take a look at this video of a breaking test to a new okuma TCS rod, they dont call it unbreakable but seems to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QosiSJr1Hrk
disclaimer: I had to download the video from the oficial okuma new zealand facebook page and upload it to my personal youtube channel in order to post it here, FB dont allow to post videos on forums like youtube does.
according to the details on the oficial okuma page the rod is using the same technology than SCT and PCH rods
"The new Tournament Concept Series (TCS) Rods are built with Unidirectional Fibre Reinforcement (UFR) making them nearly indestructible. Our team put them to the test before they were released this year."
-Extremely light weight and responsive 24-ton carbon rod blanks
-UFR-II: Unidirectional Fiber Reinforced rod tip technology
- 3K-woven carbon outer blank wrap improves hoop strength
I was searching for light rods with strong tip to fish big Cabrillas with light gear and found this rods, amazing !
that is a freshwater rod marketed for largemouth Bass tournaments but I think they can be use it for inshore fishing too, I was told SCT inshore rods are using the same technology and are intented for inshore fishing so, seems that I finally found my next rod light enough to cast 1/2 lures and with tons of "hoop" to stop the bigazz Cabrilla Groupers
if you have a FB account and would like to see the video in HD click this link
https://www.facebook.com/Borntofishnz/videos/vb.237784823027417/937156556423570/?type=2&theater
Compadre, I'm not going to call them what they should be called from the way they performed that test, so that's all I'm going to say ;D
This reminds me of a blank many years ago offered by Dale Clemmens called Appogee or maybe Allegro. It was a top of the line fly blank that had pictures of him putting about 3-4 opposing bends in the blank. Pretty expensive but short lived. I wonder what happened to that line, that and the unbreakable Hexagrah.
Dave
I know nothing about those Okuma rods but blank sure does look a lot like the Ugly Stick blanks.
I've yet to find a rod / blank that excelled in one area & was not lacking in another. Rods with durabilty given as a point for sale are usually not fun to fish with for long. Xtreme Lite rods on the other hand can be the opposite not having good longevity.
There are a few US blank makers that I believe have found a very usable middle ground. I dont know anything about this paticular Okuma rod. I would reccomend you look at the UC Challenger Platinum CP70HP. There are pics here of me putting a load on it.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=1141.15
Quote from: steelfish on December 29, 2017, 06:59:12 PM
take a look at this video of a breaking test to a new okuma TCS rod, they dont call it unbreakable but seems to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QosiSJr1Hrk
disclaimer: I had to download the video from the oficial okuma new zealand facebook page and upload it to my personal youtube channel in order to post it here, FB dont allow to post videos on forums like youtube does.
according to the details on the oficial okuma page the rod is using the same technology than SCT and PCH rods
"The new Tournament Concept Series (TCS) Rods are built with Unidirectional Fibre Reinforcement (UFR) making them nearly indestructible. Our team put them to the test before they were released this year."
-Extremely light weight and responsive 24-ton carbon rod blanks
-UFR-II: Unidirectional Fiber Reinforced rod tip technology
- 3K-woven carbon outer blank wrap improves hoop strength
I was searching for light rods with strong tip to fish big Cabrillas with light gear and found this rods, amazing !
that is a freshwater rod marketed for largemouth Bass tournaments but I think they can be use it for inshore fishing too, I was told SCT inshore rods are using the same technology and are intented for inshore fishing so, seems that I finally found my next rod light enough to cast 1/2 lures and with tons of "hoop" to stop the bigazz Cabrilla Groupers
if you have a FB account and would like to see the video in HD click this link
https://www.facebook.com/Borntofishnz/videos/vb.237784823027417/937156556423570/?type=2&theater
I love the SCT boat and inshore rods. The are nice fast tipped rods with good backbone. I hope to try out their PCH rods next year.
Quote from: droppedit on December 29, 2017, 11:26:53 PM
This reminds me of a blank many years ago offered by Dale Clemmens called Appogee or maybe Allegro. It was a top of the line fly blank that had pictures of him putting about 3-4 opposing bends in the blank. Pretty expensive but short lived. I wonder what happened to that line, that and the unbreakable Hexagrah.
Dave
I loved the Appogee ultralight rods. They were strong but costly. My ultralight rod was the best trout and papio rod in one. it casts far and was strong and very fun to fish with all day long. Unfortunately, my friend broke the rod and I haven't found anything close to it yet.
An Ugly Stik is an "unbreakable rod"...... In my opinion, an Ugly Stik is worse than garbage. I wouldn't even accept one for free.
