Dont have a line winder for spooling your braid ? Tackle shop closed ? This method does a passable job of this & is brain dead simple.
Here I start with the method I use for tying braid to spool. I'll expain more later.
Most have plates of weights some where.
....& start cranking. Using this method can reveal' in a dramatic way, the weakest link in your equipment. Being you & possibly your level of fitness ;D ... Jeff
OK back to this.
Start by wrapping braid three times around arbor. Finishing with a non slipping knot tha cinches down tight leaving a long tag end.
You will wind over the tag end pinching it in place against the arbor with successive wraps as you wind on the braid under pressure.
Please dont be a Hard Head replying here this wont work when you've never tried it. There are obvious benefits to this vs using tape.
Been doing this for a few years "NEVER" had braid slip when I first tested it or fishing this method using more than 25 lbs. of drag
Now if you have given this an honest shot, it didnt work... well by all means please make mention of it & lets look into it... Jeff
I have also used the "Jerry Brown" method for years when winding braid onto the spool with 100% positive results. No tape and a long tag with some wraps over it.
Scott
Yup, as best I can tell Jerry Brown is the first of any noteriety that put this method forward... Jeff
Yup - That's what I have been using for a few years, never had it slip :)
Nice, with the dumbell weights. I been wearin out the drag washers on my 114HLW( mounted on a beater rod, then clamped to the table) and you still gotta first wind it onto the 114 with that slow gear ratio...
Greg, youve got the bench mark braid spooler.
Do you just have a shop spool the 114 ?
If not how do spool the braid on it tight ?
Just squeeze the line from the spool and get maybe 2lbs. winding pressure onto the HLW. Then I can set the drag on it to bout 4-7lbs. works pretty good, usually no binding.
Thanks for the explanation.
That would work well for lighter lines. But spooling 60 - 80
I like to have the same or close to the same resistance as ny drag setting.
In most cases 10 - 15 lbs. seems to work. Ive found higher packs more line... Jeff
cool idea Jeff
I will do it next time Im spooling a reel with new line
my current method is to spool the new line into a sealine 900h (which is huge), put the sealine reel in on a beater rod add some drag with the star, secure the rod on a patio metal tube/fence and then spool it on the desigated reel mounted on a rod and cranking as fighting a fish ;D ;D .. too much work but it works good packing the line tight, its like playing a Nintendo game in 3D ;D ;D :D
Will this work for smooth spools too?
I mean leave an inch or so tag and wind over that?
I have been putting waterproof tape on first on smooth spools.
Yes it will work with smooth spools. It has to be wound on tight when crossing over the tag end. I started doing it this way about one year ago. I have it tied like this on my Tiagra's and they dont slip.
Glad to see some folks here using this method of tying braid to the arbor of the spool.
Ive had more people give the " Your Crazy " look after explaining it.
The thing I am most perplexed by is those who wont "EVER" try it. Because they just know it wont work... Jeff
Keith, Jeff,
Danke, time to load some braid for pier fishing in Gulf Shores.
I used the same meathod to secure to the arbor but I use a fathom master bolted to a baby gate. Place a cordless drill with a socket fitted to the handle nut to wind onto the fathom master, then set my desired drag and crank onto the reel.
Quote from: cwillis85 on July 04, 2018, 01:49:10 PM
I used the same meathod to secure to the arbor but I use a fathom master bolted to a baby gate. Place a cordless drill with a socket fitted to the handle nut to wind onto the fathom master, then set my desired drag and crank onto the reel.
Here we go ! The use of a cordless dril.
I knew if a enough people participated we would start seeing some good & better ideas.
One them things that causes me think
" Now Why Didnt I Think Of That "
Thanks for this Chris... Jeff
Quote from: Gobi King on July 04, 2018, 11:56:11 AM
Keith, Jeff,
Danke, time to load some braid for pier fishing in Gulf Shores.
Just be sure you to get wound on tight over tag of your
Knot. Let us know how it goes... Jeff
It worked,
I loaded 40 lb braid on to daiwa legalis 4000,
I was able hang 12 lb weight without drag or spool slipping. I was not able to turn the handle on the daiwa though, so I am not sure how they advertise a 24 lb max drag on these.
I've been using an home built line spooler for a while now. My findings are simple - take em or leave em - MORE than 10lbs (sometimes even 8lbs) of drag - just ain't worth it. I have never found it winds on more line. My simple theory (and I'm always open to correction ;)) once you have taken out the initial stretch of braid there is nothing to be gained by applying more drag.
I have re-spooled between 10 and 20 lb of drag with no difference in line capacity :-\ So why bother with more than 10lb drag - it sure makes life easier :)
Just my 2 cents.
