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Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Shakespeare => Topic started by: JNG3 on April 17, 2018, 12:19:08 AM

Title: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: JNG3 on April 17, 2018, 12:19:08 AM
The plastic bushing surrounding the main shaft assembly is cracked/split. The part # is x20. The big auction site does not seem to have any. Where else/who else might have one? Thanks.   
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: festus on April 17, 2018, 01:28:32 AM
It'll probably be difficult to find that part without ordering another reel that's for parts only and salvaging it.  When I bought my first 2052 about a week later I found another one on eBay for a small sum that was listed for parts only.  This second reel just needed the dried grease removed then it worked perfectly.  These reels are built so well it would be difficult to wear out something unless it was plastic.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on April 17, 2018, 03:16:53 AM
With obsolete parts like that, sometimes you have to find a smaller nylon or plastic tube or washer and just make a new bushing using the old one as a pattern. It can be tedious and time consuming work. I've made numerous parts when I couldn't find a replacement. Parts reels can be an option but many times the part a guy needs, depending why it needs to be replaced, is worn on the parts reel, too.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: festus on April 17, 2018, 10:30:48 PM
Jim, is it this piece the red arrow points to?  Rear drag washer.  That's the only thing plastic I see in mine.  You may find something similar, maybe a rubber washer at a hardware store and trim it some.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: mo65 on April 17, 2018, 11:54:41 PM
   I looked at the 2052 schematic and I believe Festus is on the right track. The schematic lists the main shaft assembly itself as part #X-20 and the rear drag washer as part #X-7R. That washer is indeed leather like the other drag washers inside the spool. If yours is well worn, it will appear black and shiny, kinda rubbery. Here's a photo of that washer on my 2052. It can be replaced with about anything...leather, teflon, delrin, or carbon fiber. 8)
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: JNG3 on April 18, 2018, 02:07:10 AM
Festus and Mo65-

The schematic does list x20 as an assembly. The plastic bushing that is cracked on mine is immediately in front of the arrow in the picture. On both of yours it appears to be made of metal. The spool and drag washers surround it when the reel is assembled. It has two flats on it if that helps.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: festus on April 18, 2018, 02:32:36 AM
Mine is the EE model so it's about a dozen years older than the DC model.  Looks like there may have been a change in the latter made reels.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on April 18, 2018, 03:53:15 AM
Quote from: JNG3 on April 18, 2018, 02:07:10 AM
Festus and Mo65-

The schematic does list x20 as an assembly. The plastic bushing that is cracked on mine is immediately in front of the arrow in the picture. On both of yours it appears to be made of metal. The spool and drag washers surround it when the reel is assembled. It has two flats on it if that helps.

You are kind of up crap creek on that one. I've got a DA & a DC. The DA has a metal click gear and metal bushing. The DC has a one piece gray soft plastic click/bushing combo. I doubt you you will find that part anywhere. You could have one made using your old one for a pattern if you know someone with a 3D Printer. Otherwise, you'll probably have to pick up a cheap beat up DA or a Ted Williams III to get a decent main shaft that will last. Those shafts should interchange.

That was one of the ways Shakespeare cheapened the later models of the "Royal Maroon" series.   
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: foakes on April 18, 2018, 06:27:21 AM
If you could post a photo of the cracked part — I would look through my bins for you.

Assuming that it is like the metal piece that the spool assembly rides on?  Only plastic.

If you post a photo, and I have the part, I could send it out at N/C.  

This is a shaft out of a 2052 that I could use to test fit for you.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: festus on April 18, 2018, 06:40:51 AM
Quote from: JNG3 on April 18, 2018, 02:07:10 AM
Festus and Mo65-

The schematic does list x20 as an assembly. The plastic bushing that is cracked on mine is immediately in front of the arrow in the picture. On both of yours it appears to be made of metal. The spool and drag washers surround it when the reel is assembled. It has two flats on it if that helps.
I do believe it's this little section.  On my two reels it's made of metal but even though it looks like it can be removed, I can't get it off.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: JNG3 on April 18, 2018, 10:57:35 AM
Festus-

Yes, that bushing that is circled in the picture is made of plastic on mine and has a crack running parallel to the main shaft. This kind of sucks as I believe the reel is NIB and has never been used. The drag knob was been very tight when I took it out of the box. I believe someone in the past over tightened the drag and that was what possibly damaged the bushing.

