Reel Repair by Alan Tani

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Title: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 21, 2018, 11:41:53 AM
this is more to help me keep track than anything else.  i'm going to try to keep a photo record of the reels that i work on.  you might find something here of interest.  you will certainly get an idea of the variety of reels that i work on!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 21, 2018, 11:46:53 AM
a lightly used penn torque 40 narrow.  not in for service, just had to repack the 80 pound braid.  the braid was peeled off, then repacked under 15 pounds of pressure.  it had 500 yards total with a short 80 pound topshot of probably fluoro.  the drag was set to 30 pounds of drag at strike, which gave me 25 pounds a full and 30 pounds at sunset.  beautiful reel!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 21, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
penn fathom 40 narrow, in for rigging only, not service.  held 400 yards of seaguar threadlock 80 pound hollow and a 50 yards topshot of 50 pound big game, 15 pounds of drag at strike 23 at full and 30 at sunset.  it really ramps up fast.  i would have preferred to see 15 at strike, 20 at full and 25 at sunset.  still an awesome reel. 



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: redsetta on May 21, 2018, 12:40:59 PM
I can see already this is going to become a favourite thread!
The line choices and drag numbers are fascinating.
Looking forward to seeing what's next.
Cheers, Justin


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 21, 2018, 01:47:47 PM
andros 5 two speeds this time.  200 yards of 60 pound seaguar threadlock with a 5 yard topshot of 40# berkely big game, drags set to 12 pounds at strike, giving you 25 pounds at full.  that increase is WAY too high.  never knew before that it would jump that much because i never checked.   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on May 21, 2018, 01:57:08 PM
My Andros 5 is set at 10lbs Strike 20lbs Full - loaded with 60lbs Fireline Tracer - Leader variable :-\ Had this reel for a while - I still love it :)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on May 21, 2018, 05:38:54 PM
Good job alan,,,,, I'm going to love this thread,,,keep them coming  ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 21, 2018, 05:52:09 PM
ugghhhh!!!!  this one was miserable.  took 3 hours!  had to replace the breaker and the relay, because both looked bad and i wasn't sure which one it was.  also had to replace some of the metal friction plates.  one of the owners had it apart and really messed it up, then decided to wash it, probably by dunking it into the ocean.  also replaced the short arm with an extendable boom arm.  oh, and did i mention that this downrigger now has greased carbon fiber drag washers?  i had a friend of mine once warn me that i should be careful about what i get good at!   :-\

and here's the rusted relay switch!

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_22_05_18_8_40_01_245191791.jpeg)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 21, 2018, 10:06:51 PM
the graphite shimano reels have always been a favorite of mine.  still, i wish they would make a couple of upgrades.  greased carbon fiber drags would be nice, more stainless steel instead of chromed brass or anodized aluminum, and decent handles. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 21, 2018, 10:16:05 PM
another tld 15.  got a nasty surprise out of this one!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 21, 2018, 10:19:40 PM
and just when i thought it couldn't get any more interesting.  yeah, same reel as above...... 



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on May 22, 2018, 02:47:56 AM
ugghhhh!!!!  this one was miserable.  took 3 hours!  had to replace the breaker and the relay, because both looked bad and i wasn't sure which one it was.  also had to replace some of the metal friction plates.  one of the owners had it apart and really messed it up, then decided to wash it, probably by dunking it into the ocean.  also replaced the short arm with an extendable boom arm.  oh, and did i mention that this downrigger now has greased carbon fiber drag washers?  i had a friend of mine once warn me that i should be careful about what i get good at!   :-\

Are those lubricants in back specific to downrigger repair? :)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on May 22, 2018, 03:38:42 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on May 22, 2018, 04:14:41 AM
and just when i thought it couldn't get any more interesting.  yeah, same reel as above...... 


as advertised on ebay has line on it ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 22, 2018, 07:41:59 AM
ugghhhh!!!!  this one was miserable.  took 3 hours!  had to replace the breaker and the relay, because both looked bad and i wasn't sure which one it was.  also had to replace some of the metal friction plates.  one of the owners had it apart and really messed it up, then decided to wash it, probably by dunking it into the ocean.  also replaced the short arm with an extendable boom arm.  oh, and did i mention that this downrigger now has greased carbon fiber drag washers?  i had a friend of mine once warn me that i should be careful about what i get good at!   :-\

Are those lubricants in back specific to downrigger repair? :)

they're for the tech at the end of the evening!   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 22, 2018, 07:45:08 AM
this is a chinese import.  it's a typical design and it actually works very well.  lots of stainless steel where it counts.  i cleaned out the bearings and replaced the drag washers, then loaded it up with 300 yards of fresh 25 pound mono.  the line underneath looked like it was loaded loose.  it was a mess.  it will be a great salmon reel now!

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_22_05_18_8_39_04_24518123.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_22_05_18_8_38_55_245161262.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_22_05_18_8_39_02_245171442.jpeg)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 22, 2018, 01:22:25 PM
a 114h.  this one was likely submerged.  somehow the click tongue broke.  water got into the drag stack and caused the gear sleeve to seize up.  i got apart, but only after torching it for a very long two minutes.  i find myself torching stuff alot more these days!  total time spend on this one was two hours!

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_22_05_18_2_17_18_245202348.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_22_05_18_2_17_20_24521835.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_22_05_18_2_17_24_245221076.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_22_05_18_2_17_29_245232042.jpeg)



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on May 22, 2018, 01:35:40 PM
Alan, this will be one of the epic threads ever.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: ReelFishingProblems on May 22, 2018, 02:00:20 PM
I agree with John! This is one of my favorite threads!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 23, 2018, 07:56:31 AM
an beautiful avet sx raptor, loaded with 250 yards of 50 pound seagar hollow threadlock and a 25 yard topshot of 30 pound berkley big game, drag set to 9 pounds at strike, 12 pounds at full.  not a big fan of the cast control.  even at the lowest setting, the freespool is very poor.  the magnet is easy to pull if you ever want to disable it.  you literally reach in and pull the magnet out. 



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 23, 2018, 09:15:56 AM
now an avet mx raptor with 250 yards of 60 pound seaguar threadlock and a 25 yard topshot of 40 pound big game, drags set to 12 pounds at strike, 16 pounds at full.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 23, 2018, 10:18:13 AM
ah, remember that i said that this would be a problem?  well, here it is.  one of the new toriums with a bad bearing.  then entire reel has to come apart to replace the bearing. 

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_23_05_18_11_13_44_245272254.jpeg)

yup, the right spool bearing.  surprisingly, it's in incredibly bad shape compared to the rest of the reel. 

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_23_05_18_11_13_42_245272259.jpeg)

and here's the reason.  there is a gasket that holds water in.  never noticed that before.  well, the bearing is being replaced and the gasket is being tossed. 

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_23_05_18_11_13_52_245322041.jpeg)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: handi2 on May 23, 2018, 02:28:40 PM
Alan I have to torch the gear sleeves on the H2 models more than any other.

Today I was repairing a Calcutta 200B. When I removed the pawl cap inside the little hole in the pawl was a click spring and click pin used to put pressure on the pawl ???

Keith


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 23, 2018, 02:30:22 PM
here's a rarity!  a beautiful, clean, perfectly functional 975 ld with no corrosion.  either this guys doesn't fish very much or he takes really good care of his gear!  


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 23, 2018, 02:31:13 PM
Alan I have to torch the gear sleeves on the H2 models more than any other.

Today I was repairing a Calcutta 200B. When I removed the pawl cap inside the little hole in the pawl was a click spring and click pin used to put pressure on the pawl ???

Keith

pretty fancy!  i just use teflon dots to shim the pawl. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 23, 2018, 04:02:23 PM
there were three of these altogether.  they all went without a hitch.  nice for a change.  usually i'm chiseling salt out of these!



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: mikeysm on May 23, 2018, 06:00:35 PM
Alan is that your cleaning fluid in the background of one of your pictures.

Mike


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 23, 2018, 06:51:15 PM
i'm partial to the laphroig!!!!!  ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 23, 2018, 07:00:13 PM
the calcutta 700 B was a redesign and a big improvement over the old 700.  very straight forward reels to service. 



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 23, 2018, 08:47:25 PM
check out this shimano torium.  it shows clearly why the dog and spring upgrade is so important!

https://youtu.be/jyyL3eMfo6s


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 23, 2018, 08:55:31 PM
i started out here in the garage at 7am and it's now 10pm.  time really flies when you are doing something that you enjoy!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: MarkT on May 23, 2018, 08:57:22 PM
Doesnít the DC spring loaded dog sit on that same post where it could also get stuck to it? You figure with the spring, itíll stay in motion and wonít stick to the post? At least you can hear that click and know itís engaging! I can hear it in both my Toriums.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 23, 2018, 09:04:45 PM
yeah, it certainly can get stuck!  at least this way you know when it is.   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 23, 2018, 09:57:51 PM
I hope you are making enough to support your Scotch. ;)
Glad to see you in action Boss. ;)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 24, 2018, 09:30:15 AM
this thing was a mess on the outside.  spent 15 minutes just scrubbing the slime off with an old toothbrush.  has anyone used an electric toothbrush to clean up reels?  i'm going to order one and see how it works out.

found this one for $10.99!  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BT5PBWG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: oc1 on May 24, 2018, 10:10:04 AM
I have nothing to say but wanted to reply to this thread just so it will show up in the short list of "Show new replies to your post".  Sometimes that list is all there is time for.  Thank you Alan.
-steve


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: festus on May 24, 2018, 10:19:01 AM
Keep 'em coming, Alan.  I'm learning something everyday but still have to settle for the ole rotgut liquor.  ;D 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: steelfish on May 24, 2018, 11:27:14 AM
this thing was a mess on the outside.  spent 15 minutes just scrubbing the slime off with an old toothbrush.  has anyone used an electric toothbrush to clean up reels?  i'm going to order one and see how it works out.

by chance do you have a pic of how it looked thar reel before you clean it up?

I used to use toothbrush too until finding sometimes the bristles where too small or short to reach certain areas, so I switched to a 1" paintbrush, I cut the bristles 1/2" (depending) from the tip to make them firmer and brush the reel parts much better, this way I cover more are of the reel faster and easier than using a toothbrush.



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 24, 2018, 11:34:22 AM
here's it's twin!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 24, 2018, 12:56:29 PM
ok, so you wanted to use a lexa 400 for salt water, huh?  maybe not.......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: handi2 on May 24, 2018, 02:26:56 PM
Wow....



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: swill88 on May 24, 2018, 02:27:12 PM
What is that?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 24, 2018, 03:20:24 PM
it's the cast control magnet after exposure to saltwater. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: theswimmer on May 24, 2018, 06:08:35 PM
That's disgusting.
Imagine what it would look like in another month.......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: MarkT on May 24, 2018, 06:15:05 PM
Are they swimming with them? I caught a tonnage on my Lexa 400hs-p and it was pristine. As is my newer Lexa 400hd.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on May 24, 2018, 06:23:23 PM
Alan tani is updating,,,,, lots of reels,,,,great job my friend  ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 24, 2018, 07:04:51 PM
I think there is a bad batch of magnets.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 25, 2018, 05:31:10 AM
Mental health day!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: swill88 on May 25, 2018, 05:42:02 AM
The Sea Wolf?

Live bait buckets?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 25, 2018, 09:37:24 AM
New huck fin in the bay. Southside Anglers charter!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 26, 2018, 10:02:47 AM
This is why it needs to be properly packed. The braid is dug in and locked.  You would have broken this fish off in a micro second. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Lunker Larry on May 26, 2018, 10:12:50 AM
He said he had issues casting. Here's what I found when I peeled off a bunch of line.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 26, 2018, 11:17:54 AM
looks like the line was loaded by a five year old.  sorry to be so harsh, but this stuff is basic.   >:(


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: mo65 on May 26, 2018, 12:09:23 PM
looks like the line was loaded by a five year old.  sorry to be so harsh, but this stuff is basic.   >:(

   I think this loose, sloppy loading of braid is what turns so many against it. I have even been repacking it after fishing trips. When properly loaded and maintained it will last years...at least for my type fishing. 8)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 26, 2018, 08:01:52 PM
this guy leaves in a week.   they were serviced last year and still spin fine.  gotta repack the braid and add topshots. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on May 26, 2018, 08:19:05 PM
Alan, is the spool rubbing on the Penn Torque in the center of the pic ?  ... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 26, 2018, 09:32:11 PM
JEEZZZZZ!!!!!!!!  how in the world did you see that???????  

yeah, it's rubbing.  i actually have the same problem in some of my reels.  i think what's involved is that the spool shaft is too flexible.  mind you, it's after 10pm here on the west coast.  yes, that means is scotch time!!!!  if i was going to stuck on a desert island and could have only one scotch, this would be it!  an 18 year old laphroig will always be my favorite, but it's one glass and done.  the lagavulin i could drink all night!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: oc1 on May 26, 2018, 09:39:48 PM
When braid looks like that does it mean it slipped?
-steve


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 26, 2018, 09:41:12 PM
nah, it was just packed loosely by a 5 year old!   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on May 26, 2018, 10:00:26 PM
JEEZZZZZ!!!!!!!!  how in the world did you see that???????  

yeah, it's rubbing.  i actually have the same problem in some of my reels.  


Personally I would have a hard time accepting that on any of my reels. But this is another big reason why a smaller narrower reel is best if it will be pushed or leaned on hard when it will work for the task at hand... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 27, 2018, 10:04:51 AM
Alan, is the spool rubbing on the Penn Torque in the center of the pic ?  ... Jeff

ah, i think it's because he's been putting his thumb on that spot!!!!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on May 27, 2018, 12:01:47 PM
Alan, from the looks of it in this close up I think your right.
 
Some of the wear of the anodized is on the line side of the spool. This would be the only exposed part of the spool edge when the spool shifts to the right after being egaged.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 27, 2018, 03:44:20 PM
omg, he sent mostly spinning reels and i don't normally work on spinners!!!!!!  if they basically work but just need bearings or something standard, then i can take a look, but honestly he can likely replace them for less than what i would charge to fix then.  i will start with the few conventional reels in the box.  i want to see if he wants the unfixable reels back, or if i should just toss them.  what a mess!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 27, 2018, 05:04:58 PM
here's a charter special from the box.  every bearing is bad.  i think i'm going to have to pack all of them with grease.   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 27, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
Those look like some cheap spinners.
I had a similar experience today.
Doing a brake job on my truck.
One of the caliper bolts was gone!
This blows me away.
I tightened these bolts myself replacing the calipers a few months ago.
What the Hell!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on May 27, 2018, 07:41:58 PM
I like that Shimano 6000.
Ron


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 27, 2018, 07:54:10 PM
another braid repack job on an old okuma.  the reel itself is fine.  replaced the drags and repacked the braid.  bet you're starting to see a pattern here......   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on May 27, 2018, 09:41:45 PM
Toss all those Shimano spinners & keep the box.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Lunker Larry on May 28, 2018, 05:43:06 AM
looks like the line was loaded by a five year old.  sorry to be so harsh, but this stuff is basic.   >:(

I think when they spool up it appears tight but when under pressure it begins to distort due to being too soft and, as we know, cuts into itself. The spool looked relatively OK but this was hidden underneath when I removed the line. Never had one this bad before. Definitely a good example if you have to show anyone why you have to take care and properly spool your reel.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 28, 2018, 08:45:19 AM
better than new!!!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 28, 2018, 09:40:02 AM
All done!!!!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 28, 2018, 10:10:39 AM
next batch!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on May 28, 2018, 10:12:44 AM
Those look like some cheap spinners.
 

I've bought Shimano Senoras for my son Luke in the past. Get about a season - season & half out of them. When working they are glass smooth in operation. Cranking & drag both. With Alan not being fond of spinners but happy with results of his rebuild I'm going to see if I can revive the several I have. I HATE THIS USE IT & TOSS IT AWAY THING !!

However these reels were cheap to buy & worked great for a short time... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on May 28, 2018, 12:45:19 PM
It blows me away that people will pay to have a Senator serviced. Its just not that hard people!
Ron


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 28, 2018, 02:49:31 PM
and again!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Swami805 on May 28, 2018, 04:03:40 PM
Must be nice to get a senator after all those spinners.
So what's your theory on all the loose braid, lazy people at sporting good stores with line winders or just poor DIY jobs?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on May 28, 2018, 04:09:58 PM
I think it is ignorant people at Sporting Goods stores. Ask 12 of them how braid should be installed and you will get 12 answers and most all of them will end up with a reel looking like this. They'll never know the difference, most of the reels will never get that deep into the line the one day dad takes Timmy fishing.
Ron


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on May 28, 2018, 04:12:59 PM

So what's your theory on all the loose braid, lazy people at sporting good stores with line winders or just poor DIY jobs?



