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Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Zebco => Topic started by: Shark Hunter on June 05, 2018, 05:12:55 AM

Title: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 05, 2018, 05:12:55 AM
I've purchased my newest spinning reel.
A Quantum Cabo 120. This reel means business.
I'm gearing up for a new way to surf fish.
This reel puts out 65lbs of drag.
Alan Hawk rates it as his #4 finest offshore reel of all time. The three above are the Okuma Makaira, The Stella and the Accurate twin spin.
Those reels are three times the price.
For $250, I'll take the chance.
My Birthday is in a few days.
Happy Birthday to me. ;)
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: xjchad on June 05, 2018, 05:40:58 AM
Nice Daron!
You gonna open her up?
What are you going to load it with?
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: mo65 on June 05, 2018, 01:23:33 PM
   Fishermen who really know fishing know Zebco has always and continues to produce some of the finest gear available. And like this reel...often at a better price...great buy Daron! 8)
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 05, 2018, 01:48:02 PM
Quote from: xjchad on June 05, 2018, 05:40:58 AM
Nice Daron!
You gonna open her up?
What are you going to load it with?
Yes Chad,
I'm going to open it up, but I kind of already know what to expect.
http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/cbo14.html
I'm going to load it with 8 strand 100lb braid
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: thorhammer on June 05, 2018, 02:02:12 PM
either use a mono shock leader or finger cot  / tape wrap when casting, or that braid can slip and cut you right in the joint....I have one right now and that was throwing poppers, not even heavy metal with a sashimi payload....
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: CapeFish on June 05, 2018, 02:13:54 PM
or get a bionic or use a casting glove
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: steelfish on June 05, 2018, 04:09:01 PM
beatiful reel Daron, seems like you did some homework before getting the reel.

is it that the line that is going in the ree?
dont want to be harsh but if that reel is the #4 on quality it deserves a line along those positions like
spiderwire, powerpro, Jerry Brown, Daiwa samurai, suffix, etc, plenty of good ones out there.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: handi2 on June 05, 2018, 04:13:36 PM
Daron ive used the Cabo 80 offshore for many years. You cant beat them.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 05, 2018, 08:23:46 PM
Alex,
Kastking is decent Braid. I've used it before.
https://youtu.be/hDUhzdeyXfU
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Reel 224 on June 05, 2018, 09:11:43 PM
Daren; that's a big drag load on a spinner, I've not known about that kind of reel. I have learned something today and something else from Kast Pro too.
Thanks for the post.

Joe
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: STRIPER LOU on June 05, 2018, 09:55:17 PM
That's a beast of a spinner Mr. D!

Zebco does a great job and is the parent company of Fin-Nor. The shop has been selling quite a few Fin-Nor spinning and conventional reels for 3 or 4 years now. I'll get them back for regular service but have never had to replace parts on any of them so far.

The conventional reels tend to be a bit on the heavy side but built like tanks. I have a 2 speed that I love to fish with.

Kastking is great, but everyone is asking for 8 strand, Diawa J braid now.

Hope you do well with it from the beach and I'm ready to see some pic's of the big dog's caught with this new reel!

Regard's,  ..  Lou
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: steelfish on June 05, 2018, 11:12:05 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on June 05, 2018, 08:23:46 PM
Alex,
Kastking is decent Braid. I've used it before.

dont get me wrong amigo caza-tiburones, I currently have kastking on some of my backup reels or loaners and also recomend that line to friends that really want something not expensive but with nice quality, Kastking is king, as I said you did your homework.

I slowly been changing the line on my bakup reels for J-braid as my budget fishing line and keep hollow JB from Lee on my goto reels

nice video by the way, its always good to know budget brands that offer nice quality.

Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 06, 2018, 04:22:40 AM
I hear you compadre, but my take on braid line is this.
I really don't like using it at all, but I can't in reality spool up a spinning reel with 100lb mono.
If I get broke off on 100lb 8 strand braid, I really don't think it is going to matter who made it.
It is still going to pop if another shark swims into it, the shark that is on wraps up in it, or it gets abraded on the bar by shells or some other obstacle between me and the hooked fish.
I am not afraid of spending money, but I think this is the right tool for the job. ;)
amigo caza-tiburones!
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Jeri on June 06, 2018, 03:01:41 PM
Hi Darren,

You've bought the right reel for the job, a good number of our local guys have been using them for sharks and cast baits from the shore, and never had a problem with them. We sell the entire Cabo range in our shop, and very rarely have to order spares, they are that well built and certainly stronger than a lot of other reels.

