing it had stainless steel gears like the Torque. haha
Anyway, that's just one man's 2cents...
Bests,
Bao
I made the switch to the stainless gears on my Fathom 25N. The gear was great but I since have switched the reel back to the 6:1 stock gear. I use the reel mainly for the yoyo iron and sometimes bait. I like the 6:1 gear better for the yoyo application. I fish my 25N with 30 lb toppers and the 6:1 offers more than enough cranking power in this line test or lower. If I was going to use the reel for 40 lb test and around 13 lbs of drag, mainly for bait I feel this is where the stainless lower gear would pay off.
IMO the cast control/breaks in the Fathom line of reels really only works with light lures, weights and or baits. I turn off all breaks or cast control systems in all my reels feeling it is better to train your thumb to be the cast control system. Even with all the breaks on in the Fathom line you will still need to use your thumb with anything weighting, say over 1/2 ounce which in my case leaves out just about everything I will be casting with my reel. Of course this will depend on the rod used and casting distance your looking to get.
I understand you like the Torque reels but with them not having breaks is really a moot point unless your casting very light lures on rods under 7' in length. The longer the rod the faster the spool of the reel will be moving at startup and with the excellent freespool of the Torque and Fathom reels some thumbing of the spool will be needed before splashdown, so just train yourself to do so without using breaks. It's not a huge difference anyway.
There is a pic floating around this website of me with a couple of 35 lb plus yellowtail, one pushing 40 lbs, caught on the 25N which shows how I feel about the power of the stock 6:1 bronze gear.
From all the literature i'm reading, the Torque is very robust externally and internally for its weight. It would be a reel that I want to use for many applications besides on a boat. For example, I could see myself using it for surf casting on a windy day. That is what I meant by increasing it's 'capabilities and utility'.
If the Torque had a cast control like its siblings the Fathom, and Squall, I would own one right now. I would bring it everywhere I went...just in case. :)
watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqXIhGZ9Z1o
I'm not saying the Torque can't cast like that with an educated thumb, but it would be a lot easier with cast control, especially into the wind.
It'd be nice to have the versatility of a Fathom, with the added strength of a Torque, especially at the cost of the Torque.
Bests,
Bao
Bao,
Google "PMR PENN TORQUE". He is not affiliated with PENN in anyway and says some inaccurate things in his videos but he is the only one I have seen who added a mag to a Torque 2nd gen.
tony
Hi Tony,
Thanks for heads up on PMR.
I did some research, and I'm going to try and find a gen1 Torque 100.
That fits my applications perfectly.
Bests,
Bao
FLEABAY LESS THAN $326.00
BUT I'D RATHER BUY THE TQ12...IMO IS A BETTER CHOICE FOR YOUR INTENDED PURPOSE.
BTW WITH PMR'S MAGNETIC CAST CONTROL SYSTEM YOU ALSO HAVE TO TRAIN/EDUCATE YOUR LEFT FINGERS OR RIGHT TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WHILE THE "PROJECTILE" IS ZOOMING INTO THE HORIZON...PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT! AS FOR ME MY THUMB IS SOMEWHAT EDUCATED.
good luck and tight lines!
ps i have the FTH12 which is now the FTH12 MLBar and "it's out of control" for the time being... ;D :D ;) :)
Quote from: BQN on December 30, 2016, 02:04:44 AM
Hi Tony,
Thanks for heads up on PMR.
I did some research, and I'm going to try and find a gen1 Torque 100.
That fits my applications perfectly.
Bests,
Bao
Not sure how much weight matters to you but just for reference :
TORQUE 100 - 23oz
TRQ12 - 16.9oz
TRQ15 - 17.1oz.
tony
Quote from: Potiguar - AKA MeL B on December 30, 2016, 01:34:20 PM
FLEABAY LESS THAN $326.00
BUT I'D RATHER BUY THE TQ12...IMO IS A BETTER CHOICE FOR YOUR INTENDED PURPOSE.
