Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: SevenYearsDown on February 03, 2019, 06:24:57 PM

Title: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: SevenYearsDown on February 03, 2019, 06:24:57 PM
We recently got a 4/0 Special with a narrow tiburon frame. Also came with an aftermarket handle which feels very nice. No other upgrades have been done. What other things can I do/change to beef up the reel besides a new drag stack (will get one of those new carbon tex drags). Also can anyone point me out to a post with pictures on how to service and clean this reel? Planning to use this on Half-day to 1.5 day trips out in San Diego.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: Bryan Young on February 03, 2019, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: SevenYearsDown on February 03, 2019, 06:24:57 PM
We recently got a 4/0 Special with a narrow tiburon frame. Also came with an aftermarket handle which feels very nice. No other upgrades have been done. What other things can I do/change to beef up the reel besides a new drag stack (will get one of those new carbon tex drags). Also can anyone point me out to a post with pictures on how to service and clean this reel? Planning to use this on Half-day to 1.5 day trips out in San Diego.  Thank you.
Check his posting out. Should give you a good idea what can be done.

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3083.0
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: SevenYearsDown on February 04, 2019, 03:46:37 AM
I am halfway through it, so I think what I need for this is the stainless steel parts as what I have now has brass. BTW is the handle not supposed to go down all the way or am I missing a washer?
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: Benni3 on February 04, 2019, 04:08:31 AM
I like the 4 to 1 gears,,,, :D but it's just how your going to fish it,,, ;D
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: RowdyW on February 04, 2019, 04:13:58 AM
By the looks of the top hat your drag stack is to short. What is that washer under the handle? It looks like you have a double bellville washer setup under the handle. Disassemble the handle & washers in order so we can see exactly what you have there. Lay them out in the order of disassembly.       Rudy
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: SevenYearsDown on February 04, 2019, 04:41:54 AM
Here it is laid out. 
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: RowdyW on February 04, 2019, 05:31:59 AM
What is under the star wheel? It should be a thick bellville washer. Toss one or both of the thin bellvilles. In between the star wheel & top hat doesn't look right. The top hat also is setting to low. You probably need an extra keyed washer on top of the drag stack.
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: SevenYearsDown on February 04, 2019, 05:52:24 AM
Those two washers were underneath the star drag. Hmm, so there are parts missing. Time to source them.  Is this use able as is or should I just wait?
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: RowdyW on February 04, 2019, 06:09:21 AM
If it seems to be working then use it but turn down the star wheel so you can tighten down the handle all the way. Then back off the star against the handle. The correct order of assembly starting from the handle screw is ---- handle screw, handle, one or no thin bellville washer, star wheel, one thick bellville washer, then top hat. Upper edge of top hat should be very slightly above the hole in the plate with the drag backed off. 
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: Cuttyhunker on February 04, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
This is a teardown reassemble youtube vid for the 113H

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kttc-NUpe7c
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: Alto Mare on February 04, 2019, 03:01:28 PM
Not a bad video, but he should really do a little better job, I'm not talking about his knowledge on servicing the reel.
He's working on someone's reel and keeps dragging it on the wood bench with no protection.
He should also consider putting that plate flat, so the tip of the screwdriver won't slip and scratch the plate, also this is the second time someone has posted his videos and I never see him removing the bearings.

I guess turning a phillips head screwdriver a little would let him know if that bearing is good or not :-\.

Not knocking him, just a personal observation
Sal
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: franky on February 04, 2019, 10:10:49 PM
  ;D
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: Donnyboat on February 05, 2019, 03:41:44 AM
yes Sal, made me cringe when he placed the tail plate, on the edge of the orange tray, maybe the tray was plastic, but I think it was steel. I also like to roll the screws in grease head & threads, and a smear of grease on the end of the spool, and plates. cheers Don.
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: Reel 224 on February 05, 2019, 03:59:48 AM
Interesting to see someone else's work>

Joe
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: JRD on February 13, 2019, 12:33:13 AM
It's easy to grade some one else's work.  I'm cringing and shaking my head, and yet if it's working for him and his customers so be it.  Like most of us I would guess I learned what I know from Alan and a few others so for me that's the "right" way because it works and makes sense.  I do some things different and sometimes go further than what I've learned here when servicing reels but that's my OCD kicking in.  At least he knows a quality wrench when he sees one.  😁
Title: Re: Upgrades for a Penn 113h 4/0 Special
Post by: kmstorm64 on April 10, 2019, 06:32:28 PM
Most of his video's seem to contain reels that were ridden very hard and then put away with little thought to using them again.  That said in a few videos he talks about picking up reels in yard & garage sales. I wonder if it is stuff he has randomly picked up to use for his video's.