Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => General Spinning Reel Questions => Topic started by: alantani on July 01, 2011, 10:17:52 PM

Title: spinning reel review
Post by: alantani on July 01, 2011, 10:17:52 PM
i would have to agree with his conclusion!   ;D

Quote from: mongoose on March 07, 2010, 10:17:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE6y3P1VaWc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE6y3P1VaWc)

tell 'um like is....no shame.
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Tile on July 02, 2011, 07:04:35 PM
That's why I switched to multiplier (conventional) reels. More of them are coming for me in the following years.
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Alto Mare on July 02, 2011, 10:48:49 PM
To each his own,  whatever floats your boat. I own and fish many reels, the spinners are one of my favorite to use, none of that crap of today though.
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Tile on July 04, 2011, 09:13:23 AM
The biggest problem with today's spinning reels is the main gear. It is made out of aluminium alloyes or in some cases antimonium. These alloyes can't stand up to the punishing regim that saltwater and freshwater fishing imposes. The old spinners didn't had this problem because the main gear is made out of bronze, steel or stainless steel and is no wonder why they took use and abuse and still run today.
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Alto Mare on July 04, 2011, 12:27:41 PM
You are right about the gears Tile, but that's not the only problem with the later model spinners. The stainless steel parts are not of the same quality as they used to be, and the bearings are also of poor quality. It's all about the bearings on a spinning reel, older reels had a simple design with only a couple of bearings and bushings, BUT of good quality, today you could buy a reel with over 20 bearings in it  that are not even good to use in a pepper mill. Graphite is another issue, I don't like it on spinners and also on conventionals.Spinners are my favorite to use, I'm originally from Europe and that's the only reels they still use there in my region. The spinning reel is the reel that started it all for me and I still enjoy using them today. I own a lot of Penn reels, spinners ss and conventionals, I don't think that anyone would find a better reel for the money. The SS model spinners where in production from the 80's to 96, they are work horses, the only issue with these reels is that sometimes the anti reverse dog would fail on a big fish. I think I was able to solve that issue, Alan asked me to check stripers on line, so I checked it out the other day and the first thing that I noticed was that one of the members was able to add another anti-reverse dog on a 650ss spinner, but wasn't sure if he could do it on the larger reels, It can be done, I already installed it in one of my 750 ss, the 9500 ss is next, all you do is  remove the clicker. Thanks Alan for guiding me to that site, that was a great tip. I'm now back to my favorite site though ;).
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: George4741 on July 04, 2011, 07:48:34 PM
Sal,
you should do a tutorial on how you added the second anti-reverse dog to your 750SS.  The article I found gave only vague instructions.

BTW, what is the purpose of the clicker and lever on the SS reels?  I always thought it operated a second anti-reverse dog.  Or is it just for making that annoying click-click-click noise?

George
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Irish Jigger on July 04, 2011, 07:56:40 PM
Hey George, have a look at this link.

http://www.stripersonline.com/forum/thread/786947/double-dogging-penn-650-ss
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Irish Jigger on July 04, 2011, 08:54:17 PM
Here's a better tutorial from our friends in Hawaii. Standard parts only required.

http://fishinkona.com/jigging.htm
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Alto Mare on July 04, 2011, 09:28:51 PM
I'm not crazy about that second one Irish Jigger, the first tutorial from stripersonline makes sense to me though. George, if you need me to show you how it's done, I will try to post a couple of pictures. It is pretty simple, I got it from looking at this tutorial. The custom spring needs to be the right dimention, that's about it. No need for loc-tite or anything like that, just the spring and an additional A R dog.
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: George4741 on July 06, 2011, 01:17:33 PM
Thanks Irish Jigger, those pictures and description explain it much better. 

Like most fishermen, I use spinners for freshwater fishing, but most of them hold no sentimental value.  Most of them were made in Asia and will be thrown away when they wear out.  However, I DO cherish my old Mitchells and USA made Penn 7500SS.
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Alto Mare on July 06, 2011, 09:41:26 PM
Hey George,
Here are a couple of pictures. Hope this helps!

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture1383.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture1385.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture1386.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture1386.jpg)
The parts on the right are the ones you will be replacing. You can use stainless steel wire, but I used brass because I had it.

