Some IDIOT just stole this reel from Fishermans Warehouse in in San Jose!
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag109/Cortez_Conversions/51970563619__58445E2E-4331-431A-8AD0-9845D46F7D83_zpsv3xfsivm.jpg)
This is a Newell sideplate prototype for Bryan Young.
It is the only one blue anodized in the world.
Here are rough pics of the plates unanodized.
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag109/Cortez_Conversions/IMG_1071_zpsdrhcyyr4.jpg)
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag109/Cortez_Conversions/IMG_1072_zpsmbwd2jk2.jpg)
If you find this reel, and give me the IDIOT, I will pay cash reward.
If the IDIOT reads this, your only hope is to drop it off back at the store no question asked. I will hunt you down.
Tom
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on June 21, 2017, 07:12:27 PM
Some IDIOT just stole this reel from Fishermans Warehouse in in San Jose!
This is a Newell sideplate prototype for Bryan Young.
It is the only one blue anodized in the world.
If you find this reel, and give me the IDIOT, I will pay cash reward.
If the IDIOT reads this, your only hope is to drop it off back at the store no question asked. I will hunt you down.
Tom
This is just depressing :(
Damn that is a beautiful reel
I hope you get it back!
I will keep an eye out and let you know if I see it anywhere
Tom this stuff makes my blood boil. With any luck the sucker tries to use it and falls off a boat and drowns. Dominick
Maybe he will be on a smaller boat........dah dum dah dum........
Karma is a b*tch. Karma never forgets. Karma always get paid.
Andy
I don't mean to pick at a wound but has there been any new information on this? There are a lot of us out here who would like to see justice served. How should we handle it if any of us ever spot it? For instance: If I were to see it for sale I would purchase it first (to secure it) then report it. But what if we were to see it being fished on a charter boat? I would assume protocol would be to take it up with the captain in private and let him decide how to proceed? Should we all be keeping a copy of this thread on our phones for proof and an explanation that this is a one of a kind and that it is in fact stolen? If this is true we need a new photo as PB has killed this photo. I hope this reel is recovered one day.
Mike
Quote from: PacRat on July 22, 2017, 06:14:56 PM
I don't mean to pick at a wound but has there been any new information on this? There are a lot of us out here who would like to see justice served. How should we handle it if any of us ever spot it? For instance: If I were to see it for sale I would purchase it first (to secure it) then report it. But what if we were to see it being fished on a charter boat? I would assume protocol would be to take it up with the captain in private and let him decide how to proceed? Should he all be keeping a copy of this thread on our phones for proof and an explanation that this is a one of a kind and that it is in fact stolen? If this is true we need a new photo as PB has killed this photo. I hope this reel is recovered one day.
Mike
Hello Mike,
Fisherman's Warehouse has reimbursed me for the reel. They handled this situation in a very professional, honest manner. I am very grateful and thankful for that.
I know that they have changed protocol regarding their line winding station to ensure this won't happen again.
I have a pic of the guy and his car that we think stole the reel. Because no one actually saw him take it, I won't release the pic. I don't think this guy is a fisherman, just a thief. The folks at the store got the pics because the dude came back a couple of weeks ago casing the counter looking for another opportunity. When they contacted him, he split.
If anyone sees a listing for it, please let me know.
I don't have any idea about what to do if you see this on a boat, except take pics, videos, etc. Chat the dude up for name, where he lives, etc. Get pics of him in possession of the reel!
Thanks,
Tom
I'll go you one better Tom. If I ever see this reel, I'll ask where he got it if I'm satisfied he legitimately purchased the reel I'll explain the situation and offer to reimburse him whatever he paid for it. If I'm not satisfied, I'll snatch it away from him and beat him severely about the head and shoulders with it and then toss him overboard. I do hope that one day soon it will show up somewhere.
I like David hall ;D x2
Since I'm a newbie, I don't know the geographical location. I fish the Texas and Florida gulf coast. I guess it could end up on eBay or Craigslist but I expect it's in some pawn shop locally.