If your casting 100lb braid straight off the reel, I would certainly look to fit your rod out with a Breakaway Canon Clip, one of the best inventions for casting braid and heavy baits, and saves a lot of sore fingers. Ignore the Breakaway USA video when they mention wrapping the line 3 times round the capstan, just once gives a much smoother casting release, especially if you lock the drag before casting - then just stick in the power!!!

Great reels - got the 60 & 80, been using them for the last 4 years, and no problems, one of my wife's team mates uses an 80 regularly for Bronzies and 50lb braid.

Cheers from sunny Africa

Jeri
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 08, 2018, 05:46:00 AM
I am somewhat experienced with casting Braid.
I know not to let it fall in the joint of my finger and keep it on top.
I have been casting spinners since I was knee high to a grasshopper.
Just not on this scale.
I don't have Mason Hands, but they are tough enough that it won't cut me if I watch what I'm doing.
The four strand will cut you quick if you aren't paying attention.
Just ask My Boy Mike.
I need my hands free of any tape or finger glove.
When a Shark is on, I need to put on the real gloves.
I wasn't going to show this, but I got a good tail slap from a Black tip on my Belly while trying to muscle him a few weeks ago.
When they open their mouth, it looks like a thousand razor sharp teeth in there.
I was concentrated on the toothy end and he got me. I did not let go, because he was thrashing.
A solid tail slap from a Feisty Black Tip is like a punch to the chest.
He taught me a lesson that won't happen again. ;)

Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: CapeFish on June 08, 2018, 07:45:26 AM
If you want to throw heavy baits and sinkers  its not a bad idea to get something to hold the line unless you have buffalo leather for skin and the strength of a vice grip. If you can do that its fine, otherwise chances are you will end up with 30m lobs for casts. I find I can do 2oz max with just my finger and still manage long casts, with heavier weights I cant manage without a casting glove (really just a single finger guard with leather tip) and above 4oz squarely in the territory of a bionic finger for me. Multipliers don't have any of those issues though  :)
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Swami805 on June 08, 2018, 11:53:26 AM
Line cuts aren't fun, You'll get used to a few wraps of that tape in no time and won't know it's there. After a few hours of wet hands even alligator shin gets soft. That sucker will never heal the whole trip and get junk in it. I'll send you a roll,don't leave home without it.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: xjchad on June 11, 2018, 09:13:46 PM
I throw 8 oz. sputniks with a big chunk of bait and love my Breakaway Cannons! No braid cuts for me!
http://www.breakawaytackleusa.com/products/accessories/cannon/

I've been tail slapped by an angry sevegill, it doesn't feel good  :D
(https://i.imgur.com/hUGKNII.jpg)
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 11, 2018, 11:47:29 PM
Ok,
Break away cannon coming up.
I do have some 6 and 8 oz Sputniks to try out.
I guess cause these reels are so Honkin' Big, I better get the big one.
These two are going to look Great on My New Surf Rods.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: sabaman1 on June 12, 2018, 01:52:29 AM
Great choice on the Cabo Daron, I have the 50 and 80 versions, they cast great and are very strong. I've caught many Tuna and Dorado on mine, largest Dorado being over 28lbs and Tuna up over 20lbs. West coast fisherman laugh at spinners, but I am the one laughing when I show them the fish I catch on them paired with a 7' 2" Shimano Terez MH rod.Hoping you catch some Big ones. Tight Lines to you!!!
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Aiala on June 12, 2018, 03:03:20 PM
Quote from: sabaman1 on June 12, 2018, 01:52:29 AM
West coast fisherman laugh at spinners...

Not all of us! Years ago aboard POLARIS SUPREME I dispatched a 50-lb YFT with a Penn 750SS on a classic Fenwick... Epic!

