As mentioned earlier some information is added here on this plug. It has been very effective for us up north trolling for winter kings. The lures come In about 6-8 colors and types.
The whole herring is shown and is about 6 inches long, hollow plastic, and very light weight, the finish is very attractive and has great flash for visibility. Next is a Cut Plug, somewhat shorter, and is shaped like a cut plug. Then they make a half size replica of the whole herring and it's not popular here for king salmon.
The blue chrome is a good one, has a scent, hook pocket, and is rigged with a trailer hook from the factory. I change the siwash hook and retie the leader to about 6 feet, and add a size 1 or 1/0 thin treble as shown. More soon.
The blue one shown is popular here but there is other colors that work too.
These plugs are flat on the sides and with the curve shape will roll over in a barrel roll like a supposedly dieing herring. The water velocity will affect the size of loop and rpm of the lures.
We generally troll 1-3 mph, depending on the tide strength and direction.
The cut plug lures have a bevel and they spin over in a fairly tight and quicker rotation. I have not had good luck with this plug for kings but I'm thinking about using them for silver/coho trolling as they seem to like faster flashing moving lures.
The plug shown below is the Sardine, it's similar to the Watermelon plug but has a little more blue on it like the blue chrome shown earlier.
The pink yarn pcs shown are just tied with an overhand knot above the siwash and trimmed after the hook is pushed into the pocket. Various Scents can be added to the yarn that replaces the tiny sponge they come with. They have vent holes that allow them to fill up water in order to have the proper roll.
We generally retie with a 6-8 ft leader of 40# test.
Theplug shown below is a no sparkle blue color that has worked as well. They make some glow painted ones, I started with the green chrome and black chrome ones but now I'm partial to the blue colors.
Those things look sweet! Shoot, I wanna eat that!!
I'm gonna have to try one this year....
Glad these work out Gary. I'm waiting for David Hall to weigh in on whether these will work off of our coast. We mostly use Salmon Killers and Crocodiles. Dominick
Cool lures Gary. 8)
Very cool Gary. I like the look of these lures very much.
As we can only use one barbless hook here ocean fishing salmon in CA. I'm wondering about
rigging the Kandy to fish here and with a trailing hook from the side on a swivel, beyond the tail.
I'm not sure what that would do to the lures action?
What's the percentage of side lure hook to stinger hook ups you're getting?
Just being nosy.
I've been looking hard at both the Kandy as well as Dave's Super bait lures.
I need a few new toys to play with in 2019. ;D
-gary
Gary,
These roll when trolled, so can we attach them behind a dipsey diver with about 6 - 8 ft of leader material?
As I mentioned before the plug comes with about a 4/0 red steelhead trailer hooks. We lost a lot of fish hits as strikes until the little red trailer was replaced with a treble as shown.
It's my experience that the trailer hook is very important. 80% of our salmon are hooked with the back hook.
Try to keep the back hook from touching the plug as it affects the spin, and balance possibly. In California you May be allowed 2 hooks per angler? Use a thin wire treble.
It's my opinion that the fish strikes the hard plastic lure and spits it out asap. It's not soft like what they are usually feeding on. These fish never swallow it down, just saying.
Unfortunately, we can't use treble hooks for salmon here in CA...I'm pretty sure that we can use the single trailer though. I believe it has to be hard tied within 4" of the first hook. I'll have to look at the regs for trolling, but I've seen a lot of guys using the second hook.
Oops 🙊 after re reading the question stating one hook cal regs. The plug must be held in place on the leader as it slides up and down, it is held in place by the front siwash hook and fits snug in the pocket with the eye and yarn 🧶. Just tie on the treble and cut off the siwash and make sure the cut off part doesn't chafe the leader somehow. No big deal. Give these things a try. No flasher ok,
MI - We can use trebles for salmon. There was a 3 hooks per line limit before not sure of the new regs here in MI.
Gary, Could you please help me find your original thread on these plugs, the slow rolling plugs will work great for MI kings.
Gobi, This thread is just over a year old.
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=24163.0
I think this is what you were looking for.
Butt-man Gary can confirm.
-gary
Gary, why do you advocate "no flasher"? Flashers work very well in Norcal. As a matter of fact I have started using Flasher Man's spinning flashers. Dominick
Thanks for the questions. The king candy 🍭 plug is designed to roll slowly. When I saw your question Dommie I thought of adding some more information ℹ️. It seems like our winter fish are spooky. It just seems like we fish differently up here, the water we fish is fairly shallow compared to offshore trolling and maybe flashy scares them? We generally fish with 6-8 ft leaders. And yes it's more difficult to boat 🚣 a fish, check your gear, but it's generally the rule.
Recently the Blue Pearl whole herring has produced a Smiley 😊.
Here's the plug, complete w teeth marks. Good for cloudy water 💦. Like when we get wind and a bunch of rain ☔️.
We fish the. Shore line mostly, not open and deep r water. Usually the locals if you could believe them can be a short cut to your success. It's not easy , Time will tell..
Here is a little short clip of getting away from the house for a wintery spring morning. The weather broke for a couple of days, and the boat was already in the water. Here is the net result. pun intended. ;)
https://youtu.be/4Kzv4hR-Y6A
Water is like glass, wow.
So you troll 2 lines, did you ever end up with a tangle?
I found the king kandy online and bought a few for my spring trolling.
That short video made feel calm and serene. That was nice. Dominick
Looks like a nice couple of dinners.