I will be glad to step in if I see it.
Quote from: jnd1959 on July 24, 2017, 05:43:40 PM
Since I'm a newbie, I don't know the geographical location. I fish the Texas and Florida gulf coast. I guess it could end up on eBay or Craigslist but I expect it's in some pawn shop locally.
I will be glad to step in if I see it.
The reel was stolen in San Jose, California.
I agree that it is probably in a pawn shop. The Newell community is a small, tight community. If this does hit a
fishing site, it will be pretty obvious.
Tom
Sure hope we can find that guy... I have my eye on ebay.
Best of luck,
Dom
Did another search today but no sign of it on ebay live or completed :(
Just an FYI... whatever is said here is visible to anyone browsing the web, AT member or non-member:
http://www.google.com/search?q=fishermans+warehouse+stolen+newell+400&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS749US749&oq=fishermans+warehouse+stolen+newell+400&aqs=chrome..69i57.10366j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
The thief is likely to see this conversation. If you want to hide it, I can arrange that.
/Joe
This reel has surfaced. Stay tuned.....
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 15, 2022, 09:08:48 PMThis reel has surfaced. Stay tuned.....
Wow, 5 years later, amazing, hope you get that thief.
Fantastic news! I hope it isn't trashed. Always good to hear when special things come home.
Quote from: PacRat on November 15, 2022, 09:27:41 PMFantastic news! I hope it isn't trashed. Always good to hear when special things come home.
Nothing has been returned yet. I'm hoping the person who has it does the right thing now that they know what they have. They bought it without knowing the history. Now they know.
All right All,
So here's the scoop.
Today I was contacted by someone who said they bought a reel on ebay sometime in 2018(the reel was stolen in 2017). Saying it was too pretty to fish, they turned it into a shelf queen and forgot about it. Fast forward 4 years, they became quizzical and started researching the reel. Lo and behold, they come across this thread and wonder, golly gee, could that be what I bought.
They sent me pics, and I confirmed to them that yes, they are indeed in possession of my stolen property. I ask who they bought it from and they provided a very redacted ebay sales order showing only the seller's name. 15 minutes with Ebay fraud, I now have the seller's and buyer's information. I've given the this person the option to keep the frame and spool (Ice Blue Tib N454) and just send me back my plates and internals. No dice, this one is obviously fishing for funds. So now, in my eyes, this person is nothing more that a common thief.
Please keep an eye out as I'm sure this person is going to try and part out and sell this stuff. Hopefully I can pay a visit before they do.
Start looking over your shoulder you thief, that bump in the night just might be me!
Time for a road trip!
hmmmm........ >:(
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 15, 2022, 10:52:52 PM........I've given the this person the option to keep the frame and spool (Ice Blue Tib N454) and just send me back my plates and internals. No dice, this one is obviously fishing for funds. So now, in my eyes, this person is nothing more that a common thief.
pFFF .. I hate that kind of people
you did offer a cash reward for a return and info on the culprit. And you were reimbursed by the shop
I find the possessor's tale to be a little fishy. I would be near impossible for that particular reel to pass through the eBay labyrinth without being detected by the ever watchful eyes of the Ohana.
It did take alot of time for it to pop up,,,,,, :( but ebay should refund the buyers money if he returns it to you,,,,, ;) if not ebay should get in trouble for selling stolen property,,,, :D if not I think every member here should send ebay a complaint about this with numbers there is strength,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: PacRat on November 16, 2022, 02:32:51 AMI find the possessor's tale to be a little fishy. I would be near impossible for that particular reel to pass through the eBay labyrinth without being detected by the ever watchful eyes of the Ohana.
You have a very good point,,,, ;) I have looked and never seen it,,,,, ::)
If this person would have approached me with honesty and integrity, this whole topic would be closed. Everyone would have walked away with a little dent in the wallet and the case closed.
