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Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn => Topic started by: 1badf350 on March 24, 2019, 04:21:40 PM

Title: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: 1badf350 on March 24, 2019, 04:21:40 PM
I picked up a well used 707 bailess. Unfortunately the emblem is long gone. I know this is a long shot but idoes anyone have one or know if anyone makes replicas?
Thanks
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: oc1 on March 24, 2019, 07:52:00 PM
There are a lot more Spinfishers out there than there are emblems to go with them.  Its the same with Alcido Microns.
-steve
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Darin Crofton on March 24, 2019, 08:21:03 PM
Hey Chris, While you're looking for an emblem try using an old Indian Head penny in it's place, looks really cool. I'll send you one if you want?
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: foakes on March 24, 2019, 09:36:43 PM
Just checked — have a few new sideplates — for greenies — but not for a 707.

Found  NOS 700, 704, 710, and 713.

Sorry,

Fred
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: 1badf350 on March 25, 2019, 01:40:13 PM
Thanks guys, I figured this would be a very hard to find piece. I will just be patient
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on March 25, 2019, 04:15:34 PM
A jewelry mold could be made,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: foakes on March 25, 2019, 04:53:46 PM
Yep, one will pop up —

Patience, as you said — along with keeping the request active and "out there", will likely succeed.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: 1badf350 on March 25, 2019, 05:01:46 PM
More than likely i will need to buy the side plate with emblem intact. Which is fine by me.
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: foakes on March 25, 2019, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: 1badf350 on March 25, 2019, 05:01:46 PM
More than likely i will need to buy the side plate with emblem intact. Which is fine by me.

Yep, I will keep an eye out...

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: oc1 on March 25, 2019, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: Benni3 on March 25, 2019, 04:15:34 PM
A jewelry mold could be made,,,, ;D
That would be a fun project.  There's a guy in Malaysia that casts replica emblems for Alcido Microns. 
-steve
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on July 04, 2019, 04:53:52 AM
Are they made out of bronze or brass?
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: George6308 on July 04, 2019, 05:13:03 AM
Greenies are made from a circle of Aluminum pressed in a die and copper /bronze colored. "Z"'s are an Aluminum disk pressed in a die and painted with reel model number. Both types are very thin metal.
There was a man in Florida called the "Reel Restorer" who had a generic replacement made for the Penn Spinfishers he restored, but who knows where he sourced them from. I believe he passed on a few years ago.
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on July 05, 2019, 07:48:31 PM
Quote from: George6308 on July 04, 2019, 05:13:03 AM
Greenies are made from a circle of Aluminum pressed in a die and copper /bronze colored. "Z"'s are an Aluminum disk pressed in a die and painted with reel model number. Both types are very thin metal.
There was a man in Florida called the "Reel Restorer" who had a generic replacement made for the Penn Spinfishers he restored, but who knows where he sourced them from. I believe he passed on a few years ago.
thanks for the info,,,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Cuttyhunker on July 07, 2019, 11:47:52 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-707Z-Fishing-Reel-Badge-Emblem-706-705-704-702-700/173949357872?hash=item2880308f30:g:PXYAAOSwXoZdGLpl

Chris
Not mine, he wants $20 for it.....
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Cuttyhunker on July 07, 2019, 07:08:18 PM
Chris,
My Bad, one of the crew here pointed out this is for a Z not greenie, however the seller seems to have other medallions......
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: oc1 on July 08, 2019, 12:30:13 AM
I have five green spinfishers and none of them have a medallion.  Some I lost myself way back when and some were bought more recently without one.  A reel that is well-used is much less likely to have one.  I wonder if the problem is not so much about being knocked around, but some sort of oxidation of the adhesive from exposure to the elements.

To Tony from Penn, do you guys still have the die those things were stamped with?

Out of curiosity, what are they worth?  Asking twenty bucks for a 'Z' series medallion sounds crazy.

-steve
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on July 08, 2019, 02:31:36 AM
Quote from: oc1 on July 08, 2019, 12:30:13 AM
I have five green spinfishers and none of them have a medallion.  Some I lost myself way back when and some were bought more recently without one.  A reel that is well-used is much less likely to have one.  I wonder if the problem is not so much about being knocked around, but some sort of oxidation of the adhesive from exposure to the elements.

To Tony from Penn, do you guys still have the die those things were stamped with?

Out of curiosity, what are they worth?  Asking twenty bucks for a 'Z' series medallion sounds crazy.

-steve
I have seen 706 for $15 to $20,,,,,,but that was 2years back,,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: wfjord on July 08, 2019, 03:03:14 AM
The old glue used to hold the emblems on my green spinfishers had definitely degraded and lost its adhesiveness.  They more or less fell off during cleaning or popped off when I slightly pried them; fortunately I didn't lose any.  I cleaned off the remnants of the old glue with a dental pick and reattached them with epoxy. Those emblems are very delicate.
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: foakes on July 08, 2019, 04:53:47 AM
One will likely pop up on ebay, or somewhere on here pretty soon.

