My TZC-70M snapped nearly in the middle. This is like the 4th Terez that has been snapped on fish in the last 6 years. I is very fustrating. I have 4 Terez, and two of them are snapped.
Two of my Florida buddies have snapped them too.
Graphite is brittle. If you're bouncing fish with the rod you'll break one once and awhile, just the nature of the beast. Can't beat it for lightness and sensitivity but there's a trade off in overall strength compared to fiberglass. You could try sending them back, you never know they might replace them or maybe a credit towards a new one
Not a cheap rod. Hope you get some compensation.
Only rods I have ever broken while fishing, have been graphite.
NOTHING ruins an expensive trip faster than a rod snapped in two when fighting a fish.
For me, it is not worth the grief or the chance that the graphite blank will hold together without failing.
For the type of money spent on these Shimano Terez's — a much better rod could be sourced through one of our expert rod-makers on site for comparable cost.
Shimano used to be a good company — for reels, rods, parts, and service.
Now they have transitioned from an over the counter exchange policy — to a "Limited One Year" warranty.
Nice...for a $260 rod!
They claim that their original Limited Lifetime Warranty was never meant to cover accidents, abuse, or normal wear and tear.
I understand all of that.
But in your case, the only "accident" was loyally buying their product multiple times.
Here is part of Shimano's new policy. Obviously edited and written by the legal department, as well as the Corporate Suits:
Shimano's limited warranty covers the rod against non-conformities in material and workmanship. While frequently misunderstood, the limited lifetime warranty has never been an unconditional warranty that covers normal wear and tear, accidents or abuse. In order to verify the reason for a claim, Shimano requires that a rod being returned for warranty replacement pass the warranty inspection process.
This is not the first time I have heard of this issue with Shimano rods.
And we need to remember, that most major companies do not make their own blanks and rods. They are sourced through the lowest bidder that meets their criteria. In over 90% of the cases — that means the rods are built in Asian factories and labeled to spec.
Just my personal opinions...
Best,
Fred
What breaks rods are boats and automobiles, not fish. I think it is when the rod bounces around and slaps something sideways that the graphite cracks. Then, sometime later, the rod is bent in such a way as to open the crack and it snaps.
-steve
Yup, Steve. I agree. Ruben pack it up and send it back with a note saying it broke reeling in a fish. If nothing comes of it you only out the postage. Dominick
Invest some extra $$ and ask Newell Nut to build you a custom rod. It'll outlast you, your kids, grandchildren and etcetera. 8)
~A~
Look into composite rods and blanks too, a blend of graphite and fiberglass. A little heavier and not quite as sensitive but a good compromise. Calstar and Seeker are popular out here. I've gone thru several G Loomis graphite rods that broke and those were made in Washington before shimano bought the company. They were pretty good about either replacing or giving a discount on another one. Now I think G Loomis is made offshore too.
Steve is right about graphite,one thwack on something can cause a small crack or chip that will compromise the blank, then pulling on a fish it breaks.
Not likely to find a factory wrapped rod that will match up to a custom job by a competent builder. There's not much money to be made building rods, most who do it take pride in the workmanship as opposed to a grinder factory job for a paycheck. A big plus is getting a rod built to your specs for the way you fish.
For that kind of money I'd send it back and see if they won't cut you some slack especially if you have 3.
The unfortunate part with those is a small scratch creates a weak spot and that's where the problem might begin. Curious if both rods broke in the same approximate area?
I carried them at the shop for a while but turned out to be problematic and too costly overall.
Hopefully they will make good on it as its not a cheap rod by any means. Let us know how you make out. Hopefully it will go your way. I'm not positive but I think there was a $20.00 surcharge the last time I shipped a rod?
..................Lou
Like Aiala said let Newell nut make you a custom rod, I have never broken a rod that I made and no one has broken one that I have made.
Joe
...but costume rods can only be used on Halloween ;D ;D ;D
seriously, though...
snapped the tip on a Loomis IMX as a result of minor/minimal/miniscule high-sticking :'( :'( :'(
cried, cursed, kicked stuf & never paid big bucks for high-modulus, again
good 'ole glass or well-made IM-6, ALL THE WAY
feather-light + super-sensitive = fragile
It all depends on what equipment your looking to last and look good, most guys have put a lot of money in reels and pride in what they have created in hot rode reels, so why not build a nice custom rod to show off the outfit. ???.................................Joe
hey, I definitely want a custom rod, but if I ever pay for one,
it'll be premium vintage glass tricked out w/ the finest modern Fuji components
I'd LOVE some titanium SiC's on a honey/tobacco/Fen blank
Ruben
Go over to pier 5 Ocean Eagle ask for Billy V [Billy 40] & see what he has in rack rods. I don't expect you to get a rod like he made for me but he has rods already made on the boat.
