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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn 99/Jigmaster/SurfMaster/Squidder Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Decker on April 04, 2019, 09:27:10 AM



Title: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Decker on April 04, 2019, 09:27:10 AM
Does anyone know (or could measure) if the spool shaft on a Jigmaster 501 spool is the same as the one on a Surfmaster 100 spool?  

Trying to find out to give an answer to Randy, pertaining to using the Tiburon XN16 kit with the Penn 100 or 180 or 27 reels:   https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=28078.msg323968#msg323968

Thanks.


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Decker on April 04, 2019, 11:33:40 AM
A Jigmaster 501(not 510), right?

Right, G.  I fixed it.


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Fishy247 on April 04, 2019, 02:47:20 PM
I'd like to see if that p16xn would work too. Some colored monofil plates on an XN frame sounds cool...


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 04, 2019, 04:58:33 PM
I'd like to see if that p16xn would work too. Some colored monofil plates on an XN frame sounds cool...
Great idea, I have a 26 monofil with green plates, I'll try it on my silver p16xn kit later tonight and report back . . .


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Bryan Young on April 04, 2019, 05:19:39 PM
Does anyone know (or could measure) if the spool shaft on a Jigmaster 501 spool is the same as the one on a Surfmaster 100 spool?  

Trying to find out to give an answer to Randy, pertaining to using the Tiburon XN16 kit with the Penn 100 or 180 or 27 reels:   https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=28078.msg323968#msg323968

Thanks.

Iíll check later tonight when I get home. I think I have both spools.


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Porthos on April 04, 2019, 05:43:15 PM
No.

Confirmed via the early days of the Franken-Penn 27 project. The 500 pinion was loose around the 29L-100 spool shaft.


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Ron Jones on April 04, 2019, 06:35:44 PM
I'm Gonna say it!
We need these spools, Their MAGNUM Surfmaster Spools! Could you imagine a set of Tom's plates that run Jigmaster guts on a Narrow Surfmaster? Unbelievably awesome!

I know I'm not the only one who sees it, 5:1 XN Surfmaster!

Ron Jones


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Decker on April 04, 2019, 06:46:42 PM
I'd like to see if that p16xn would work too. Some colored monofil plates on an XN frame sounds cool...
Great idea, I have a 26 monofil with green plates, I'll try it on my silver p16xn kit later tonight and report back . . .


Darin, the Monofil is not going to work with the narrow Squidder spool that came with the kit, because the Squidder spool shaft is longer.  The idea was that Tiburon might be able to put a Jigmaster spool shaft from the P21XN  into the spool of the P16XN.  Would be cool, but according to Porthos... :P :


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Darin Crofton on April 04, 2019, 06:48:48 PM
I'd like to see if that p16xn would work too. Some colored monofil plates on an XN frame sounds cool...
Great idea, I have a 26 monofil with green plates, I'll try it on my silver p16xn kit later tonight and report back . . .


Darin the Monofil is not going to work with the narrow Squidder spool that came with the kit, because the Squidder spool shaft is longer.  The idea was that Tiburon might be able to put a Jigmaster spool shaft from the P21XN  into the spool of the P16XN.  Would be cool, but according to Porthos... :P :
Thanks, saved me from heartache  ;D


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Bryan Young on April 04, 2019, 09:26:53 PM
67.3 mm for the 100 spool and 501 spool


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Fishy247 on April 05, 2019, 07:09:11 AM
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Quote from: Fishy247 on April 04, 2019, 02:47:20 PM

I'd like to see if that p16xn would work too. Some colored monofil plates on an XN frame sounds cool...

Great idea, I have a 26 monofil with green plates, I'll try it on my silver p16xn kit later tonight and report back . . .


Darin, the Monofil is not going to work with the narrow Squidder spool that came with the kit, because the Squidder spool shaft is longer.  The idea was that Tiburon might be able to put a Jigmaster spool shaft from the P21XN  into the spool of the P16XN.  Would be cool, but according to Porthos... Tongue

Hmm...would it be a matter of simply removing some of the material from the end of the Squidder spool shaft, or would one need to move the shoulders down as well?