BTW WITH PMR'S MAGNETIC CAST CONTROL SYSTEM YOU ALSO HAVE TO TRAIN/EDUCATE YOUR LEFT FINGERS OR RIGHT TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WHILE THE "PROJECTILE" IS ZOOMING INTO THE HORIZON...PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT! AS FOR ME MY THUMB IS SOMEWHAT EDUCATED.
good luck and tight lines!
ps i have the FTH12 which is now the FTH12 MLBar and "it's out of control" for the time being... ;D :D ;) :)
Quote from: Penn on December 30, 2016, 03:11:33 PM
Quote from: BQN on December 30, 2016, 02:04:44 AM
Hi Tony,
Thanks for heads up on PMR.
I did some research, and I'm going to try and find a gen1 Torque 100.
That fits my applications perfectly.
Bests,
Bao
Not sure how much weight matters to you but just for reference :
TORQUE 100 - 23oz
TRQ12 - 16.9oz
TRQ15 - 17.1oz.
tony
Good morning!
I need to go into a store and hold some reels/rods. haha The TRQ12 @ 5oz lighter should be very noticeable.
Whatever I decide to get, i'll report back to this thread.
Thank you for the recommendations Mel & Tony.
Cheers,
Bao
:)
TRQ12 FLEABAY LESS THAN $326
;) :)
seller from San Diego BNIB
tight lines!
True that the FTH series could have incorporated a stainless main gear, but it would have pushed it upward noticeably in price point.
It should be noted, a competitor's "top of the line" reel features a brass main gear, at the same price point as the Torque.
During the design period of the Second-Generation Torques, particular consideration was given to shaving every possible bit of weight from the Gen-1 models.
Interestingly, when the I got the Gen-2 Torque field test models, I was shocked at just how fast they were.
I had to go down to my dock for a half-day, and completely re-set my personal casting form to accommodate it, but now I have achieved a minor increase in distance, but with considerably less effort with metal lures, etc, and with weightless live baits, the increase is dramatic.
Mr. Carson,
I'm happy to see you stop in here.
Like I said I fully believe the stock 6:1 brass gear in the Fathom star drags are very strong and offer nice cranking ability do to their size. Here is a pic of a couple of yt I caught a couple of years back that I landed with the stock gear. I have since landed many other fish with this reel.
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/SoCalAngler1/11219070_10152935841012989_8075928941859657201_n_zpsyxvxzznb.jpg)
And, as far as the stainless gears go in the Fathom LD2 here is some pics of my friends catch with his. He lives in Baja and asked me for a recommendation on a reel and with his budget in mind, I said a Fathom 25NLD should be the way to go. He is very happy with the reel and uses it almost every trip he goes on.
In the upper pic you can see the reel and rod he used for the Thresher and the lower pic gives you a better size of the fish he caught.
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/SoCalAngler1/SeaMonsterDays_zpscnlxzony.jpg)
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/SoCalAngler1/SharkBait_zpshcxhhryb.jpg)
Sometimes even we get lucky enough to give these reels a work out.
Quote from: noyb72 on December 29, 2016, 02:23:10 AM
I know this sounds outdated, but to me the best cast control is a well trained thumb. I just don't see why you would want to slow down a spool that has so much put into it to spin fast.
Ron
That sound typically like a statement I would have made 10 years ago and I still think that a "well trained thumb" can outcast a reel with cast control, however.............an adjustable cast control, especially a magnetic system, makes casting much easier and you offer up very little distance in return. I have converted completely and need a magnetic cast control on any reel now! I make many casts a day, often quickly, to specific points, into wind or with wind, some short, some far and this is where an adjustable cast control comes into its own.
Just on the 25N, I have two of them and hardly use them now because they have been thoroughly disappointing, despite looking like fantastically well designed and manufactured bits of equipment on the inside. I have given fairly detailed explanations about the issues in the past, so won't repeat it all.
This despite, I think that potentially these could be very good reels, but some attention to detail is needed.
Quote from: mrbrklyn on August 29, 2018, 03:45:01 AM
Quote from: Tunanorth on January 02, 2017, 07:33:03 PM
True that the FTH series could have incorporated a stainless main gear, but it would have pushed it upward noticeably in price point.
I don't understand why. Steal is very very cheap.
Stainless is very tough to machine & wears out machine tools at a much higher rate. The material also has a higher cost. Thus higher costs. Bronze will outlast common steel.