Whole reel functions as it should except that the spool will spontaneously, see attached video link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zFjdou0DMai1IYdxSLZy7Rb0-TJ8TH4H/view?usp=sharing
This is while the gear is engaged and only turns in the direction of retrieve. Drag works fine, free spool is fine...???
Thoughts?
Thanks!
Andy
the A/R roller bearing (BNT1207) is shot
AR Bearing seems to be working fine. The spool is turning in the retrieve direction when making this sound and the handle is stationary. AR is stopping the spool and the drag engages properly.
????
Hi Andy,
Did you disassemble the reel to service it, as it appears that the spool pin and pinion gear may not be engaging correctly.
The pinion bearing is held in place by a bearing retainer that only goes in one way.
Maybe a picture of the internals would help diagnose the problem.
Cheers,
Terry.
ah, that's normal. the ambassaduers do the same thing.
sorry... brain-fart... spoke too soon, previously
methinks Terry's on the right track & my feeble memory tells me I may have had similar issue w/ an early Curado/Chronarch: something wasn't seated correctly (not sure what) & the cross-pin was popping in/out of the pinion, on its own... did a complete dis/re-assembly & everything was fine
check for pinion wear (cross-pin slot, rather than teeth) & if spool is perfectly centered
:o am I saying the Boss is wrong? :o
I don't see any unusual wear on the teeth on the pinion. I would say it's normal too if it was not intermittent. New pinion is discontinued and out of stock everywhere that I normally go.
Andy
It's not the teeth on the pinion gear. It's the engagement slots on the end of the pinion gear. The slots fit over the spool shaft pin. That's what actually turns the spool. If the slots are worn, wobbled out etc. then they can hop over the pin. The pinion gear is held in place by the yoke and is being pushed against the spool pin by the yoke springs. With the spool out of the frame you can use a pencil or something and push against the pinion gear and you will see that it doesn't take much pressure to push it further into the reel. That's what's happening. The clicking noise is the slots on the bottom of the pinion gear hoping over the spool drive pin. You may be able to fix it with a file but most likely it needs replacing. The actual spool drive pin may also be damaged. The SF spool doesn't use a removable pin because it doesn't have a spool mounted bearing. If it's damaged you may need a new spool. The pinion is almost impossible to find now. I used the last new one I had several months ago. I probably have several used ones that came from buzzy feeling reels. You might check with a place in Texas called dads ok tackle.
I've also seen this happening on a reel which someone installed the yoke upside down. The pinion was just barely touching the drive pin
yeah, that's what I was trying to say
thank's for all the thorough details & correct terminology that I could not provide... it takes a pro
did you mean https://www.dadsoletackle.com/ -- good people!
Teeth on the pinion
1. https://flic.kr/p/2e77do2
2. https://flic.kr/p/2cHf8zD
3. https://flic.kr/p/2cHf8E8
Looks like that could be the issue but without a new one to compare it with it is hard to draw an conclusions...
Thoughts?
they are definitely rounded off. Don't know if that was the cause or a symptom. Was the pinion yoke installed upside down. That's one possible cause. The reel will function but stiff to engage because the ramps on the yoke are upside down and the spool engagement pin is just barley inside the notch on the bottom of pinion. The other possible scenario is if the tension disk under the brake side bearing is gone or has a very deep divot in it. In that case it lets the spool slide all the way to that side of the reel which could also make the engagement pin just barely catch the tips of the pinion gear notch.
um, this is still normal. ambassaduers are the same way. this is what the reel is supposed to do....... :-\
hmmm...
Andy, you said it's "intermittent"
when it's NOT happening, does the handle turn?
I'm with pro reel on this one. If it has been put back together properly and the yoke is good, I'd say it is the bottom of the pinion. Haven't seen this as normal on any of the Curados I've worked on and they are a popular muskie reel.
Just noticed the pics posted. That doesn't look too bad.
OK. Just tried to duplicate the problem on a 300E and a Bantam Curado and was unable to do it. Didn't take them apart, just tried every which way to get it to make that sound. No go.
If the pinion is good it is put together incorrectly.
Larry
The spool makes that sound when the handle is stationary and the spool is turned in the retrieve direction. The handle will still turn if needed and operates fine
Quote from: philaroman on January 09, 2019, 05:24:31 PM
hmmm...
Andy, you said it's "intermittent"
when it's NOT happening, does the handle turn?
