The FG knot seems to be a good way to attatch a mono leader to a braid coming from your rod/reel while standing in the water rather quickly. I,m sure finishing the knot with more hitches is a smoother addition. Butt do that when you can . This is a quick version.
https://youtu.be/qQmUN0L4F6c
I love that knot. problem is I keep forgetting how to tie it? but then most times I forget what I get out of my chair for? so I just go to the bathroom! that way it looks like I had something to do!
thanks Gary I like the way he ties this.
Practice getting old, you,ll get good at it i,m thinkin! :) I was riding the excersize bike and saw the equil to the fg knot.
This seems more complicated, takes a special bobbin, and it wood be impractical to try standing in the surf, or on a stormy sea.
These folks brag it up, you decide your knot, and mourn the fish lost? Its good for intertainment purposes. Shop Time?? ???
https://youtu.be/szEiqDiWZPs
thanks Gary, made me forget how to tie the FG again! its raining anyway so Ill go back and watch it again, oh look a squirrel!
;D Now I remember why I don't like knots but prefer splicing a topshot into hollow braid - NO KNOTS ;D
I have a love-hate relationship with the FG. Tedious to tie but it doesn't click going through the guides. I'm going to try his method of wrapping but was a little put-off when he said he was going to scruntch the wraps down. That means he was not getting the wraps tight enough initially. Loose wraps will make the knot elongate and start to unravel. Also, I don't like his 1/16 inch tag end on the mono. The mono tag end is what makes the knot click in the guides and it should be completely covered with the half hitches.
Thanks for showing Gary.
-steve
I don't think I can tie the FG well. But after a trip to the Coranado's I caught multiple Yellow tail heads and got all of my jigs back from the Seals, I think it works.
Tight lines, Brendan.
Brendan,
At least you know your knot was strong.... I fished the Coronados several times last summer and the seals were Brutal. Any fish hooked close to the island is a seal lunch 95% of the time. The only chance you have is to immediately motor away from the island after a hookup and use heavy enough line to get the fish in FAST in hopes you can get away before the seals grab it. The last trip, the three anglers on our boat caught limits of yellowtail trolling pink rapala lures 100 yards or more from the island. Never lost one to the seals all day and never used a bait. The 5 trips before that day, we lost multiple fish to the seals each time. I am not a fan of trolling as I much prefer fishing live bait, but it sure beats losing a bunch of fish to seals. I was amazed at the pink rapala lures being the ticket. That is the last color I would buy, but that's what the fish wanted.
Smols
Thank you!! That was a great video, and very thorough! I am hoping I can play around a little bit in the garage tomorrow with that; love to learn new fishing tricks! Along the line of knots, Capt. John Collins (San Diego Long Range fame) was on "Let's Talk Hookup" this morning (SoCal Sportfishing Radio show on Saturday and Sunday mornings) and he did a wide variety of knots on the show that they are putting up on their website. But he repeated several times (and I am paraphrasing): the best knots are the simplest knots that anyone can tie well for the application they are in. It was a great show from a guy that has tied a lot of knots in his career...
Quote from: oc1 on January 05, 2019, 08:41:48 PM
I have a love-hate relationship with the FG. Tedious to tie but it doesn't click going through the guides. I'm going to try his method of wrapping but was a little put-off when he said he was going to scruntch the wraps down. That means he was not getting the wraps tight enough initially. Loose wraps will make the knot elongate and start to unravel.
100% agree, I noticed his knot "settled" a LOT when he loaded it. I tie my FGs with some (although not a huge amount) of tension on the mainline (braid) and they settle maybe 10% when I cinch them down, whereas the knot in this video looks like it doubles in length before the wraps bite in to the mono.
I still think the FG is the best braid-leader knot that you can tie without tools. I have a PR bobbin and for my heavy setups that don't have hollowcore I will tie a PR knot if I am sitting at home, but out on the boat, or for lighter rigs, or for anything where I have to cast the line, it's FG all day.
Another way to speed tie the FG knot:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzUb5QRKuk (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzUb5QRKuk)
And a follow up video on how to tell if you cinched it properly:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LD1gWbp9zKo (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LD1gWbp9zKo)
I am still struggling to tie an FG consistently.
-J
If you tie the FG like me where you have the braid in your teeth and your pole leaning up against something or away from you to create tension, a simple helpful trick is to tie a double knot on the end of the braid so it doesn't slip out of your teeth while applying tension. I never used to do this, but found it to be very helpful.