If not, and it were mine —

I would take a 704 badge to a jeweler or trophy shop.  Then have them change the numeral 4 to a number 7.  Not too hard.  Just flatten out the 4 with a small punch + a watchmakers or jewelers anvil — smooth it so the 4 was never there.  Then delicately make a 7 to match the existing 7 — from the back side with tiny jewelers tools.  They have to tools, expertise, and skills to do this so that it would be a perfect match.

That is an expensive and rare reel.  It deserves a properly badged sideplate.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: oc1 on July 08, 2019, 08:02:09 AM
Quote from: oc1 on July 08, 2019, 12:30:13 AM
I have five green spinfishers and none of them have a medallion.
I lied.  One of them has a medallion. Seventy-five bucks takes the 716 medallion with free shipping.  For a hundred I'll include the reel.  :) :)
-steve

Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Caranx on July 08, 2019, 11:12:20 AM
Steve,
Are you going to epoxy that emblem in now before it's too late??😆
Aloha,
Stuart
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: oc1 on July 08, 2019, 07:25:12 PM
Quote from: Caranx on July 08, 2019, 11:12:20 AM
Steve,
Are you going to epoxy that emblem in now before it's too late??😆
Aloha,
Stuart
No, I'm going to pry it off and sell it on ebay.  ;)
-steve
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: George6308 on July 08, 2019, 08:13:11 PM
The one NOS 710 Greenie side plate I have, had the emblem fall off when I dropped it onto the floor. They seemed to have been glued on with some type of rubber cement. I use Wellwood contact cement to reattach they, both the greenie's and the lasted "Z's".
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Caranx on July 08, 2019, 11:39:25 PM
Quote from: oc1 on July 08, 2019, 07:25:12 PM
Quote from: Caranx on July 08, 2019, 11:12:20 AM
Steve,
Are you going to epoxy that emblem in now before it's too late??😆
Aloha,
Stuart
No, I'm going to pry it off and sell it on ebay.  ;)
-steve

Even better yet!!! 👍🏼🧐😀
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: oc1 on July 11, 2019, 08:37:06 PM
I really screwed-up this little project.... not once, but twice.  I don't know why anyone would want to do it, but it is probably possible.
-steve

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion1.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion2.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion3.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion4.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion5.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion6.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion7.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion8.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion9.jpg)

Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Crow on July 11, 2019, 08:56:00 PM
I think you're on the right track, Steve !
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Alto Mare on July 11, 2019, 09:03:59 PM
Quote from: oc1 on July 11, 2019, 08:37:06 PM
I really screwed-up this little project.... not once, but twice.  I don't know why anyone would want to do it, but it is probably possible.
-steve

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion1.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion2.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion3.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion4.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion5.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion6.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion7.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion8.jpg)

(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/medallion9.jpg)


You might think you've screwed up, but I don't think so.
I'm learning quite a bit from you.
You keep on screwing up, just don't ever Give it up😉.
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on July 12, 2019, 12:24:03 AM
I did see online where this man was making them out of plastic or something,,,,,it like your on to something,,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: George6308 on July 12, 2019, 12:55:53 AM
Micro-mark carries the casting supplies but they do not seem to be cost effective.
A 3D printer could also be used to reproduce the emblem if anybody has access to a 3D printer. Shapeways can also reproduce it in plastic or various metals via 3D printing if one has no access to a 3D printer however I do not know what the cost would be.
Both methods are used by Model Railroaders.
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: oc1 on July 12, 2019, 05:07:13 AM
Our kid has 3D printers.  But, the medallion is different on every model so each one would have to be scanned and digitized.  Setting up the cam program to feed into the printer and all that stuff is the hard and tedious part.  I doubt that there would be enough demand to justify it.

The time required for a one-off casting would be a fraction of the time required for a one-off 3D printing.