For what its worth I think this is something that has to happen after some use. Based on the fact that few fisher dudes have the skill required to place line on a spool in such a repeatable, miserable fashion shown in Alan's pics... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 28, 2018, 04:22:32 PM
no one understands how important this is!   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: CapeFish on May 29, 2018, 12:05:28 AM
you will have problems even if you wind mono on like that!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on May 29, 2018, 06:19:13 AM
I now use hollow core braid for backing on a fly reel (much better with a spliced join rather than loop to loop) - but it still gets wound on properly under drag!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 31, 2018, 06:24:22 AM
good morning, all!  it's nice to be working on a normal set of reels for a change!!!!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: festus on May 31, 2018, 06:55:20 AM
Good ole Swedish Abus, one of my favorites.  Those on an Ugly Stik are probably the most popular reel 'round these parts for stripers and cats.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 31, 2018, 07:28:46 AM
spoke too soon.  had to torch and pound out both bearings.   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: handi2 on May 31, 2018, 08:42:29 AM
I was doing the same thing yesterday.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Gfish on May 31, 2018, 11:00:29 AM
What's a most common worst aspect of servicing/repairing Abu products?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 31, 2018, 12:59:27 PM
this.......  :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on June 01, 2018, 03:01:47 PM
Is it really worth it? Abu parts have never been spendy or hard to get, at least the few I have needed weren't. I applaud your determination but sometimes it seems like it's time to buy a part.
Ron


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 01, 2018, 04:25:47 PM
it starts out being a matter of principle.  whether it stays that way is another issue.  :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 02, 2018, 07:47:11 AM
starting the morning out right.  another abu garcia going back into a body bag.  i have a pinion gear, but no main gear.  does anyone have a main gear for 6500 c4?  this has a 6.3 to 1 gear ratio.  the reel foot number is 070109-35.  the pinion gear i have should be correct but was unlabeled and visually matched up.  just to be safe, maybe a main and pinion gear set would be safest.  let me know if anyone has a set, or even a main gear.  the main gear appears to be 23955 and the pinion is 23954. 

it looks like this is the schematic.  https://www.mikesreelrepair.com/content/schematics/Ambassadeur_6500C4_07_01.pdf


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 03, 2018, 03:06:25 PM
left handed reels have been coming out of the woodwork!  here's a citica that is getting a drag upgrade.  a penn ht-100 #6-116 fits perfectly inside the main gear and a #6-965 goes under!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 03, 2018, 04:56:48 PM
the curados are great reels.  the comment here was that the drag seemed weak.  it already had carbon fiber drags.  they looked dry so i greased them.  not sure how the drag could get much better. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 03, 2018, 09:53:30 PM
this is the socal frame kit for the daiwa x-20sha.  great reel, but there was a concern because the drag was "pulsing," and indeed it was! i stripped it all down, cleaned up everything, and put it all back together.  not sure what the problem is, but the gears do feel a little rough.  i'm wondering if it's a drag washer or two that could be uneven.  they appear to be carbontex and they look fine.  i'll talk to the owner tomorrow and keep you posted.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_03_06_18_10_42_06_246161500.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_03_06_18_10_41_41_246152053.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_03_06_18_10_41_18_24615628.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_03_06_18_10_40_45_246141729.jpeg)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 04, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
https://youtu.be/fdRMkMYsr2s


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 04, 2018, 05:54:50 PM
HA HA! ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 05, 2018, 09:36:42 AM
these are the "screws from hell" in the daiwa coastal that were stripped.  it took 60 seconds.  the trick was a small worn down cutting wheel. 

https://youtu.be/UFUXza5qVQ0


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: mikeysm on June 05, 2018, 01:13:46 PM
Alan I have a set of custom gears from the UK. They are higher gear ratio. If some one wants a set. I can part with them cheap. They didn't work for my Abu beast round. I have other trick parts also. They are just collecting dust.

Mike


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: bpm2000 on June 05, 2018, 01:25:31 PM
these are the "screws from hell" in the daiwa coastal that were stripped.  it took 60 seconds.  the trick was a small worn down cutting wheel. 

I had searched for a long time to see if there was a cutting wheel that small I could get - sometimes it pays to just send it to the people with the know-how and the tools!

Glad to see you make short work of it.  Any chance you know what size those screws are?  Daiwa was kind enough to say they would send me some... as soon as they aren't on backorder  :D.



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 05, 2018, 01:29:09 PM
nah, just reuse the ones you have.  they'll be fine!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 06, 2018, 12:22:01 PM
working on a "normal" reel for a change!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 06, 2018, 01:13:11 PM
not that it matters, but the last guy to work on these put one of the frames on backwards.  judging by the amount of corrosion, these are going to take a while.  too bad the last guy didn't add a little more grease.  beautiful reels.  just alot of corrosion.  sad, really.   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 06, 2018, 01:21:48 PM
first reel. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 06, 2018, 02:12:14 PM
more......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: theswimmer on June 06, 2018, 02:32:27 PM
'Skusting!'


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: handi2 on June 06, 2018, 03:21:30 PM
Some people just dont care...

Alan at least you werenít working on a bag full of Charter spinning reels that all looked like this.



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Dominick on June 06, 2018, 04:29:28 PM
Guys, please warn us by announcing the graphic nature of photographs like that.  Unfortunately I viewed them just after eating and now I have an empty stomach.   :'( :'( Dominick


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on June 06, 2018, 06:32:37 PM
i started out here in the garage at 7am and it's now 10pm.  time really flies when you are doing something that you enjoy!

I have the same brand in 20year old smooooooth as heck!!

Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 07, 2018, 08:41:52 AM
had to redo this but it came out nice!  it took a long time to scrub out the surface corrosion.  i need a buffer!  everything was lightly greased.  it has greased carbon fiber drag washers, a stainless steel gear sleeve, a 24-56 jigmaster power handle and it took 500 yards of 80 pound braid.  on that last part, i was shocked!  that hotrodded senator that you guys made for me only took 300 yards and a narrow avet hxj also only takes 300 yards.  fortunately, i made a special purchase of seaguar threadlock hollow 80 in green and i only charge 12 cents per yard.  i think most shops charge between 20 and 30 cents. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 07, 2018, 09:52:52 AM
this is the charter boat squidder from earlier.  it's the reel with the blown spool.  randy pauly was nice enough to send a new aluminum spool (thanks, randy!) and that is what will be going into the reel when i ship it back.  however, i decided to try to press the spool back into shape, and it kinda worked.  looks like hell because i lined it up crooked, but it would actually work.  it would also probably just blow out again later, but maybe we don't have to automatically throw these away anymore! 

https://youtu.be/Hisp_uq7RKs


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on June 07, 2018, 11:09:44 AM
Alan; that spool looks like it was separated at the none handle side at the base were the small cup meets the bell flare. Is there a space between that and the spool side?

Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 07, 2018, 11:16:24 AM
nope, it's actually solid!  i was looking for gaps and there were none!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: sabaman1 on June 07, 2018, 08:01:59 PM
Awesome job on the Penn 49, looks like a new reel!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 08, 2018, 07:17:55 AM
next up.  these poor guys have been sitting since the beginning of april. they're going to take some time.  i see a fair amount of corrosion. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 08, 2018, 02:29:39 PM
when selecting a reel, it would be good to know the purchase price, the warranty time, and the maintenance costs to get a better idea of the true cost of ownership.  let's say you own a trinidad 20A and you need to replace the spool bearing on the left side. 

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_08_06_18_2_57_36_24651449.jpeg)

yeah, the one all the way down here. 

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_08_06_18_2_57_39_24647659.jpeg)

in order to get to this one bearing, you have to do this........

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_08_06_18_2_57_42_2465359.jpeg)

so you open up the reel and you see this!  there was a reason that the left spool bearing failed.  there was fairly extensive water intrusion into the reel.  in all fairness, this happens alot. 

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_08_06_18_2_57_26_246471938.jpeg)

as you go through the reel, you find that EVERY bearing has failed!

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_08_06_18_2_57_45_24654277.jpeg)

so let's go through the list.

outer handle grip bearing 4x9x4 - $11
inner handle grip bearing 5x9x3 - $9
drive shaft bearing 8x12x3.5 - $12
right side plate pinion support bearing 7x13x4 - $9
base plate pinion support bearing 10x15x4 - $14
right spool bearing 6x12x4 - $9
left spool bearing 4x11x4 - $12

total bearing cost $76, and that's just the cost of bearings.  oh, and did i mention that the reel was out of warranty.   :-\




Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on June 08, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
Keep them doggies movin',,,,,just rope'em,throw,and braid'em,,,,,great job alan I love this tread ;D keep'em movin'


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on June 08, 2018, 02:37:23 PM
Heís just showing off how many you could get off the bench😁

Good job Boss!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Marcq on June 08, 2018, 04:31:59 PM
I don't like reel with lots of bearing, not sure I ever own a reel with more then two bearings , hmmm!

Marc..


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on June 08, 2018, 04:54:30 PM
Um,
Surfmaster...
Zero bearings!
Ron


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Gfish on June 09, 2018, 06:47:08 AM
Makes me wanna dig into some a my more complicated/modern/expensive reels more often and make sure the ball bearings are OK. Thankfully we've learned the cost of pre-fishing service and "Tani-izing" reels during ANY service.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 09, 2018, 07:24:52 AM
the accurate valiant took on an open drag design, similar to the avet.



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Swami805 on June 09, 2018, 08:40:33 AM
So what's the verdict on those Valiants Alan? I was thinking of getting a 300 when they 1st came out then thought better of it and figured to wait until they'd been around awhile. I love my gold trini 12 but I know it won't last forever and was considering a 300 Valiant to replace it. A little apple to oranges with the lever drag I know. Would you buy one? Thanks Sheridan


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 09, 2018, 02:06:05 PM
it's a nice design, but the high speed gear teeth are awfully tiny.  i'll try to get a picture next time, but they make me nervous.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on June 09, 2018, 02:38:34 PM
Accurate vs jigging master,,,,what do you think  ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 09, 2018, 02:52:53 PM
Accurate vs jigging master,,,,what do you think  ;D

it's actually kind of funny.  jigging master has all the best features of avet and accurate.  it's almost like someone went in and copied their best ideas........ 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on June 09, 2018, 03:09:01 PM
Thanks alan,,,,can't wait to see you open one up ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on June 09, 2018, 05:30:31 PM
So what's the verdict on those Valiants Alan? I was thinking of getting a 300 when they 1st came out then thought better of it and figured to wait until they'd been around awhile. I love my gold trini 12 but I know it won't last forever and was considering a 300 Valiant to replace it. A little apple to oranges with the lever drag I know. Would you buy one? Thanks Sheridan

I'm of the same mind. I keep hoping against all odds this will be a fantastic, durable reel & it might turn out to be so. But I would want to fish it with heavier than 30 lb. line & thats where my doubt start. Parts arent the cheapest for this one... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Swami805 on June 09, 2018, 07:07:25 PM
I bought that trini 12 new a long time ago and it's served me well. Nothing lasts forever though and parts for it aren't going to get easier to find. Love my 220 newells but smoked a few fishing light line for bigger fish. The 300 Valiant looks good on paper, maybe a new trinidad 12 is a better bet. A fair chuck of cabbage either way.
Thanks Alan


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 10, 2018, 08:56:43 PM
old school.....


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 11, 2018, 05:24:05 PM
haven't seen one of these in a while.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: MarkT on June 11, 2018, 05:48:50 PM
I have a BV-300 and I really like it. I have 300 yds of 50# Maxcuatro with a 40# leader. I use it for jigging mostly but Iíve used it for bait too. You can now get it with a clicker.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on June 12, 2018, 05:18:26 AM
I have a BV-300 and I really like it. I have 300 yds of 50# Maxcuatro with a 40# leader. I use it for jigging mostly but Iíve used it for bait too. You can now get it with a clicker.

    Hmmm.... It's tempting. I'm going to give it the rest of this year then check into it some more... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Long Enuff on June 12, 2018, 05:36:04 AM
One of the things I have learned from this site is to keep your reels out of the salt spray as much as possible. Being a small boat fisherman, and often traveling 60 plus miles out into the ocean, that can be a challenge. I try to keep all rigs out of the gunnel rod holders if possible and store them behind the leaning post and on the aft end of the T-top when running. In the slop, the gunnel holders can take a deluge and it will find its way inside almost any reel.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 23, 2018, 07:23:53 AM
finally caught up with emails, pm's and websites.  still haven't finished my alaska post yet, but there are reels that have to be fixed first.  this was from a friend that lives locally.  for some reason, it's binding slightly when in gear.  i changed out the pinion bearing twice.  it's not bad, but it is noticeable.  i'll let him fish with it for a while.  he knows to get back to me if it gets worse. 





Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 23, 2018, 07:39:46 AM
more about daiwa!  this one cleaned up nicely!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 23, 2018, 09:53:15 AM
the rival of the daiwa saltiga was the old shimano torium.  i prefer the torium hands down.  the important feature is the option of a spring loaded dog.  even compared to the old gold trinidad, the torium is every bit the equal.  funny thing, once i finish with all the modifications on an old gold trinidad, it is basically turned into a torium!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 23, 2018, 11:03:41 AM
i have three different sizes of talicas to service.  this is number two.  this one and the first had been fished and the side plate screws were seriously stuck.  i thought for sure the heads would shear off.  if you have one of these reels, grab a screwdriver and some grease.  carefully back out only one screw, grease it, put it back and them move on to the next until all the externally visible screws have been greased and then properly torqued down.  do this before they all seize. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 24, 2018, 10:04:42 AM
ugghhhhh!!!!!  finally finished the entire order.  the customer leaves tomorrow.   hope we don't find any problems on pick up.  i've just started on that set of 20 solterras from the charter boats and the first on took an hour!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Lunker Larry on June 25, 2018, 08:29:30 AM
my back is hurting just thinking about doing that many reels. I'm good for about 6 and I'm toast.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 25, 2018, 07:47:08 PM
work related hazards and fishing reel repair are not normally found in the same sentence, but i found a sharp edge on the aluminum side plate ring of one of the solterras (yeah, those again).  sliced deep into my right thumb, bled like crazy.  had to put about a half hour's worth of pressure on it to stop the bleeding, then found some old steri-strips, wrapped it up with a couple of bandaids and then flex wrap.  had alot of pressure on it at first.  didn't hurt at first and it's just throbbing now.  i'll check it tomorrow to see how the edges line up and decide if i need stitches or not.  gotta be more careful......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Marcq on June 25, 2018, 07:59:45 PM
Damn!! Just from the pic you can tell it's sharp

Marc..


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 25, 2018, 08:12:31 PM
I don't know how you do it Alan.
I've spilled some blood on my own reels, but never on a Solterra.
Hopefully your Thumb will be OK, But I would have to take a break after that.
I have some gloves that I use for work, that are tough, but I can still type with them on.
I'm going to send you some.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 25, 2018, 09:35:46 PM
i took a break, then went back to work.  hopefully i didn't tear it back open.  i'm going to change the dressings and see.  10 more to go.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: oc1 on June 26, 2018, 04:14:18 AM
Ouch!  Super glue it back together.
-steve


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on June 26, 2018, 04:53:46 AM
That's a bad one! Blood and reel grease do not mix. I know in you carrier you would know to make sure to keep that wound clean. That looks like a bad one.

never drew blood like that doing reel repair, but I have had some dosses with a grinder.

Joe 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: swill88 on June 26, 2018, 06:53:01 AM
How well does blood mix with blue grease?  Cal's?  What's your recommendation?
Thanks Alan.  :D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on June 26, 2018, 07:04:32 AM
Alan I'm with Steve on this one - super glue it. If I have a deep cut ca is my first choice - the faster it sets up the better. Also cut paws on a dog would be much harder to treat if it weren't for ca. The one I'm currently using is Instaflex - same as I use on a splice for braid - apply the ca then wrap tightly with plumbers tape (PTFE tape it doesn't stick) after a few minutes it can be removed and the wound inspected.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: joel8080 on June 26, 2018, 07:38:34 AM
Get New Skin it's what there useing in Surgery it's a Antiseptic and liquid bandage in one.

joel8080


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Swami805 on June 26, 2018, 08:22:31 AM
Ouch!!  Iím a big fan of hydrogen peroxide. Poor it on and let it bubble for awhile. I bet itís stiffened up a bit overnight. Might want to lay off the reels for a few days and let it heal up a bit.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: foakes on June 26, 2018, 08:27:51 AM
If I were you, Alan ó

You know plenty of good Docs from your career.