Foakes-

That is a very generous offer. Thank you. When I get home from work I will attempt to post a picture.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: mo65 on April 18, 2018, 03:12:23 PM
Quote from: JNG3 on April 18, 2018, 02:07:10 AM
Festus and Mo65-
The plastic bushing that is cracked on mine is immediately in front of the arrow in the picture. On both of yours it appears to be made of metal.

   Yes indeed...mine is metal...like Festus I have the EE model. I don't have any Shakespeare parts either, darn it. Hey, how bad is that bushing cracked? Can it be epoxied? ???
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on April 18, 2018, 06:28:53 PM
The click gear and bushing are one piece and it won't slide off. I think it was probably installed onto the heated shaft. The flat sides position the drag washers so they function properly. If it was removable then it would spin on the shaft rather than holding the washers correctly with the spool spinning on the bushing portion when line is being played out with the drag. The linear split on those is quite common, especially when the drag knob is tightened down for long periods. One of the big downfalls of plastic parts, they get old and brittle, and then crack with expansion/contraction. You might try picking up an appropriate sized nylon tube/ferrule at the hardware store, cut the old bushing off about an 1/8 - 3/16" above the click washer, remake the top portion out of the nylon tube/ferrule and glue it on with epoxy or JB Weld. I suppose you could try to mold the top portion of the bushing with JB Weld & file it down to fit but that would be a difficult fit since it's such a small diameter. Probably your only other option is trying to find a replacement main shaft.

   
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: JNG3 on April 19, 2018, 12:19:14 AM
OK, I took 3 pictures. Now I need to figure out how to post the pics.

I'll add these pics for Jim — Best, Fred...
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on April 19, 2018, 03:34:57 AM
Those may have even been molded directly on the shaft rather than hot set. If you look inside the split you'll see a couple of grooves that are more than likely to hold the plastic in place. There is no joint under the washer between the bushing portion and the click gear.

Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: JNG3 on April 19, 2018, 01:42:25 PM
Thanks for posting those Fred. Technology is not my strong point.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on April 19, 2018, 09:18:22 PM
I got to thinking about Mike's epoxy idea and I'm pretty sure I figured out a fix. The shaft has grooves that will hold JB Weld but you could also file a couple more rough areas just in case. I happened to have a McDonald's straw and believe it or not it is a perfect fit over the original plastic bushing. So here's the idea.

Cut off the plastic bushing like I suggested earlier. Below is an example using one of your pics. Use the straw as a JB Weld form and cut it to the appropriate length. Slip it over whats left on the bushing (you could add a small pin into the existing plastic on both sides to help bind the two together). Center the straw form on the shaft & fill it with JB Weld to the old bushing length. Wait a couple of days until the JB Weld has set hard, cut the form off & file or sand the two flat areas to the correct size & depth. On a UL like this, it should last a lifetime.  :) 
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: mo65 on April 20, 2018, 12:11:29 AM
   I was thinking first...before any cutting...just spread that crack with a thin utensil and blast it clean. Then cram some 2-part epoxy into the crack...pinch it tight...and tape it off until it's well set. Tommy said the magic words..."on an ultralight it should last a lifetime". The only way you'll bust it again would be to screw that drag knob in as hard as it was when you got it. If by chance this doesn't work, I'm positive Tommy's procedure would. 8)
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: JNG3 on April 20, 2018, 11:14:07 AM
Well I finally got all the old petrified grease cleaned out of it last night. No evidence that this reel was ever used. No wear of any kind anywhere. So someone must have at some point when looking at it years ago cranked the drag down as tight as it would go and years of this pressure split the bushing. Greased all moving parts, reassembled and it is ready for business. Or at least until the bushing splits completely in half. I'm going to explore either repairing the existing bushing or finding an older mainshaft with a metal ratchet and bushing. However this is why I ALWAYS back the drags off all my reels when I'm not using them. Not good to leave drags tight for long periods of time.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: mo65 on April 20, 2018, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: JNG3 on April 20, 2018, 11:14:07 AM
So someone must have at some point when looking at it years ago cranked the drag down as tight as it would go and years of this pressure split the bushing.