But sadly, that's not the case. This person is not only trying to cover their losses, but see how much more they can get.
After 15+ emails with this person, I have a pretty good profile of them.
It's crazy that a reel can be stolen twice and never see the sea. Never feel the pull of the drag or the excitement of boating the catch....
While the statute of limitations has long run out on the original theft, I'm going to pursue a new police report since this person has sent me pics of the reel in their possession and acknowledged they are not going to return it unless it's "mutually agreeable".
It was fairly easy to find the persons identity, and as much as I want to put them on blast, I can't. I will say, you know who this person is.
Please keep your eyes open for this reel in parts. Let's make sure this person has to sit on it for another 5 years.
That changes things. Seeking reimbursement isn't unreasonable. Seeking profit is.
If it were me, which it isn't, I'd offer the exact dollar value of what the shop reimbursed me, and not a penny more. Even if it was more than he paid, it would be equitable and fair. Even if it was less, still equitable and fair. But as you say, that's not the case.
Oh man this is crazy.
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 17, 2022, 01:55:22 PMI will say, you know who this person is.
Just to clarify, are you saying he's known by us here at this website?
The statute of limitations on the original theft would have expired a couple years ago, but there is no limitation on possession of stolen property (in CA). The property remains "stolen" and possession and/or sales remain criminal violations (496PC).
I believe that if the current possessor after learning of the status of legal ownership wants reimbursement, assuming he purchased the item in the belief and understanding that the seller had the legal right to sell the item to him, can recover his original costs to obtain the item (protects pawn shop owners if they abide by proper record keeping and receipts).
Or like a car that is stolen remains stolen, even though the license plate and VIN drops off the NCIC hit list. A stolen car can be "recovered" and returned to the original victim (or the insurance company if there was a payout) decades after the theft (a collector Mustang that was stolen and taken out of CA, well kept, and later recovered and returned to the victim).
Jim is exactly right —-
In California, under all jurisdictions, the reel still belongs to Tom.
The Statute of Limitations has expired —- but the reel is still "Stolen Property" —- and that right of original ownership does not expire.
Tom has been fair and patient.
If the culprit who has the reel doesn't hand it over —- all Tom needs is to present Proof of Ownership as evidence to the local Sheriff or PD in the County where the thief lives. Then a visit by the local authorities with Tom —- to recover the reel.
The thief is not even entitled to any reimbursement or monetary offset.
Pretty Straight-Forward, actually.
Best, Fred
This reminds me of an episode of "Auction Kings" where a sword sold at auction, and was later discovered to have been stolen from the famous Col. Oliver North. In that case the buyer was totally honorable about the whole thing and returned it. (No mention of any compensation.)
The drama continues...
Quote from: nelz on November 17, 2022, 03:49:26 PMQuote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 17, 2022, 01:55:22 PMI will say, you know who this person is.
Just to clarify, are you saying he's known by us here at this website?
Hard to fathom someone (in good standing) on this website, however someone in the industry not hard to believe. Bill
Considering the state of law enforcement and prosecution these days, especially in CA and the rest of the West Coast, I don't think I would be holding my breath about any action being taken, and that really sucks! :(
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 17, 2022, 01:55:22 PMIf this person would have approached me with honesty and integrity, this whole topic would be closed. Everyone would have walked away with a little dent in the wallet and the case closed.
But sadly, that's not the case. This person is not only trying to cover their losses, but see how much more they can get.
After 15+ emails with this person, I have a pretty good profile of them.
It's crazy that a reel can be stolen twice and never see the sea. Never feel the pull of the drag or the excitement of boating the catch....
While the statute of limitations has long run out on the original theft, I'm going to pursue a new police report since this person has sent me pics of the reel in their possession and acknowledged they are not going to return it unless it's "mutually agreeable".
It was fairly easy to find the persons identity, and as much as I want to put them on blast, I can't. I will say, you know who this person is.
Please keep your eyes open for this reel in parts. Let's make sure this person has to sit on it for another 5 years.
