a close friend just brough me this reel to check it out, he though it was a penn 113h and at first I though the same, but as soon as I have it on my hands there is no penn name or any other number or letter related to a Senator , penn or 113h or even a 113h2 model
anyone that is not much into fishing reels would say is the same 113h reel, but as you can see is not.
have you ever seen this reel model before?
it is a copy-cat or clone reel or it belongs to a legit known brand?
I couldnt found anything on the web similar to this reel
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(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/carrretes/IMAG9581%20ss_zps383glk8c.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/carrretes/IMAG9581%20ss_zps383glk8c.jpg.html)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/carrretes/IMAG9582%20ss_zpsnkjwswjh.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/carrretes/IMAG9582%20ss_zpsnkjwswjh.jpg.html)
or maybe its a 113h2 with lost tags and lettering and Im just paranoid?
It's not a 113H2. It looks like a copy though. Open it up and let's see how close to a copy the inside is. You might be able to use 113H parts or modified parts. I guess you can see the eccentric lever is backwards. Rudy
Made in Japan knockoff.....and a really bad knockoff at that ::) ::)
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 10, 2017, 07:23:33 PM
Made in Japan knockoff.....and a really bad knockoff at that ::) ::)
X2
well, I opened the reel yesterday and its looks good inside, since there are not a way to know the brand of the reel I cannot say it was considered a cheapo reel or a true chinese clone, too bad there are some components looks are very prone to break easy and the steel used on some parts is too thin, but other than that it would be good for some weekend warrior that might use it 2 or 3 times per years.
it has more similarities to the Newell reels inside than to the senator family, surprisely uses carbon fiber drag washers, with the exact same size than a Jigmaster so this is good.
it didnt share any parts to the jigmaster or the 113h reel, I dont know which other reel could share any parts with this reel, in case that something break inside or outside Im afraid it will go the trash can
handle hole has the same form than newells
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(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/1%20Reel%20repair/IMAG9596%20ss_zpszomcmeve.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/1%20Reel%20repair/IMAG9596%20ss_zpszomcmeve.jpg.html)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/1%20Reel%20repair/IMAG9597%20ss_zpsx33pqayu.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/1%20Reel%20repair/IMAG9597%20ss_zpsx33pqayu.jpg.html)
really similar, but arent interchambeable
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/1%20Reel%20repair/IMAG9603%20ss_zpsoomnxxao.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/1%20Reel%20repair/IMAG9603%20ss_zpsoomnxxao.jpg.html)
spool is aluminium, really similar material to some early omoto models
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/alextellofotos/1%20Reel%20repair/IMAG9593%20ss_zpsmni7ldsg.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/alextellofotos/media/1%20Reel%20repair/IMAG9593%20ss_zpsmni7ldsg.jpg.html)
so, I cleaned everything, even the bearings, put new yamaha grease, tsi321 oil, cals grease on the drag and set the reel to be used as loaner to some rockie hands
I'm not sure about the quality of the parts, but that reel appears to be a very capable reel.
I like the clutch design better than the Penn 113H... just like the Newells.
I like it!
Sal
I do like the aluminum spool, and the clutch design. Looks like it couod use a new gear sleeve. Wonder if Newel SS sleeve would fit it?
thats my exact thoughts on the reel Sal, looks pretty good, but needs a bit more attention on servicing it after every season,
too bad there is no name brand anywhere on the reel, to look for spare parts.
by the way, does someone knows if there is a larger eccentric lever than the one use on the jigmasters?
this reels is using a non stock freespool lever, thats why is backwards, the top of the lever simply dont reach the top of the reel sideplate if I put it correctly, now I need to find a longer lever, it just need to be 3-5mm longer but same hole size than jigmaster
Quote from: Tightlines666 on January 10, 2017, 11:56:58 PM
I do like the aluminum spool, and the clutch design. Looks like it couod use a new gear sleeve. Wonder if Newel SS sleeve would fit it?
well a SS newell sleeve would be good, but gears would be still non SS
the stock gear sleeve doesnt look that bad, the reel didnt came with any undermain gear washer at all, I found a used hard-plastic (delrin?) undergear washer from a 500L reel and it fit like a glove, for now I will leave it there until get a new batch of different sizes delrin washers from Dawn
this is how it looked when I opened it up, no undergear washer
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this is the used undergear washer I put there
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Cals grease, yamaha and go
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Quote from: steelfish on January 11, 2017, 12:11:35 AM
thats my exact thoughts on the reel Sal, looks pretty good, but needs a bit more attention on servicing it after every season,
too bad there is no name brand anywhere on the reel, to look for spare parts.
