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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: festus on April 13, 2018, 12:46:40 PM



Title: My first Senator
Post by: festus on April 13, 2018, 12:46:40 PM
The last few weeks I've acquired several different Penns in size, shape, and weight.  Surfmasters, Delmars, Sea Boys, Sea Scamps, Jigmaster, Squidder, Beachmaster, etc.

Learned about level winds with the 9, 209, and 309.

Learned about spiral bars with the 350 Leveline.

Learned about quick takeapart and thumb screw rotation with the Squidder and Surfmaster.


So before I start tearing down this Senator is there any thing different I should expect?



Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: festus on April 13, 2018, 12:47:49 PM
BTW, I forgot to mention it's a 4/0.  Similar in size to my Long Beach 68.


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: festus on April 13, 2018, 01:02:54 PM
And I forgot to mention the anti reverse only works sometimes.

Also, there is an unfamiliar washer under the star drag.  ???


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: festus on April 13, 2018, 01:11:35 PM
Yup, the dog spring is shot.


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: festus on April 13, 2018, 01:28:36 PM
As I mentioned earlier, I know nothing about Senators, but something looks fishy about the drag stack order?  Plus the eccentric lever is upside down.


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: Swami805 on April 13, 2018, 01:39:06 PM
If you did the smaller penns you'll be fine. Not a lot of difference just bigger. The drag stack will be a similar sequence than the smaller penns just more of them. should be a stickied tutorial for one or one that's close enough. Nice reel too


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: Keta on April 13, 2018, 01:54:36 PM
Also, there is an unfamiliar washer under the star drag.  ???

It is a spring washer.  Your drag stack is messed up too.


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: basto on April 13, 2018, 02:05:25 PM
Your drag is the same as what came in my 3/0. a  5 stack. This is the way it should be.(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/112%20drag_zpsnzkjssmn.jpg)


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: festus on April 13, 2018, 03:08:48 PM
Thanks fellows, looks like everything is here.  Got her cleaned up but I still need to do some work on the frame posts.  Might find time to get it back together late tomorrow afternoon.

My a/r dog is a little different than your's, Basto.  I have a few reels junked out in plastic bags, can probably find a spring.

BTW, what typical fishing situation is a 4/0 Senator used fo in saltwaterr?  Like my big Long Beach, really it's overkill for freshwater fishing.  There are some mighty big catfish in Tennessee waters but I haven't gotten one over 42 lbs.  TWRA is getting lake sturgeon re-introduced.  There was one stranded in a backwater of the Emory River several years that went 102 lb they rescued.  As of now, there is no record of sturgeon in the state awards book but there have been a few around 8-10 lbs caught.


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on April 13, 2018, 03:35:53 PM
Senators are a piece of cake compared to doing a level line or a 350.  The ar dog has me stumped.  Never seen anything like that.....Bill


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: mo65 on April 13, 2018, 04:34:52 PM
   Yeah Bill...that AR dog looks suspect Festus...no wonder she don't engage half the time. Let me check my 4/0 parts stash, might have correct dog, I prolly have some better posts I can give you too if you're interested. 8)


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: mo65 on April 13, 2018, 05:07:13 PM
   Yep, I have the AR dog and some posts. They ain't perfect, but they're free! ;D


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: bhale1 on April 13, 2018, 05:08:28 PM
I love this place.....good people😀
Brett


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: festus on April 13, 2018, 05:18:47 PM
Thanks big time, Mo, I'll take them.  The Penn schematic lists the a/r dog as part no 15-113h, but you know as much as they do, so it'll work.  I can at least reimburse you for shipping.  The 309 parts list says the same dog spring fits my Senator.  I have plenty of 9, 209, and 309 parts and am accumulating some 85 and 285 parts.  Thanks again, I'll pm my address. This reel cleaned up fairly well.


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: mo65 on April 13, 2018, 05:38:16 PM
The Penn schematic lists the a/r dog as part no 15-113h.

   I think maybe you were viewing the 113H schematic Festus...I double checked and the old 4/0 schematic calls for the #15-99. Here's a link to the schematic:

          https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/113.pdf (https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/113.pdf)


"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"



Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: festus on April 13, 2018, 06:10:24 PM
The Penn schematic lists the a/r dog as part no 15-113h.

   I think maybe you were viewing the 113H schematic Festus...I double checked and the old 4/0 schematic calls for the #15-99. Here's a link to the schematic:

           https://www.mysticaprts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/113.pdf (https://www.mysticaprts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/113.pdf)


You're right.  That looks more like it, but I still haven't figured out whether that spring washer I posted a picture of in an earlier post belongs inside the reel or on the outside under the star drag.


"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackles old online store over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: mo65 on April 13, 2018, 06:17:59 PM
I still haven't figured out whether that spring washer I posted a picture of in an earlier post belongs inside the reel or on the outside under the star drag.

   It goes on the outside of many of the smaller Senators. If there is room, it can be moved to the inside, but you'll know real fast if there's not room, it will scrape the side plate when turned.


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: Gman_WC on April 13, 2018, 08:37:39 PM
BTW, what typical fishing situation is a 4/0 Senator used for in saltwater?

The 113 4/0 black Senator has a lower 2-1 gear ratio -  113h Red 4/0's 3:25-gearing.
When I first started salmon trolling many years ago, it was the cat's meow for cranking up that 2.5# ball all day.
I guess you could use it for river monster cat fish also.
Clean it up and use it. With fresh drags and a ss gear sleeve, the lower gearing sure helps.

