I have noticed that a lot of guys are purchasing vintage reels and I thought that it was a good idea to work on this model. Although it's simple, it gets a little tricky for the new guys. Hope this helps, Sal.
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I will start by removing the spool, key #47.
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The clicker tongue needs to be replaced, key #48.
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I will also replace the teflon drags with carbon washers, key # 56T
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I will now remove the housing plate, key # 45, and the handle, key # 15.
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I will now remove the crosswind connector, key #44, and pull the spool shaft out, key # 39.
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Next, I will remove the crosswind block, key #43.
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I will now remove the rotor cup, key # 27. Notice that I bent an old Penn wrench...I wouldn't want to bend one of my Alan Tani wrenches! Thanks again Alan, great wrench!
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I will now remove the pinion gear from the housing, key # 19. The bearing is held in place by a bearing-retaining spring, key #21.
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I used the same procedure as I would when removing the shield from the bearing. Be careful that the spring doesn't go flying.
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I also will remove one shield from the bearing. I prefer to leave one on.
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I will now pull out the main gear, key # 8.
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Now I will remove the dog and spring, key #5.
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The dogspring was weak. I did not have a replacement, so I made one.
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Take a closer look at the dog position. This is the part that will drive you crazy if you don't position it correctly.
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This is the correct way to place the dog and spring.
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I will now put the main gear back into place.
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I am showing the layout of the pinion assembly.
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And now I will set it in place.
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Do not forget to put the retaining spring back.
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I will now put the rotor back.
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Put back the crosswind block,
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the spool shaft,
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and lock it in place with the crosswind connector. Make sure the holes line up.
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I will now put back the plate and the handle.
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I will also replace the teflon washer under the spool with a carbon washer.
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The reel is now complete and ready to be fished!
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I did not show the removal of the bail and spring; it was working perfectly and I did not want to mess with it at this time. I do have another reel that will need it, so I will probably show this step in the future. This is one of my favorite reels; it is truly a marvel of engineering for its simplicity. Although to most of you guys it would be a breeze to work on, it could be tough to someone who has never cracked one open. I hope this helps, if you have any questions just ask!
Sal
sal, that looks great. thank you very much. also, i am certain that the guys on the striper board would love to see this one. you might consider registering and making this your first post on the striper board. alan
http://www.stripersonline.com/forum/list/212/reel-maintenance-and-repair
Alan, I'm hoping that you're not showing me the door politely ;D
Great post, definitely proves the fact that those early model spinners are a whole lot more simpler in design than the newer spinners.
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 15, 2011, 11:45:07 AM
Alan, I'm hoping that you're not showing me the door politely ;D
goodness, no! it's just that these are still very popular reels among collectors and striper fisherman on the east coast! check out the board when you get a chance. alan
Today I was replacing the bail spring on one of my smaller spinner. I remember mentioning a while back that I was going to post some pics, if I came around to it, just in case someone could use them. The reel is a 720, similar to the one above.
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Removing the rotor cup will be much easier
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next, the bail wire
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next, the arm release bail and spring
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next, the bail spring
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Now back together it goes.
Set the new bail spring in
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and the bail wire, making sure that the bent part of the spring goes in the little hole, just hand tight the bail screw for now
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and now the arm release bail goes back
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a nice screwdriver comes handy for setting the bail arm screw
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put the roter cup back, make sure the bail snaps nicely and you're finished
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Sal.
Great post Sal. You make it look so easy that even I might could do it. Bob
That's not for you Bob, I already know what you could do ;). This is for the younger generation that never took one of these apart.
It is a simple reel, but could get to you if you haven't done one before.
Sal, another great walk through... When skirted spools came out I let my old ones go. Looking back now I should not have done that. Young and stupid still follows me today...
Picked up one of these little greenie guys a while back for $20. It was mint other than the AR was failing.
Opened it up and the cause of the failure was old grease that had turned to bubble gum leading to the dog being stuck. 30 seconds of scrubbing with a toothbrush and corrosion-x and it was gtg.
Maybe some day I'll find a bamboo rod to stick it on and take it on a LR trip for making bait :D.
best
Am I correct that the 704 is the biggest of these? I'm looking for a big Penn spinner and I like these with few bearings.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on January 18, 2014, 05:27:00 AM
Am I correct that the 704 is the biggest of these? I'm looking for a big Penn spinner and I like these with few bearings.
Ron
The 706Z (bailess) is the biggest of the bunch in terms of capacity, I believe. Penn re-introduced the 704 and 706 and full specs should be on their website.
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This thread is extremely informative to a guy like me.
One who has accumulated a small number of vintage reels, but who has been apprehensive to take them apart for fear of screwing something up.