One thing I have learned tying the FG over and over is to get the wraps tight against each other. The way I accomplish this is to slide every over/under tight against the previous one. Also, sometimes the knot starts to look funny (not uniform) like there's a tiny mono loop sticking out. The reason for that is because there is not enough tension on the braid which is being held in my teeth. You can fix that by tightening the tension of the braid in your teeth, slightly releasing the tension of the over/under, sliding it back and forth a bit and tightening the over/under again. That is something I learned how to fix. I used to just start all over because I could not understand what happened and could not fix it. It's kind of hard to explain, but if you keep tying it over and over, you will see what I mean.
I'm pretty efficient at tying the FG this way even on a boat that is rolling and pitching although I try my best to not have to do it by bringing a few set ups already rigged up.
Quote from: r8rs4lf on January 07, 2019, 11:44:55 AM
If you tie the FG like me where you have the braid in your teeth and your pole leaning up against something or away from you to create tension, a simple helpful trick is to tie a double knot on the end of the braid so it doesn't slip out of your teeth while applying tension. I never used to do this, but found it to be very helpful.
One thing I have learned tying the FG over and over is to get the wraps tight against each other. The way I accomplish this is to slide every over/under tight against the previous one. Also, sometimes the knot starts to look funny (not uniform) like there's a tiny mono loop sticking out. The reason for that is because there is not enough tension on the braid which is being held in my teeth. You can fix that by tightening the tension of the braid in your teeth, slightly releasing the tension of the over/under, sliding it back and forth a bit and tightening the over/under again. That is something I learned how to fix. I used to just start all over because I could not understand what happened and could not fix it. It's kind of hard to explain, but if you keep tying it over and over, you will see what I mean.
I'm pretty efficient at tying the FG this way even on a boat that is rolling and pitching although I try my best to not have to do it by bringing a few set ups already rigged up.
I use this technique; I tie a figure-8 in the end of the braid (doubled if it's very light braid) to give me something to bite. Then I use the spring of the rod to provide tension.
If I get the little mono loop, I find that pulling hard on the mono on both sides of the knot fixes this. It also seems to help the braid cinch down, give it a try :)
Thanks for the comments. i,ve tied it enough to add the tag end in the mouth should be deffinately with a stopper knot. thanks for helping us all in making a bettrr knot. maybe saving a dissapointment. :-\
Anyone able to tie one using something lighter than 20lb mono? If so,any tips?
Quote from: Chuck750ss on January 08, 2019, 01:09:35 AM
Anyone able to tie one using something lighter than 20lb mono? If so,any tips?
I've tied an FG in 10lb. The lighter the mono the more likely it will fold up and make a mess, make sure to frequently tension the mono while you're tieing it to ensure the wraps lay down neatly. I also increase the number of wraps as the line gets lighter - I would probably do 30 wraps for line that light.
Quote from: boon on January 08, 2019, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: Chuck750ss on January 08, 2019, 01:09:35 AM
Anyone able to tie one using something lighter than 20lb mono? If so,any tips?
I've tied an FG in 10lb. The lighter the mono the more likely it will fold up and make a mess, make sure to frequently tension the mono while you're tieing it to ensure the wraps lay down neatly. I also increase the number of wraps as the line gets lighter - I would probably do 30 wraps for line that light.
Thanks. Need to play around with the lighter line till I get it down.
This is another tip ive recently used it to hold the tag end of the leader when actually not at your bench. great for the diy person like me.
https://youtu.be/tk2kNTDEhGo
I cannot tension line with my teeth. I found a video showing it tied by creating a large loop wrapped around your fingers and then tensioned between the thumb and forefinger. I'm working on that method.
Quote from: David Hall on January 09, 2019, 06:40:51 PM
I cannot tension line with my teeth. I found a video showing it tied by creating a large loop wrapped around your fingers and then tensioned between the thumb and forefinger. I'm working on that method.
Another option is to throw a loop in the end of the braid (just tie a quick figure-8 loop or a surgeon's knot) then put it around the reel's handle shaft. Roll the spool back by hand (or turn the rotor if it's a fixed spool reel) to add tension using the rod.
Obviously won't work too well on very heavy gear....
That's an even better setup. I'm gonna try that one to see which I like better.
Agreed. I'm going to try that one too.
-steve
It seems like there are two camps with the problems of the FG knot problems. Firstly light lines are more limp and harder to see and use in the fingers, at least for me. This camp likes to have seme tension on the tag end of the braid.
