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Title: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Bryan Young on August 10, 2011, 05:19:11 AM
Abu Frame codes
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Ken_D on August 10, 2011, 06:53:16 AM
Thx, Bryan...I got the info from Purefishing. This numbering system went into effect after year 1999, for the round type reels, 4500-10,000, and a little earlier for the spin, and other reels, like the BM, Morrum, etc.
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Robbert Noteboom on April 04, 2012, 01:23:25 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: mojocvh on April 04, 2012, 09:11:22 PM
Okay, what if your reels only have the 6 digit codes does anyone have a resource for that please?

Mo.
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Mooki on April 05, 2012, 02:54:44 AM
Could be a variety of different "translations", use the numbers in conjunction with other telltales do determine the age.

Usually (but not always):

6 figure numbers Late 1950s to 1960s, numbers running from 1xxxxxx to 9xxxxxx. Found in early Ambassadeur 5000 and 6000 (ribbed sideplates), Smooth foot.
6 figure numbers Late 60s / early 70s. Middle two digits indicating year. ie xx08xx - 1968, Smooth foot.
1970s 6 figure numbers, first 2 or middle 2 numbers as read ie 71xxxx or xx71xx - 1971, Checkered foot.
1980s Same as 70s but usually first 2 digits ie 82xxxx - 1982, Checkered foot.
Late 90s 6 figures, usually the last digit. i.e. 060006 or 040006 refers to a reel made in 1996, Checkered foot.

The above taken from RealsReels.
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: mojocvh on April 05, 2012, 09:11:49 AM
Brilliant, thanks very much Mooki,

so the collection is so far,

green mag elite, July 1987
blue elite may 1986
blue 7500c3ct April 1987
blue 7500c3ct june 1985

I think  ;D

cheers

Mo.
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Mooki on June 19, 2012, 08:11:32 AM
Seems that the frame codes have been revised again.
Recently acquired a 5501CS Pro Rocket in purple and the frame code had me mystified.
00H11SE
Doesn't look anything like the frame codes on my other reels.
Contacted ABU and they kindly revealed how to interpret the code.
00 = revision, change
H = month (A-L), in my case August
11 = production year 2011
SE = Swedish made

Also possible for custom reels are two additional letters/numbers, possibly within brackets after the regular frame code.
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Ken_D on June 19, 2012, 03:38:04 PM
Kewl, Mooki... Nice to know you are in a place and position to source info on our behalf.
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Ken_D on December 28, 2012, 08:21:59 AM
Image in Bryan's top post seems to have floated away.  
It's here.  http://postimage.org/image/xi9kgpbxl/ (http://postimage.org/image/xi9kgpbxl/)
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: northsacboy on July 25, 2013, 06:49:25 AM
I have a red 5000, smooth foot, ribbed end plates, marked 85747... Any guesses to year of manufacture ?   Thanks, Tim
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Mooki on August 07, 2013, 09:55:45 AM
I'd better start off with saying that I'm not at all savvy about older Ambassadeurs, so don't trust me on this  ;)
My totally wild guess would be 1969 if it's a 5000C, 1959/60 if it's just 5000.
Smooth foot and ribbed side plates support the above, but don't help distinguish between...
Is it a 3 or 4 screw model (side plate screws)? They (ABU) changed from 4 to 3 screws during 1967/68.
If it's 4 screws I'd go with the 5000 from 1959/60, if you have 3 screws I'd guess it's a 5000C from 1969.
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: 0119 on August 29, 2013, 04:21:49 PM
The more I read these code explanations, the more confused I get.  Ebay blessed me with a N.I.B. 5000C with ribbed sideplates.  Its reel foot number is 850100.  Its schematic is marked 84-0.  The box is silver and black, oil tube white and blue and its paperwork gives no mention of Pure Fishing Inc.  The box has a Walmart price sticker of 29.95 but the ribbed sideplates make me think it would be older than I knew Walmart to be around.   It has a counter balanced handle with a round knob and Ive never seen this combo together before but it looks like a factory handle.  It may just be a franken-reel and mis-matched box but its in primo condition other than ancient grease and oil less.  Can anybody help me decipher the reel foot number? Thanks ....
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: jay2578 on July 12, 2014, 05:28:52 PM
Sorry to revive an old one, but I am a little confused over the +10yrs bit.
My rockets have 01 05 12 25 and 01 05 12 38 stamped on the foot, I believe the 25 and 38 relate to the colour of the side plates (originally one blue, one silver, now both blue).
As I say its the +10 thats confusing me so could someone clarify for me please?

