Charkbait Mark's comparison of Avet, Okuma, and Penn 50's.
Alan is mentioned near the end as in "I wonder what Alan Tani says about these reels?"
Wasn't sure where to post this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mvu7ITACcE&feature=push-u&attr_tag=w8Y-J1uagMLJH5Is-6
Steve
I was on that 10 day trip, I got 2 over 200# on the Avet SDS 50 Mark convinced me I would need. I also got a 87# wahoo on it.
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The most over used word to describe a fishing trip truly fits.
Epic!
Wow Lee, I'd rather have an 87# Wahoo than my 321# YFT! My best Wahoo is 53#.
Quote from: swill88 on February 12, 2018, 02:22:06 AM
The most over used word to describe a fishing trip truly fits.
Epic!
When we first got on the big fish there were 6 or 7 cows on and all of them wanted to play off the bow.
Quote from: Keta on February 12, 2018, 02:07:47 AM
I was on that 10 day trip, I got 2 over 200# on the Avet SDS 50 Mark convinced me I would need. I also got a 87# wahoo on it.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/23/1583_11_02_18_7_04_14.jpeg)
(http://alantani.com/gallery/23/1583_11_02_18_7_05_27.jpeg)
(http://alantani.com/gallery/23/1583_11_02_18_7_06_16.jpeg)
You sleighed them Keta way to go! Even a sawsall in the parking lot of Charkbait to cut up some hoo's. I remember...
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Quote from: Keta on February 12, 2018, 03:13:20 AM
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That's one way to chill some fish, or freeze them...lol When was that trip September, October or later?
Oh and one fat piggy slipped off the sled. I hope you used the quad to pull it up the hill?
Quote from: SoCalAngler on February 12, 2018, 03:51:02 AM
Oh and one fat piggy slipped off the sled. I hope you used the quad to pull it up the hill?
January 15 day.
:o Great fishing Lee - I bet you forgot about the arthritis :D
I was told by my doctor that I was cancer free a few weeks before the trip and the arthritis was only a minor problem back then.
I don't remember you talking about that trip in January Lee. It must have be something that is sort of routine for you. :)
-steve
January 2006, after my leg got crushed and I could not work they ended.
So... what are your opinions on Mark's reviews of the 50's?
Good comparisons of the three manufacturers.
I like abets, but have none of there LRS bigger 2 speeds and I've crushed a bearing or two just by adjusting the preset to high and then moving the LD to strike position, before I came here and learned better of course!
Ahem, so does anyone know if the sideloading on the bearings is systemic throughout Avets line up or is that just on there smaller older single speeds?
Side load occurs in virtually all lever drag reels when drag is pushed too high and the pinion bearing is crushed. It is dramatically reduced in the Avet Raptor series because they apply drag from both sides of a single drag washer and it's rarely necessary to push the drag hard enough to do damage. The regular HX has a ton of drag and it's hard to crush the pinion bearing; same with the new G2 reels because of larger bearings. The non-Raptor reels -- SX, JX and LX -- have no side load when fished within their specifications. In my shop I find more Shimanos -- Charter Specials and TLDs especially -- with crushed pinion bearings because people just push them too hard.
Avet EX reels are more robust and have much larger bearings.
Quote from: swill88 on February 12, 2018, 08:14:08 PM
So... what's your opinions on Mark's reviews of the 50's?
He was through but not like we would be. From a users viewpoint it was good.
Well, he's not an expert, only a fisherman. He said that several times.
Quote from: akfish on February 12, 2018, 09:22:55 PM
Side load occurs in virtually all lever drag reels when drag is pushed too high and the pinion bearing is crushed. It is dramatically reduced in the Avet Raptor series because they apply drag from both sides of a single drag washer and it's rarely necessary to push the drag hard enough to do damage. The regular HX has a ton of drag and it's hard to crush the pinion bearing; same with the new G2 reels because of larger bearings. The non-Raptor reels -- SX, JX and LX -- have no side load when fished within their specifications. In my shop I find more Shimanos -- Charter Specials and TLDs especially -- with crushed pinion bearings because people just push them too hard.
Thanks for that, I'm glad to hear that the issue is a non issue. Keep within the spec and all is good.
Nice looking fish Lee.
Joe
It was interesting but while I like Mark, and have made many purchase from Charkbait, he has his biases. He will never accept that Shimano makes some decent reels even if they have some policies that many of us don't like. He is also upset that Penn began selling discounted reels from their own website and it shows. I also wonder why Accurate wasn't involved in the conversation as they were once the "go to" reel in Long Range.