Go see one today, get them to check it out, stabilize and redress the cut ó do whatever is necessary for a best and complete healing.  

You need mobility, dexterity, no major scars, and no infection.

Some of the surgical products today are ďcutting edgeĒ (no pun intended) ó and are light years ahead of traditional methods of the last 50 years.  Even some of the products we use on the EMT/PM rigs are as good or better than you will find in a walk-in clinic.

Just lay off the reels for a few days ó you completed plenty.  Many of the reels you work on have plenty of salt residue, greases, crud, and your cleaners and solvents ó all not helpful for a good, quick healing.

Go see a movie or two with the wife.  Hit it again first of the week.

Just my thoughts...

Best Always,

Fred



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Gfish on June 26, 2018, 08:30:12 AM
Superglue gettin into your bloodstream? I glue doll eyes onto flies alla time and that stuff smokes(probably just vapor) when it touches some materials. Mean somethin dangerous? Iown't know...


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 26, 2018, 08:30:37 AM
the steri strip held firm last night, so i cleaned around it, slathered on some neosporin, redressed it and it's pretty good this morning.  i'll give it two days before i change the dressing again.  yeah, i think this one went nearly down to the bone.   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Marcq on June 26, 2018, 08:43:06 AM
Superglue gettin into your bloodstream? I glue doll eyes onto flies alla time and that stuff smokes(probably just vapor) when it touches some materials. Mean somethin dangerous? Iown't know...

Heck, baseball pitchers do it all the time when they have blisters

Marc..


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Gobi King on June 26, 2018, 09:12:37 AM
the steri strip held firm last night, so i cleaned around it, slathered on some neosporin, redressed it and it's pretty good this morning.  i'll give it two days before i change the dressing again.  yeah, i think this one went nearly down to the bone.   :-\

Ouch, definitely have to watch those edges, I got a similar cut from a tennis ball can that slipped while I was opening it.

Do you think it was sharp from corrosion?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on June 26, 2018, 09:37:10 AM
Superglue gettin into your bloodstream? I glue doll eyes onto flies alla time and that stuff smokes(probably just vapor) when it touches some materials. Mean somethin dangerous? Iown't know...

Ca has been used in the medical profession for decades (iirc it may have started in Vietnam as an aid in field dressings) Whilst products like Dermabond, Flexiseal etc. would be the preferred ca glues for a simple flesh wound I would still use ordinary ca for me and my pets. It can 'tingle' a bit ;) My wife has also used it for repairing split nails.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on June 26, 2018, 10:12:13 AM
Superglue gettin into your bloodstream? I glue doll eyes onto flies alla time and that stuff smokes(probably just vapor) when it touches some materials. Mean somethin dangerous? Iown't know...

The medics i was around made use of super glue or something close to it... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 26, 2018, 11:35:45 AM
yeah, i was thinking of superglue but i didn't have any!   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on June 26, 2018, 03:33:34 PM
Skin Shield liquid bandage is a product the company I used to work for made (since sold). It was basically a CA with nitrocellulose and some benzethonium chloride as an antiseptic. Crazy glue or generic works the same, is much cheaper, and you can toss it when it hardens as it inevitably does. Don't be afraid of generics like Equate...it filled literally out of same drum of bulk as the premium brand. You are paying double for a marketing label. Just my 0.02. But it's fact, not opinion. :)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: David Hall on June 26, 2018, 03:49:03 PM
If it festers up and you need to have it amputated, let me know. Iím offering a discount for digit amputation this week only.  I call it ďfour finger discountĒ.  Just holler, have cleaver will travel.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: bluefish69 on June 26, 2018, 04:00:17 PM
Alan

You still have another Thumb. You could have put it in a Sling.

I hit a Wire Wheel with my Finger - That hurts

Mike


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 26, 2018, 05:01:10 PM
i know i can always depend on you guys......   ::)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 26, 2018, 05:07:31 PM
still one of the best values around.  the only thing better would be the tld star 15/30 or 20/40.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 26, 2018, 05:22:51 PM
avets!  piece of cake!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 26, 2018, 05:25:32 PM
and the dreaded saltist lever drag!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 26, 2018, 06:08:50 PM
how to remove a seriously stuck screw!  everything around it get's hot, so make sure that nothing is close enough to melt!

https://youtu.be/i_6LWPc5sdw


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: sabaman1 on June 26, 2018, 07:07:57 PM
still one of the best values around.  the only thing better would be the tld star 15/30 or 20/40.
Alan are the Toriums double dogged, also do they have a bearing supporting the pinion?


       Jim


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on June 26, 2018, 08:43:13 PM
work related hazards and fishing reel repair are not normally found in the same sentence, but i found a sharp edge on the aluminum side plate ring of one of the solterras (yeah, those again).  sliced deep into my right thumb, bled like crazy.  had to put about a half hour's worth of pressure on it to stop the bleeding, then found some old steri-strips, wrapped it up with a couple of bandaids and then flex wrap.  had alot of pressure on it at first.  didn't hurt at first and it's just throbbing now.  i'll check it tomorrow to see how the edges line up and decide if i need stitches or not.  gotta be more careful......
Yes boss you got to be more careful, but most times we can't help it.
 Okuma should spend a little more time cleaning the sharp edges, this could have happened to anyone :-\.

Sal


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 27, 2018, 09:24:06 AM
the torium 16/20/30's have single dogs.  the pinion gear is not supported by a bearing.  the bearing on the right side supports the right side of the spool, which i think is a better place for it. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 27, 2018, 09:25:22 AM

Yes boss you got to be more careful, but most times we can't help it.
 Okuma should spend a little more time cleaning the sharp edges, this could have happened to anyone :-\.

Sal

it's healing up pretty good!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on June 27, 2018, 09:33:23 AM
Good, I'm glad.
No offense, but if you had my stonemason hands, you probably would have made that sharp edge smooth ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 27, 2018, 09:39:54 AM
yeah, no argument there.....   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: sabaman1 on June 27, 2018, 10:21:19 AM
the torium 16/20/30's have single dogs.  the pinion gear is not supported by a bearing.  the bearing on the right side supports the right side of the spool, which i think is a better place for it. 
Thanks Alan! Hope your hand heals quickly.

     Jim


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: theswimmer on June 27, 2018, 05:42:01 PM
I do my own stitches if it's not to deep.
I know you have good insurance brudda , go to the doc.
Please ?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on June 27, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
just checked it and it's healing up fine!   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: David Hall on June 27, 2018, 07:13:52 PM
So you wonít be making an appointment for an amputation any time soon?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: day0ne on June 27, 2018, 09:56:46 PM
I leave blood all over the place when I work on stuff. When working on cars, I got to the point that I felt it would be easier to just make a fist and hit the engine to get the bleeding out of the way.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Brewcrafter on June 29, 2018, 12:40:45 PM
Awesome video tutorial on the "stuck screw". 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 02, 2018, 07:33:11 AM
back to basics.  if you were going to own one saltwater fishing reel, this would have to be it.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: foakes on July 02, 2018, 07:42:47 AM
back to basics.  if you were going to own one saltwater fishing reel, this would have to be it.

Yep, Alan ó

We call that one ďOle Meat in the PotĒ.

Great work on all of those varied reels!

A Pro in action...

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Gobi King on July 02, 2018, 08:54:21 AM
  if you were going to own one saltwater fishing reel, this would have to be it.

Alan/Fred,
Pardon the newbie question, but which Penn reel is this?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: MarkT on July 02, 2018, 08:57:57 AM
Looks like a 113h.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 02, 2018, 09:18:55 AM
the bearing failed on the right side.  two balls got into the gears and the reel was locked up.  so it's a new gear set, a new bearing, a new clamp and 400 yards 40 pound mono and we're done. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: foakes on July 02, 2018, 10:32:29 AM
I think it might be a high speed Senator 112H ó which is a 3/0 size.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: scrinch on July 02, 2018, 10:33:39 AM
the bearing failed on the right side.  two balls got into the gears and the reel was locked up.  so it's a new gear set, a new bearing, a new clamp and 400 yards 40 pound mono and we're done.  
What do the gears look like after that happens? Little burrs, or big chunks taken out?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: RowdyW on July 02, 2018, 10:58:58 AM
112h= 300 yds of 30# mono  113h = 370 yds of 40# mono ;D ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 02, 2018, 02:29:04 PM
trinidad 12.  found the problem!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: wfjord on July 02, 2018, 03:34:37 PM
back to basics.  if you were going to own one saltwater fishing reel, this would have to be it.
112h= 300 yds of 30# mono  113h = 370 yds of 40# mono ;D ;D

I bought two new Senators in 1982 --a 113H and a black 114.  So far the black one is the only reel I've ever sold.  The red one stays.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 02, 2018, 09:48:40 PM
another reel ahead of its time, the penn 25 gls.  don't forget, it you overtighten the side plate screws, you will lose freespool!



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: theswimmer on July 02, 2018, 11:43:11 PM
trinidad 12.  found the problem!

I'm kinda thick Alan . Could you explain pls?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on July 03, 2018, 01:25:28 AM
It looks like the spool bearing is toast ;)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 03, 2018, 06:12:53 AM
yup, really bad bearing!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 05, 2018, 05:21:38 PM
houston, we've got a problem.  the side plate was over-tightened and everything was cracked.  chances are that the side plate screws were used to seat the side plate.  anyone got an extra 980 left side plate?  i could trade for a 990 left side plate!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 05, 2018, 05:59:46 PM
yeah, you can see the old glue.  there was a previous attempt to glue this together.  


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 05, 2018, 07:46:27 PM
ok, 3mm stainless steel washers and longer screws and it's done.  i hope the owner doesn't mind the look. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on July 06, 2018, 02:43:08 AM
He should be grateful Alan - he now has a repaired reel at a lower cost than could have been.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 06, 2018, 06:26:58 AM
i think what happened was that someone tried to seat the let side plate using the side plate screws.  the plastic is not reinforced in any way and it likely just cracked under the pressure.  there was a clear attempt to glue it back together.  i have serviced reels for this gentleman before and was concerned that it was something that i might have done long ago, but the reel had no trademarks of my work.  it even had the old green smoothie drags. 

if anyone has a side plate that they would like to sell, i imagine that the customer would consider it!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 06, 2018, 08:05:41 AM
never seen a shattered belleville before.  at least not like this!  good thing it didn't damage the gears!!!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: swill88 on July 06, 2018, 08:33:24 AM
i think what happened was that someone tried to seat the let side plate using the side plate screws.  the plastic is not reinforced in any way and it likely just cracked under the pressure.  there was a clear attempt to glue it back together.  i have serviced reels for this gentleman before and was concerned that it was something that i might have done long ago, but the reel had no trademarks of my work.  it even had the old green smoothie drags. 

if anyone has a side plate that they would like to sell, i imagine that the customer would consider it!

Alan, I have an extra 970.  Not sure what it's worth. Any idea?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 06, 2018, 09:46:49 AM
i will forward your contact info to him.  it's an easy fix, so i'm sure he would be able to take care of it.  thanks!!!!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on July 06, 2018, 11:47:30 AM
Alan: I think that belleville Washer was work hardened and that is why it shattered.

Joe 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 06, 2018, 12:21:27 PM
my afternoon....... 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: MarkT on July 06, 2018, 12:23:06 PM
You should start up a new one of these threads each month.  What's coming off the bench for July.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: CooldadE on July 06, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
Someone likes those Squidders .That looks like Squidder Heaven...
Iíve got a few, never use them... what do you guys use yours for ???

Cool


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: handi2 on July 06, 2018, 01:29:30 PM
Iím just glad to see you hard at it. My shop stays full every month and I sure need a break.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 07, 2018, 07:13:19 AM
That looks like Squidder Heaven...

or squidder hell...... 

yeah, finished seven reels, still had two that went into body bags, need two 146 spools and a 140 or 146 right side plate.  if anyone has spares, please let me know.  i know this is nearing blasphemy, but for me some of the hardest reels to get right have been the old penns.  maybe i'm too picky.  you know how having 4 wheel drive just means you get farther out before you get stuck.  between the expanding or brittle bakelite, the corroded chrome and the aftermarket parts, these old reels can be an absolute nightmare.  every reel had a different problem (or three), every reel needed a different solution, every reel had to come apart and back together at least three times, and every reel took at least an hour.  didn't finish until after 9pm last night, so, yeah, an hour each.  still gotta get these rigged.  i'll be happy to ship out the first seven. 

if anyone has a spare 146 spool, i need two, and a right side plate.  thanks!  alan


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 07, 2018, 07:14:27 AM
You should start up a new one of these threads each month.  What's coming off the bench for July.

i'm trying to catch up with bennie!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: steelfish on July 07, 2018, 10:49:48 AM
You should start up a new one of these threads each month.  What's coming off the bench for July.

i'm trying to catch up with bennie!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D  you are on a roll Jefe.



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: nelz on July 07, 2018, 11:56:57 AM
It blows me away that people will pay to have a Senator serviced. Its just not that hard people! Ron

Getting the dog & spring to stay in place upon re-assembly on the older Penns can be a challenge. That's when they'll cry uncle and pay up, lol.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Swami805 on July 07, 2018, 12:02:41 PM
That's funny,the only reels I'm confident fixing are penns and newells. the 1st time I tried a trinidad I took the star off and little clicker thing went flying. Packed them up and sent them to you


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 07, 2018, 01:54:27 PM
i'm feeling like my chi is not strong today.  all three reels had gear problems.  nothing is lining up right.  i've seen plenty of progears with gear issues, the pacificas being the worst, but it's rare to have an old ambassadeur with these problems.  this particular one was dredged up from the bay, so a new gear set, drags and bearings are already more than the reel is worth. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on July 07, 2018, 03:08:27 PM
You should start up a new one of these threads each month.  What's coming off the bench for July.

i'm trying to catch up with bennie!
I can never catch up with you   :) one of your tunas  weighs more than all of the trout get in a year :D,,,,  ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on July 07, 2018, 03:47:34 PM
I love my Pacifica, but it is now a 4:1 with a steel Jigmaster gear set. The 5:1 brass Pacifica set are in a 501.
Ron


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on July 09, 2018, 07:13:56 AM
Alan, do you need a red or burgundy Squidder head plate? I might have one, if so i will get mail with check for the handles. PM me so I will see it.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 09, 2018, 07:26:46 AM
getting everything from randy.  thanks!!!!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Vintage Offshore Tackle on July 09, 2018, 09:28:16 AM
getting everything from randy.  thanks!!!!!!

On its way today with your spools Alan, USPS first class parcel, tracking number 9400111899560317429102.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 09, 2018, 09:46:47 AM
randy, thanks a million!!!!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 09, 2018, 04:48:28 PM
finally got three reels to work on at once, to make it easier to see the "before," "after," and "in between" shots!

https://youtu.be/yYjyFUef7-s


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on July 09, 2018, 06:03:26 PM
Hey Alan, thanks for doing that video. Most people who know me know that I am not a big fan of Shimano reels. But the TLD's I agree are fantastic reels... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: nelz on July 09, 2018, 06:20:53 PM
"an overgrown peanut"... you're killin' me man! LOL  :D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on July 09, 2018, 06:22:20 PM
Alan: That is a great informative video! You Relay know how to present the information so anyone could understand.

Thank you...........Joe  


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 10, 2018, 02:26:52 PM
like many of you, i get a fair number of calcutta TE's.  nice reels, but they can be a little tricky.  here is the most common mistake i find.  the leave spring dog is not properly grabbing the ratchet gear.  the first photo is what many of us see.  the second photo is how it is supposed to be.  if you allow the drive shaft to turn in the "forward" direction, you let the dog out!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 10, 2018, 02:29:25 PM
the more i work on these reels, the more like them.  i just wish they had a higher "power to weight" ratio!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 10, 2018, 02:35:56 PM
hey, carbon fiber drags!  they're dry, but they still have carbon fiber drags!  it's a lews 152sh!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 10, 2018, 02:41:20 PM
wow, here's a gem, and i think the owner wants to sell it!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on July 10, 2018, 06:22:18 PM
the more i work on these reels, the more like them.  i just wish they had a higher "power to weight" ratio!