-gary


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: Alto Mare on April 13, 2018, 09:01:04 PM
Hello Chester, nice start on the Senator!  watch out, it's all downhill from here .
The reel is a little slow, but has its place. When you do get tired of it down the line, try some of these modifications   :
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9979.msg93421#msg93421
The 149 main gear and 49 pinion are a little faster and actually smoother on this one.

Enjoy it!

Sal


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: mo65 on April 14, 2018, 07:49:51 AM
   Note to self: Post Office closes at 10:30am on Saturday. Sheesh...and I showed up at 10:40...is there no justice?? :D I'll get the posts and dog out Monday Festus.
   I was thinking about what you said about the 4/0 not being a good choice for your style of fishing and I agree...as I fish similar situations as you. There's just not much sense in packing around several hundred yards of line that will never get wet. Now that you're into the Senators you'll find the 1/0 and the 2/0 are much better choices for catfishing on rivers. Properly set up, they have all the power of the old black 4/0 in a much more manageable package. Be that as it may...I still bet you'll be just like me...eyeballing 10/0s on fleabay! 8)


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: Keta on April 14, 2018, 08:07:02 AM
The Penn schematic lists the a/r dog as part no 15-113h.

   I think maybe you were viewing the 113H schematic Festus...I double checked and the old 4/0 schematic calls for the #15-99. Here's a link to the schematic:

           http://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/113.pdf (http://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/113.pdf)


You're right.  That looks more like it, but I still haven't figured out whether that spring washer I posted a picture of in an earlier post belongs inside the reel or on the outside under the star drag.

A 15-309 will work if you can not find 15-99 dogs.


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: thorhammer on April 14, 2018, 01:25:34 PM
Hello Chester, nice start on the Senator!  watch out, it's all downhill from here .
The reel is a little slow, but has its place. When you do get tired of it down the line, try some of these modifications   :
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9979.msg93421#msg93421
The 149 main gear and 49 pinion are a little faster and actually smoother on this one.

Enjoy it!

Sal


Dang it Sal, i just went through all four 113's in the winter to get them up to snuff and now Imma have to tear down two clunker Mariners and speed up a 4/0....nice bit of intel...


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: festus on April 14, 2018, 03:02:21 PM
   Note to self: Post Office closes at 10:30am on Saturday. Sheesh...and I showed up at 10:40...is there no justice?? :D I'll get the posts and dog out Monday Festus.
   I was thinking about what you said about the 4/0 not being a good choice for your style of fishing and I agree...as I fish similar situations as you. There's just not much sense in packing around several hundred yards of line that will never get wet. Now that you're into the Senators you'll find the 1/0 and the 2/0 are much better choices for catfishing on rivers. Properly set up, they have all the power of the old black 4/0 in a much more manageable package. Be that as it may...I still bet you'll be just like me...eyeballing 10/0s on fleabay! 8)
That's fine, Mike, I bagged up the cleaned Senator parts and didn't plan on reassembling it for a few days.  Even if I don't use the 4/0 for fishing much I'm still going to keep it so I'll have a Senator in my collection.  Got a Long Beach 68 I really don't have any use for.   It can't be very old, but it's still U.S. made but I don't care much for the flat rubber type handle.

My wife and me plus our youngest granddaughter traveled to the next border county to the west into the Central Time Zone this morning and learned also it's the dead zone for AT&T Uverse service.  ??? I had planned on bidding on a parts reel for another Penn, and my tablet, my wife's iPad and her cell phone wouldn't pick up any signal so I missed it.  :'( This was so far out in the country they're lucky to have land line phones and satellite tv.  ::)





Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: mo65 on April 14, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
  Even if I don't use the 4/0 for fishing much I'm still going to keep it so I'll have a Senator in my collection. 

   Absolutely, some of my favorite reels are ones I'd never fish. I've got a 9/0 first year Senator, not the kind of reel you see around these parts everyday. Any one who sees it says the same thing...as they sit and turn the handle..."What do you do with this thing?" I answer "Same thing you're doing with it". Here it is beside a Beachmaster 160. 8)


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: Army_of_One on April 14, 2018, 06:21:31 PM
  Even if I don't use the 4/0 for fishing much I'm still going to keep it so I'll have a Senator in my collection. 

   Absolutely, some of my favorite reels are ones I'd never fish. I've got a 9/0 first year Senator, not the kind of reel you see around these parts everyday. Any one who sees it says the same thing...as they sit and turn the handle..."What do you do with this thing?" I answer "Same thing you're doing with it". Here it is beside a Beachmaster 160. 8)
That sure is a pretty fidget spinner!  I've never seen the bushing in the Penn wrench shape. 


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: festus on April 19, 2018, 12:53:17 PM
I want to thank Mike Shaver for the a/r dog and posts for this Senator.  Dog worked perfectly, Mike, but the dog spring that came with the reel didn't.  No problem.  I robbed an old 209 parts reel of a spring and this is the result.  The frame posts you sent were in great shape.

Maybe this reel will get fished one day, not sure it'll be here in Tennessee, however.  Would be good for fishing deep water in some of these East Tennessee lakes with whole live shad or big cuts of skipjack herring.  Also maybe fishing the wall of the steam plant with some huge baits. 


Title: Re: My first Senator
Post by: mo65 on April 19, 2018, 04:40:46 PM
   That ol' reel looks great man! Just like you, I have 4/0s and a 6/0 slicked up and ready to rock. It's not unheard of...I know guys who catfish LB 68s, 4/0s, and 113Hs. For dropping lines off the boat they rock...but for casting I like a more manageable rig. At any rate, if you ever fish the salt, she'll be ready. 8)