Thanks
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Ken_D on July 12, 2014, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: jay2578 on July 12, 2014, 05:28:52 PM
Sorry to revive an old one, but I am a little confused over the +10yrs bit.
My rockets have 01 05 12 25 and 01 05 12 38 stamped on the foot, I believe the 25 and 38 relate to the colour of the side plates (originally one blue, one silver, now both blue).
As I say its the +10 thats confusing me so could someone clarify for me please?

Thanks

(http://postimg.org/image/xi9kgpbxl/)  oops, fail. Will re-try. The sideplates do not figure in, as you'd suspected.  As per successful post below.
They used 1997 as an example, but in reality, the 17 showing would be 2007, as the 10 column has the 1 in it, for an auto-add of 10 to the 7 = 2007.
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Ken_D on July 12, 2014, 07:52:40 PM
(http://s4.postimg.org/rhbvjmpbh/page0001.jpg)
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Mooki on July 28, 2014, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: jay2578 on July 12, 2014, 05:28:52 PM
Sorry to revive an old one, but I am a little confused over the +10yrs bit.
My rockets have 01 05 12 25 and 01 05 12 38 stamped on the foot, I believe the 25 and 38 relate to the colour of the side plates (originally one blue, one silver, now both blue).
As I say its the +10 thats confusing me so could someone clarify for me please?

Thanks
The reel foot numbers indicate the reels should be more or less identical, produced in June and September -91.
The numbers 25 and 38 refer to production week. Couldn't find the exact schematic, the 01 06 and 01 07 schematics indicate the side plate color as "Silver Blue".
The "+10" is simply what Ken describes, they've added 10 to the last 2 digits of the year, i.e. 1991 => 91+10 => 101, cut out the first digit and presto: 01
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: jay2578 on August 02, 2014, 08:56:50 PM
Thanks guys  :)
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Rocket on August 09, 2014, 12:08:32 AM
Thanks for breaking down the Custom Reel foot #'s. I could never figure out what the 5 group numbers stood for.
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Fishit 2 on October 30, 2014, 09:56:25 PM
I have an odd one, just picked up a UC6501C as well as those numbers there is an additional set of numbers on the reels label/sticker that goes around the reel - UC6501 8849C
The reel foot is stamped: 060009 38

Trying to get some info on this reel, the inside looks more like a Morrum than an Ambu.
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Mooki on November 04, 2014, 01:30:10 PM
The "old" Ultracast (vs Ultra Cast) had an internal design reminding slightly of the Mörrum SX - i.e. the spool bearings are large and of different sizes.
060009 38 => design year 1996, production year 1997, production week 38 (September).
You can find the schematic at Mike's [Ambassadeur UC 6501C 06 00 ], page 19.
http://www.mikesreelrepair.com/schematics/albums/ambassadeur/Ambassadeur_UC_6501C_06_00.pdf

I remember there being a quite nice post on SOL about these reels.
http://www.stripersonline.com/t/498154/the-two-faces-of-abu-garcia-ultracast

I did a strip down a few years ago with a bunch of pics, Killerbug (with my permission) has published a google-translated version of my post at Esoxhunt-forum.
http://forum.esoxhunt.dk/viewforum.php?f=98
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: ez2cdave on June 04, 2016, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: Ken_D on December 28, 2012, 08:21:59 AM
Image in Bryan's top post seems to have floated away.  
It's here.  http://postimage.org/image/xi9kgpbxl/ (http://postimage.org/image/xi9kgpbxl/)


Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: seegran on May 25, 2017, 04:28:09 AM
Does not help much, got a Abu Garcia Ambassadeur Morrum SX 3600C Mag  sno   090010/3.
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: 0119 on May 26, 2017, 11:03:16 AM
Quote from: seegran on May 25, 2017, 04:28:09 AM
Does not help much, got a Abu Garcia Ambassadeur Morrum SX 3600C Mag  sno   090010/3.