           
  Alan, I agree. As I learned more about lever drags it took the Avets some time to grow on me. But after working on a few I finally relized that in the Raptor version they were pretty much every thing I looked for in a reel. Being simple to service & as bullet proof as any reel made. When fished with in their specs... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: MarkT on July 10, 2018, 06:34:31 PM
Those Raptors have pretty high specs! The std reels have to be fished with their specs, not their looks. The G2ís are what the std shouldíve been.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 10, 2018, 06:48:45 PM
I'd be interested in that Triton Alan, if the price is right.
I have a care package coming your way soon.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 10, 2018, 08:37:18 PM
not a big fan of the raptors.  i like the old school avets better.  and definitely no cast control!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 10, 2018, 08:40:02 PM
I'd be interested in that Triton Alan, if the price is right.
I have a care package coming your way soon.

i did a standard service and it was in amazing condition.  i almost didn't to the service to preserve what would have been a "nib" condition.  figure out a price and i'll let the owner know!  it's loaded with 400 yards of 50 pound daiwa j-braid and a 25 pound topshot, ready to fish!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 10, 2018, 10:13:48 PM
I would have preferred to have it as it was.
$100 is as high as I would go, with no line.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on July 11, 2018, 05:17:57 AM
Those Raptors have pretty high specs! The std reels have to be fished with their specs, not their looks. The G2ís are what the std shouldíve been.

You are right Mark. I was meaning Avets  overall. I still see people pushing the Raptors past the point they should be fished.

Been getting a freinds HX Raptor every 3 months for service & bearing replacement.

He is seni retired & fishes most every day. Says he's fine with these reels & sending them to me this often... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 11, 2018, 07:50:10 PM
I'd be interested in that Triton Alan, if the price is right.
I have a care package coming your way soon.

after seeing the reel, he decided that he wanted to keep it!   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 11, 2018, 07:51:18 PM
we don't talk about these very much, but they are very nice reels!

https://youtu.be/fqNAMALIyAM


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 11, 2018, 08:07:50 PM
there really is an order to this mess.  leave it to shimano to make it a little more complicated than it needs to be.....   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 11, 2018, 08:29:38 PM
I'd be interested in that Triton Alan, if the price is right.
I have a care package coming your way soon.

after seeing the reel, he decided that he wanted to keep it!   :-\
Can't say I blame him.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Brewcrafter on July 11, 2018, 09:30:29 PM
Hey Riverrat - What is the guy doing with his Raptors to beat them up that bad?  Is he nailing that many Cow Tuna?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on July 12, 2018, 05:11:48 AM
Hey Riverrat - What is the guy doing with his Raptors to beat them up that bad?  Is he nailing that many Cow Tuna?

  Tuna, grouper & big rays.

Ive finally talked him into letting me hot rod a Penn VSX OR VISX 12 or 16 so it will approach the same casting ability as his Raotors...Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 22, 2018, 05:44:07 AM
old school.  i saw this and my first thought was that the owner must be as old as me, and i'm old as dirt!   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 22, 2018, 05:47:16 AM
wish i had a hundred of these.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 22, 2018, 05:49:47 AM
an old okuma. massive stainless steel gears and massive drag washers!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 22, 2018, 05:53:56 AM
your basic tld 20 upgrade.  it takes a $43 handle, a $19 drag washer and a $40 service charge, but you end up with a decent reel.  it's just frustrating for the current owners who often end up spending more money than the reel was worth.  a basic upgraded 4/0 penn 113h senator performs to exactly the same levels at often half the cost. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 22, 2018, 05:58:27 AM
your basic 4/0 penn 113h senator.  for what it is and for what it does, i think it is still the best value in the world.  it has an acceptable power to weigh ratio, parts will be available forever, plenty of mods.  truly the ar-15 of the fishing reel world.  it would not surprise me at all if someone told me that this reel had taken more fish than the next 10 reels combined. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Wally15 on July 22, 2018, 06:20:42 AM
As much as I love the workhorse 113H, in my opinion (guess???)a Zebco 202 has probably caught more fish than any other reel. Unless you are referring only to saltwater, then I would agree.
It's not wise to totally disagree with the Boss.  ;D
GA Mike


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on July 22, 2018, 07:14:11 AM
The 4/0 is great for stripers,cats and carp in freshwater  :D Alan been fixing everything just in time,,,great job ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 22, 2018, 07:18:16 AM
As much as I love the workhorse 113H, in my opinion (guess???)a Zebco 202 has probably caught more fish than any other reel.

um, yeah, actually, hadn't thought about that.....   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Gfish on July 22, 2018, 07:48:53 AM
Love usin a lever drag(TLD 20) but a metal framed reel like the 4/0 Penn will beat out graphite any day for me.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 22, 2018, 10:23:41 AM
repacked the braid on the baker intl 50s.  there was suddenly room for another 150 yards of 130 pound braid.  also, look at the drag curve.  this is more like an 80 pound reel.  strike is 35 pounds, but more importantly you want 50% at full, which is 40 pounds.  you could change it, but it would involve filing down the cam by hand and reassembling the reel to check it constantly.  it would take all day.   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 22, 2018, 03:22:32 PM
my chuckle for the day!  someone actually asked what i do for inventory control!  i sent him this picture!!!!   ;D

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_22_07_18_4_19_14_248828.jpeg)



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: MarkT on July 22, 2018, 03:24:36 PM
Control what you can and manage the rest!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: scrinch on July 22, 2018, 04:43:58 PM
my chuckle for the day!  someone actually asked what i do for inventory control!  i sent him this picture!!!!   ;D

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_22_07_18_4_19_14_248828.jpeg)

Come on, lots of those stacks could be twice as high. And that wooden stool hardly has anything on it at all! ;)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 22, 2018, 05:10:08 PM
take home message for the day.  if your spool rubs, change the bearings first. 



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 22, 2018, 05:12:14 PM
did i mention that eddie, richie and i went fishing last week?  got rockfish and lings!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Gfish on July 22, 2018, 05:46:43 PM
Is thata Boccicao in the 1st pic?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Bryan Young on July 22, 2018, 07:58:47 PM
Is Richie sticking his tongue out at his dad again?  😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤪🤪🤪😜😝😛


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 22, 2018, 09:14:52 PM
yes, to both!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on July 22, 2018, 10:21:42 PM
did i mention that eddie, richie and i went fishing last week?  got rockfish and lings!

Nice catches, been dying to get out! I'm on the Oregon coast now so looking forward to some salmon fishing


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 25, 2018, 06:44:35 PM
spent this last weekend repacking braid and tying on topshots.  over 30 reels!  local guys have figured out this is the best place, and the cheapest, for this kind of work. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 25, 2018, 07:03:31 PM
and then monday i pulled out the boat with the idea of fishing wednesday and friday.  i topped off the fuel tanks and notice that the brakes were funky.  i decided to park it out tuesday overnight.  at 5am, local law enforcement saw the boat in front of the house, facing the wrong direction.  guess he couldn't resist writing me a ticket.  checked the brakes and found a hose dangling.   

the boat will spend the next week at the shop for brake work and a half dozen minor maintenance items - two live well pumps to replace, four hinges, and three switches to name a few.  ben and i go to port hardy on tuesday, returning home on saturday.  the boat should be done when i return. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 26, 2018, 08:21:01 AM
big push to finish reels before leaving for vancouver.  more party boat reels!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 26, 2018, 08:25:01 AM
lucky just to get this one apart!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on July 26, 2018, 08:34:02 AM
Nasty reel.    you got a ticket? That's the best use of the police's time???? He should be hunting down Bryan's stolen Newell.....


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: handi2 on July 26, 2018, 08:35:09 AM
Especially with the screws they use....


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on July 26, 2018, 08:39:11 PM
Great job,,,that had to be a fun trip Alan  ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 26, 2018, 10:25:13 PM
Nasty reel.    you got a ticket? That's the best use of the police's time???? He should be hunting down Bryan's stolen Newell.....
I still scour the Web for that reel.
I love the police, I get pulled over at least once a month on the way home from work.
They always let me go, because I'm not the fish they are after.
When you drive a 1989 Pick up, I guess they think you are up to no good.
You crossed the yellow line, You were going 5 miles over the speed limit, Your tags are expired. (By One Day!)
You have a bad tail light. You didn't Signal.(There was no one in the four way to signal and the tail light was on order)
I guess it is a good thing, because there really are a lot of people up to no good. I just deal with it.
I just say Yes Sir, No Sir, No, I have not been Drinking. I am coming from Work. So you sure you haven't been drinking?
No Sir, I Don't Drink at work.
Yea, That is really how it went just three weeks ago. ::)
They run my tags, Registration and Insurance while my beer is getting warm. ;)
Yes Sir, No Sir goes a long way. I just want to go home and drink a beer after work. ;D
Protect and Serve!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Gfish on July 26, 2018, 10:48:47 PM
Yep. Honolulu this last weekend. My parking ticket was for not being 4' away from the driveways in back n front a my rental, about 2 min. after I went to check in. The more urban a place, the more nit-picky the laws. Gotta generate some income for the city!...? Paid by mail and attached an angry note about a better option for an obvious "out-of-towner" being a warning ticket. Quotas?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: JRD on July 27, 2018, 06:21:52 AM
lucky just to get this one apart!

Alan I've read a lot of your tutorials.  What's the best way you have found to wash the crude off of the large parts?  I normally wait until the better half isn't looking and fill the sink with hot water and dish detergent then go after them with a tooth brush.  The only issue is it takes time for the pieces (thread holes) to fully dry without the use of compressed air.  On any given day I have 3 or 4 reels drying in my bay window and normally takes a day or two.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 27, 2018, 07:46:24 AM
i don't have the luxury of time to use an ultrasonic cleaner anymore.  if it's really bad, i'll spray it with corrosion x to keep down the dust, then chisel or chip away with dental picks or the sharpened ends of flat screwdrivers to remove the crud, then scrub with old toothbrushes.  by far the fastest is to go after stainless steel parts, and even some chromed parts, with the wire wheel side of a grinder.  i have to do all of these quickly because the line is so long.  i spent 8 hours yesterday working on the last 6 reels from the yokomizu brothers.  i now have only one more to go.  it's an old aluminum bodied daiwa sealine. 

remember those picture games when we were kids?  yeah, the ones where you had to find the various items in a pile of stuff?  well, there's a dental pick, an old screwdriver use to scrape things, an old swiss army knife, and a toothbrush.  these are all the things i use to clean corrosion out of reels.   


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on July 29, 2018, 02:21:02 PM
ow. sometimes that's the only way to go.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Jim Fujitani on July 30, 2018, 07:40:13 AM
And you forgot to list the ELBOW GREASE!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 30, 2018, 02:48:42 PM
spent saturday on the bay this time.   a friend of mine had asked if he could use the boat to spread the ashes of a dear friend in mccovy cove.  his friend had been a big sf giants fan and this was her final wish.  we launched out of south san francisco and headed north along the old waterfront.  

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_30_07_18_3_36_25_24905884.jpeg)

it was an easy run to the ballpark.  they had a very nice ceremony all planned.  

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_30_07_18_3_38_37_249072382.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_30_07_18_3_36_25_249052407.jpeg)

we took a quick scenic tour of the bay, then back to the launch ramp.  they took in an evening game and sadly watched the giants lose (again!).  the way it worked out, i actually would have had time to run for salmon in the morning!  guys all came in early with limits!  nice day on the water!

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/1_30_07_18_3_38_37_24907957.jpeg)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Gfish on July 30, 2018, 03:47:42 PM
Always used to see guys anchored in the cove during games, very close to the boardwalk/stadium. A line out, a beer open, the TV on and a net ready for home run balls


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 30, 2018, 07:41:52 PM
You are a True Gentleman Alan. ;)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on July 30, 2018, 07:44:09 PM
That was very nice of you ;D great job alan


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on July 30, 2018, 08:27:33 PM
ok, last reel tonight!  i've gotta get this reel packaged up to ship and them finish packing myself.  i'm headed to vancouver tomorrow.  the reel is headed to east timor via portugal!  i found a perfect steel main gear inside.  i added a stainless steel gear sleeve, a stainless steel dog, my 5/0 grip and stainless steel arm, and 400 yards of 60# big game.  i guess this makes it kind of a unique reel.  except for the plain steel main gear, the entire drivetrain is stainless steel. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 30, 2018, 08:39:07 PM
All Meat and Taters right there. ;)
Have a great trip Boss!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rubbermanoc on July 31, 2018, 07:52:05 AM
Alan:

How do i get parts or send you my reels to work on???

William


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on July 31, 2018, 09:52:35 AM
William, Alan is out of town fishing, he'll be back on Saturday.
Leave a message here and he will get back to you:
alantani@yahoo.com

Sal


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 06, 2018, 04:41:18 PM
back at it!  more guys with reels to rig.  it's not just service anymore. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on August 06, 2018, 07:07:35 PM
That line looks a little ratty, I't was needing change................Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 06, 2018, 07:40:52 PM
That line looks a little ratty, I't was needing change................Joe

that's what i thought at first, but the line is actually ok!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 06, 2018, 09:27:37 PM
finished all 9 reels needed for his upcoming trip.  no service this time, just braid repacking and fluorocarbon! 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on August 07, 2018, 02:37:36 AM
Nice! I gotta come back out there for a rigging / splicing class! How's Joey?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 07, 2018, 07:39:52 AM
How's Joey?

oh, i fired him!!!!!   ;D

yeah, absolutely the greatest kid.  i wish we had an entire generation like him.  he had interned at kpmg the summer before he graduated and they offered him a job as soon as he got out.  he's been working like crazy, plus studying for his cpa exam.  so, yeah, i fired him!!!!  hey, someone's gotta get out and support that social security system!!!!! 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on August 07, 2018, 07:48:22 AM
Great for him! I hope he gets a minute here and there to get after those monster bass he showed me.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 07, 2018, 07:53:36 AM
well, as a first year accountant, he gets all the grunt work.  he knows he's gotta pay his dues.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on August 07, 2018, 08:57:44 AM
Joey good name! ;D I wish him a good career in accounting. I guess you taught him work ethic.

Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Wally15 on August 07, 2018, 10:04:51 AM
Nice! I gotta come back out there for a rigging / splicing class! How's Joey?
John, you set up a trip and I'll join you. Maybe we can talk him into a boat ride. After the class, of course.
Mike


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 08, 2018, 03:13:32 PM
here's that shim washer that i was talking about earlier.  just finished two of these and they did not have or need the washer.  now this third one has a washer,  it provides a little space between the drag pressure plate and the left side plate bearing.  maybe there were differences between some of the different runs of side plates......   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 08, 2018, 04:30:47 PM
this little guy was torched and still took 20 minutes.  just add grease to the screw and a little to the screw hole.  no need to clean it out.  grease alone will work fine. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 11, 2018, 12:23:18 PM
local rockcod reels.  dark were the days when we used straight mono.......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 12, 2018, 09:27:50 AM
working on another talica.  just curious.  why is it that an asymmetric spool is a good idea?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Wally15 on August 12, 2018, 09:48:37 AM
working on another talica.  just curious.  why is it that an asymmetric spool is a good idea?

Balance the reel weight/CG to the center of the spool?? Not including the handle??

An uneducated guess.

GA Mike


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 12, 2018, 11:33:05 AM
not sure who wound on the braid for this guy, but this pin will come flying out if pulled hard enough. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Jeffro on August 12, 2018, 03:48:00 PM
working on another talica.  just curious.  why is it that an asymmetric spool is a good idea?

Haven't tried casting this way but here is a partial description of the Torsa from a Shimano retailer:  "The handle side of the spool is taller than the non-handle side. This extended spool lip gives the angler a very consistent surface to thumb during the cast. It has shown to be valuable as it provides more manageability than thumbing the inconsistent surface of the line on the spool."


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on August 12, 2018, 06:35:45 PM
Of course, that only means something if you cast with the wrong hand!
Ron


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 12, 2018, 09:03:34 PM
the biggest reel i've worked on in a very long time.  it's all cleaned up and ready to go back together, but i'm beat.  gonna turn in for the night and put it back together in the morning.  


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on August 12, 2018, 11:11:37 PM
Of course, that only means something if you cast with the wrong hand!
Ron

Not necessarily many fellas will across the spool to thumb the shoulder of the spool.