Ron Jones
Thanks , usually o rod on each side of the boat 🚣♀️ is ok, we fish the rods about 90 degrees out from the boat gunnel this keeps the line s separate d as much as possible. Of coarse sharp turns mean cussing.🤦♀️
Occasionally a center rod can be used. Three people onboard usually means it is a party 🎉🎣🤪🌚🍺🏀🏈. I enjoy the serene atmosphere and a cool 😎 morning. Then the work starts,.🔚
I was recently gifted a new color in the whole herring size. It may work good in the cloudy water?
So tomorrow is the test day or the new color, it's marketed as chartreuse.
Hey Gary,
Look what UPS dropped off yesterday ;D
The line that came with it prerigged, is probably 15 lb mono, I will have ot re-tie everything,
What # mono do you suggest?
Do they make em in different sizes? cuz mine looks smaller than the ones you have in the pics.
Thanks for sharing your questions. The ones in your pictures are the smallest type this company currently makes, it's called the candlefish. Then they make a cut plug, and a mini whole herring. The plug I'm using is the largest plug, it's called the whole herring. I hope the ones you have work for you. I think you will have to troll faster to make them roll. I'm not really familiar with them for our kings here butt it's about the size of the feed coming out of a fish when cleaned.
Testing them is always fun, try the action of the lure before making any changes is my advice.🚣♀️🎣
oh, I missed that one huh,
Whole herring it is,
good idea, I need to find some open water near me or go to the river and check the action.
Yes, you needs to look at what you're lures doing in the water. Then you will know at what speed you need to troll, and. Get some time your lure.best of luck. Usually you can make some simple changes and make a bingo . 🎣
Recently the point Wilson people introduced a mini whole herring, it's just sized down from 6 to 4 inch.
It's yet to be on my boat 🚣♀️, we only have a couple of days left in our managed season. Butt this little guy has potential for sure. Just saying. Coho season is coming.🤞
For my fishing for these kings I'm thinking that the larger herring will give more visibility and the mouth is plenty big, but they may prefer a smaller snack more often? Anyway it's a very colorful lure.🤙
We use the whole herring size plug for the larger salmon, but the other sizes might produce as good.
This is all I can help you with.
This salmon was taking a plug as a feed. Very welcome 🙏
These plugs are designed to roll over in a circle about a foot or more in diameter when the speed and current flows around them. Many other plugs will spin in a tighter circle it seems. To me its a slower and more natural presentation. Cohos for instance seem to prefer a fast moving lure where we fish for them, with or without a flasher.
I cant wait to test the mini. I have not had good success yet with the candlefish plug yet. These will eventually get tested, and reported. ???
This fish took a blue chrome plug with a modified addition. A e-chip was removed from a flasher and epoxied to the side of the body in the center. I never used it much, until the last trip. The jury is you folks, It's got a lucky start, butt, was it just luck?
I'd be happy to hear from your opinions, and make some changes as needed. Thanks.🚶♀️
I have a better picture of the e-chip plug. The jury is still out, ;) butt ive got plans on putting another test plug togather with the e-chip placed in a 45 degree angle instead of the 90 degree of the one shown here. I,m not sure what to do actually, the idea seems sound and logical as it may act like a vane or rudder and affect the spin in a positive manner? I love being inventive and almost always mess with stuff to try to improve a store bought item. Generally there is a benefit. Butt nowadays everyone seems like the cost, time, possible failure ratio scares them back to the chair, sofa, or gym. Thanks for trying to understand retirement as you only go so many days left. :o
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p660/gst6814/DSC_0654%20-%20Copy%202_zpsgsi4atdl.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/gst6814/media/DSC_0654%20-%20Copy%202_zpsgsi4atdl.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p660/gst6814/DSC_0639_zpscqenrlvm.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/gst6814/media/DSC_0639_zpscqenrlvm.jpg.html)
The sun did finally come out that morning.
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p660/gst6814/DSC_0641_zpsmlufrs0t.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/gst6814/media/DSC_0641_zpsmlufrs0t.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p660/gst6814/DSC_0615_zpszoyytbsn.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/gst6814/media/DSC_0615_zpszoyytbsn.jpg.html)
I would think the chip would change the speed at which the lure roles over. You could use that to your advantag if you wanted to slow your troll.
Ron Jones
Man between working on my boat and recovering from working on my boat I've not been paying very close attention here and this thread escaped me until minutes ago. I have given the king Kandy a try here in our local waters Dominic and I've had zero luck with them so far. I must qualify this by saying that It is not uncommon for me to have to play around with leader lengths, flasher styles, hooks, to find the sweet spot of a particular lure. I have not adjusted anything on them since I initially retired them with single barbless hooks on short 24-30" leaders, I am re rigging them this year to run on a longer 48-60" leaders. I cannot believe they won't be productive, I created a squid jig with the the same color schemes and it has proven to be deadly so I haven't played with much else, once so get something that's working I tend to go with that until it stops working.
Every area seems to fish a herring differently it seems. Your open water trolling is quite a bit different than trolling the shoreline as we do here. We have folks here that use flashers, downriggers, etc. Butt I,m not changing too much gear as we had another short season.
Yes working on the boat seems like an eternal thing? ??? But neglect will cost you more, and a bigger sudden disapointment.... >:(
Yes, i also agree with the e-chip placement idea mentioned just previous as affecting the action of the tempermental plug. I did the first version at 90 degrees to the spine, and it does actually spin a little slower in rpm than a stock plug. So maybe this is good, as when we fish bait herring we try to slow the spin to a wider, slower arc diameter. Butt the jury is still out. More testing needs to be done. ;)
(https://oi1344.photobucket.com/albums/p660/gst6814/DSC_0606_zps8cbhczrn.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/gst6814/media/DSC_0606_zps8cbhczrn.jpg.html)