   I just restored a Penn 430ss and had a similar experience. A previous user had torqued the drag knob down and busted it. While searching for a replacement I learned these drag knobs are busted often, and I was perplexed, how could such a tiny reel need the drag knob so tight? In this particular part's case, I discovered that the drag spring underneath it had been installed upside down. This puts a bind on the drag knob...bet it happens all the time...hence all the busted drag knobs!
   I guess that's a long winded way to say I agree with JNG3, user error busts plastic. Maybe we should call steel parts "idiotproof" instead of "bulletproof". All in all...that is a dandy little reel you have there JNG3...and I'm sure you'll either find a replacement part or fix the cracked one. I'm betting under normal fishing conditions it may work just fine as is. 8)
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: happyhooker on April 20, 2018, 03:53:41 PM
Even if the JB Weld idea isn't tried on this reel, the basic technique should be kept in mind for future possibilities.

Frank
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: foakes on April 20, 2018, 05:17:20 PM
I think the repair would work very well, as Tommy, HH, and Mike point out...

However, I will be looking through bins today for the shaft you need, Jim...

If I cannot find one, I will send you a metal complete shaft and arbor from a restore I did about 2 months ago.  The old 2052 is just apart, I already have one completed for personal use, and there are a few hundred projects in front of this little guy.

This example should be the poster child for acquiring reels that have plastic parts in places where they should be metal.  Some could say — well, the spool is plastic — and the metal arbor gouges the spool — but that is another story.  The bottom line is: manufacturers used plastic because it was cheaper to produce a part — and their excuse to anglers was that "the use of composites reduces weight, and results in better handling, no corrosion, and less fatigue".  Give me a break, it is an 8 ounce reel!  It all boils down to putting profit ahead of engineering pride.

Just my personal opinions...

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: mo65 on April 20, 2018, 06:30:42 PM
Quote from: foakes on April 20, 2018, 05:17:20 PM
I will send you a metal complete shaft and arbor from a restore I did about 2 months ago.

   How many times have I seen Fred come to the rescue like this? I don't have enough fingers and toes to add it up. Way to go Fred...and enjoy that reel Jim! 8)
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Gfish on April 20, 2018, 07:54:51 PM
Agree with Fred's "poster child" opinion. Advantages of various types a plastic in reels are: no corrosion and lighter weight---worth it? IMO no, not in the long run. Indeed, plastic has it's advantageous uses, but not in reels. I'll take steel, aluminum and rubber any day, along with the extra weight.
Now, if only I can find out which reels are hidin plastic parts that receive alotta pressure/friction, that aren't teflon or delrin washers....and not buy 'em!
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: JNG3 on April 20, 2018, 10:36:05 PM
Once again Fred I am floored by your generous offer. Thank you. And thanks to all who have offered their advice and suggestions. I really mean that!
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: foakes on April 20, 2018, 11:25:56 PM
Please PM or email me your full mailing address, Jim —

I will get it off Monday.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Chuck750ss on April 21, 2018, 02:02:29 AM
Quote from: mo65 on April 20, 2018, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: JNG3 on April 20, 2018, 11:14:07 AM
So someone must have at some point when looking at it years ago cranked the drag down as tight as it would go and years of this pressure split the bushing.

