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Title: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: mo65 on April 01, 2019, 09:09:49 AM
   Chester recently posted a link to schematics of these 900 series reels. I was shocked to see the design of these reels. I never suspected a South Bend to be this solid. It also had a few unique features that caught my eye. I had one of these I had never opened...time to take a peek!
   Popping off the side plate presents a familiar sight. The cherished "worm drive" design! The parts look very Shakespeare. There was only one layer of grease, and that was a welcome sight, as the reel appears lightly used. The black arrow points to the level wind lever screw which is left hand thread.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7865/46599883865_f10cac6fd2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dZSzXx)

   The anti-reverse design on this reel is too cool. At first it seems a bit over complicated, but it functions perfectly, and keeps stress off the gears' teeth. The cam lowers the arm, which presses the pawl away from the pinion disengaging the anti-reverse. The green arrow points to a cup with a spring behind it which keeps the AR engaged. The white arrow points to the lip which contacts the pinion. There is very little back play in the design.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7893/47515378021_7a4c046c27_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2foLJtx)

   The drag is a classic 3-stack, but I wasn't excited to see the oiled felt washers. I haven't had great success with those felts, but I was determined to give them a fair shake.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7849/47515377901_176ebe33b0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2foLJrt)

   A closer look at the felt washer reveals a lot of dirt. I bet that felt holds sand and crud very well. Any chance of these being smooth would mean cleaning them.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7853/47515377821_bc0105fb77_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2foLJq6)

   Cleaned, dried, and ready to oil again. The performance improved, but we still had issues. For some reason the drag was "pumping". As line was pulled off the spool, the pressure varied up and down...hmm...:-\ Also there was some pretty bad "chatter" at high settings.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7871/47515377731_679ddab195_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2foLJox)

   Looking everything over, I noticed where the spool rides on the under gear washer there was paint over spray on half the surface, just like the area the blue arrow identifies on the rotor. The orange arrow shows the bottom of the spool polished smooth, thanks to my trusty wine cork/sandpaper tool. No more pumping! Either the paint was slicker than the bare surface or vise versa. Unfortunately, the chatter at high settings remained, which would limit smooth drag to lower settings only. Although this would be fine for most ultralight uses, it's no good for me. I plan to push this one beyond original intentions...I wanna work this dog!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7897/47462643972_e859f14443_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fj7stN)

   Carbon fiber time! Penn's #6-155 size HT-100s drop right in with a hair trimmed off the outer edge. Slathered with Cal's Purple, these drags made a huge difference. Smooth at all settings, no start up, no chatter, no pinch, no stink. Wait a minute...wrong commercial...:D

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7868/47515377631_529bee01d3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2foLJmP)

   The photo below shows the inside of the rotor, which South Bend calls the "pickup housing". They tout it as being sealed to keep bearings dry. I'm not sure how that works out, but there are a few cool features in there. The yellow arrow points to the area that houses the bail release plunger, which appears to be sealed on the outside. The red arrow identifies the bail stop, which will bend down and allow the bail spring to decompress. Also...there are no balance weights...South Bend says it is dynamically balanced.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7920/47462644482_9d0029bb38_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fj7sCA)

   Here's a different view of that bail release plunger indicated by the purple arrow. I really like the bail system on this reel, it seems rock solid.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7873/47462644312_e2aaffcf1d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fj7szE)

   I pictured these parts with tools for a reason...just look at 'em...they are tool quality pieces. No pot metal, no aluminum, no alloys, not even any brass! Every piece in this thing is steel. It looks like stainless...made yesterday...not near 50 years ago!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7833/46599884385_1eb33348fc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dZSA7v)

   I greased the gears with Superlube and used CorrosionX HD in the bearing. Note that little bit of Penn blue grease around the level wind lever. That was just to cause confusion.  ;D

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7833/47462644222_15d1174151_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fj7sy7)

   Although I really like the torpedo style handle knobs, I think this aftermarket knob will look killer on this reel.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7859/46599884145_94473844a4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dZSA3n)

   Yeah...killer indeed. 8)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7887/47462644072_0d97e7dbeb_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fj7svw)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7801/46599883695_2a0e4a2bff_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dZSzUB)


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: festus on April 01, 2019, 09:36:28 AM
Glad to see this thread pop up, Mo65, I just got back from the mailbox and have unpacked a South Bend Classic 960, which is the big boy of the classic series.  Your's looks more mint than mine.

Got a question.  When you removed the drive gear, pinion gear, and oscillating lever, did the anti-reverse assembly stay intact with no springs flying to infinity?  Looks like everything is either secured by screws or c-clips.

I don't know how you get your pictures so clear.  Do you use photo editing software?  I use an old Nikon D80 that's probably 12 years old.  Sometimes I use a free photo editing program (Photo Pad Image Editor) that's very limited.

Whenever I get around to servicing this one, I'll start a new thread, perhaps the moderators can begin a South Bend section because there are more models out there worth a look. Lots of anglers used various South Bends in my neck-of-the-woods growing up in the 1960s. 

Again, thanks for posting these pics, it'll make it easier for me.   


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: mo65 on April 01, 2019, 09:58:13 AM
  When you removed the drive gear, pinion gear, and oscillating lever, did the anti-reverse assembly stay intact with no springs flying to infinity?  Looks like everything is either secured by screws or c-clips.  