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture1387.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture1394.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture1396.jpg)
Make sure the spring under the new AR dog is positioned the same way as in the picture.

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture1398.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture1400.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture1404.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture1407.jpg)
And here is the finished reel, ready for some serious fishing!

Take care,
Sal
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: wallacewt on July 07, 2011, 01:01:44 AM
good one alto mare,thats what we wanted to see
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: George4741 on July 08, 2011, 01:19:18 AM
Yes, those photos greatly help.
Thanks!

George
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Roger on July 09, 2011, 08:43:16 PM
There are lots of good spinning reels on the market these days but like most anything else you get what you pay for, Shimano and Daiwa both make some pretty good mid priced reels and Penn I believe is trying to make an effort in getting into the market but only tome will tell there.
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Alto Mare on July 09, 2011, 09:22:32 PM
Hey Roger how are you, I hear what you're saying. How do you feel about the older Penn SS models, like the one that I'm showing here.
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: redsetta on March 04, 2012, 02:35:32 AM
G'day Sal,
I've just finished adding your spring and pin upgrade to my double-dog 8500 and 9500, and have a question.
The pin performs the same function as the redundant dog in my 9500 upgrade (shown below), ie it limits the sweep of the silent dog, so it can't be thrown off the ratchet gear.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/20/3590_06_08_17_8_39_40_20591183.jpeg)

With the addition of the spring, does this not become redundant?
The silent dog can't sweep back off the ratchet, as the spring keeps it in constant contact.
Is it essentially a fail-safe or am I missing something here?
Thanks mate, Justin
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Alto Mare on March 04, 2012, 03:19:12 AM
Justin, can you show how you installed the spring? On my 9500SS I'm abe to engage one silent dog or both a the same time, but I'm also able to disengage them. I'm probably not following you, the silent dog tabs should always ride the ratchet, if they slip off you will need a new silent dog.
The lower silent dog will have constant contact when engaged, you will hear the clicking sound when on. I've tryed it without the spring and it wasn't working for me, the silent dog didn't alwaye engage.
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Bryan Young on March 04, 2012, 04:51:03 AM
Hey Sal, so, Penn 750SS on up has 2 dogs.  One is silent and the other is spring loaded.  I don't see the purpose of using another silent dog.  Is it just so that the reel is no longer noisy?
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: redsetta on March 04, 2012, 07:31:04 AM
Thanks Sal.
Despite having done the wire and spring upgrade on two reels, I still can't figure the wire's purpose (given the arc of the lower silent dog is constrained by the spring).
Cheers, Justin
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Alto Mare on March 04, 2012, 11:37:01 AM
Sorry Justin, I misread you message. I thought you were talking about this wire:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/525x525px-LL-bb1571ce_vbattach444401.jpg)
No spring under the silent dog, I installed it on mine because it wasn't engaging all the time. I did find the problem, the silent dogs that I had weren't perfect, I purchased a dozen from eBay at a very good price...I wonder why :-\ , some had a tiny split on the tabs and some were bent. I now have a couple of dozen from Scotts and everything is nice.
This is a good upgade, you could use the top dog alone, the bottom alone or both at the same time. By the way, how did you make out with the SS ratchet? We should get Lee to make us some SS dogs for the 9500SS, along with your SS ratchet..... that would be a killer reel :-\
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Alto Mare on March 04, 2012, 11:44:47 AM
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 04, 2012, 04:51:03 AM
Hey Sal, so, Penn 750SS on up has 2 dogs.  One is silent and the other is spring loaded.  I don't see the purpose of using another silent dog.  Is it just so that the reel is no longer noisy?
Yes, it will also give you the option to use just the top dog, just the bottom or both at the same time. Can't do this with a out of the box reel.
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: Bryan Young on March 04, 2012, 03:53:39 PM
Oh, I see, it's about the options.  I would still rather have both dogs always because you just never know what you're gonna hook up with.
Title: Re: spinning reel review
Post by: redsetta on March 04, 2012, 09:45:16 PM
Thanks Sal - just as I suspected.
The ratchet was delayed (a small job for a large engineering firm), but is due to arrive by courier today.
If all goes well with the design, I'll get a few dozen made and send you a couple for further testing.
Cheers mate, Justin