This needs a blast , so we know what to look for and were .....
This saddened the heart that some one read this and did not do the right thing .............
I think at this point these are the possible outcomes
1) the person returns your reel unconditionally.
2) the reel is returned after a lot of back and forth haggling to meet his terms. He should be publicly named and shamed.
3) the reel is never returned. He should be publicly named and shamed at minimum
I believe the reel could disappear forever. It's valueless to anyone who is clueless. Right now, it's just a cool blue thing sitting on a shelf....that just got too hot for the top-shelf market.
Only a sportsman or smart collector will know what it is and pay $$$$ for it. That level of knowledge would certainly cause the reel to surface in a photo op. We keep no secrets about our newest shiny stuff.
As it is, I'd forget about the reel (it's not the point anymore) and EXPOSE the perps that are trying to extort you and get a ransom for it. Exposing that kind of low life serves the greater good.
After that, procure a braided hemp product of sufficient length and test, and then locate an overly encrusted keel and haul away. Call me old-fashioned. 8)
Because of this theft, no blue sideplates were ever produce to sell to the public. This is one of a kind and it is very noticeable since it was the only one made in this color.
Dude, do the right thing. It's really your only option being the recipient of stolen goods.
Profiting from theft is theft.
very disappointing if person in question is a member here. i have had nothing but positive experiences here and consider you all my friends. sad that someone would place such a low value on their integrity. initially it was great to hear Tom would get his reel back after so long, hope he still does.
I can't imagine anyone that is a fisherman stealing anyone's tackle,regardless how much it's worth.No price can't be put on the sentimental value alone.
Bryan and Tom have done an awful lot for us and this site. I would hope you would reconsider, give back the items that aren't yours (even if you paid for them), and kindly leave our site. If you do these things I think Tom can keep your name to himself. I have no doubt Tom would honor that deal, as he is just that kinda guy. Obviously he is, as he hasn't put your name out there, YET.
If not, I think you should be put on blast, ridiculed, and forced to leave.
Just my opinion,
Dom
Yup, however he should be reimbursed for no less/no more than he paid.
I'm sure someone could persuade them to do the right thing ................. what a shame that it has to drag on this long..................... sad really.
Todd
I know some people that could "persuade" him..!!
I would happily buy it and return it to Tom. He has done so much and been a stand up guy to me that it would be an honor.
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 15, 2022, 10:52:52 PMAll right All,
So here's the scoop.
Today I was contacted by someone who said they bought a reel on ebay sometime in 2018(the reel was stolen in 2017). Saying it was too pretty to fish, they turned it into a shelf queen and forgot about it. Fast forward 4 years, they became quizzical and started researching the reel. Lo and behold, they come across this thread and wonder, golly gee, could that be what I bought.
They sent me pics, and I confirmed to them that yes, they are indeed in possession of my stolen property. I ask who they bought it from and they provided a very redacted ebay sales order showing only the seller's name. 15 minutes with Ebay fraud, I now have the seller's and buyer's information. I've given the this person the option to keep the frame and spool (Ice Blue Tib N454) and just send me back my plates and internals. No dice, this one is obviously fishing for funds. So now, in my eyes, this person is nothing more that a common thief.
Please keep an eye out as I'm sure this person is going to try and part out and sell this stuff. Hopefully I can pay a visit before they do.
Start looking over your shoulder you thief, that bump in the night just might be me!
Time for a road trip!
I believe that the Statute of Limitations has expired, in California. That is probably why the reel surfaced years later.
https://manshoorylaw.com/blog/california-statutes-of-limitations/ (https://manshoorylaw.com/blog/california-statutes-of-limitations/)QUOTE:
Criminal Offenses and Their Statutes of Limitations
While the most common statutes of limitations are one, three, and six years, there are also some other criminal offenses that have different statutes of limitations.
Below is a quick overview of the statute of limitations criminal for other offenses:
10 years – Charges of child pornography or failure to register as a sex offender after being convicted come with 10-year statutes of limitations.