Old school rules!  :D  8)

~A~
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Porthos on June 12, 2018, 11:26:17 PM
Hey Daron,

I've started using hollow core connections for my 100lb solid braid to 100lb mono to avoid a knot bumping into the guides when casting my LT100. With a 7' rod, I have three rod lengths of mono so that in casting position it's the mono that's sitting on the index finger...thus eliminating the need for a Breakaway Cannon. Once the mono section clears the tip then it's as if I've casted with straight braid... there's only a small loss in casting distance.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: handi2 on June 12, 2018, 11:54:20 PM
You wont be disappointed with any of the Quantum reels. I really like their parts ordering at Tackleservice.com. The parts and bearings are at amazingly low prices.

Daron I just got my Splash Drone 3 today. It has the 4K camera and also the fishing package. It will hold 1kg/2lbs of weight with a release. You can fly the bait up to 500m away from shore, drop it, and fly back.

Its waterproof, can take pictures underwater, and fly right back.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: sabaman1 on June 13, 2018, 12:15:02 AM
Quote from: handi2 on June 12, 2018, 11:54:20 PM
You wont be disappointed with any of the Quantum reels. I really like their parts ordering at Tackleservice.com. The parts and bearings are at amazingly low prices.

Daron I just got my Splash Drone 3 today. It has the 4K camera and also the fishing package. It will hold 1kg/2lbs of weight with a release. You can fly the bait up to 500m away from shore, drop it, and fly back.

Its waterproof, can take pictures underwater, and fly right back.
Keith out here in California that would be great to be able to drop your bait or lure on a big school of finicky bluefin tuna with a drone. We have been having a phenomenon of huge bluefin off our coast for the last 5 years, but they rarely come close enough to your boat to present an offering.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 13, 2018, 01:25:28 AM
Keith,
I just watched multiple Videos of that Drone.
When I come down in September.
I want a presentation.
I guess technology has evolved enough to fly something that heavy out to Sea.
2.5 lbs is a lot for a drone. I worry about the line drag taking it out.
My Claw weights are usually a pound. I could scale that back to 8 oz and Maybe a half a Bonito or a chunk of ray.
Set it on auto pilot and drink a cold one while my bait is being deployed. ;)
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: thorhammer on June 13, 2018, 01:30:07 AM
youre gonna put Robin out of a job???
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 13, 2018, 09:02:17 AM
I'm sure he won't complain. ;)
Opened one of these up yesterday.
Right off the bat, I couldn't figure out how to get the side plate off. The 100 and 120 have a different side plate.
You have to loosen the rotor nut to slide it up just enough to get the case off.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 18, 2018, 08:43:05 PM
A Giant Stainless gear in there!
Reel looks well built. I was disappointed when I took one of the bearing shields off.
Left one shield off and packed them with grease.
Was going to check out the drag stack, but My boys came over bearing gifts. ;)
Time to fire up the grill and drink a few cold ones.
Maybe next weekend.
I wanted to post this, because I couldn't find a tutorial on this reel anywhere.
The trickiest part of reassembly is fitting the tag end of a spring that is on the main gear in the back up anti reverse dog.
You can see the slot in the dog in the first pic and the spring on the main gear in the second.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 08, 2018, 04:33:40 PM
I lightly greased the stack before putting line on.
7 stack on top with keyed metals and a Big Dura Drag type on the bottom.
The carbon washers on top felt pretty flimsy. I was surprised that they are .55.
The Big Drag Washer is 1.0mm.
Hopefully this reel will be put to the test on my next trip.
400 yards of 100lb braid on a 12' Ocean Master Rod.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: mo65 on July 08, 2018, 04:58:14 PM
Fantastic looking reel Daron...thanks for the peek inside! 8)
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 11, 2018, 03:17:00 AM
Serviced, Spooled, Paired with a 12' Ocean Master.
This rod is sold out everywhere.
Hopefully it lives up to its name.
Very impressed with the line lay.
460 yards of 100 lb Kastking Braid.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: xjchad on July 11, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
I'm pretty stuck on my Penn gear, but that is a sweet setup and I can't wait to see your reports Daron!  8) 8)
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Jeri on July 12, 2018, 06:54:20 AM
Not familiar with the rod, but with the big Cabos, the guys here regularly bring in Bronzies over 150-200lbs without any drama. If you do too much casting, then a Breakaway Canon is going to be a god send, just for the sake of your finger tips, and pushing extreme power through the cast.