Had a friend who I guess was watching me cast over a period of three days on the river.
He asked why I sometimes thumb different sides of the when casting.
I didnt have an answer because I didnt realize I did this.
I soon realized I get better leverage & better finesse using different sides of the spool during a cast

I cant explain it but I can feel it & see the difference ... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 13, 2018, 06:01:27 PM
now this was a disappointment.  12 pounds of drag at strike before losing freespool.  the reel is rigged with 300 yards of 60 pound hollow on bottom and 300 yards of 80 pound hollow on top.  the limited drag range makes this reel suitable for a 40 pound topshot and that's it.  i think this one is a single drag system, not double, which would explain the poor drag range. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on August 13, 2018, 07:14:28 PM
 great info and great job getting them done ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on August 14, 2018, 05:24:32 AM
Thats why I dont own an Accurate Fury good price but poor performance


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Jim Fujitani on August 14, 2018, 07:59:00 AM
I agree.  I started with Accurate because of the well-tested dual drag system.  Small reels, big fish.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 14, 2018, 10:14:59 AM
another lexa......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: foakes on August 14, 2018, 10:20:09 AM
Ohhhh.....Crud!

😕😕😕

Looking forward to after the Master works his skills.

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on August 14, 2018, 01:03:22 PM
It looks like the insides of my garbage disposal. :o ;D

Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 14, 2018, 01:31:19 PM
wow!  finally an easy one!  a penn ht-100 #6-113 on bottom and a #6-113h on top!  


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on August 14, 2018, 02:12:53 PM
another lexa......


   Thats bad. But I'm thinking it's not as bad as it looks... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 14, 2018, 02:15:42 PM
another lexa......


   Thats bad. But I'm thinking it's not as bad as it looks... Jeff

it's amazing what you can do with aerosol corrosion x! 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Lunker Larry on August 14, 2018, 03:24:06 PM
Double check the yoke on the Lexa. I've found wear and curly shavings of plastic in the ones I've serviced. There is also a tiny brass clip that sits in the center of the yoke that comes off and causes all sorts of grief.
Larry


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 14, 2018, 03:26:28 PM
it was good.  i got a good look at it when i was scrubbing off all the salt crud. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: conchydong on August 14, 2018, 04:32:33 PM
wow!  finally an easy one!  a penn ht-100 #6-113 on bottom and a #6-113h on top!  

The mooching concept is very foreign to me. What is the advantage of that type of reel? Looks like a fly reel that isn't really a fly reel.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 14, 2018, 07:21:52 PM
these reels are easiest for me if i use them like a spinning reel, from the left.  these guys crank from the right side.  it's all backwards!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: MarkT on August 14, 2018, 07:27:53 PM
Wow, you need to create a new one of these each month... Whatís coming off the bench for Sept Ď18 for a start. Otherwise itíll get to 140 pages.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 14, 2018, 09:30:02 PM
600 yards of 130 pound JB hollow, alternating colors every 100 yards, plus a custom handle!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 21, 2018, 05:43:45 PM
Setting up a tld 25 for northwest albacore trolling with 80 pound braid and a 60 pound topshot,  12 pounds of drag at strike and 20 pounds at full.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on August 21, 2018, 07:34:12 PM
Great job alan,,, and line set up helps,,,great info ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 21, 2018, 11:29:26 PM
since i've been doing this, i've been amazed at how low some of the drag curves are.   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Joao Tavares on August 22, 2018, 12:08:31 AM
ok, last reel tonight!  i've gotta get this reel packaged up to ship and them finish packing myself.  i'm headed to vancouver tomorrow.  the reel is headed to east timor via portugal!  i found a perfect steel main gear inside.  i added a stainless steel gear sleeve, a stainless steel dog, my 5/0 grip and stainless steel arm, and 400 yards of 60# big game.  i guess this makes it kind of a unique reel.  except for the plain steel main gear, the entire drivetrain is stainless steel. 


And guess what? Today, that reel landed in my hands in Oť-Cusse, East Timor, after transit through Portugal. Absolutely magnificent work and effort by Alan Tani. Once again, thank you very much.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 24, 2018, 09:40:45 PM
glad the reel made it safely!!!!!   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 24, 2018, 09:48:20 PM
here is what we use for big fish.  it's the makaira 50 two speed.  it's loaded with 700 yards of alternating colors of 130 pound jerry brown hollow core, then a topshot of 130 pound pink seaguar fluorocarbon.  the drags are set to 45 pounds at strike and 65 pounds at full.  that is the 30% strika and 50% full settings that i look for in a reel.  get a 100 pound spring scale and check your drags.  the penn international 50 vsx and visx should give you a similar performance.  if you actually do test your reel, let me know what your results are! 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 25, 2018, 05:43:24 PM
I never bothered shimming the right spool bearing before,  but decided to try it this time. The outside diameter is 12mm and the thickness needed us 1.65mm. I still wish I could own the division of shimano that made all of the graphite reels.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: swill88 on August 25, 2018, 07:40:15 PM
I never bothered shimming the right spool bearing before,  but decided to try it this time. The outside diameter is 12mm and the thickness needed us 1.65mm. I still wish I could own the division of shimano that made all of the graphite reels.

Make them an offer Alan...They want your name on their brand... Shimano Nisei AT...



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 25, 2018, 07:50:23 PM
here is what we use for big fish.  it's the makaira 50 two speed.  it's loaded with 700 yards of alternating colors of 130 pound jerry brown hollow core, then a topshot of 130 pound pink seaguar fluorocarbon.  the drags are set to 45 pounds at strike and 65 pounds at full.  that is the 30% strika and 50% full settings that i look for in a reel.  get a 100 pound spring scale and check your drags.  the penn international 50 vsx and visx should give you a similar performance.  if you actually do test your reel, let me know what your results are! 

i think that the drag setting numbers will really be an eye opener for people,,  some people set the drags by feel and have no idea what their true drag numbers are.  other people measure the drag at strike but have no idea what the progression looks like.  what i have started doing is to check the drags at several different points so that you know how quickly the drag ramps up.  this can be critical when you have a hot running yellowfin and you want to ease the drag pressure up to drag the circle hook into the corner of his mouth.  it also helps when you have this fish doing a death circle and you're having trouble lifting him.  i look for a 30% drag setting at strike and a 50% setting at full.  you can check your own reel and use these stickers as a reminder for yourself or anyone else using your reel so that there is no question.  you may find that your favorite older reel does not deliver this level of performance.  measuring the drag and using the stickers will give you the entire drag profile of your reel.  it can be a big help when you are deciding whether to push the drag lever forward or not!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 25, 2018, 07:53:23 PM
I never bothered shimming the right spool bearing before,  but decided to try it this time. The outside diameter is 12mm and the thickness needed us 1.65mm. I still wish I could own the division of shimano that made all of the graphite reels.

Make them an offer Alan...They want your name on their brand... Shimano Nisei AT...



i was thinking more of "alaskan" series.  or just "A" series and just let everyone try to figure out the the "A" stands for.   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Joao Tavares on August 25, 2018, 09:10:32 PM
I never bothered shimming the right spool bearing before,  but decided to try it this time. The outside diameter is 12mm and the thickness needed us 1.65mm. I still wish I could own the division of shimano that made all of the graphite reels.

Did you do it to get rid of the annoying losing free spoll when tilting to the right?
Did you achieve the goal?
Jo„o


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 25, 2018, 09:43:03 PM
yes, that was the purpose. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Joao Tavares on August 25, 2018, 10:46:53 PM
So now you know what my next question is:

- How do I find out what shim I need for my Tyrnos 50II 2speed LRS? How do I figure the shim measures required? IDXODXTh

And after I know what shim I need, where do I get them? Are they SS or Delrin or....?
Jo„o




Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on August 26, 2018, 12:00:38 AM
I just turn the star more or less.
Ron


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on August 26, 2018, 01:55:17 AM
here is what we use for big fish.  it's the makaira 50 two speed.  it's loaded with 700 yards of alternating colors of 130 pound jerry brown hollow core, then a topshot of 130 pound pink seaguar fluorocarbon.  the drags are set to 45 pounds at strike and 65 pounds at full.  that is the 30% strika and 50% full settings that i look for in a reel.  get a 100 pound spring scale and check your drags.  the penn international 50 vsx and visx should give you a similar performance.  if you actually do test your reel, let me know what your results are!  
very good Idea Alan, where do you get those stickers?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 26, 2018, 07:12:30 AM
here is what we use for big fish.  it's the makaira 50 two speed.  it's loaded with 700 yards of alternating colors of 130 pound jerry brown hollow core, then a topshot of 130 pound pink seaguar fluorocarbon.  the drags are set to 45 pounds at strike and 65 pounds at full.  that is the 30% strika and 50% full settings that i look for in a reel.  get a 100 pound spring scale and check your drags.  the penn international 50 vsx and visx should give you a similar performance.  if you actually do test your reel, let me know what your results are!  
very good Idea Alan, where do you get those stickers?

http://www.onecooltuna.com/


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 26, 2018, 07:14:11 AM
So now you know what my next question is:

- How do I find out what shim I need for my Tyrnos 50II 2speed LRS? How do I figure the shim measures required? IDXODXTh

And after I know what shim I need, where do I get them? Are they SS or Delrin or....?
Jo„o




measure the outside diameter of the right side spool bearing.  if it's a stainless steel shim washer that i have, i can simply put it in a plain letter envelope and mail it to you!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: nelz on August 26, 2018, 07:19:54 AM
measure the outside diameter of the right side spool bearing.  if it's a stainless steel shim washer that i have, i can simply put it in a plain letter envelope and mail it to you!

Alan, what side of the bearing does the shim go on?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 26, 2018, 07:28:10 AM
inside!  underneath the bearing!  it works great.  i bought these shims years ago but never used them much until now!   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on August 26, 2018, 09:22:48 AM
here is what we use for big fish.  it's the makaira 50 two speed.  it's loaded with 700 yards of alternating colors of 130 pound jerry brown hollow core, then a topshot of 130 pound pink seaguar fluorocarbon.  the drags are set to 45 pounds at strike and 65 pounds at full.  that is the 30% strika and 50% full settings that i look for in a reel.  get a 100 pound spring scale and check your drags.  the penn international 50 vsx and visx should give you a similar performance.  if you actually do test your reel, let me know what your results are!  
very good Idea Alan, where do you get those stickers?

http://www.onecooltuna.com/
Thanks boss!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Gfish on August 26, 2018, 09:23:21 AM
Don't wanna disrupt the flow of this thread too much, but I godda ask bout the Makaira 2speed-sticker thing. It's gotta drag range adjuster on the pivot point of the lever right( can't see it in the pic.)? If you do some readjusting you do you godda move the stickers?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 26, 2018, 02:32:00 PM
yup!  these are specific to southern california, baja and the west coast of mexico. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Joao Tavares on August 26, 2018, 03:51:21 PM

[/quote]
measure the outside diameter of the right side spool bearing.  if it's a stainless steel shim washer that i have, i can simply put it in a plain letter envelope and mail it to you!
[/quote]

Alan
Both spool bearings are the same TGT0483 8mmx16mmx5mm.
As you can see per attached drawing, both bearings are separated by the pressure release spring.
From what you said, I reckon the shimm should go between the spring and the right side spool bearing, right?

Thank you.
Jo„o


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 26, 2018, 05:12:51 PM
found these on amazon.  i just ordered two packs. 

12mm I.D. x 16mm O.D. x 0.50mm Shoulder Screw (Stripper Bolt) Lengthening Shim (Pack of 25)

https://www.amazon.com/0-50mm-Shoulder-Screw-Stripper-Lengthening/dp/B0036R4RHG/ref=sr_1_17?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1535332263&sr=1-17&refinements=p_n_feature_eleven_browse-bin%3A3622111011


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: STRIPER LOU on August 26, 2018, 05:49:37 PM
McMaster Carr carries a full line of those shims too.

..................Lou


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Joao Tavares on August 26, 2018, 06:31:23 PM
You must have ordered the last packs. Went looking and they're out of stock.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 27, 2018, 08:13:23 AM
it let me back order them.  i ordered a bunch of different thicknesses, got four all total.  i'll let you know when they arrive!  perhaps i could mail these directly to you in a plain letter envelope? 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Joao Tavares on August 27, 2018, 03:28:17 PM
Yes, mailing them in a plain letter should be no problem. I'll PM you my home address and you let me know how much I need to send you.
Cheers
Jo„o


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 31, 2018, 09:53:54 AM
30 pounds at strike only gives us 40 pounds at full, not the 50 pounds that i usually look for.  it's an avet pro-ex 50/2 sds. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: MarkT on August 31, 2018, 10:01:09 AM
You don't expect to get 50# at full when it's set to 30# at strike on any reel, do you?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 31, 2018, 10:26:35 AM
yeah, well, i guess not on this reel.......   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on August 31, 2018, 11:53:01 AM
old school avet jx, single speed, 400 yards of 65 pound j-braid, 50 yards of mono, a $20 5/0 grip, drag set to 9 pounds at strike and 15 at full. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on September 09, 2018, 09:11:43 AM
took a break last week.  full report to follow. 

(http://alantani.com/gallery/25/1_08_09_18_4_42_30_253651929.jpeg)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on September 09, 2018, 09:15:50 AM
Nice break  ;D........................Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on September 09, 2018, 09:16:05 AM
there's an old cavalry principle, "first the horse, then the gun, then the man."  got home super late friday night. i emptied the suv, washed and gassed it up yesterday morning, and finally got the gear stowed.  i after loaning a bunch of reels out over the last several months, plus taking some to cedros to fish with last week, the braid need to be repacked and the topshots replaced on all the loaner reels.  sometimes you also have to take care of your own stuff.  it took all day yesterday and part of this morning, but now it's done.  time to get back to work on everyone else's reels.  


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on September 09, 2018, 09:19:37 AM
And so the saga goes on. 8) ;) :D............................Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on September 09, 2018, 09:48:11 AM
Those gold two on the bottom, there the business!
Ron


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: swill88 on September 09, 2018, 09:55:44 AM
Nice reel bag upgrade!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on September 09, 2018, 11:40:09 AM
took a break last week.  full report to follow. 

(http://alantani.com/gallery/25/1_08_09_18_4_42_30_253651929.jpeg)
Nice Yellowtail boss!

Sal


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Donnyboat on September 09, 2018, 02:36:02 PM
Your reel bag looks good & the fish, also the bloke holding it, cheers Don.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: redsetta on September 11, 2018, 06:15:18 PM
Hi Alan,
I'm sure you've answered this one before, but I can't seem to locate the answer.
Are these drag figures are set via a straight-pull directly between the reel and scale?
Thanks, Justin


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on September 11, 2018, 07:29:14 PM
straight pull.  a rod adds 10%.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: redsetta on September 11, 2018, 07:31:06 PM
Perfect, thanks Alan


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on September 17, 2018, 12:36:22 PM
found a round hole punch to make drag stickers!  used them for the first time on this andros 16 two speed.  i set it to 25 pounds at "strike."  i couldn't use a number for "full," though.  i don't have a sticker that says "27."   >:(


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: David Hall on September 17, 2018, 12:51:07 PM
with only 2 lbs difference why even bother with strike settings, just push it all the way up.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on September 17, 2018, 01:08:48 PM
they need to redo the cam.  it really limits its usefulness this way. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on September 17, 2018, 02:17:36 PM
 Other than the 5 which is all wrong in the other direction, the whole Andros series is like this. I make mention of this in my tutorial on 12N. I suspect it is done by Okuma to help protect pinion bearing. 

2 differing ways I've dealt with. One, set strike a few clicks prior to contact with strike button. Downside its easy to bump drag forward when doing it this way. Two, break out the fine toothed file & have at the cam. I ruined two of my own before I felt comfortable attempting to do it on others reels. The cams aren't cheap & are easy to foul up... Jeff   


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 02, 2018, 09:12:11 PM
doing a standard drag upgrade and bearing service on the venerable shimano tld 15.  been a while since i've seen a brand new one.  i was pleasantly surprised to see all open bearings!  could be be that shimano actually agrees with me on open spool bearings?   ::)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: foakes on October 02, 2018, 09:17:12 PM
I love the 5, 10, and 15 LDís!

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on October 03, 2018, 12:24:30 PM
I love the 5, 10, and 15 LDís!

Best,

Fred

  Only Shimanos I reelly like & use... Jeff 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Frank on October 03, 2018, 12:32:41 PM
Those gold two on the bottom, there the business!
Ron

You got that right!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Gfish on October 03, 2018, 12:53:46 PM
Still alota graphite though.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on October 03, 2018, 01:19:10 PM
Still alota graphite though.