Mike
What I had made Is expensive Costume Grips, Butt grip is one of a kind, Titanium Guides, it's Graphite Blank.
I won't tell you what I paid. Don't Ask
Mike
Custom rods can be in the $1000.00 range and up, but you can get a rod built that will last a life time for around $300.00-$450.00 all depends.
Any pro builder works hard to build a good rod.
Joe
Over the past few years there has been a trend towards using ever increasing strengths of carbons (graphite) in rods, to make them lighter through less material content. However, as strengths of carbon increase, the carbon gets more brittle, and there is the problem. Take the carbon sheet to too higher a strength, and the brittleness factor increases hugely. Then the slightest knock will fracture the material.
In our local surf rod fishery, we had companies going through the same evolution, and now they have backed off on super high strength carbons, to more moderate strengths, and the breakages have dropped accordingly. The other route that some blank manufacturers have gone, is to use high strength carbons in conjunction with lower strength, and get the best of both world - lighter weight and higher strength.
Rain Shadow makes the rod out of glass that you would be satisfied with............Joe
QuoteYeah I know him. He has insulted my rods more than once.
I own two of those rods and had them called a rich mans Ugly Stick. I'm not an all in Shimano guy but a friend hit one of my Teramar rods with a jig while it was in the rod rack and they did replace it. Not the exact same rod because it had been discontinued.
Tight lines, Brendan.
Quote from: philaroman on August 03, 2018, 11:41:35 PM
hey, I definitely want a custom rod, but if I ever pay for one,
it'll be premium vintage glass tricked out w/ the finest modern Fuji components
I'd LOVE some titanium SiC's on a honey/tobacco/Fen blank
man after my own heart....that E / S glas is tough stuff.
Quote from: mrbrklyn on August 09, 2018, 04:02:39 AM
I just looked up the rain shadow blanks... thanks!
The Rainshadows are very good blanks. My favorite for bottom fishing is a Seeker Hercules. I have punished the heck out of those rods and never a problem. None the many customs that I have built have had a problem either. Great lightweight blanks that can take a beating. I have one of my friends that actually fishes for grouper with a 15-30 Hercules that I built him. Too light for me for a grouper. I like the 30-60 or 40-80.
Dwight
I agree. I built a few of rain shadows for sail and for Ruth and I, no one has complained about the rods and I don't and complaints either.
Dwight; should know as a fellow rod builder, mater of fact I have also built Seeker rods and like Dwight said there strong as heck.
Joe
I've had three long ultralight rods built on Rain Shadow blanks. They are all broken now..
-steve
Something like this?
Vintage E glass Calstar with Fuji MNSG Silicone carbide guides and tip.
Quote from: philaroman on August 03, 2018, 11:41:35 PM
hey, I definitely want a custom rod, but if I ever pay for one,
it'll be premium vintage glass tricked out w/ the finest modern Fuji components
I'd LOVE some titanium SiC's on a honey/tobacco/Fen blank
Forgot to hit the "quote" button Philaroman.
See my response on page 3
Quote from: mrbrklyn on September 01, 2018, 09:06:12 PM
Which blank. There website is a mumble of confusion... to say the least.
1 each - Rainshadow RX7 IST1263F
2 each - Rainshadow IST1384F
-steve
Very nice set up,,,,, :D and rain gear,,,,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: Newell Nut on August 09, 2018, 08:08:03 PM
...... My favorite for bottom fishing is a Seeker Hercules.......... I have one of my friends that actually fishes for grouper with a 15-30 Hercules that I built him. Too light for me for a grouper. I like the 30-60 or 40-80.
Dwight
wow, a 15-30 for grouper should be a nice test for those blanks, that speaks loud for the seeker hercules.
dwight do you know what would be the difference on a Super seeker blank Vs Seeker hercules blank ?
I have a phenix BD 60lb which is really thin, but Im now into build me a light rod with great backbone, so, the phenix will be for sell pretty soon to fund me a new custom rod, I was thinking on get me a super seeker 30lb blank but found this post from you and got me thinking on the seeker hercules
Quote from: mrbrklyn on July 30, 2019, 02:46:00 AM
I never showed the end product
so, at the end, what blank brand and model did you choose?