   I just restored a Penn 430ss and had a similar experience. A previous user had torqued the drag knob down and busted it. While searching for a replacement I learned these drag knobs are busted often, and I was perplexed, how could such a tiny reel need the drag knob so tight? In this particular part's case, I discovered that the drag spring underneath it had been installed upside down. This puts a bind on the drag knob...bet it happens all the time...hence all the busted drag knobs!
   I guess that's a long winded way to say I agree with JNG3, user error busts plastic. Maybe we should call steel parts "idiotproof" instead of "bulletproof". All in all...that is a dandy little reel you have there JNG3...and I'm sure you'll either find a replacement part or fix the cracked one. I'm betting under normal fishing conditions it may work just fine as is. 8)
I did that to my 420ss right after I got it. Realized what I did immediately. If I could have kicked myself in the rear end, I would have at that time! Epoxy back together, no real problem.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Gfish on April 21, 2018, 02:22:56 AM
Thinkin 'bout it, when I snag-up and can't finesse it free, I do torque down the drag gettin ready to break the line. Gotta change my habit from doin that, to just grabbin the  spool, holdin on and pullin.
Very artistic, "outta the box thinkin" way to fix it Tommy.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on April 21, 2018, 02:55:06 AM
Thanks, Greg.

I've never really had much luck with epoxy bonding to plastic, even the specialized plastic epoxies. Seems like they adhere for a little while & then separate from the plastic when stressed.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: festus on April 21, 2018, 03:25:15 AM
I'm scratching my head wondering why Shakespeare would insert a plastic part right there instead of metal knowing it could break with all the success of their earlier 2052......and lest not forget this gives me another opportunity to rant about the DAM plastic ratchet wheel on the Quick 550N.   >:( ;) ;D
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on May 12, 2018, 04:51:03 AM
Well when I opened up my DC a couple of weeks ago to take a look at the main shaft click gear/bushing I noticed that mine was cracked just like Jim's and when I removed the spool one side of the flat portion fell off. I finally got a little time last week to perform the fix I mentioned. If you remember, I found that a McDonald's straw fit perfectly over the bushing portion. It just so happens that Runza's straws are the same size and clear so I used one of their straws for a form. For any of you poor souls that don't have Runza restaurants in your area, you don't know what you are missing. They were started in Nebraska and well liked throughout the midwest.

The clear straw works great because you can see whether or not there are any voids in the JB Weld.

I removed the main shaft, measured the length of the round portion of the bushing (10 mm) and the flat sided length length (5 mm). I used 3 washers as a spacing guide above the click gear so that the cut would be straight and true all the way around. I used a small craft metal backsaw to cut the plastic around the shaft.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_53_53_244261323.jpeg)

Next I roughed up the shaft surface and filed a couple of small grooves in the main shaft to give the JB Weld better adherence. I cut two straw forms, just in case I needed an extra, the correct length. I also had an old ball point pen section that was the perfect diameter to slip over the straw to make sure the form stayed perfectly round. I mixed the JB Weld and added about 10% clear 3 ton epoxy to help make the JB Weld a little harder when finally set.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_53_49_24426919.jpeg)
(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_53_54_24428143.jpeg)

I put tape on the threads to protect them from the epoxy and slipped the straw form over the portion of the bushing I left in place.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_53_59_244291643.jpeg)

I used a block of wood and part of a pen for a stand to hold the shaft while I packed the JB Weld into the straw form.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_54_00_24430211.jpeg)

Once the form was full, leveled at the top and centered on the shaft I slipped the rigid piece of pen over the form to make sure it stayed round until the JB Weld cured.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_54_02_244312148.jpeg)

I let it cure for a couple of days to make sure it was good and hard. I removed the pen form and tape and this is what I had.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_54_03_244321774.jpeg)

I made a small slit in the straw form at the base with an exacto knife and it slid right off. It was a tight fit into the spool bushing so I sanded it down a little with 320 & then 800 grit sandpaper until it turned freely in the spool bushing.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_54_05_24433427.jpeg)