   There is, but for rough use reels that lay in the bottom of a small boat while headed out or tossed in the back of a pickup uncovered, loaner reels etc.  they work great. I've never cracked a frame on any of them... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: redsetta on October 03, 2018, 03:20:54 PM
Let's not forget the venerable BeastMaster 30/50 and 50/80 - where it all began!  ;)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Jigtosser on October 05, 2018, 09:55:48 PM
An old school reel for sure, !  :D
Helped Shimano on tuning the drags for left coast Tuna, The Beasts of Guadalupe, weíre too much for the original drag curve, many people were not on board with the new line...Spectra!

Many were splashed, a back up rig put to the test,  fun times...
Great Reels, they have caught more than expected over the years...
I still think they are overlooked my many, they have caught many Big Tuna before the Accurates and Avets
Small 2spís took over the market.
Dan


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Joao Tavares on October 09, 2018, 10:45:49 PM
i started out here in the garage at 7am and it's now 10pm.  time really flies when you are doing something that you enjoy!

Yeah, I hear you. That Islay single malt peeted flavour is a killer. Already own quite a few square inches of land over there.

Didn't know it was popular thing in your neck of the woods :)



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 24, 2018, 05:22:33 PM
i can hardly believe i'm saying this, but the penn vsx line is now officially old school! still a great reel, though. a friend shipped two of these 16 vsx's to me 6 months ago and i'm finally just not getting to them. i did the standard lube and bearing service, then realized two things. one, the reels were loaded with 700 yards of 65 pound solid power pro. easy fix. i peeled off the old line and loaded them with 450 yards of 80 pound hollow seaguar threadlock and a 50 yard topshot of 80 pound berkley big game. then the second thing. when i went to set the drags, i got a nasty surprise. the reel jumped from 25 pounds at strike to 60 pounds at full. the bellevilles in these new reels were configured "(())." when i switched them to "()()," i got 15 pounds at "2," 25 pounds at "strike," and 40 pounds at "full." perfect! oh, yeah, and i changed out the handle grip.

so what you are looking at now is a near perfect 80 pound reel with a 500 yard line capacity, a 30% drag setting at strike and a 50% drag setting at full. and the prices are coming down. so what makes this reel "old school?" it's not silent when you crank like the okuma makaira and the new penn visx. the spring loaded dogs make a "ratchety" noise when you crank. if the noise doesn't bother you, go get one! the steadily progressive drag curve might make the old vsx's the best "old school" reels!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 24, 2018, 05:30:37 PM
ok, this comes under the category of "kids, don't try this a home."


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 24, 2018, 05:32:50 PM
that was only part of the shipment.  when all finished, it looked like this.  uggh, you're looking at a day and a half's worth of work!   :-[



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on October 24, 2018, 07:20:43 PM
ok, this comes under the category of "kids, don't try this a home."

I've started with a pile that looks just like that on that table and ended up with a couple reels! It just calls you to it.
The Man


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on October 25, 2018, 03:06:12 AM
Nice job Boss. I noticed the Suntory 'liverners' in the background - luv it :)
I recently had bought for me a lovely Roku Gin from the Suntory distillery - absolutely gorgeous with a Fevertree tonic!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 28, 2018, 04:38:52 PM
it's been a while since i've cracked open a big avet.  there are four total in line.  after a standard service, the line will be repacked and i will see what kind of drag ranges we get!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 28, 2018, 08:36:42 PM
ok, stock, i got 30 pounds at strike before losing freespool.  this is on a 3 speed avet 50!!!! i changed around the bellevilles and got 20 at bait, 40 at strike and 50 at full.  i was looking for 40 at strike and 60 at full, but at this point i will take what i can get. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on October 28, 2018, 08:49:17 PM
Alan, you like those big Avets? Are they heavy compared to the Penn 50 vsx you just serviced? Keep up the good work, I really enjoy this thread!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 28, 2018, 09:07:02 PM
these 50 class reels are all the same size - heavy!  doesn't matter, they're all heavy.  and when you lay it on the rail, it doesn't matter whether it weighs 2 pounds or 20 pounds.  the important thing is the drag range.  this one falls short.  


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on October 28, 2018, 09:12:47 PM
Gotcha, thanks for the reply! Jeff is going to build me some uc viper rail rods soon, so was just wondering.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 28, 2018, 09:52:56 PM
Gotcha, thanks for the reply! Jeff is going to build me some uc viper rail rods soon, so was just wondering.

the viper is the perfect 100 pound stick, easily holding up under 30 to 50 pounds of drag.  and you want a reel that will match that level of performance.  we are talking about the makaira 20, the penn international vsx 20, or the newer visx 20.  one of those three.  don't get talked into anything else. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on October 28, 2018, 10:03:48 PM
That Okuma looks real good, will get me a couple of those for chunking for yellowfin in Venice, LA.
At home though, the Viper will have a hot rodded 6/0 for pulling big grouper from the depths...
Thanks for all your help, AT!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 28, 2018, 10:08:05 PM
if you're not going with 30 pounds of drag, the viper is a waste.  go with the centaur for 25 pounds of drag and the viper for 30. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on October 28, 2018, 10:16:14 PM
right on, I have two 600h Daiwas that have the insert drags, ss sleeves and getting dd bridges on them this week, will set them at 35-40#'s, and can use them on the viper
also, my 6/0 Penns will eventually get the same treatment and can use them as well, probably set them at 35#'s, how's that sound?
we have some really big grouper off our coast and the Viper seems like a perfect rod for them, I'll need to polish up on the rail technique though  ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 28, 2018, 10:21:45 PM
30 pounds is a good setting for these combos.  not sure what the fish will think, but the rod and reel will be balanced. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on October 28, 2018, 10:23:28 PM
haha, thanks again, I'll let you know how it goes...


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 29, 2018, 10:00:13 AM
this is a two speed avet pro 50.  out of the box, it delivered only 35 pounds of drag at strike and 40 pounds at full before losing freespool.  i changed the bellevilles around and i'm going to put it back together now.  we'll see what i can squeeze out of it.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on October 29, 2018, 11:08:15 AM
Alan: Is that reel a single plate with double drag discs that I'm looking at in that photo? If so it looks like plenty of surface for drag pressure for ample drag I would think.

Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 29, 2018, 11:25:38 AM
yup, two drags and a massive stainless steel rotor.  you'd think......  :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on October 29, 2018, 11:29:53 AM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!  ??? I would be interested in the outcome of your salutation....................Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tightlines666 on October 29, 2018, 11:35:50 AM
I remember being dissapointed by the drag range on the last avet ex80 I worked on, but I can't remember the numbers I ended up with.



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on October 29, 2018, 11:42:40 AM
A simple answer would be put more pressure on it, But the design may not be made that way if it's only center pressure. Seems to me it would have to be even pressure all around. We will see what Alan comes up with.

Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 29, 2018, 11:46:40 AM
here is the drag curve.  it's 30 pounds at the 12 o'clock postion, 40 pounds at strike and 50 pounds at full.  this curve is a function of both the bellevilles and the cam.  well, the bellevilles are about as stiff as i can make them, so now it's all about the cam. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on October 29, 2018, 12:10:20 PM
That is impressive. But a lot of pressure on full. Lets hope the reel isn't needed in full for long...............Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 29, 2018, 01:48:18 PM
this reel should be able to maintain this level for hours with no problem. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 29, 2018, 02:02:36 PM
ok, the last 50 class avet.  40 pounds of drag a strike and 45 pounds at full.  gonna do the standard service and change out the bellevilles just like the last two.  stand by.......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on October 29, 2018, 05:13:43 PM
Alan: do you do a ()/() or something other configuration?....................Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 29, 2018, 06:57:37 PM
actually it was "|))))" with one of the bellevilles being a thicker one that i luckily had in inventory. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on October 29, 2018, 07:00:55 PM
I've seen your garage, luck had nothing to do with it!
Ron


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 29, 2018, 07:09:21 PM
that i had it in inventory or that i was able to find it?   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on October 29, 2018, 07:12:28 PM
OK,
It was lucky that you found it. But I'll bet there is a bag of main gears for zebco spin casters in there that you don't even know about!
The Man


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on October 29, 2018, 07:27:23 PM
A man's mess is a sign of his sanity, and a organized mess is a sign of genius! ;) ;D...................Joe 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 29, 2018, 08:27:50 PM
well, i do know where to find a set of four main and pinions for the progear classic series 500's.....


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on October 29, 2018, 08:51:36 PM
Yuk, Yuk, Yuk!
Ron


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 29, 2018, 10:16:16 PM
years ago, i hailed avet's old 4/01 as the best in it's class. when they insisted on keeping their dry drags after every other manufacturer went with greased drags, i decided to let them go their own way. with this batch of four big avets that were sent in for service, i decided to take another look. the big 50's lacked the drag range that i typically look for in a 130 pound class reel. their drag range is more suitable for a 100 ;pound class reel. this pro exw 4/02 is another story. i repacked the braid and found a mix of 600 yards total of 80 pound solid and hollow. i was then able to easily set the drags to 25 pounds at strike and 40 pounds at full. that gives me the 30% strike/50% full settings that i look for. the drag were sticky as hell, but at least the proper range was there, cal's grease and a standard service will fix all of that. finally, a reel with the drag range that i look for. this is shaping up to be a great 80 pound class reel.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: redsetta on October 30, 2018, 10:12:46 PM
This is probably my favourite thread, thanks Alan.
So a quick Q&A, if you don't mind:
I'm currently running 30 strike/40 full on my 80lb reel and 40/50 on my 100lb reel.
80lb/100lb braid backing respectively, but 50lb mono topshot on my 80 and 80lb mono topshot on my 100.
Am I undermining the logic?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on October 30, 2018, 10:47:19 PM
using the 30% strike/50% full guidelines, it's not what i would typically use.  i would usually recommend 500 yards of 80 braid, a 25 yard topshot of 80 fluoro, 25 pounds of drag at strike 40 pounds at full, and a rod to match.  the 100 pound reel would be 700 yards of 100 pound braid, a 25 yard topshot of 100 pound fluoro, 30 pounds at strike and 50 pounds at full.  so there is both line capacity and drag range to consider.  and then you have to get a rod to match. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: redsetta on October 30, 2018, 11:07:01 PM
Thanks Alan.
Looks like new topshots for me ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on October 31, 2018, 10:17:31 AM
I of course bow to the subject matter expertise of the Boss. However, I think it's important to point out that you can fish a big reel lighter if that is what the fish want. Especially if you are not casting. The SOA trip taught me that 30 gets bit more but is harder to land a fish with. Of all the compromises due to space and budget, I think big reel fished light is best. That wasn't my opinion a couple months ago.
The Man


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on November 01, 2018, 01:35:28 PM
Shimano is very proud of their Talica reels, which I think is business-speak for being over- priced. Doc wants to fish this reel for big fish. It is rigged with 500 yards of 100 pound jb hollow and will get a 50 yard topshot of 100 pound mono.  I actually was able to get 30 pounds of drag at strike and 50 pounds at full. But just because you can do something,  it doesn't mean you should.  I would not be surprised if he shreds the gears. Grab some popcorn and let's watch.  This could be fun!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: RowdyW on November 01, 2018, 02:08:43 PM
It might be a "hold my beer & watch this" episoide.  ;D ;D      Rudy


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on November 01, 2018, 03:06:38 PM
I thought Sal was the one wanting to blow up a reel on a big fish? Hopefully there will be video...


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on November 01, 2018, 04:03:23 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: steelfish on November 01, 2018, 04:25:16 PM
Shimano is very proud of their Talica reels, which I think is business-speak for being over- priced. Doc wants to fish this reel for big fish. It is rigged with 500 yards of 100 pound jb hollow and will get a 50 yard topshot of 100 pound mono.  I actually was able to get 30 pounds of drag at strike and 50 pounds at full. But just because you can do something,  it doesn't mean you should.  I would not be surprised if he shreds the gears. Grab some popcorn and let's watch.  This could be fun!

I have that same feeling about Talicas, they are offered as powerfull reel but what got me thinking when I was just opening the reel were the tiny screws that hold the sideplate to the frame, just 4 really small screws than can be easily misthreaded or head broken with some corrosion

I have thin fingers, I think mine in the pic is 5/8", so you can get an idea of the tiny screw size


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on November 01, 2018, 05:01:15 PM
Shimano has done very well at catching fisherman.

 By simply doing nothing more than giving the unknowing what they want in a lot instances... Jeff


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on November 07, 2018, 09:48:54 PM
believe or not, there is actually an old gold trinidad 12 here, somewhere.....


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on November 07, 2018, 09:50:03 PM
and here is an old trinidad 40.  note that the stock drags are totally dry. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on November 09, 2018, 11:09:42 PM
https://youtu.be/A8aXBfXdVac


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on November 09, 2018, 11:12:15 PM
mike's reel!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on November 10, 2018, 05:09:29 AM
I could load all of my reels with the ling you put on that, and then some...............................Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on November 10, 2018, 05:27:18 AM
Yes,,,,, 20/0's likes line :D and lots of it :o my reel held one weeks pay check  ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on November 10, 2018, 11:39:55 AM
......my reel held one weeks pay check  ;D

   This just busts me up laughing out loud. A serious rip in the pants  :D ;D :D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Fishy247 on November 14, 2018, 01:37:58 PM
Quote
my reel held one weeks pay check  Grin

That's awesome dude... ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: oc1 on November 14, 2018, 11:48:40 PM
When was the last time anyone fishing for anything needed that much line?  Never in history, I suspect.
-steve


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: nelz on November 15, 2018, 10:26:56 AM
When was the last time anyone fishing for anything needed that much line?  Never in history, I suspect.
-steve

Ya never know when you might hook up to a left-over Megalodon! Hey, everybody thought the Coelacanth was history.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on November 15, 2018, 12:51:46 PM
When was the last time anyone fishing for anything needed that much line?  Never in history, I suspect.
-steve

Ya never know when you might hook up to a left-over Megalodon! Hey, everybody thought the Coelacanth was history.
"tilikum" was on my bucket list,,,like jaws,,but alot bigger,,,,and with a warped sense humor  :o ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on November 16, 2018, 03:06:11 PM
back to basics.  these jigmasters were upgraded with a carbontex drag under the main gear, a stainless steel gear sleeve, and a jigmaster power handle.  i'll load these with straight 30 pound mono and set the drags to 6 pounds.  they should be able to cover 90% of the inshore saltwater fishing that california has to offer!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: steelfish on November 16, 2018, 04:04:19 PM
.......... i'll load these with straight 30 pound mono and set the drags to 6 pounds.  they should be able to cover 90% of the inshore saltwater fishing that california has to offer!

6# drag?

no wonder my abu 6500c3 with 8# drag is my favorite reels for shore fishing and sometimes I use it for inshore too, for inshore I prefer my Komodo 364


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on November 16, 2018, 04:17:14 PM
6 pounds is just a random number because i don't know what kind of fishing he is going to be doing. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on November 16, 2018, 05:36:09 PM



.......... i'll load these with straight 30 pound mono and set the drags to 6 pounds.  they should be able to cover 90% of the inshore saltwater fishing that california has to offer!

6# drag?

no wonder my abu 6500c3 with 8# drag is my favorite reels for shore fishing and sometimes I use it for inshore too, for inshore I prefer my Komodo 364

The Jigmaqster is rated at 17lbs max by Penn, we do a little better here with our upgrades.

Sal


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on November 16, 2018, 05:43:09 PM
yeah, he didn't want to go with braid, just straight 30 pound mono.  that limits the range a little. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on November 16, 2018, 06:13:42 PM
6 pounds is just a random number because i don't know what kind of fishing he is going to be doing. 
I love this tread for what Alan's drag vs line test,,,,,in freshwater light drag 3lb to 6lb the best,,,,you don't want to pull a hook ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on November 27, 2018, 02:09:09 PM
i know it seems like i pick of avet alot, but i can't let this one pass either. here's a 3-speed pro ex/80. look at the numbers - 30 pounds at bait, 50 pounds at strike and 40 pounds in between. this is the maximum drag before losing freespool. the rotor is down in the lowest position and i even changed out the bellevilles to heavier ones. that part is ok, but with 50 pounds at strike, this reel only delivers 55 pounds at full. i was expecting 75 pounds at full. this is all about the drag cam. i can't fix this. well, i already tried with the heavier bellevilles and this was all i got. you all know the 30/50 mantra. yeah, a 30% drag setting at strike, so that would be 50 pounds with a 150 pound topshot. and a 50% drag setting at full, so 75 pounds at full. it's the cam. i can monkey with bellevilles, and i did, but i can't fix the cam. only the manufacturer can. now, this is only one reel. if anyone else out there has this reel and a 100 pound scale, give the reel a tug and tell me what you get. i'd be much happier if i was told that this reel was a fluke, or just defective.