   Yes, the AR assembly stays intact unless you pull the c-clips. If you look close...you'll see the design on mine is a bit different than the schematic.

I don't know how you get your pictures so clear.  Do you use photo editing software? 

   I use an Olympus TG-2. Pro photographers hate digital cameras...they allow a hack like me to get professional results.


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: Midway Tommy on April 01, 2019, 11:03:10 AM
Well done, Mike! Nice explanation!


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: oc1 on April 01, 2019, 11:27:45 AM
Nice reel.  Nice pointy arrows.  Nice photos.  I think your secret is the lighting.  Nice ABU wrench too.
-steve


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: happyhooker on April 01, 2019, 12:28:01 PM
Good resource for future excursions into SB land.

Frank


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: mo65 on April 12, 2019, 03:15:07 PM
   I've been watching for another of these jewels but haven't seen any for sale. Who's holding all 925s? :-\


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: festus on April 12, 2019, 03:29:16 PM
There is an ultralight SB Classic 360 on ebay, but very doubtful it's as good as the 925.  It doesn't have the worm gear setup, just a simple sliding oscillator that rides on a stud on the main gear.  Bet it's cheaper metal inside too.  $29.95 shipped.  At most I might give them $15-$18 shipped.


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: festus on July 09, 2019, 02:20:28 PM
Those South Bend 925 sell fast.  I saw one on ebay buy it now.  Had only been listed for 12 minutes.  I clicked on it to check it out and it had already been sold.  :D


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: Gfish on July 09, 2019, 04:26:09 PM
Cool. You guys, Mike, Chester, Tommy, Fred, Sal and others, have really opened up my eyes to these 60's & 70's mostly metal spinners. "Value" reels, in todays market, IMO. When I's a kid, people who could afford quality spinning reels all seemed to have DAM Quick's and Mitchell Garcia's, but there's so much more out there...Keep it up!


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: PacRat on July 27, 2019, 08:30:23 PM
I would classify these 925s above the Shakespeare 2052 simply because of the drag set-up. Mechanically the drive-train is equal but the Shakes have that plastic spool and sloppy drag (especially the later ones with the plastic click-gear/spool arbor). I still love my Shakespeare but the SB  seems to win the day in the drag department once it's upgraded. I would choose the 925 over the 2052 when there's a chance of hooking a larger fish...either will do just fine for smaller fish. The 925 seems like you can fish it much heavier than it was designed for.
-Mike


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: mo65 on November 22, 2019, 09:16:15 AM
The 925 seems like you can fish it much heavier than it was designed for.
-Mike

   Yes sir...that's a safe assumption right there. I can't imagine that drive train ever getting stressed.  8)


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: mo65 on February 05, 2020, 11:08:02 AM
   I picked up another one of these 925s. The badge on the side stated 930, but a quick side by side with my "real" 925 told me I'd been had yet again. Oh what the hell, who doesn't need two 925s? I did the smart thing and removed the 930 badge for a future buy. At least 50% of the 930s sold on fleabay this year had no badge. Bring on a nameless bargain! :D
    The only other problem was the drag click spring...the first photo show how it was stretched out and not working. The second pic illustrates the spring corrected, the badge removed, and a larger handle knob. The knob on the right is the little 925 knob. The one I'll be using is the 935 knob on the left. The last shot is the finished reel...ready to fish way beyond it's original intentions. 8)


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: xjchad on February 05, 2020, 11:33:44 AM
Nice Mo!
I love my 935!
I wish they made a 910 or 915 for UL setups.

I think Fred has a bunch of those badges...


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: mo65 on February 05, 2020, 04:18:02 PM
I wish they made a 910 or 915 for UL setups.

I think Fred has a bunch of those badges...

   The 925 is very small Chad. I'd call it an ultralight even though it is heavy by today's standards. It's the same size as the Daiwa 8100 and the Shakespeare 2052, but an even more stout build. It's a reel made entirely of stainless steel...the extra few ounces don't bother me a bit.
   I think Fred only has the 935 badges. He sent me a bag of them. I sifted through them and found a "factory second" that was missing the tint they put on the badges. I figured I might as well slap it on this reel until a 925 badge shows.


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: xjchad on February 05, 2020, 07:52:32 PM
Thanks Mo, I'm glad to hear that!
I'll be on the hunt for one now!

Anyone have a 925 they'd like to trade?
Any condition!


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: DougK on February 06, 2020, 12:01:08 PM
they are tough to find, don't think I've seen even one recently..
dozens of 930s though, I have one of those and it's a terrific reel, but a bit larger than useful for me.. need to take it carp fishing or summat..


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: mo65 on February 11, 2020, 10:00:27 AM
They are tough to find, don't think I've seen even one recently...

   I'm noticing this myself, and not a lot of any models coming up much lately.

Anyone have a 925 they'd like to trade?
Any condition!

   I've been looking for a deal on a 112H Chad...preferably an older one with the white handle knob.  I'd be willing to trade this latest 925 for one in decent shape.


Title: Re: Looking at the South Bend Classic 925
Post by: xjchad on February 11, 2020, 10:22:05 AM

Anyone have a 925 they'd like to trade?
Any condition!

   I've been looking for a deal on a 112H Chad...preferably an older one with the white handle knob.  I'd be willing to trade this latest 925 for one in decent shape.

Thanks Mo, I've got a couple, but I don't think they'd be up to par.  I'll take a look and get back to you  :)