There are 16 points on the click gear so I marked the grooves between 8 on each side for a guide. That way I could make sure the flat areas were correctly placed opposite each other. I used a mini file and drag washer as a guide to file the 5 mm flat sided areas until the washer fit perfectly.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_54_07_24434277.jpeg)

I figured that while I had the reel apart to fix the click gear/bushing I might as well clean and service it. For those that wonder how Shakespeare cheapened their last versions of the "Maroons", among things like the handle, they also went to nylon encased ball bearings without a metal race on this 2052.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_54_07_24434388.jpeg)

Here the reel is cleaned & lubed, and you can see the epoxy click gear/bushing repair.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_54_10_244361792.jpeg)

Ready for the sideplate, spool & drag knob.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_54_12_24437928.jpeg)

Ready to fish or display.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/17004_11_05_18_7_54_12_24437483.jpeg)

The epxoy bushing repair will more than likely last as long as the rest of the reel.  ;D              
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: mhc on May 12, 2018, 07:28:55 AM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on May 12, 2018, 04:51:03 AM
The epxoy bushing repair will more than likely last as long as the rest of the reel.  ;D              

I think so to Tommy, JB weld is pretty tough even without the 10% 30T epoxy you added. An innovative repair and very tidy work with the epoxy - thanks for sharing.

Mike  
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Gfish on May 12, 2018, 01:12:42 PM
Nice! "Puttin your money where your mouth is"...
Be interesting to see what kinda drag stress that epoxy bushing could handle, perhaps the the spool 'er somethin else would fail first.
Also, good to know about the cheapening of these models in latter years. I guess it's compete for market-share, or lose out. Thankfully, there's always options for better quality: rebuild the older good stuff or lay down more money for "state of the art" quality.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Chuck750ss on May 12, 2018, 02:38:22 PM
Tommy, you didn't ever work in a paper mill did you? Your repair job on the spool shaft indicates that you did! :)
Outstanding job. Man doesn't use his head he should just as soon have two.......! What my dad used to say.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: foakes on May 12, 2018, 03:45:22 PM
Great restore job, Tommy!

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Alto Mare on May 12, 2018, 07:56:40 PM
Tom, I'm always amazed by your work, you got some serious talent. Thanks for showing us how it's done.

Sal
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: festus on May 12, 2018, 08:42:54 PM
I'm sure Tom's alteration is better than what was installed by the factory.  Just wondering how much Shakespeare saved by making that part plastic?

BTW, I have an extra 2052, it's a D.A., got it for parts.  It functions fine anyhow.  I checked it out today, noticed it is metal where Tommy replaced the plastic part but the pinion bearing is made in Japan. Bearing isn't plastic, but shielded metal  :-\ Only other difference I can see between it and the E.E. model is the handle.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: happyhooker on May 12, 2018, 09:46:08 PM
That was a successful surgery, Tommy.  Patient looks fully recovered.

Frank
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Rivverrat on May 12, 2018, 10:05:26 PM
Pretty slick fix... Jeff
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: JNG3 on May 15, 2018, 01:38:36 PM
Wow, that is an excellent "step by step how to" on repairing that Tommy! Fred sent me an all metal main shaft the other day in the mail. I will be replacing mine with his. However I might just repair mine like you did yours. Never know when I'll end up with another 2052. My luck it will have a cracked plastic bushing too.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: festus on May 15, 2018, 03:10:56 PM
Quote from: JNG3 on May 15, 2018, 01:38:36 PM
Never know when I'll end up with another 2052. My luck it will have a cracked plastic bushing too.
I have both the 2052 EE and a DA.  Their bushings aren't plastic.  Make sure you get one of the older ones and you probably won't have the problem. I also have a 2062 EF and it doesn't have plastic either.   
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: PacRat on July 20, 2019, 04:26:51 AM
Hey Guys, Be careful with the DAs. I have one that I would assume is un-molested. Original factory grease, very crisp side screws, all the usual old funk and patina ....and it has the plastic bushing. The click gear/bushing was cracked so I'll be doing Tommy's fix when I find a straw the right size.
Is 'DA' a date code or just part of the model number. Does anyone know the chronology of the series?
Thanks
-Mike
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Gfish on July 20, 2019, 04:57:42 AM
You might be able to drip some super glue into the crack while spreading it apart with a knife, then wrap it together with electrical tape. Then you'ed haveta scrape the tape off with a razor.  