Have been lurking on here for a little while first time poster now, thought I would give thanks for this tutorial. After getting a old 722 greenie for my first vintage reel, this tutorial saved my butt on getting the the AR put back together correctly. Reel is great now replaced the drag with carbon disc. I have since doing the 722 picked up a 714z, and 430ss to tear down clean and relube. Waiting on a new bearing the 430 to get it back together.
That's amazing Sal.
Bevel gears and no oscillating carriage to be seen.
I would love to tinker with something like that.
On the hensteeth occasion that something like this does come in, it is in such poor condition as to be unredeemable.
Thanks for posting.
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awesome Sal thanks! I have one of those that has been giving me trouble, you're right.
This will be a huge help. great stuff TY!@!!!
Hey Sal, I was wondering if the carbon fiber drags perform better than the teflon? Not that I need a big improvement...just curious if there is an improvement. I just bought a 720z that I'm going to fish...it will be replacing a much newer reel that has fallen apart in a short 4 years.
Quote from: mo65 on March 14, 2017, 08:30:04 PM
Hey Sal, I was wondering if the carbon fiber drags perform better than the teflon? Not that I need a big improvement...just curious if there is an improvement. I just bought a 720z that I'm going to fish...it will be replacing a much newer reel that has fallen apart in a short 4 years.
Absolutely Mo, not really noticeable on this little guy, but definitely an upgrade from the teflon.
Keep in mind this posting is over 6 years old, things change along the way. I now prefer a delrin for under the spool or the stock teflon.
This is just my personal preferance.
Sal
The 722 I fish and went through I put the carbon fiber drags in. Was it really needed maybe not, but the drag is as smooth now as any reel. Definitely a plus to me since I put 6lb line on it and like knowing I have good smooth drag in case I ever hook into something with it that will really peel the line out. It doesn't happen often since the reel is mostly used for bass fishing, but occasionally bass fishing I'll get a decent catfish, drum, or big gar that gives my light tackle setup a work out when I'm not expecting it.
Hi Andy. Your fishing sounds much like mine...every once in a while a big drum or striper will take a wild run...and its nice to know my little bass reel will handle the situation. I've never used a Penn spinner yet, only have a few "plinth princesses" in my collection. This little 720z will probably have me seeking out more Penn spinners. 8)
The first reel I bought for myself was a black & gold 722z. I still use it a lot. The one thing I wish it had is a Manual bail. Any one have any ideas?
I was thinking maybe an extended bail release arm could be fashioned.
Jack
On the manual bail Idk it's never really bothered me not having one. The little penn spinners are great I like my 722, 714, and 430 a lot. The 714 and 430 I think are a little better using a worm gear vs a ring and pinion type like the 722/720. With the said the dam quick little spinners like 110's and 220's I think have much more robust anti reverse drag. If the dams had metal spools like the penns that would be the best. Mo I'm a fan fishing various rivers around me for smallmouth and fishing the ohio river below the locks that what I love about the rivers sometimes your in for a surprise as to what may bite. This past weekend while sauger jigging below mcalpine lock and dam with a penn 430 on old shakespeare presidential 6'6" rod I had a wiper that was almost 19" bite landed him but he gave my setup with 6lb test a little work out. Had the water been warmer and the wipers more active I'm sure he would have given me a better run. Once he hit I knew it was more than a little sauger didn't know if it was drum, cat, or wiper at first.
Quote from: handyandy on March 23, 2017, 01:49:11 PM
The 714 and 430 I think are a little better using a worm gear vs a ring and pinion type like the 722/720.
I bought the 720 for trout/crappie fishing...but I have been eyeballing that 430ss for bass/hybrid fishing...I foresee one in my future. 8)
I used these reels up to the year 2001 for trout and Redfish. They are now safely put away.
Quote from: handi2 on September 02, 2017, 11:15:06 PM
I used these reels up to the year 2001 for trout and Redfish. They are now safely put away.
why put them away? they want to be fished
Hello!
Opening this thread back up.
Does anybody have a 43-720-A Block in aluminum by chance? I just like the idea of metal instead of acrylic.
If there is any stock out there, please let me know!
Thanks!
Don't know about aluminum, but Cortez Conversions sells replacement blocks that he made.
https://www.cortezconversions.com/product-page/penn-crosswind-block-spinfisher-reels
There's a dude called Flytrooper over @ Stripersonline that sold a bunch to Mystic Parts. I'm sure he would know where to find them if they're still available, and you join & PM him. Just remember, though, that most reels of that era were designed with at least one weaker point to keep the rest of the reel from blowing up. One of Ted's blocks will most likely last another 50 years if you maintain, and don't overuse, the reel.
Does anybody have a break down and pictures of the parts that go inside the white drag knob? I believe there is a spring, a nut that threads onto the shaft to tighten and loosen the drag and a round piece with a shoulder on it, so 3 pieces all together or is there more parts inside the white drag knob?
No, that is all there is FH —
From the inside out — Brass nut first, spring next, lastly the brass collar.
Best, Fred