   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: mikeysm on November 27, 2018, 05:55:56 PM
Also I have a pro ex50 3 speed. It should be the same drag .

Mike


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on November 27, 2018, 07:20:55 PM
ok, here's the accurate 50. i've set it up as a "100 pound class" reel. that means 30 pounds at strike. so there are two problems. one, the drag at full is barely 40 pounds. i'm using a 40 pound sticker only because i don't have a sticker that says 37. secondly, from free the drag immediately jumps to 20 pounds. if a fish picks up your bait, you've got to be really careful about not slamming the lever too far forward too quickly or you'll yank that circle hook right out of his mouth. so basically, the cam takes a big jump from free to 20 pounds at bait, then a slow crawl from 20 pounds at bait, to 30 pounds at strike, to 37 pounds at full. ideally, i would like to see a steady even progression from 10 at bait, to 20 to 30 at strike, to 40, to 50 at full for a 100 pound class reel. but then, that's just me.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tightlines666 on November 27, 2018, 07:50:26 PM
It seems to me like there may be a market for modified cams on several reel models that are out there.  Changing the bellevilles can only get you so far.  Some reels allow for more flexability in modifying drag curves by belleville changes while others don't allow for much change here. 

The EX series could use a slightly steeper cam at the high end (above strike), while the Avets TREX, and Accurate twin drag reels may need a more linear (less steep cam initially. 

It takes quite a bit of time to order replacement cams, and try to modify cams to achieve the drag curve you are after for a given reel. 

Your 33% @ strike, 50% @ full of line class is a great rule of thumb, but some of the new smaller reels are being fished accross a wider range of line classes with spectra.  This makes it difficult to create ideal drag curves for all possabilities.  I suspect if tested accross multiple absolute drag settings, you will find a more suitable (30%-50%) curve at a given setting (likely lower than what you want (find ideal) to fish.  I have ran into the oposite problem sometimes too, where 50 class reels have too steep of a curve when fishing straight 50lb mono, or 50class topshots.  Sometimes they are good/more linear from free to strike (0-20b), but jump way too much above strike (like 38-40lb on full). 

It would be nice if we had cam/belleville arrangements available and sorted out for desired topshot line class on different model reels.

80 and 130 class reels which are designed more for straight mono tend to be 'good to go' with stock cam/belleville configs.

It's the 50 and smaller reels that tend to vary significantly from model to model. 

Publishing drag curves for different models us useful to the consumer.

Just my opinion.

John


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: mikeysm on November 27, 2018, 08:01:12 PM
My Avet hx raptor has a choice of two cams. I ordered the more progressive cam and installed it. It seems much more usable than the one it came with.

Mike


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Penn on November 28, 2018, 04:08:15 AM
We are approaching are busiest time of the year.  Last week we received an 80 pc order from Alaska and a 60 pc International order from NJ.  These large orders set us back about 2 weeks! 

tony


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on November 28, 2018, 10:04:47 AM
here is an "old" penn international 30 vsw with 550 yards of 130 pound braid, a 75 yard topshot of 100 pound mono, 30 pounds at strike, 50 pounds of drag at full. this is what i'm talkin' about!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Lunker Larry on November 28, 2018, 12:03:44 PM
Ref the large boxes of Penn reels. They sure know how to treat them with tender loving care .


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on November 28, 2018, 08:41:47 PM
Ref the large boxes of Penn reels. They sure know how to treat them with tender loving care .

   I imagine those reels are being sent to Penn for the only love they have or will see for a while.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: nelz on November 29, 2018, 07:46:33 AM
Ughhh, painful to see, lol.  :'(  Guess they must've taken some damage in transit all bunched up like that.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: handi2 on November 30, 2018, 07:54:56 AM
I usually get them in 5 gallon buckets. When they are finished they are individually bubble wrapped and boxed carefully.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Brendan on November 30, 2018, 07:29:42 PM
Youíre a saint and care more than they do. I hope itís appreciated.
Brendan.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 13, 2018, 02:01:27 PM
https://youtu.be/RT-RIm1CJxk


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 15, 2018, 06:38:46 PM
shimano graphites are still a favorite of mine.  the TR2000 was serviced and loaded with 175 yards of straight 30# mono, the TR1000 was serviced and loaded with 200 yards of straight 20 pound mono, drags set to 30%.  nice reels!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on December 15, 2018, 07:25:52 PM
More great information,,,, :D people have told me how much thay like the international cs ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 15, 2018, 07:33:59 PM
the venerable penn 320 gt2!  another one of my favorites.  i still run four of these.  you do need to address a few issues, though.  one is to shim the line leveler pawl.  for this, i used a teflon dot that i punch from a sheet that is 10 thousandths of an inch thick.  your average milk jug plastic is 20 thousandths of an inch thick, so that should give you an idea.  use a leather hole punch to get the right size.  the other problem is that the pinion gear will rust to the spool shaft.  this is where you need the double screwdriver trick.  if you have one of these reels, pop off the right side plate and lube both bearings and the spool shaft as soon as you can!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on December 15, 2018, 11:30:53 PM
I do love the 320 GTI/2/whatever. Follow Alan's tutorial, get rid of the level wind and you are off. An easy way to get a fast Squidder.
The Man


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 17, 2018, 10:05:27 PM
if you ever come across one of these reels, grab it! they're really nice. 

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_17_12_18_10_56_01_26699387.jpeg)

it's shimano's ocea jigger 5000p. 

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_17_12_18_10_56_05_26701870.jpeg)

it's basically a much tougher version of the old gold trinidad 40.  one of the most important upgrades is the install the dog and spring from the trinidad DC.  to do this, we're going to have to dremel away some metal.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_17_12_18_10_56_08_26703552.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_17_12_18_10_56_06_267012137.jpeg)

this is what the plate looks like after the cuts.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_17_12_18_10_56_12_26704142.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_17_12_18_10_56_12_267041131.jpeg)

the trinidad DC springs go in first.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_17_12_18_10_56_17_267062451.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_17_12_18_10_56_17_26706226.jpeg)

then the trinidad DC dogs.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_17_12_18_10_56_21_267081653.jpeg)

then the covers, screws and the ratchet gear.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_17_12_18_10_56_21_267081723.jpeg)

i installed six massive greased carbon fiber drag washers, repacked the braid, added an 80 pound topshot and cranked the drag down to 25 pounds with no trouble.  actually, i first got 35 pounds of drag and had to back it off.  very nice reel!





Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on December 18, 2018, 04:10:58 AM
Slick work there Alan, love this thread Boss!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: nelz on December 18, 2018, 07:51:06 AM
it's shimano's ocea jigger 5000p.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_17_12_18_10_56_21_267081723.jpeg)

So Alan, did the stock reel have dogs?  If not, what were those little screw-on caps (that are holding down the new dogs) used for before?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 18, 2018, 09:09:39 AM
yes, it had a pair of standard leaf spring dogs. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on December 18, 2018, 09:23:18 AM
Nice design on that reel! Is the platform for the dogs and clutch assembly made of cast aluminum? I would have liked it better if it was made of stainless steel, or even brass.

Thanks for showing us you hard work and upgrades Boss.

Nice reel!

Sal


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 18, 2018, 07:12:04 PM
tekotas, trinidads and toriums.......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 19, 2018, 10:00:22 AM
after about an hour......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 19, 2018, 10:03:44 AM
if you have a line guide with a ceramic insert, you can't use an albright knot for your fluoro to braid connection.  the tag end of the fluoro will stick out and away from the spool.  under a load, that tag end will catch your thumb while casting AND it will catch the ceramic insert and make it pop out.  you have to use a tony pena knot. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on December 19, 2018, 05:05:49 PM
OR go with hollow braid and a spliced top shot - no knots - no big deal ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 20, 2018, 09:11:03 PM
found dad's old penn 12T.  did a full service.  400 yards of 80 pound hollowcore braid, a 50 yard topshot of 50# mono, 12 pounds at strike, 20 pounds at full.  not sure anyone will ever fish with it, but it's ready if we ever decide to use it.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_20_12_18_10_07_28_267241174.jpeg)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_20_12_18_10_07_27_26724423.jpeg)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on December 20, 2018, 10:09:15 PM
What a treasure, Alan!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 20, 2018, 10:33:17 PM
it's possible to shim the spool of the tld 15 as well, though it's not really needed.  the "kit" would be a pair of heavy duty bellevilles from the tld 20/25 or 20/30.  you would also shim the right spool with a combination of washers that have a 12mm outside diameter and a total of 1.85mm to 1.90m thickness. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 20, 2018, 11:21:48 PM
here is the result.

https://youtu.be/EepydV8tHr0


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Christopher M Songer on December 21, 2018, 04:10:40 AM
Wow, just wow!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on December 21, 2018, 04:30:03 AM
Nice!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Newell Nut on December 21, 2018, 09:14:41 AM
That one turned out really nice.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: nelz on December 21, 2018, 02:05:33 PM
here is the result.

Nice song choice. Jackson Browne fan?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 21, 2018, 08:14:15 PM
yup, gotta be in your 60's to even recognize it!  ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on December 21, 2018, 09:25:16 PM
yup, gotta be in your 60's to even recognize it!  ;D

Um, no.
On 2 of my storage devices and comes up on several of my Pandora channels. Definitely love the song, but not as good as 8x10 glossies with red arrows and circles and notes on the back describing the red arrows and circles.

And just to remind you, your old enough to be my Dad.

The Man


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: scrinch on December 21, 2018, 09:30:55 PM
yup, gotta be in your 60's to even recognize it!  ;D
We saw him perform locally about 8 years ago. Strange concert! He stopped for several minutes between songs to pick out the guitar for the next song. He had a rack of about 25 guitars on stage and he would test a half dozen or so between each song before he settled on which to use. Then a couple of times he stopped after playing a few bars of a song, got up, put the guitar back, and searched for a new guitar before starting over. It really broke up the mood and rhythm of the concert!

Still, we love his music!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 22, 2018, 03:19:21 AM
yeah, strange guy, but very talented. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 22, 2018, 03:44:35 AM
I definitely knew the song, but couldn't place it and I'm not 60 for 7 more years. ;)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on December 22, 2018, 07:33:41 AM
I definitely knew the song, but couldn't place it and I'm not 60 for 7 more years. ;)

Hey Hey there a lot to be said for us older guys. But I can't remember what it was :-\ ??? :'(.........................Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Jim Fujitani on December 23, 2018, 09:19:06 AM
released in early 70's, so somebody has to be in their late 50's to have even heard it near release date.

Title is the first three words of the recorded song, "Doctor my eyes..........."


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on December 23, 2018, 12:43:02 PM
Doctor, my eyes have seen the years
And the slow parade of fears without crying
Now I want to understand
I have done all that I could


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on December 23, 2018, 12:47:41 PM
Summer 2010 Glastonbury Festival ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 23, 2018, 09:08:39 PM
took a trip with jay yokomizu on the new huck fin yesterday, got a nice limit of rockfish, had a couple of shots at lingcod but they came unbuttoned, and we all got 10 crabs each. that evening, christina invited her friends over for puerto vallarta yellowfin poke and fresh crab. great kids! when dinner was over, they all pitched in, cleaned up the kitchen and left it spotless!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 23, 2018, 09:13:23 PM
stoplight rigging for the 80 pound braid on this old penn 16s.  i did a full rebuild on it, changed out the old rusty plain steel bellevilles to nice stainless steel ones in a "(())" orientation and got 20 pounds at strike and 30 pounds at full.  it held 500 yards of 80 pound braid and a 50 yard topshot of 60 pound mono.  i would have preferred to rig this sized reel as an 80 pound class rig, but it has a limited drag range since it is a single drag system, not a  double drag like newer reels in it's class.  still, a nice reel!

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1_23_12_18_10_09_09_26741474.jpeg)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on December 24, 2018, 01:31:33 PM
Nice!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 26, 2018, 08:27:22 PM
shimming the spool of the charter special is the last of the graphite shimano lever drag reels.  the right spool bearing is 11mm od and all of my shims are 12mm.  i cut several and found that the 0.5mm thickness shim worked perfectly.  this is after switching the bellvilles and shims out of the left side for thicker bellevilles. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: MarkT on December 26, 2018, 08:40:32 PM
I think I saw Jackson Browne 5 or 6 times.  He went to same high school as my brothers.  On the other hand, I've seen Springsteen at least 30 times including a couple of times in DC, Philly and Denver as well as Orlando, Atlanta, Phoenix, Greensboro, Charlotte, the bay area (Bridge Benefit at the Shoreline Amphitheatre in Mountain View) and every venue he's played in the LA area!  Barefoot girl sitting on the hood of a Dodge drinking a warm beer in the soft summer rain!  Beat that Jackson Browne!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Wally15 on December 27, 2018, 04:31:41 PM
I think I saw Jackson Browne 5 or 6 times.  He went to same high school as my brothers.  On the other hand, I've seen Springsteen at least 30 times including a couple of times in DC, Philly and Denver as well as Orlando, Atlanta, Phoenix, Greensboro, Charlotte, the bay area (Bridge Benefit at the Shoreline Amphitheatre in Mountain View) and every venue he's played in the LA area!  Barefoot girl sitting on the hood of a Dodge drinking a warm beer in the soft summer rain!  Beat that Jackson Browne!
You're the Fish Hog, not the Magic Rat, Mark.
I do like Springsteen. His music and lyrics, but not his politics. Shut up and PLAY! I've seen Jackson Browne once (in the 70's) and Springsteen and E Street once in the early 80's.
Happy New Year, everyone. Gonna be some nice fish caught in 2019.
Mike



Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on December 27, 2018, 05:09:00 PM
Nicely back on topic Boss ;D

Butt just give me the blues over politics any time -Gypsy woman told my mother, before I's born, got a big fish coming, Is gonna be a record breaking one ;)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 27, 2018, 05:36:39 PM
haven't done up one of these in a long time.  it's a topless frame for the charter special that tom makes up custom for me, plus the stainless steel arm and 3/0 grip.  if holds 300 yards of 50 pound daiwa j-braid.  nice inshore reel!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Rivverrat on December 27, 2018, 06:05:36 PM
Oh WOW !   No Shimano fan but that there would make for a nice reel.  Arent these like the TLD'S


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 27, 2018, 07:15:49 PM
the frames for the TR1000 and TR2000 basically turn the charter specials into TLD 5's and 10's. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 27, 2018, 09:52:25 PM
the accurate valiants have been out for a while.  i'm curious to know how well they've held up.  it's a pretty simple design.  it has the same small pair of anti-reverse roller bearings found in the old boss (pre-extreme) two speed reels, the same shielded bearings, the same tiny frame screws and the same tiny gear teeth.  the new thing i see is the open drag system, similar to the avet.  i'm guessing spool bearing failure, AR bearing failure and shredded gears would be pretty common.   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: handi2 on December 28, 2018, 11:05:36 AM
Alan the ones I have been through had rusted pinion, spool, pinion gear, and drag pressure plate rust.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on December 28, 2018, 11:29:19 AM
an old school penn 349!  i changed out the old gear sleeve for a stainless steel one, then put a #6-875 penn ht-100 drag washer under the main gear and five #6-115's inside.  i installed a pair of #6-115's into the main gear, then a keyed metal washer, then two more #6-115's, then a slotted metal washer, then one #6-115 and then the final keyed metal washer.  the main gear has a slight rub against the side plate, but it goes away when the star is clamped down a little.  this is the most economical way to upgrade the drag stack. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: MarkT on December 28, 2018, 03:48:16 PM
Accurate is proud of the ARBís in the Boss Valiants and swear theyíre much better than in the old reels. Iíve had my BV-300 since soon after they came out and my only issue was the drag ramped up too fast and the lever was hard to advance. They put one of the newer cams in and itís been fine.  I have 300 yds of 50# Maxcuatro with a 40# topshot.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 08, 2019, 11:20:30 PM
uggghhhhh!!!!  this is really bad.  i found a box from this last july with a saltiga and a torsa.  the saltiga was tedious but very straight forward.  the torsa as well, very straight forward.  it's interesting how this shimano is so simple, yet so horribly expensive!  i'm going to finish this one next and get it shipped back asap. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 08, 2019, 11:25:10 PM
earlier today i knocked out an old saltist.  these are a great reel and a great price.  it was the accurate atd 50 that took most of the afternoon.  they're not hard. just tedious.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Fishy247 on January 09, 2019, 09:10:46 AM
I serviced a couple of Saltists earlier this year that looked even worse than that. I found that after getting all of the salt out of it, everything was pretty much perfect! No corrosion or pitting and everything operated the way it should. Very good, durable reels!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 09, 2019, 10:06:12 AM
here's an old saltiga 30T.  great reel, just really expensive!  it holds 300 yards of 50 pound daiwa j-braid.  i'll add a 40# topshot and we're done!!!!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on January 09, 2019, 11:48:56 AM
Nice Alan. It's been a busy year so far for me too. I took the day off to help Ruth with shopping and house work. I'm done!