There's a post by festus in "Fishing Antiques and Collectables" with the date codes, dated April 14 2018.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on July 20, 2019, 05:12:51 AM
Shakespeare used the two letter code to indicate the first, and then the next/latest design change of US made models, many changes of which were minor. EE (1966) was the first 2052, DA (1970) second & DC (1978) which was last design change just prior to stopping production of that series.

Depending on where you live  ::), you best not wait too long finding the right size plastic straw!  :o  If you happen to be in one of those unobtainable areas let me know. We still value plastic in the heartland, I'll send you a couple.  ;D
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: PacRat on July 20, 2019, 05:26:15 AM
Thanks G. This is some strange plastic. It's very soft and slick (like Teflon). Mine cracked a little different than the others. It has a circumferential crack that separated the tip where the flats for the drag washers are. Then there's also a longitudinal crack in the piece that's separated. Since this is where 100% of the drag is focused...I'm not sure if I trust superglue here. Good thing this is an ultra-light.
I'm going to look into those date codes better.
Here's what I gathered from this thread plus my own experience. I compiled a list of known samples by date code and which bushing they have.
EE (1966), four metal
EC (1968), unknown
DA (1970), two metal, one plastic
DC (1978), one plastic

Thanks Tommy, you posted while I was typing and your timeline fits. I suspect that the DAs may have had metal at first, then plastic as the parts ran out. Have you fished your JB Weld fix yet?...Maybe not with all those Cardinals you have.

-Mike

Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: mo65 on July 20, 2019, 08:32:26 PM
   Here's a Shakespeare date code chart you fellows can use to help date those reels. 8)
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: PacRat on July 20, 2019, 08:48:05 PM
Thanks Mo,
I went back and added dates to my previous post with known examples. So far we only have samples from 3 date codes. DA (1970) has one of each and EE (1966) has four metal. So a DA may be a crap-shoot unless you can confirm before you buy. Does anyone know of other date codes between EE and DA?
-Mike
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: happyhooker on July 21, 2019, 02:24:58 AM
Not sure about the 2052, but the 2071 has a pinion ball bearing too; size is 7/8 in. X 3/8 in. X 9/32 in.  That size just happens to be a standard size BB & you can buy 'em lots of places, prices run around a buck or up, depending on how much quality you think a 99 cent BB has.  I wonder if all the Maroons had the same size BB?  An option if you don't care for a nylon race BB.

Frank
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: PacRat on July 21, 2019, 02:51:31 AM
Thanks Frank, that's good to know. I haven't taken it that far down yet because once the old waxy grease softened up everything is working really good. I have the first phase of Tommy's JB Weld fix done. In a day or two I'll remove the straw form and shape it. Once I know how well the drag and spool are working out, I'll do the whole thing. The bearings spin really nice but they may be a little loose...probably from nylon races. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
-Mike
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: oc1 on July 21, 2019, 05:00:31 AM
I don't know the reel, but does it really matter if the bushing is cracked?  When in use, isn't it supported all the way around?
-steve
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: mo65 on July 21, 2019, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: oc1 on July 21, 2019, 05:00:31 AM
I don't know the reel, but does it really matter if the bushing is cracked?  When in use, isn't it supported all the way around?
-steve

   I think maybe if you screwed the drag knob down on the cracked sleeve, it would spread and rub on the spool.