Just my thoughts.
why not accurate? likely because the retail price on a 50 ATD is $1200.
i've taken only a cursory look at the new penn X's. they look nice, but i hate the handle grip and that is your primary interface with the reel. it should indeed hold 700 yards of 130 pound braid with an easy 25 yard topshot of fluorocarbon, so it should work! my old penn 50 vsx has served me well, not to mention that it is now maybe an ounce lighter after the alaska airlines incident.
the makaira 50 i still consider to be the standard, though there are problems with the clickers.
the avets? i think their dry drags are a deal breaker. plus they're noisy as hell. um, but honestly no more noisy than a makaira with a busted clicker!!!!! ;D
so for overall price and performance, i'd still recommend the makaira, but i would love to get a chance to fish with the new penn.
"Dry drags" are easily cured.... ;)
tell that to avet......
Good one Alan!!!!
I hate opening up a reel with a glued on drag disk and full of salt and aluminum oxide.
Quote from: conchydong on February 12, 2018, 11:46:55 PM
It was interesting but while I like Mark, and have made many purchase from Charkbait, he has his biases. He will never accept that Shimano makes some decent reels even if they have some policies that many of us don't like. He is also upset that Penn began selling discounted reels from their own website and it shows. I also wonder why Accurate wasn't involved in the conversation as they were once the "go to" reel in Long Range.
Just my thoughts.
I won't go into why Mark at Charkbait had or has some issues with Shimano as he addressed this a few times over the years. Those concerns were posted on his website, allcoast which wen't away, bloody decks and a couple that are still around but barley.
What I will say is this and this has nothing to do with Charkbait and Mark Smith, is that Shimano made vendors of their stuff buy crap they had to sell. Remember then they came out with one reel, which was a ok reel but to use that reel correctly you needed to buy the whole system? The reels and the rods needed to be matched together or the "system" was not be complete. Remember that? I do. Well Shimano made it if a vendor wanted to buy those reels they must take the rods as a bundle deal. The reels were ok like I said but the rods were... well crap. Many issues with those rods and most came back to the shop were they were purchased. Those shops really could not hand out another rod as a replacement due to the one reel one rod purchase agreement. So the customer had to go through Shimano direct and they didn't really have a answer to the issue either. That left many customers upset with the store where they bought the gear and not where the problem really lay with, the supplier/Shimano.
Charkbait which was the first online vendor I found, had and still has value added incentives when purchasing certain items. Think what you will of those items but in the past there was free JB spectra, lures or packs, free rods and other things. Well a couple of vendors/shops complained about this so Shimano said that had to end that with their products because the other guys were upset. Ok, fine. Not just Charkbait but other vendors that added incentives saw a reduction in the Shimano sales as well making it harder to seel their gear.
Who does Shimano think they are? To come into your shop and tell you how to sell their stuff. Your at MRSP but a couple of complaints from shops selling 100's of less reels sell a month out weigh how you do business? Ok Shimano.
Personally I feel Shimano has it's place, but for me when looking at higher end gear, I feel Shimano is a bit lacking. I'm very lucky living in So Cal that I as fishermen has a wide choice of gear to look at, feel and get reports beck before I make a purchase. I know others aren't able to do so, so go with what is the best option for you. In many parts of the world that is Shimano.
Edit: As I was posting this I get a e-mail. It may be spam but it does say something about Shimano stepping up to the plate.
SHIMANO SUPPORTS CCA WITH $50K CONSERVATION GRANTS
I agree 100%.
I like Shimano reels and their customer service has always treated me well. I do not like some of their marketing practices. In order for me to get a price break on parts from Shimano I had to have a store front and regular hours, got the shop/store front but no way am I going to have regular hours. I also wanted to give my customers the option of using Power Pro line and I did not want to sell reels or rods. They turned me down.
I wish Daiwa had the kind of service & support that Shinano does. I'm not fond of how Shinano handles marketing and pricing but their support is great. Especially with them being 15 minutes away.
Quote from: MarkT on February 14, 2018, 04:36:18 AM
I wish Daiwa had the kind of service & support that Shinano does. I'm not fond of how Shinano handles marketing and pricing but their support is great. Especially with them being 15 minutes away.
I don't know if you have used Daiwa's service and support recently but things were changing for the better. I have not used it in about 2 years but at that time I needed 3 small items for 3 different reels. These orders were placed by phone on 3 different occasions and each time the parts were sent to me free of charge and in a timely manner.
It may help that I live only about 15 miles from Daiwa USA but I have heard others across the states in forums like this are finding the same results.
Again this was around 2 years ago, maybe even longer, but I was pleased with the service I got.
That's good to hear on the Daiwa front. I took my Saltiga 40LD2 to the customer appreciation sale at the Longfin last October and the Daiwa guys fixed my reel so that it freespools the way it should with 17# of drag by adding shims to the spool shaft. I was very satisfied!