Joe


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 10, 2019, 09:55:14 PM
this one arrived in a body bag......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Frank on January 11, 2019, 04:31:32 AM
the accurate valiants have been out for a while.  i'm curious to know how well they've held up.  it's a pretty simple design.  it has the same small pair of anti-reverse roller bearings found in the old boss (pre-extreme) two speed reels, the same shielded bearings, the same tiny frame screws and the same tiny gear teeth.  the new thing i see is the open drag system, similar to the avet.  i'm guessing spool bearing failure, AR bearing failure and shredded gears would be pretty common.   :-\

Good morning Alan and Handi,

Should I take your observations to mean a thumbs down on the Valiants? If so what Accurate reel would you recommend?

Frank


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on January 11, 2019, 04:38:12 AM
this one arrived in a body bag......




Booooooo......but worthy of your attention!!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 11, 2019, 08:53:24 AM
done!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on January 11, 2019, 08:59:07 AM
You have my address :)


6500 received; I'll take them all day like that to fish with at $30! My fav LMB reel is the 5500C of the same vintage and bluish plates; about 1973 I believe. Thanks!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 11, 2019, 09:04:59 AM
this one is going home to texas!   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on January 11, 2019, 09:21:26 AM
Nice job Boss! any comments on that 990?...how do you feel about them?


Sal


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on January 11, 2019, 11:05:30 AM
Nice transformation!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 11, 2019, 11:22:45 AM
Nice job Boss! any comments on that 990?...how do you feel about them?


Sal

nice reels, big drags, i just worry about the spool a little.  i'd hate to see it blow under too much load.  it holds 300 yards of 30 pound test and i set to drag to 6 pounds.  hopefully there won't be a problem. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: handi2 on January 11, 2019, 01:54:56 PM
the accurate valiants have been out for a while.  i'm curious to know how well they've held up.  it's a pretty simple design.  it has the same small pair of anti-reverse roller bearings found in the old boss (pre-extreme) two speed reels, the same shielded bearings, the same tiny frame screws and the same tiny gear teeth.  the new thing i see is the open drag system, similar to the avet.  i'm guessing spool bearing failure, AR bearing failure and shredded gears would be pretty common.   :-\

Good morning Alan and Handi,

Should I take your observations to mean a thumbs down on the Valiants? If so what Accurate reel would you recommend?

Frank

I like them a lot. Small powerful reels. Just take care of them.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: nelz on January 11, 2019, 05:21:59 PM
i just worry about the spool a little.  i'd hate to see it blow under too much load.

I've never seen one of these, I assumed the spool was pretty much like a Jigmaster 500. Not the case?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on January 11, 2019, 05:34:11 PM
Not to disagree with the Boss, in my opinion,  this particular spool is actually stronger than the Jigmaster.
I've seen the anodizing fail on some, but that could have been from poor maintenance.
The spool shaft is also beefier, it is actually the same diameter as the 6/0.
These reels are overbuilt.

Sal


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 11, 2019, 06:24:40 PM
Not to disagree with the Boss, in my opinion,  this particular spool is actually stronger than the Jigmaster.
I've seen the anodizing fail on some, but that could have been from poor maintenance.
The spool shaft is also beefier, it is actually the same diameter as the 6/0.
These reels are overbuilt.

Sal

oh, no, the spool should be fine under normal use.  it's just that, if there ever was a problem, you'd never be able to replace it.  most parts on the reel are at zero risk of damage.  there are a few parts that can be replaced even if they are, but the spool is just not one of those! 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on January 11, 2019, 08:29:57 PM
Not to disagree with the Boss, in my opinion,  this particular spool is actually stronger than the Jigmaster.
I've seen the anodizing fail on some, but that could have been from poor maintenance.
The spool shaft is also beefier, it is actually the same diameter as the 6/0.
These reels are overbuilt.

Sal

oh, no, the spool should be fine under normal use.  it's just that, if there ever was a problem, you'd never be able to replace it.  most parts on the reel are at zero risk of damage.  there are a few parts that can be replaced even if they are, but the spool is just not one of those! 
Oh, I should have known thatís what you meant, Boss and that is a valid argument.
Parts for these are getting very hard to find, I could probably help the first 2 dozen, but they would need to purchase the complete reel or the rest would be worthless🙂.

Sal


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on January 12, 2019, 03:22:41 PM
I bought mine as close-out in 1995 for $57 NIB....I'd have taken a pallet load if they had them....


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 14, 2019, 11:02:16 PM
a little tedious to work on, but it's a great little reel!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 22, 2019, 10:47:19 AM
it's a mess inside.....


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on January 22, 2019, 11:10:03 AM
Pro EX/2?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 22, 2019, 02:20:15 PM
yup.......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 23, 2019, 10:01:44 PM
just finished going through a penn 20 visx. very nice reel. i cracked it open and cleaned out some of the excess grease, opened up and relubed the spool bearings, greased the drags with cal's grease and rigged it up. it held a total of 600 yards of 100 pound jb hollow. the spool was first scrubbed with a lightly greased toothbrush, then i wrapped a couple of layers of flex wrap around the arbor and set the line tension to 20 pounds, which is two thirds of the strike drag. it was rigged in 100 yard sections - red, yellow, green, white, blue and white. then i added a 25 yard topshot of 100 pound seaguar pink fluoro. here's where it gets interesting. i set the drag to 50 pounds (or 50% of the line weight) at full, then checked the drag at different settings. full, of course, was 50 pounds, the number 4 position was 40 pounds, the number three position was 30 pounds, number 2 was 20 pounds, and the number 1 position was 10 pounds. yes, the drag curve was perfect. only this reel and the okuma makaira will give you a drag curve like this. penn, well done!!!!! oh, and ray, your reel is ready.......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on January 24, 2019, 02:13:02 AM
Forgive my stupidity, Boss. Don't all reels do that? or is this the case of having it in-sync with the numbers on the plate?

Another word, couldn't I mark my own and be just as effective on any reel?


Sal


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 24, 2019, 10:54:14 AM
unfortunately, the cam designs are all over the board.  many ramp up too fast and then go flat.  you get too much drag at the beginning and yank the hook out of the fish's mouth.  and then at the end, you go from 30% at strike to maybe 37% instead of 50% and you can't lift him.  it's a big problem that i never understood until i started looking at the entire drag range. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on January 24, 2019, 01:28:31 PM
unfortunately, the cam designs are all over the board.  many ramp up too fast and then go flat.  you get too much drag at the beginning and yank the hook out of the fish's mouth.  and then at the end, you go from 30% at strike to maybe 37% instead of 50% and you can't lift him.  it's a big problem that i never understood until i started looking at the entire drag range. 
I was not aware it would be that much off. could those that are all over the place be fine tuned, or is it just a bad design?


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: redsetta on January 24, 2019, 03:10:02 PM
I've always struggled with International 50SW IIs and their 'unusual' cam ramp up (there seem to be lots in NZ).
I generally load these with about 950yds of 50lb mono.
Setting 'Full' at 25lbs (ie 50%) gives a strike in the single figures.
Setting 'Strike' at ~17lbs (ie 30%) ramps up to 25lbs (50%) just on the other side of the strike button, then 50lbs+ (100%+) at full.
I've tried belleville replacement, configuration changes, shimming etc, but there's no changing the underlying cam shape.
I've heard Cal can fix the drag curve on these reels, but I assume he's reshaping the cam?
Cheers, Justin


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 24, 2019, 04:15:01 PM
all you do is cut the ramp.  it's just that there has never been a standard.  no one has ever said with loud enough voice, "this is what i want."


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on January 24, 2019, 10:02:42 PM
these four reels were dropped off in july of last year.  they are finally done.   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: nelz on January 25, 2019, 08:01:52 AM
all you do is cut the ramp.  it's just that there has never been a standard.  no one has ever said with loud enough voice, "this is what i want."

Then there's that Shimano that you can buy different cams for depending on your needs. Torsa I think it's called? VERY expensive reel though.  :o


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on January 25, 2019, 08:52:11 PM
Wow!
I wasn't sure if those were actually reels for service or donated! :)

The Man


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on February 17, 2019, 08:47:03 AM
these were started on monday and finally finished on friday.  yup, five solid days for just these few reels.  getting these newells to work right can really be tough. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on February 17, 2019, 08:56:20 AM
Wow Alan, what a spread. they belong to one person?

Sal


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on February 17, 2019, 09:28:50 AM
It's a Newell convention, and it looks reel pretty!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on February 17, 2019, 09:48:20 AM
yeah, local charter boat guy.  i tried to explain to him that these were too expensive to let customers fish with. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on February 20, 2019, 09:52:21 PM
cracked open a box that has been sitting for months.  the reels are in good shape, but this is still going to be ugly.  and i now officially had shimano tekotas.........   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on February 20, 2019, 10:14:50 PM
I don't know how you do it Alan.
If I opened that box to see that, I would just say "Hell No!"
I'm not retired, but I don't plan on doing that when I do.
This is a reel repair site where you learn to fix reels.
Not send them to you. ::)
JMO


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on March 19, 2019, 05:33:05 PM
a 113hn penn baja special, spool bearings opened up, cleaned out and lube with TSI 301 for 60 seconds of freespool!

https://youtu.be/wvefvdfvvVU


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: nelz on March 19, 2019, 10:00:33 PM
Hey, where's the Jackson Browne music?  ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on April 06, 2019, 01:43:44 PM
nobody's perfect......   :-\


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 06, 2019, 03:34:14 PM
That's some tight work there on the Baja, Boss Man!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on April 06, 2019, 04:03:29 PM
yeah, too bad the frame is on backwards.....   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 06, 2019, 05:19:47 PM
yeah, too bad the frame is on backwards.....   ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on April 07, 2019, 11:13:13 PM
ok, finished all of them.  the first is our penn 16s with the frame on straight.  it's loaded with 600 yards of 60 pound hollow (because it already had 450 yards) and a 50 yard topshot of 60 pound mono.  i was able to get 20 pounds at strike and 25 pounds at full.  not what i would normally want from a 60 pound line class reel, but it will work well enough.  it got a full service and a signature handle.  the original handle was starting to corrode. 

(https://alantani.com/gallery/27/1_07_04_19_11_52_42_275512155.jpeg)

the second is another old school penn international, the 50s.  i pulled 500 yards of 130 pound solid braid off of the accurate and packed it onto the 50s, then added 130 yards of 80 pound mono.  after a full service and a handle upgrade, i set the drag to 25 pounds at strike and was pleased to find 40 pounds of drag at full.  i would normally never fish this reel with such a light topshot. 

(https://alantani.com/gallery/27/1_07_04_19_11_52_48_27554121.jpeg)

third is a really beautiful accurate 50 wide.  i pulled off the original 130 pound solid braid and the spooled on 600 yards of 130 pound hollow, then 100 yards of 200 pound hollow, then a 100 yard topshot of  100 pound mono.  setting the drag to 30 pounds of drag at strike gave me a corresponding 45 pounds a full. 

(https://alantani.com/gallery/27/1_07_04_19_11_52_53_275551245.jpeg)

and lastly, a 75th anniversary 50vs wide.  this reel was loaded with 800 yards of 200 pound hollow, then a 25 yard topshot of 130 pound mono.  40 pounds of drag at strike gave me a disappointing 50 pounds of drag at full, but that is the way that this particular reel was designed.  it was never intended to deliver the extended drag range of the newer reels. 

(https://alantani.com/gallery/27/1_07_04_19_11_53_01_27557176.jpeg)

none of these reels have the drag curve that i would look for, but they will definitely catch fish.  cindy, your reels are ready. 


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Alto Mare on April 08, 2019, 01:57:59 AM
yeah, too bad the frame is on backwards.....   ;D
I see it also happens to the very best...You are normal after all ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Reel 224 on April 08, 2019, 05:34:56 AM
Sal: I have been dyslexic and get things mixed up at times so I say what the heck..........do it again! Since the stroke four (4) years ago I need a great grammar check and Ruth ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D if she is available. 

eoJ  Joe  ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on April 21, 2019, 01:49:12 PM
Taking a break from reels this afternoon to tie up a hundred shrimp fly rigs. I'm part of a group called Discover Angling. it's a non-profit that takes kids out fishing. We typically go out on the Hulicat with Tom Mattusch and Mike Michael Cabanas. Our trip is scheduled for this Tuesday and the weather looks spectacular! We have 20 rods already set up, all the shrimp flies, weights, bait and lunch. We just need the kids to show up on time! Thanks also to out local Fisherman's Warehouse for the price break on the terminal tackle. Going rockcod fishing on Tuesday!!!!!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on April 21, 2019, 02:06:58 PM
Hook a fish and hand them the pole,,,,, :o hope  you get a bunch,,,,what your do is really cool !!!!!! ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on April 22, 2019, 08:01:23 AM
i love working on charter boat reels!!!!   ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: mo65 on April 22, 2019, 08:31:43 AM
i love working on charter boat reels!!!!   ;D

   They always good 'n' fonky...HA! ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on April 22, 2019, 09:22:43 AM
Yuk!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Donnyboat on April 23, 2019, 12:19:02 AM
Lucky to get all the screws to undo, good work Boss, cheers Don.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on April 24, 2019, 02:40:13 PM
omg......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 24, 2019, 05:02:04 PM
Yikes, good luck Boss!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: oc1 on April 24, 2019, 10:28:53 PM
http://www.seahawksportfishing.com/ (http://www.seahawksportfishing.com/)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Lunker Larry on April 25, 2019, 09:30:08 AM
Ah, the tender loving care some take.

had a beauty on the bench the other day. It was lubed with silver anti seize. What a mess and that stuff is made to stay on, not for easy cleaning.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Hardy Boy on April 25, 2019, 10:03:25 AM
I've had reels come in a milk crate, just thrown in there to, filled to the top and bouncing around in the back of a pick up. One time a guy came to my door and asked if I could fix his reel I said I could look at it, he held out a cap with all of the parts loose inside ........................ he said that he tried to fix it himself !!


Cheers:

Todd


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on April 25, 2019, 10:12:45 AM
Ah, the tender loving care some take.

had a beauty on the bench the other day. It was lubed with silver anti seize. What a mess and that stuff is made to stay on, not for easy cleaning.

Bet it was easy to take apart though!
The Man


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: thorhammer on April 25, 2019, 10:17:49 AM
you need the ultrasonic cleaner, Boss. i chuck everything that looks like that sans drags into the bath at 75C for an hour, then hose it off in a strainer basket and back together in 30 minutes. For star drags :)


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on April 25, 2019, 05:30:34 PM
box #1 is done!  well, except for the two reels that are awaiting parts.  even strung with new line!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: MarkT on April 25, 2019, 06:09:34 PM
I was going to say ďget to work, you slackerĒ but it looks like Iím to late!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: nelz on April 25, 2019, 06:37:59 PM
Nice collection of lubricants in the background.  ;)

Love those Luna's too, one of my favorite reels.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on April 25, 2019, 08:44:21 PM
omg, part 2......


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Shark Hunter on April 25, 2019, 10:30:19 PM
No OMG's for me.
You gave me a good chuckle Boss.
I don't know how you do it.
I'm not dealing with Disaster on a scale like that.
Maybe one here or there.


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 04, 2019, 08:57:20 PM
glad i'm repacking the braid.  this is the type of knot that will cost you a fish!


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Ron Jones on May 04, 2019, 08:58:58 PM
What is the camouflage hiding the reel from?
The Man


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: alantani on May 20, 2019, 01:47:09 PM
https://youtu.be/tIfJ0e31cCo


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: Benni3 on May 20, 2019, 06:42:20 PM
Great save on the knot,,,,, ;) it's always important,,,,,, ;D


Title: Re: what's coming off the bench......
Post by: oc1 on May 20, 2019, 11:36:22 PM
I was counting along with you and started getting really nervous before reaching 20 seconds.  Nice trick.
-steve