The other camp usually the heavy line folks maybe, sez hey why not tie it out there in front of you with all lines free to move. Using no tension just pinching the line and crossing wraps ........
However it works for you is whats important, find your own method as there is a lot of u-tube and other info sites to assist you and I.
I,m still testing and using the tension method with a line holding alagator clip to my shirt to hold the tag end of the braid for the streamside lighter line approach. When i get cold fingers I usually go the the albright knot and say foowy. ???
Ok, here is about the easiest of the non tensioned FG knot tutorials from u-tube ive seen. This makes it look easy, instills confidence yet left me cold..... I havent tried the super glue addition yet. I did like the way its shown to cinch the wraps in the early stages as this will help. After more testing on the bench this knot with out the glue will eventuall slip befor it breaks for me.....
Butt the instructions are pretty goodand it works for him in video form. ??? Even one of Alans rules are mentioned, Just sayin.... ;)
My problem is not the twisted section, rather the finish, I continue to have problems with it unravelling regardless how i finish it, even with the fancy rozitto finish, it seems burning a blob in the mono or glue is the only solution. Both become very unpractical when you are out fishing
Quote from: CapeFish on January 21, 2019, 09:14:13 AM
My problem is not the twisted section, rather the finish, I continue to have problems with it unravelling regardless how i finish it, even with the fancy rozitto finish, it seems burning a blob in the mono or glue is the only solution. Both become very unpractical when you are out fishing
The way I finish it is with four hitch knots. When you finish all your coils, do one "over" hitch knot, pull tight. That locks the coils in. Get your pulling tools out and cinch the FG knot down tight! After that I do one "under" hitch knot, pull tight. After both those knots I do another "over" hitch knot, but I double the wrap. Basically instead of going through the loop once, I go through the loop twice and pull tight. Cut the tag end of the mono tight to the braid. Then one more "under" double hitch knot that slides right up against the previously cut mono end, pull tight. Done!
Sometimes I only do 3 knots. The two singles and one double. I used to see the single knots start to unravel a bit, but never had one fail. Ever since I started going through the loop twice, no more unraveling.
Good luck!
My current testing is with 25 #. Butt I'm going to try 12# next when I'm sure it's going to work for me.
I'll post pictures if possible.🎣
Just buy the Daiichi Knot Assist 2.0 tool. No teeth, toes or rod holders needed and you can use it for very light leaders and braid. Taught my sons in 5 mins using it. Because it is so compact, it is easy to use in a boat. 2-3 mins to tie an FG with a Rizutto finish.
Quote from: Strewth on January 24, 2019, 01:46:30 AM
Just buy the Daiichi Knot Assist 2.0 tool. No teeth, toes or rod holders needed and you can use it for very light leaders and braid. Taught my sons in 5 mins using it. Because it is so compact, it is easy to use in a boat. 2-3 mins to tie an FG with a Rizutto finish.
I purchased that and could not get used to it.
Sold it off.
I'm used to tying it a certain way so it's hard to change.
Quote from: r8rs4lf on January 24, 2019, 02:15:06 AM
Quote from: Strewth on January 24, 2019, 01:46:30 AM
Just buy the Daiichi Knot Assist 2.0 tool. No teeth, toes or rod holders needed and you can use it for very light leaders and braid. Taught my sons in 5 mins using it. Because it is so compact, it is easy to use in a boat. 2-3 mins to tie an FG with a Rizutto finish.
I purchased that and could not get used to it.
Sold it off.
I'm used to tying it a certain way so it's hard to change.
Interesting. I am generally allergic to knot tools, but this is a great one. I know of no other easy way to tie the FG in light braid and leader, such as 6lb braid and leader. Gives a great knot every time and the super clean Rizutto finish is a cinch (excuse the pun).
Just as an experiment, take a piece of dowel and a piece of cord. Tie a clove hitch and then keep putting on hitches with all of them going in the same direction. Tighten each hitch by pulling it back and forth. Let the hitch cross-overs form a spiral around the dowel. If all the hitches are going in the same direction and you tighten each hitch by pulling it back and forth the spiral will happen naturally.
Now try sliding and twisting the whole mass of hitches lined up around the dowel. Note how tight they are how difficult it is to move them around.
OK, next do it all over again. However, this time alternate the direction of each hitch. Again, tighten each hitch by pulling it back and forth. Note the cross-over points line up along the dowel and do not tend to spiral around the dowel. Now grasp the whole mass and try to slide and twist it on the dowel.
Which one seems tighter and more compact? Which one tends to grab on the dowel better?
-steve