Whether or not it breaks is really irrelevant. You have to factor in what you are trying to do with the rod. How sensitive do you need it? How stiff? What type of reel, etc.
wow, thanks for the interest on the topic and replies, I know many rods claim to be unbreakable but are limp like a noddle and 100% solid fiberglass so, how sensitive its outta the question, I have one light uglystick rod but are for my youngest kid or loaner when fishing from the pier.
this okuma rods are 100% graphite and the technology used "as far as I know" is their response to black diamond rods from Phenix lineup, I currently own a 700H black diamond from phenix made from "what looks" to be similar techonogy in graphite layers, so if these PCS and TCS and PCH rods from okuma are similars to those phenix then they will be very sensitive, ligth and with extremely durable on a fish fight.
as I said, I was looking for something lighter for cast far 1/2oz to 3/4oz lures, my musky rod and my phenix black diamond 700h are good for heavier lures from 1.5oz or bigger but anything ligher I have to use an inshore spinning rod I have, but Im not a spinning guy when fishing from a boat.
OH Nooo, Alex I was completely off on the blank I recommended I miss read your prior post. Like I said I know nothing of this Okuma rod. I do know if there is any company that can mass produce a quality product Okuma would be one of them.... Jeff
Shimano uses the cross wrap carbon technology on some of their rods too.
I've handled a few of these. The heavy jigging (mechanical jig that is) rod sells for a little over 100USD and is a fantastic rod for what it costs. The blanks are light and load up nicely. They are absurd value for money.
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 29, 2017, 07:08:00 PM
Compadre, I'm not going to call them what they should be called from the way they performed that test, so that's all I'm going to say ;D
I hope that these guys don't test chainsaws ;)
Alex: I have a thread here somewhere where I rebuilt an Okuma Nomad salwater travel rod. The reel seat was glued to a thick cardboard tube (full length of the reel seat ) which was glued to the blank. The cardboard was wet and the reel seat practically fell off the rod.
The components are top end, the blank has a good action and after the rebuild has held up for about 40 days of fishing. I even picked up a couple more on a screaming deal, but I am going to rebuild the lower grip and reel seat before fishing them. I wouldn't personally by another rod from Okuma unless they have changed their method of attaching the reel seat to the rod or planned to rebuild immediately.
I think we do a lot of similar fishing (lots of days in a panga), so I suspect you might run into the same issue if they haven't improved the construction.
-J
Alex I know you build some rods,why not give it a shot, seeker makes some great blanks for what your looking for. clb 700 or 800 series depending on length, Nice light glass tip with graphite in the butt for power. I use mine with 200& 300 calcuttas and they cast small baits/lure extremly well and a ton of power in the butt end in case you need it. Just A thought.
I think I have 30 some seekers, never broke one or had a client brake one(not on a fish any way)
Quote from: Swami805 on January 03, 2018, 05:53:00 AM
Alex I know you build some rods,why not give it a shot, seeker makes some great blanks for what your looking for. clb 700 or 800 series depending on length, Nice light glass tip with graphite in the butt for power. I use mine with 200& 300 calcuttas and they cast small baits/lure extremly well and a ton of power in the butt end in case you need it. Just A thought.
I think I have 30 some seekers, never broke one or had a client brake one(not on a fish any way)
That sounds like nice blanks but are on the expensive side for me, by chance do you know if rainshadow blanks have something similar?
At first I was looking at the rainshadow RCLB70L blank and build me a rod, I still havent dropped that idea, tho
I've built a few rainshawdows but just very light 10' 2 piece blanks I use for surf fishing and don't know a shop that carries them to go pull on them. The blanks I got were very high quailty and fish well and I can't speak to the heavier ones,these are for 6-10line and pretty soft. I think there for freshwater steelhead. Heard good things though, and more importantly nothing bad. Maybe someone here could chime in.
I suppose with rods built overseas they're guilty until proven innocent in my mind.
Back in the 60's I Think John Collins who made trulines had a ad of him picking up a pile of concrete blocks with a forklift and one of his blanks. Just because a blank won't break when you pull on it is pretty meaingless.
check out some of the videos Kilsong has posted about the blackhole rods. Pretty impressive.
Dave
well, I was almost buying that rainshadow blank RCLB70L when I found and saw the videos from blackhole rods, they look extremely thin and light and catch snappers and YT of good sizes and I wondered how they work for inshore groupers, but they are not casting light lures on those blackhole rods but using them on slow pitch jigs or to cast heavy 3-5oz sinkers, so seems that they need some weight to "charge" the tip and work properly on lures or to cast sinkers, I dont know if they can work for my intented use which is using them to cast light lures far from the boat just like you do when fishing largemouth Bass in freshwater.