Got to admit what I said about getting more braid on a spool with tension above 10 lbs. Is something that was repeated to me so often I had just come to believe it.
Ive done zero verifiable test of any kind that show its true or false.
.... & now I must say your post has me questioning this.
Which is a good thing!
Thanks For That Chris... Jeff
Quote from: Gobi King on July 05, 2018, 08:43:37 PM
It worked,
I loaded 40 lb braid on to daiwa legalis 4000,
I was able hang 12 lb weight without drag or spool slipping. I was not able to turn the handle on the daiwa though, so I am not sure how they advertise a 24 lb max drag on these.
Oh No you'll have a hard time turning the handle on most any spinning reel set at that level.
Has to do with gearing & machanical leverage... Jeff
If a fish is pulling any drag (on a spinning reel) why would you want to crank the handle ???
Cranking while line is being pulled is a sure way to get twist in the line.
Quote from: Rivverrat on July 06, 2018, 01:04:39 AM
Got to admit what I said about getting more braid on a spool with tension above 10 lbs. Is something that was repeated to me so often I had just come to believe it.
Ive done zero verifiable test of any kind that show its true or false.
.... & now I must say your post has me questioning this.
Which is a good thing!
Thanks For That Chris... Jeff
Jeff - the only caveat I would add is I didn't do my tests with lots of different braids (just a couple). There could be some braids that stretch more than others. I have used Fireline Tracer and cheap PRC hollow braid (this cheap crap is actually working well for me and its really easy to splice down to 30lb :))
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on July 06, 2018, 10:48:02 AM
If a fish is pulling any drag (on a spinning reel) why would you want to crank the handle ???
Cranking while line is being pulled is a sure way to get twist in the line.
Yes, cranking while fish is running = twist.
I was testing my pier fishing solution, no way in hell I will be able to crank it up from the water with anything more than a few lbs, I will have to use a pier net.
pump and crank and swing it over the railing is my usual method but in gulf shores the pier is 20 to 30 ft above the waterline.
When I fish from a pier once the fish is right below me I just grab the line, set down the pole, & hand over hand the line up to the pier. If it's a real heavy fish then you will either need a hoop net or walk it in to the beach. Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on July 06, 2018, 12:47:31 PM
When I fish from a pier once the fish is right below me I just grab the line, set down the pole, & hand over hand the line up to the pier. If it's a real heavy fish then you will either need a hoop net or walk it in to the beach. Rudy
Rudy, yeap, I hand lined a few last time I was there.
Quote from: cwillis85 on July 04, 2018, 01:49:10 PM
I used the same meathod to secure to the arbor but I use a fathom master bolted to a baby gate. Place a cordless drill with a socket fitted to the handle nut to wind onto the fathom master, then set my desired drag and crank onto the reel.
Cordless also works great for reeling in the kite when kite fishing.
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on July 05, 2018, 11:19:46 PM
MORE than 10lbs (sometimes even 8lbs) of drag - just ain't worth it. My simple theory (and I'm always open to correction ;)) once you have taken out the initial stretch of braid there is nothing to be gained by applying more drag.
I agree, when you fish a reel for the first time you cannot put 10# of pressure when retrieving the line. A couple of pounds of pressure with your fingers is about the best of us can do. Yes sometimes you can let the line out behind the boat and get more pressure on the line not at every stop.
Quote from: conchydong on July 01, 2018, 08:50:01 PM
I have also used the "Jerry Brown" method for years when winding braid onto the spool with 100% positive results. No tape and a long tag with some wraps over it.
Scott
what is the "Jerry Brown" method of spooling braid.
Quote from: Reel Beaker on December 17, 2018, 03:00:24 PM
Quote from: conchydong on July 01, 2018, 08:50:01 PM
I have also used the "Jerry Brown" method for years when winding braid onto the spool with 100% positive results. No tape and a long tag with some wraps over it.
Scott
what is the "Jerry Brown" method of spooling braid.
I couldn't find JB's website but fortunately it was still on Basil's.
http://www.bhptackle.com/pages.php?pageid=36
In the past I have backed up braid with either Dacron or mono but in anticipation of trying jigging for tuna this month I just spooled up a Saragosa 10k with 55# Dendoh and since they sent me an 1800m yds spool instead of a 300m I figured I'd forgo the backing.
I read Basil's article about using carnuba wax. I have some block carnuba that was used for finishing wood, it's charged on a 3/4" wide buffing wheel which was perfect to fit inside the spool and buff the spool's insides and arbor, giving them a nice coat of wax. This carnuba is very tacky, so much so that it would hold the tag end of the jam knot I used while spooling. I had no problem with the braid grabbing the arbor and it protects the spool.