-steve
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on November 17, 2019, 03:19:41 AM
After 9 mouths I got a 707 it's on its way,,,, :D I'm hoping I can reproduce the emblem,,,,, ;) but let's see what happens,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: 1badf350 on November 17, 2019, 10:55:21 AM
I saw that Benni that was a great buy!
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on November 26, 2019, 08:09:58 PM
My friend who's a jeweler said it might be possible,,,, ;) but this emblem is stamped super thin and bronze plated,,,,,he might be able to make a mold and do it out of stright bronze,,,,,this might work if it does how many people out there wants one,,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: oc1 on November 26, 2019, 08:21:38 PM
I'll take a couple just to keep him at it.  No telling where it could lead.
-steve
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on November 27, 2019, 12:33:47 AM
Quote from: oc1 on November 26, 2019, 08:21:38 PM
I'll take a couple just to keep him at it.  No telling where it could lead.
-steve
that's what I was thinking and I have committed to making the mold and 5 at $125 so I thinking $25 each to break even,,,but I'm not talking orders yet just want to know who wants 1,,,,, :D if it works,,,,maybe 5 not enough,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: 1badf350 on November 27, 2019, 12:42:27 AM
I need one
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on November 27, 2019, 12:47:33 AM
Quote from: 1badf350 on November 27, 2019, 12:42:27 AM
I need one
no problem man,,,,,,, ;) if this works,,, :) ,,,,,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on February 08, 2020, 03:00:47 AM
I might actually happen,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on February 08, 2020, 03:22:21 AM
Quote from: 1badf350 on November 27, 2019, 12:42:27 AM
I need one
Oh,,,,do you want it in bronze or 14k,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: oc1 on February 08, 2020, 06:15:54 AM
Dang!  They're beautiful Benny.  Let me know when they're available.
-steve
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: 1badf350 on February 08, 2020, 07:43:03 AM
Quote from: Benni3 on February 08, 2020, 03:22:21 AM
Quote from: 1badf350 on November 27, 2019, 12:42:27 AM
I need one
Oh,,,,do you want it in bronze or 14k,,,,, ;D
I forgot all about this. I sold the reel i needed this for, but im definitely still in for one.
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: wfjord on February 08, 2020, 05:40:20 PM
Nice!  I'd order one except I don't have a 707 in my stash of greenies.
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on February 09, 2020, 07:14:12 PM
Here's some pictures of the process,,,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on February 18, 2020, 09:37:44 PM
Just got the first 1,,,,,, ;) they are a hair smaller because of the mold process,,,, :D but they look great,,,,,if any body wants 1 let me know he is working on them now $25 each or I will just put them on ebay,,,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Alto Mare on February 18, 2020, 10:26:17 PM
That looks great Benni, if you put them on eBay, price them right.😉

Sal
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: PacRat on February 18, 2020, 11:13:55 PM
These look great. If they become popular I would suggest possibly doing some with no number at all because it would be more versatile and people would know that it's a re-production. Don't take this wrong I think these reproductions are superior to the factory original medallions but a collector could know at a glance that it's not original (if they didn't have model no.s).
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on February 19, 2020, 01:53:01 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 18, 2020, 10:26:17 PM
That looks great Benni, if you put them on eBay, price them right.😉

Sal
Thanks uncle sal,,,,, ;) I will go by the code,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on February 19, 2020, 02:07:05 AM
Quote from: PacRat on February 18, 2020, 11:13:55 PM
These look great. If they become popular I would suggest possibly doing some with no number at all because it would be more versatile and people would know that it's a re-production. Don't take this wrong I think these reproductions are superior to the factory original medallions but a collector could know at a glance that it's not original (if they didn't have model no.s).

thanks my friend,,,,, :D very good idea,,,I didn't think of that,,,,I just seen alot of 707,,,,,706 with no emblems on ebay and my friend is a jeweler and a does amazing work and if we need him for another project,,,he will be glad to help,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on February 22, 2020, 08:47:04 PM
We got 2 more made this week it's a difficult process,,,, :D but the cat was happy we got the sideplate back on the 707,,,,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: 1badf350 on February 22, 2020, 10:15:48 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Alto Mare on February 22, 2020, 11:40:23 PM
very nice!
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Erich_K on October 28, 2020, 01:20:12 AM
Benny, Sent you an email today. I reeeeally need one for a 707 if you have one. Let me know. Thank you

Quote from: Benni3 on February 18, 2020, 09:37:44 PM
Just got the first 1,,,,,, ;) they are a hair smaller because of the mold process,,,, :D but they look great,,,,,if any body wants 1 let me know he is working on them now $25 each or I will just put them on ebay,,,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on October 28, 2020, 02:30:48 AM
Quote from: Erich_K on October 28, 2020, 01:20:12 AM
Benny, Sent you an email today. I reeeeally need one for a 707 if you have one. Let me know. Thank you

Quote from: Benni3
link=topic=28085.msg354281#msg354281 date=1582061864

Just got the first 1,,,,,, ;) they are a hair smaller because of the mold process,,,, :D but they look great,,,,,if any body wants 1 let me know he is working on them now $25 each or I will just put them on ebay,,,,,,,, ;D
I got it boxed up and going to ship it to Chris tomorrow if that works,,,,,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: Need an emblem for 707 greenie
Post by: Benni3 on October 29, 2020, 01:12:39 AM
Tracking# 9500 117 5434 0302 5679 51 and don't worry about payment,,,, ;) I'm in this to far,,,,,, :D it's copper not bronze,,, :( but he's going to make some more,,,,,, ;D