Nice set up.  :D

Cheers from sunny Africa
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 25, 2018, 06:27:31 AM
My trip is closing and I have made more than enough casting rigs.
I have straight cable rigs. Cable rigs with mono sliding trace and I am making some more with #12 wire and a sliding trace of 100lb mono.
I spooled up a Daiwa BG 8000 with 450 yards of 80 lb braid last night.
It is beyond tight. The line lay was exceptional for a $100 reel.
This reel just feels good in the hands. Super smooth. ;)
It doesn't have the capability of the Cabo, but I think it is worthy.
The New BG's have a following. I will be using the BG 8000 on a 10 footer and the Cabo 120 on the 12 footer.
I will have back up reels of each and a 9500ss and Battle 8000 in the line up as well.
I'm going full surf on this trip.
Hopefully plenty of Black tips and Bull Reds will cooperate.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: thorhammer on July 25, 2018, 11:52:16 AM
Good luck, brah.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 10, 2018, 01:54:23 AM
This rod is a Davis.
Low end, but I have had very good luck with them.
This rod is heavy!
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Benni3 on September 10, 2018, 02:16:44 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on September 10, 2018, 01:54:23 AM
This rod is a Davis.
Low end, but I have had very good luck with them.
This rod is heavy!
that's a very nice set up,,,,,it's what you need to get the job done and that looks like a fantastic set up for cats and stripers
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: steelfish on September 12, 2018, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on September 10, 2018, 01:54:23 AM
This rod is a Davis.
Low end, but I have had very good luck with them.
This rod is heavy!

the rod materials looks good, but the rear grip handle seems kind of short for a good technique on long casts, it would be golden if you can have a rodsmith to add 1ft or 1.5ft on the rear grip.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Decker on September 12, 2018, 05:59:57 PM
Quote from: steelfish on September 12, 2018, 05:46:49 PM
the rear grip handle seems kind of short for a good technique on long casts, it would be golden if you can have a rodsmith to add 1ft or 1.5ft on the rear grip.

x2  I don't know why the factory rods all have such short butt sections.  Probably a cost consideration.  That length between the reel seat and the butt is where your casting leverage comes from.  I used an aluminum ski pole to extend the butt of a vintage daiwa surf rod, and I love it.  Powerful casting, and better balance at the reel.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 12, 2018, 07:54:40 PM
Davis only makes two spinning rod models. I'm guessing they did it like this for the rod gimbal under the cap.
If you use a belt and it had a long handle. It would be too far away from you to get leverage and reel at the same time.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Decker on September 12, 2018, 08:07:48 PM
Makes sense for a fighting belt; didn't think of that.   
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 15, 2018, 08:11:58 AM
Will post a pic later, but just got another one, just a Boca 120 instead of a Cabo.
Looks to be the same reel, just black in color.
These reels are discontinued now and parts will no longer be available.
I have three gear sets and six reels.
These reels retailed for around $250. They can be had for half.
Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: CapeFish on November 15, 2018, 08:57:31 AM
Quote from: steelfish on September 12, 2018, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on September 10, 2018, 01:54:23 AM
This rod is a Davis.
Low end, but I have had very good luck with them.
This rod is heavy!

the rod materials looks good, but the rear grip handle seems kind of short for a good technique on long casts, it would be golden if you can have a rodsmith to add 1ft or 1.5ft on the rear grip.

solve that problem by having a short but and the reel at the bottom. You can pack a very powerful cast that way (most distance casters use the reel at the bottom) and then use a fighting belt with the rod. For casting heavy weights and baits and fighting big fish reel at the bottom works like a charm.

See here for some examples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e19YIjXtBjI

Title: Re: Different Kind of Zebco
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 16, 2018, 07:06:56 AM
Thanks for the Video.
Pretty Cool.
Some day I will get to spend all my days Shark fishing.
Here is the Cabo and Boca 120.
Nice reels that will serve me well. Discontinued or not. ;)