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Ron Jones on April 05, 2019, 07:12:52 AM
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Hmm...would it be a matter of simply removing some of the material from the end of the Squidder spool shaft, or would one need to move the shoulders down as well?
My thought exactly. I'm pretty sure the pinion will fit on either spool, so you should be able to hack off the bearing support and be good. Pretty spendy goof if I'm wrong. Still like the idea of the XN Magnum the best. Anybody got a set of Accurate Squidder Magnum plates they want to try?
Ron Jones


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Decker on April 05, 2019, 07:31:37 AM
67.3 mm for the 100 spool and 501 spool

Bryan, thanks;  same length.  What about diameter measurement?  Porthos seems to be saying there is a difference.


No.

Confirmed via the early days of the Franken-Penn 27 project. The 500 pinion was loose around the 29L-100 spool shaft.

I guess Alan (PC) would know because he he sell both spools.


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Fishy247 on April 05, 2019, 09:48:39 AM
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Hmm...would it be a matter of simply removing some of the material from the end of the Squidder spool shaft, or would one need to move the shoulders down as well?

My thought exactly. I'm pretty sure the pinion will fit on either spool, so you should be able to hack off the bearing support and be good. Pretty spendy goof if I'm wrong. Still like the idea of the XN Magnum the best. Anybody got a set of Accurate Squidder Magnum plates they want to try?
Ron Jones

Well I've got a 25 and a 26 I can try out, along with a P16XN frame/spool...not sure when I will have time to try, but I can see if I can figure out where it would need to be trimmed to


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Swami805 on April 05, 2019, 10:09:30 AM
I checked mine last night and the difference I saw was in the narrow end of the shaft on the handle side is a different length. I donít have calipers to check it but looks like it wouldnít work. Also they have different size clicker gears but that would be easy to change


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Ron Jones on April 05, 2019, 10:37:07 AM
The big issue is that the pinion notch on the shaft is different. In order to make a 100xn Tiburon would have to make a whole new shaft. They already make 100 spools, so they have the profile, they just need to put it on a narrow shaft.
Ron Jones


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Decker on April 05, 2019, 01:25:16 PM
Thanks for all the feedback and interest, gents.


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: farmer56 on April 07, 2019, 12:09:28 PM
  farmer56  here     we  also  have   a  smaller  line  out  clicker  star  that  is    aprox.  .125"   smaller on  the  surfmaster  100    vs.  squidder   ...  dont  know  size  on  jigmaster     


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: thorhammer on April 07, 2019, 05:03:29 PM
I'm Gonna say it!
We need these spools, Their MAGNUM Surfmaster Spools! Could you imagine a set of Tom's plates that run Jigmaster guts on a Narrow Surfmaster? Unbelievably awesome!

I know I'm not the only one who sees it, 5:1 XN Surfmaster!

Ron Jones

Tom's plates have BB's...wouldn't that make it a Squidder magnum at this point?


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: Ron Jones on April 07, 2019, 05:42:51 PM
The Squidder Magnum uses Jigmaster guts. This gives the reel a higher gear ratio. The magnum needs a spool and side plates. Tiburon currently makes the required parts for the spool, and Tom has made sideplates for both reels and would just have to figure out how to merge the drawings the way only he can. I don't know that this would ever get off the ground, but it is probably the most useful iteration of old Penn reels for today. A great 30# reel for braid with enough speed to work the iron and drag to bring in anything you would want to fish a 30# rig with. I'd call it the Cedros special.

Ron Jones


Title: Re: Spool shaft specs -- Jigmaster 501 versus Surfmaster 100
Post by: thorhammer on April 07, 2019, 05:51:08 PM
100 percent agree....my sausage thumb doesn't fit the XN but a magged 145 width,  Magnum Cortez Classic Squidder in green...my unicorn.