Guys from SouthCal will understand what Im looking for, check the 5th video on the link
http://swbaseries.com/media/
searching I found those okuma rods and their line up of PCH and inshore SCT rods, Im not affiliated by anymeans to okuma so, Im not set on those rods or promoting them but they look good on the tests and are very wallet-friendly, the breaking test on my 1st post is similar to breaking test of the blackhole rods http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=23066.0
if the blank on the okuma rods is as good as its promoted I really dont care on the guides or reelseat, I can fix them or change them later if need it, I dont think I can build a complete rod for less than $109 or $170 bucks and with good quality accesories (preferable less than $150 cuz it wont see much action only from time to time), anyway, just wanted to share, Im not buying it right away, I still need a 300 lowprofile reel to got with it, I just sold my lexa300 ::)
Quote from: Swami805 on January 03, 2018, 01:58:53 PM
Back in the 60's I Think John Collins who made trulines had a ad of him picking up a pile of concrete blocks with a forklift and one of his blanks. Just because a blank won't break when you pull on it is pretty meaingless.
somehow I dont recall havent read this answer from Sheridan (sorry amigo).
but although for some guys a blank that dont break when pulling hard on them is meaingless for real world fishing purposes that was actually what I was looking for at that time ;D
a light rod that is light, thin but not totally made outta glass fiber so it wont be a noodle rod (in action), I was and still after a light rod that could handle the destructible hands of a 7yo kid that pay no attention on how to treat a $200 phenix rod but at the same time I dont wanted a $30 dlls rod from wallyword.
those okuma rods made outta graphite with unilateral fibers, etc, etc, etc look nice, but still I havent gotten any, I heard really good things about those unbreakable ugly sticks, now things have changed a little bit and mostly looking for a blank with those specs to build it myselt for my two princess that want to join daddy for fishing, so, light, thin and heavy duty for kids hands, doest that rod blank exist ? that dont cost that much
Okuma is a good firm, that has not succumbed to the lure of "buy and replace annually".
I use a couple of their 7' SST Kokanee rods for trolling.
Strong, flexible, sensitive, good backbone, excellent price point if you look around ($50 + or -)
I couple these with Penn "9's", leadcore, 20' mono leader, and just a Speedy Shiner — no flashers or cowbells.
Never had a failure with these rods.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Okuma-SST-Casting-Kokanee-Rod/45828989
Best,
Fred
Fred, tell me about your boat what make & year ?... Jeff
Just a 15' Gregor, 25 HP Johnson, trailer, electric start.
Big enough and deep enough for 4 or 5 — perfect for 3.
Think it is about 30 years old, maybe a little more. Bought it used around 10 years ago.
Mostly new accessories like gear and fish finder, electrical, etc..
Simple.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on January 17, 2019, 12:38:17 AM
Just a 15' Gregor, 25 HP Johnson, trailer, electric start.
... — perfect for 3.
Fred
Agreed Fred!
PERFECT for 3!!!
Plenty of room for you, Steve-Meister and me!!!!
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And here is Steve, just a few months POST Surgery on his .... uh... 3rd knee!!!!
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And Fred, your boat turns on a dime, when your roving photographer looses his hat to the water Gods when the wind kicks up!!!
(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/7588_16_01_19_7_55_14_268722332.jpeg)
Let's plan another High Sierra Camping trip for Summer 2019!!!
Wayne
ok, ok, I know unbreakable rods are not equal to a good rod, but man!! I really enjoy checking this kind of videos of guys trying to break rods LOL
check this video of a cheapo brand Piscifun, sounds as a perfect blank for a kid and maybe for friends that dont take care of the gear specially if they like to highstick the rod to bring the fish
kind of a long video, but fun to watch, specially the final test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMl1NrOPppA
I have an Okuma PCH 74xxxh that looks like a Phenix Hybrid 700x3h with the woven carbon fiber look to both of them.
Thanks, pretty well tested in the video and entertainment as well. Could this be a promo rod for showing the masses and not the production run we can buy?
Years ago sylvan gaboers campained a Suzuki motocross bike and became the world champion butt it only looked like the crap they were selling us. Butt I'd still like to try this rod.🎣🚣♀️🧜♂️.
Quote from: gstours on December 03, 2019, 05:00:23 PM
Thanks, pretty well tested in the video and entertainment as well. Could this be a promo rod for showing the masses and not the production run we can buy?
there is only one way to know my friend Gus.
I might order one after xmas, sounds like it would be fun to fish spotted bay bass (no bigger than 2# but they are angry 24/7) and triggerfish with this Bassrod.
Thanks, I'm thinking 🤔 if I don't have to pay 💰 much this winter for snow plowing a little jig rod is planned. I ,ve got some goodies for you and will send them eventually 🐈🚣♀️