Quote from: PacRat on July 21, 2019, 02:51:31 AM
The bearings spin really nice but they may be a little loose...probably from nylon races. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
-Mike

   Not sure about how these nylon dudes will react, but I just restored a Heddon that had great spinning bearings that felt a little sloppy in hand. Once put back in the reel all tolerance issues disappeared though.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: oc1 on July 21, 2019, 07:54:11 PM
Quote from: mo65 on July 21, 2019, 02:48:49 PM
I think maybe if you screwed the drag knob down on the cracked sleeve, it would spread and rub on the spool.[/color]
A plastic sleeve is going to compress a bit whether it's cracked or not.  Sounds like one of those Shakespearean fatal flaws.
-steve
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: happyhooker on July 22, 2019, 02:00:06 AM
With reels like this having a ball bearing on the pinion shaft (or elsewhere, for that matter), if you haven't checked lately, it can pay to take a peek at the bearing, even if the reel seems to turn properly.  The balls, being steel, can rust solid to the cage (if it's steel) and/or the race (if it is steel).  The reel may appear to turn OK, but the shaft may just be spinning on the inside of the inner race if the bearing is rusted.

Frank
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on July 22, 2019, 04:31:34 AM
Quote from: PacRat on July 20, 2019, 05:26:15 AM

Thanks Tommy, you posted while I was typing and your timeline fits. I suspect that the DAs may have had metal at first, then plastic as the parts ran out. Have you fished your JB Weld fix yet?...Maybe not with all those Cardinals you have.

-Mike


Been gone for a couple of days.

No, I haven't fished it but the repair is much stronger than the original plastic portion of the bushing. I stressed it heavily to make sure it was better than original. If I didn't exclusively fish Cardinals I wouldn't hesitate for a second to fish the JB weld repaired 2052. The problem I see with trying to fish one with a crack is you never know when a piece might fall off when changing or removing the spool. Plus, the flat sides in the two metal washers need to be held in place on that portion of the bushing for the drag to work correctly. If a piece of that plastic breaks off those washers won't be able to do their designated job.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: PacRat on July 22, 2019, 05:20:29 PM
Steve,
The following photos will show why the plastic must be repaired (in most cases). The first photo will show the cracks. The worst was circumferential so the tip where the keyed drag washers index was free to spin around the shaft like a bushing. As you can see in the photos there were also longitudinal cracks which could possibly loosen the plastic part enough to let the whole thing spin on the shaft. You probably wouldn't realize it until you had a big fish on it.
I removed less material than Tommy did. I got rid of the tip which was more difficult than expected because it was captive on the groove machined into the shaft. The plastic was actually pretty tough and did not fall to pieces when I removed it.
I then used a dental drill in a dremel to give the shaft and plastic remnant some tooth for the JB Weld to grab on to.
I found a green straw in the wife's car that was a perfect fit. I'll shape and install this in a couple of days and let you guys know the results.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on July 22, 2019, 07:21:31 PM
Looking good, Mike! Mine was crack almost exactly like yours. I cut mine back farther on purpose to give the JB Weld a larger area to bite the shaft. As a result of the pressure of those washers on the flat area on the bushing I wanted as much JB weld in one piece as I could get without affecting the click gear portion. There really isn't any stress on the click gear other than spool spin and the click spring when line is taken out. You should be good with your repair but worst case scenario, if for some strange reason it doesn't hold, you can always take it off & go further down the shaft. Go slow with filing the flats to get a nice clean fit on the washers.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: PacRat on July 23, 2019, 08:18:49 PM
So I had a little set-back. When I filed the flats into the JB Weld I discovered some voids in the epoxy. I half way anticipated this but I was too lazy to set up a vacuum chamber for such a small job. I just filled the voids and re-shaped them. I don't think this little ultralight reel will ever see more than 2lbs drag anyway. You'll notice a green sleeve in the photos. I cut that before I started so I would know how far to file the flats from the end. I just slipped it on after removing the original form. Thank you Tommy for the idea, it saved me a lot of time and trouble. I don't think I would perform this repair on a larger reel but I also wouldn't expect to find a plastic part there in a larger reel. I haven't spooled it up yet but I'm planning on 4 lb mono. So far it feels smooth. I'll come back to report on this post if it ever fails.
-Mike
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: PacRat on July 23, 2019, 11:39:09 PM
Thanks Guys...especially Tommy and Mo
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Ron Jones on July 23, 2019, 11:48:58 PM
That is a lot of work to get a spinner up and running. Very well done.
The Man
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: mo65 on July 24, 2019, 12:12:49 AM
   Great job makin' that ol' girl fishable again Mike. Like you said, the work will hold up just fine to the task. Enjoy that classic! 8)
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on July 24, 2019, 05:59:46 AM
Well done, Mike! I'm glad my experience provided help and insight. With regards to your voids, a clear form, if you can find one, helps eliminate any voids because you can see how well the epoxy is settling into the form. I originally had concerns about that happening when thinking about using the white McD's straw and was really glad when I came across that clear one.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: mark Hill on June 28, 2020, 04:31:54 AM
Great repair job fella's!....My 2052's sleeve is cracked AND half of the teeth are missing on the clicker gear....plastic Grrrrr   >:(    :'(
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: mark Hill on September 12, 2020, 11:45:33 PM
Still looking for the dreaded plastic parts for my 2052... 
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on September 13, 2020, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: mark Hill on September 12, 2020, 11:45:33 PM
Still looking for the dreaded plastic parts for my 2052... 