Morrum doesnt apply to these codes, the post is speaking of Ambassadeurs only.  The Morrum being historically new in the scheme of things Abu related, you should be able to get an answer directly from Pure Fishing's customer service on that series.
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: ez2cdave on May 26, 2017, 02:31:24 PM
I found some interesting information about the Morrum reels . . .

http://www.realsreels.com/ABURecordreelmodelsMarketorientated.html (http://www.realsreels.com/ABURecordreelmodelsMarketorientated.html)

Tight Lines !
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Mooki on May 29, 2017, 08:21:17 AM
Quote from: seegran on May 25, 2017, 04:28:09 AM
Does not help much, got a Abu Garcia Ambassadeur Morrum SX 3600C Mag  sno   090010/3.
I suspect the Mörrum line uses the same type of numbering as the regular Ambassadeurs, so your s/no would translate to
09 => Designed 1999
00 => No revisions (in other words, as originally designed)
10 => Produced in 2000
/3 => Produced in the 3rd week (January)

This seems to be supported in the above link, "In Tight Lines 1999, we would see the first named SX series renamed Ambassadeur Morrum"
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: seegran on June 06, 2017, 06:41:09 AM
 ;D Cool, thanks for sharing.
Quote from: ez2cdave on May 26, 2017, 02:31:24 PM
I found some interesting information about the Morrum reels . . .

http://www.realsreels.com/ABURecordreelmodelsMarketorientated.html (http://www.realsreels.com/ABURecordreelmodelsMarketorientated.html)

Tight Lines !
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: Mooki on September 13, 2017, 08:33:35 AM
Seems that ABU are intent on keeping us confused, yet another change of frame codes I believe.
A post in a Swedish forum indicates they've reversed the order since last change.

Sample of new reel foot number: SE15C00
SE - Country of manufacture (AK=Korea, AO=Angola, SE=Sweden, may exist more country codes)
15 - Year of manufacture (2015)
C - Month of manufacture (March)
00 - Revision (original, no changes made)
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: ReelFishingProblems on January 08, 2021, 04:13:36 PM
I have a CT cage with the foot number 00C12SE, so I suppose it is

00 = No revision
C = March
12 = 2012
SE = Sweden

Seem right?

Another question. When looking at Ambassadeur schematics, it will be labeled "Abu Garcia 6500 C3 CT (09 01 Mag)" or "Abu Garcia 6500 C3 CT (17 00 Mag Hi-Speed)" and other variations of that. What do the two numbers in the parenthesis mean?

Thanks,
Nick
Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: SteveL on January 08, 2021, 05:21:06 PM
Quote from: ReelFishingProblems on January 08, 2021, 04:13:36 PM
I have a CT cage with the foot number 00C12SE, so I suppose it is

00 = No revision
C = March
12 = 2012
SE = Sweden

Seem right?

Another question. When looking at Ambassadeur schematics, it will be labeled "Abu Garcia 6500 C3 CT (09 01 Mag)" or "Abu Garcia 6500 C3 CT (17 00 Mag Hi-Speed)" and other variations of that. What do the two numbers in the parenthesis mean?

Thanks,
Nick

The first number is the year (with an add of +10) for the year the reel was first introduced.  The next two numbers are revisions.   17 00 means the reel was released in 2007 and is the original design.  17 01 would indicate a production change.

Title: Re: Abu Frame Codes compliments of Ken_D
Post by: ReelFishingProblems on January 10, 2021, 12:15:07 AM
I've used that for my older Ambassadeurs and it is a great tool, it just doesn't work for my newer 6500C3CT

The foot number is 00C12SE. I like what Mooki posted, I would love something from Abu stating definitively on it.

I still don't know what the (09 01 Mag) means on schematics thought. That is really bugging me right now.