OK looks like I need to find a pinion BNT2227 which no one has in stock. Anyone have a used one that they could part with?
thanks
Andy
I've got a Curado SF identical to yours that came in this week for service. I tried everything to make it do what yours is doing, while it was still assembled, and it just wont do it. Yes, I can force the spool to revolve in either direction by rolling it with my thumb, with the drag not cranked tight, but it's completely silent because the pinion is staying linked with the spool pin. The spool is turning the pinion gear forwards or backwards which is forcing the drive gear to slip against it's drag washers. Now, I just made it do the exact same thing your reel is doing. I tokk the side cover off the brake side of reel, I pulled the clip and removed the bearing, then removed the tension disk. I then put the bearing and clip back in without the tension disk behind it. That allowed the spool to slide further the the left side of the reel, and then when I tired to turn the spool, while the reel was engaged, it turned easy and went click click click click click. It was doing exactly what I suggested, compressing the yoke springs just enogh to let it pop past the slot to the next slot. I moved the spool back to center position and it wouldn't do it anymore. Now I suggest you remove the same bearing and see if there is a small round fiber disk in there. If it's there but has a deep dimple in it, turn it over. If it's gone replace it. if it's there and no deep dimple, then it's the slightly rounded tips of pinion slots letting it happen, unless the yoke is upside down.
oh, good... now I don't have to dig out my Scorp.Met.XT, to see if it does that
(close JDM cousin of Curado-BSF & Chronarch-B, I believe)
...will certainly save this, for when I have to do dig into my reel
Thank you, all
OK that sounds reasonable. Yoke is in right. I will check the tension disk. Thanks!
Quote from: Pro Reel on January 11, 2019, 01:54:03 AM
I've got a Curado SF identical to yours that came in this week for service. I tried everything to make it do what yours is doing, while it was still assembled, and it just wont do it. Yes, I can force the spool to revolve in either direction by rolling it with my thumb, with the drag not cranked tight, but it's completely silent because the pinion is staying linked with the spool pin. The spool is turning the pinion gear forwards or backwards which is forcing the drive gear to slip against it's drag washers. Now, I just made it do the exact same thing your reel is doing. I tokk the side cover off the brake side of reel, I pulled the clip and removed the bearing, then removed the tension disk. I then put the bearing and clip back in without the tension disk behind it. That allowed the spool to slide further the the left side of the reel, and then when I tired to turn the spool, while the reel was engaged, it turned easy and went click click click click click. It was doing exactly what I suggested, compressing the yoke springs just enogh to let it pop past the slot to the next slot. I moved the spool back to center position and it wouldn't do it anymore. Now I suggest you remove the same bearing and see if there is a small round fiber disk in there. If it's there but has a deep dimple in it, turn it over. If it's gone replace it. if it's there and no deep dimple, then it's the slightly rounded tips of pinion slots letting it happen, unless the yoke is upside down.
Everything is installed correctly. Tension disk under bearing on non-handle side is intact and not dimpled. Yoke is properly installed. So as I was testing it I discovered this little issue. Same problem just magnified by the handle spinning and instantly stopped. The spool keeps spinning intermittently and makes the same noise. So I guess this is the end of this little reel as the pinion is unobtainable. See quick video of the issue:
https://flic.kr/p/S3j2eU
Thanks everyone for the help! I really appreciate the support!
Andy
not dead -- hibernating:
1) another main/pinion SET may be compatible, but different ratio -- hence, different part #'s
2) since parts are unobtainable, donor reels may become quite affordable
...or, your good parts may net you most of the cost of a [better] replacement reel
(my mechanically perfect Scorp.Met.XT was only $45+S/H, albeit I bargain-hunted for almost 2 yrs.)
Have you called Shimano to see if the part is common to another reel? They have been good with me in the past and have gone out of their way to look for compatible parts, often going down to the reel repair guys to ask.
Also check South West Parts in Texas (214-630-8161) They often have all sorts of parts that you can't get anywhere else.
Good luck.
I've got 2 used ones in a box full of used gears. They came out of reels that were buzzy feeling while cranking. I've tried many many times to make gears smooth again by polishing, and have never seen much improvement. I myself am very picky about reels I use and wouldn't want to use one that's buzzy or geary feeling. However, if that reel has some sentimental value to you and you want it to work, even if it's not smooth, then you can have both of these and see if it works good enough for you. What's your address?
The same pinion is in the Chronarch Ch-100SF and Castaic CA-200SG if you can get your hands on one.
Good luck
We have the pinion gear in stock if you need one.
Well just a tad too late on the pinion. I sent the reel back to the owner last week. Thank you for the offer!