by the way, does someone knows if there is a larger eccentric lever than the one use on the jigmasters?
this reels is using a non stock freespool lever, thats why is backwards, the top of the lever simply dont reach the top of the reel sideplate if I put it correctly, now I need to find a longer lever, it just need to be 3-5mm longer but same hole size than jigmaster
The 21-49 lever should work for you. Here is a picture. The 21-49 is the bottom lever with a few 21-66 to show the difference.
If you figure out which number would work, and do not have one -- let me know and I will send you one at N/C.
Got a bunch of these.
Best,
Fred
I thought that style of drag required an odd number of friction washers to work properly, I see four.
Regards,
Charlie
at first I thought Anon-Shaw .... but expected to see "made in Japan" stamped on the foot
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Quote from: foakes on January 11, 2017, 03:49:40 AM
If you figure out which number would work, and do not have one -- let me know and I will send you one at N/C.
Got a bunch of these.
Best,
Fred
thanks Fred, I havent checked the current "short" lever on the reel to see the part number, I will do it today and let you know, I dont have any stock of parts so, I will accept your offert as soon as I know the part I actually need.
seems like the 21-49 should work , thanks JRD
@Fishgrain, that Anon-shaw is really a copy of the 4/0, the one I have doesnt have the 4 long screws of the bridge through the external side of the right side plate
Alex, it looks to me like the last fiber and metal drag washers are there to take up space, not functional.... unless the stack compresses down.... the next to last metal washer seems to be clear of the main gear, which is OK, but that would leave the last one non-functional.
Sid
Quote from: sdlehr on January 11, 2017, 06:57:11 PM
Alex, it looks to me like the last fiber and metal drag washers are there to take up space, not functional.... unless the stack compresses down.... the next to last metal washer seems to be clear of the main gear, which is OK, but that would leave the last one non-functional.
Sid
O...
Would you look at that!?
Good eye Sid :)
Quote from: sdlehr on January 11, 2017, 06:57:11 PM
Alex, it looks to me like the last fiber and metal drag washers are there to take up space, not functional.... unless the stack compresses down.... the next to last metal washer seems to be clear of the main gear, which is OK, but that would leave the last one non-functional.
Sid
thanks Sid, you know I saw it when I was installing everything back again but never though on fixing it, Duh!! :-[ :-[
that explains why the star feels hard to turn once is applying some drag, well now I know, there was no presure bell washer in there after the last metal washer and of course CF/metal washers dont compress that much.
I will fix that in short
Quote from: foakes on January 11, 2017, 03:49:40 AM
If you figure out which number would work, and do not have one -- let me know and I will send you one at N/C.
Got a bunch of these.
Best,
Fred
Fred you have PM
Thanks, Alex --
Pulled out a new 21-49.
I will get it off to you tomorrow.
Don't really have many Newell parts -- Check with Randy at Vintage Offshore -- he will likely have what you need.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: steelfish on January 12, 2017, 07:07:20 AM
Quote from: foakes on January 11, 2017, 03:49:40 AM
If you figure out which number would work, and do not have one -- let me know and I will send you one at N/C.
Got a bunch of these.
Best,
Fred
Fred you have PM
@steelfish, did your buddy ever figure out what the heck this reel was? I am having the same issue ID'ng mine, trying to find a replacement gear sleeve
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=31980
i am also located in Baja, I bought the reel from a guy up in San Diego who said he fishes down here alot, wonder if it was the same guy??
Same guy? Maybe the same reel?
haha, sorry, I never saw a notification of someone replying to this thread.
just surprised to see someone asking for the exact same reel model, so, maybe the same guy left one reel here in Baja and the new owner which is a local panga captain ended up with that reel, so, back to the question, NOP I never found the maker of that reel, actually I have the reel with me because the handle had a lot of play with sleeve and the captain didnt wanted to spend more money on it, so I switch the reel for some rod repairs as a favor to him because I havent touched that reel again since that time.
on a double thinking it might good time to find a replacement handle/knob and use it as loaner reel for friends