You won't find those plastic parts as they are not replaceable, they are molded onto the main shaft. You'll have to find a complete main shaft. Those are almost impossible to find. You'll more than likely have get a donor reel to cannibalize. Try to find an earlier "E" version with the metal click gear & bushing area if you can. I've never seen one with the teeth worn off the click gear, even though they're plastic. That would take some serious neglect of the spool click dog/spring.   :o
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: mark Hill on September 15, 2020, 07:33:02 PM
Thanks Tommy. I was hoping not to have to buy a donor reel, as then I would have two reels to search parts for....ya know how that goes! haha.  This little 2052 is otherwise in pretty good shape, considering it was apparently formerly owned by a gorilla.  Thanks again for responding Tommy....and my search continues.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Jenx on May 16, 2021, 07:24:39 PM
I just bought a 2052 today on a whim, and then I found this thread.

Honestly, had I seen this thread first I probably wouldn't have bought it. I guess I will have to wait for it to arrive to see what it looks like inside.
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on May 17, 2021, 02:58:42 AM
Quote from: Jenx on May 16, 2021, 07:24:39 PM
I just bought a 2052 today on a whim, and then I found this thread.

Honestly, had I seen this thread first I probably wouldn't have bought it. I guess I will have to wait for it to arrive to see what it looks like inside.

Think positive!  ;) Give us a look-see once you have it in hand. 
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Jenx on May 21, 2021, 08:31:52 PM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on May 17, 2021, 02:58:42 AM

Think positive!  ;) Give us a look-see once you have it in hand.  


Well it arrived today. It ended being plastic as well... and cracked  :(

Otherwise it's a nice looking reel. About the same size as the Penn 716z. Rotor cup is slightly larger than the 716, but the body is skinnier.


(https://i.imgur.com/6UEqHGB.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: Midway Tommy on May 22, 2021, 02:12:56 AM
At least your click gear looks pretty good and the bushing isn't broken to pieces. Follow my tutorial to a T using JB Weld and and you'll be good to go. The repair should last a long time if done with care.   
Title: Re: Where to find part for 2052dc?
Post by: philaroman on May 22, 2021, 02:46:15 AM
for possible good DIY "blanks", look inside older Okuma drag knobs w/ tall "fin/rib" on top
I have several, where the nut is unnecessarily LONG!!!/massive hunk of brass w/ robust round flange on bottom
(plenty meat to attach SS ratchet)...  top, if long enough, should be easy to reshape
already center-bored & threaded -- better for bonding agent OR easier to ream, if needed
(mine are Okuma 30-size; guessing 40/45 same; around 50/55 size, 1mm bump in shaftOD/nutID & nut bulk)
pretty sure some Chinese Pflueger & Penn use same knob, but don't know nut situation/sizes