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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Cradle Reels => Topic started by: sdlehr on December 06, 2017, 12:58:12 PM



Title: A different type of cradle for a 6/0 Senator
Post by: sdlehr on December 06, 2017, 12:58:12 PM
Just came across this cradle reel (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1940s-Antique-J-W-Smith-Fishing-Reel-Pole-with-Penn-Senator-6-0-UNIQUE/292351091254?hash=item44117ba236:g:tbYAAOSwZW5aH0gl) on the big auction site with a name stamped on the bottom. Because it is also stamped "PAT APPLD' FOR" I doubt the name is that of the owner, but "JW Smith" isn't a manufacturer I've heard of before. Anyone know what this is?

Sid


Title: Re: A different type of cradle for a 6/0 Senator
Post by: Swami805 on December 06, 2017, 02:38:49 PM
I think I saw it too if it had a slight green color to it. Interesting design,very simple looking and clean lines. I have no idea who made it but maybe an early proto-type or something.


Title: Re: A different type of cradle for a 6/0 Senator
Post by: Maxed Out on December 06, 2017, 09:41:55 PM
 Better get out your wallet if you want to outbid those heavy hitters. Too bad there's not a "poor mans" cradle   :D  :D

 Ted


Title: Re: A different type of cradle for a 6/0 Senator
Post by: sdlehr on December 07, 2017, 07:10:00 AM
OK, so I answered my own question, I found another photo of a Nep-Tuna cradle for a Senator with the same structure and gimbal... but the question remains why the "PAT APPLD' FOR" and "J.W. SMITH" are stamped in by the manufacturer (I see the reflections curving at the edge of the letters, that's why I think it's stamped and not engraved) unless Nep-Tuna offered this as a customized accent on their Senator cradles.... and note it doesn't say "APPL'D". Another hint this wasn't a mass-production and is a unique piece.
Sid


Title: Re: A different type of cradle for a 6/0 Senator
Post by: 1badf350 on December 07, 2017, 10:22:46 AM
Could it be a prototype?


Title: Re: A different type of cradle for a 6/0 Senator
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 07, 2017, 11:10:11 PM
Quote
OK, so I answered my own question, I found another photo of a Nep-Tuna cradle for a Senator with the same structure and gimbal... but the question remains why the "PAT APPLD' FOR" and "J.W. SMITH" are stamped in by the manufacturer (I see the reflections curving at the edge of the letters, that's why I think it's stamped and not engraved) unless Nep-Tuna offered this as a customized accent on their Senator cradles.... and note it doesn't say "APPL'D". Another hint this wasn't a mass-production and is a unique piece.
Sid

This cradle has nothing to do with Neptuna. Number 1, the reel mounted in it is a first generation 6/0 placing this cradle in the 1940's or earlier. The style is Ocean City; but, it is not an OC cradle. More than likely this is a One-Off copy of an Ocean City Design.

One of our members has won it, so he may come into this conversation. This is a very rare piece. Answers are still elusive.


Title: Re: A different type of cradle for a 6/0 Senator
Post by: 54bullseye on December 08, 2017, 02:33:18 AM
Mike
I don't think you can rule out Nep-Tuna all together ! I can certainly see the Ocean City style in it but if it was an Ocean City design why wouldn't they have used an Ocean City reel they were around then ?? Prototype from someone probably a one off and as I said on ORCA I hope more info pops up on J.W. Smith !!  I will say I am kind of happy to own it ! Looks like a lot of work went into casting and design for only one cradle ! Must have been a person with some mechanical talent and foresight and possibly some money behind him to make such a cradle. Hopefully more info will pop up to help fill in pieces of the puzzle.   John Taylor
                                             


Title: Re: A different type of cradle for a 6/0 Senator
Post by: coastal_dan on December 08, 2017, 09:38:19 AM
I was hoping you won that John, congrats. 


Title: Re: A different type of cradle for a 6/0 Senator
Post by: Tightlines667 on December 08, 2017, 11:29:40 AM
I was watching that one too.  Glad John got it.


Title: Re: A different type of cradle for a 6/0 Senator
Post by: Swami805 on December 08, 2017, 12:13:28 PM
Glad it went to John too. There's an odd looking 10/0 cradle on there now too. Looks very simple unlike anything I've seen. Hope I'm not messing with the eBay bid thing.


Title: Re: A different type of cradle for a 6/0 Senator
Post by: Devil Dawg on April 07, 2019, 07:24:05 PM
Lots of info on Neptunas. My Neptuna has a Penn 349 Master Mariner currently loaded. Looking for a list of Penn reels that are interchangeable for my cradle.











Title: Re: A different type of cradle for a 6/0 Senator
Post by: mikeysm on April 07, 2019, 09:35:45 PM
Their are no others just the 49 series. A 49l will also work I will have to look again but I think it is drilled for it.

Mike