5 years – Offenses related to elder abuse or crimes against dependent adults come with 5-year statutes of limitations.
4 years – Crimes including, but not limited to theft from an elder, fraud, breach of fiduciary obligation, and public official misconduct come with 4-year statutes of limitations.
3 years – Crimes like theft of a firearm, burglary, and assault come with 3-year statutes of limitations.
2 years – Sexual misconduct by a therapist or a physician comes with a 2-year statute of limitation.
END QUOTE :
Tight Lines !
Dave F.
Well, not to rub salt in the wound, here.
But seeing how, somebody else already bumped it! Did this slimy situation ever get resolved? I won't go on a rant, as I don't want to get myself in trouble
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 17, 2022, 01:55:22 PMWhile the statute of limitations has long run out on the original theft, I'm going to pursue a new police report since this person has sent me pics of the reel in their possession and acknowledged they are not going to return it unless it's "mutually agreeable".
It was fairly easy to find the persons identity, and as much as I want to put them on blast, I can't. I will say, you know who this person is.
Please keep your eyes open for this reel in parts. Let's make sure this person has to sit on it for another 5 years.
Since the Statute of Limitations has expired, I would be extremely careful, regarding this guy. He could file "harrassment" charges and, possibly, Slander, Libel, and Defamation litigation, if you publicly accuse him of anything, or others do so, on your behalf . . . If you, physically, "get in his face", you might find yourself in handcuffs, or worse. Remember, the Statute of Limitations has expired and you were fully reimbursed by the shop. You could be opening yourself up to criminal charges, civil liability and, possibly, more.
Frankly, with the above in mind, he has no legal obligation to you, whatsoever . . . Tread lightly !
If he sells it, I suspect that it will "quietly" go to a Japanese "collector". They pay top dollar and rarely ask questions, publicly.
Tight Lines !
Dave F.
Quote from: Benni3 on November 16, 2022, 02:44:19 AMIt did take alot of time for it to pop up,,,,,, :( but ebay should refund the buyers money if he returns it to you,,,,, ;) if not ebay should get in trouble for selling stolen property,,,, :D if not I think every member here should send ebay a complaint about this with numbers there is strength,,,,,, ;D
The Statute of Limitations has expired . . . The maker of the item was fully reimbursed by the store . . . You can't "double-dip" and, both, get the item back and keep the money you were reimbursed.
Frankly, the store "owned" the reel, as soon as they paid full reimbursement to Tom. Therfor, the shop should be the one pursuing this matter, if they are so inclined.
This is a "minefield" of possible criminal charges and civil litigation, since Tom was fully compensated. The guy who has the reel, now, is probably fully aware of this and just waiting for an opportunity to "drop the hammer", if he gets the chance.
Tight Lines !
Dave F.
In a "perfect world" . . .
(1) The police would catch the guy who stole the reel from the store ( but the Statute of Limitations has expired ) and receive whatever punishment he deserves ( which would be none. due to the expiration).
(2) The Seller on eBay would resolve the issue with eBay. ( The Seller might not be the thief )
(3) eBay would give a full refund to the Buyer,
(4) Tom would reimburse the store the full amount that the store reimbursed him for the reel.
(5) The eBay Buyer would return the reel to Tom.
Problem solved . . . But, how likely do you think, 7 years later, that all of that would actually occur ?
I am not confident in all of that happening, are you ?
Tight Lines !
Dave F.
I know it sucks Tom but I'd let it go.
my-.02-cents-worth
Steve
The reel, parts, actually, is still in the hands of a thief and wannbe scam artist.
It has been parted out and I'm sure everything but the Ice Blue plates have been sold.
This is an old issue that I have no intention of pursuing or wasting time on Alan's platform with. Karma will catch up with this two bit scammer.
Keep your eyes open, those plates will resurface at some point. I'm sure that lil wannabe is still looking to stroke his ego by making the sale.