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Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => D.A.M. Quick => Topic started by: basto on April 10, 2019, 12:01:59 PM



Title: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 10, 2019, 12:01:59 PM
I got this reel in the post yesterday.

(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050857_zpsg1xnizu3.jpg)
(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050856_zpstifc4e4f.jpg)
(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050859_zps2eoooeia.jpg)
(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050860_zpsg2pmpvgh.jpg)
(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050864_zpstbplab48.jpg)

i bought this reel new 34 years ago

(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/2014-09-11071846_zpsd4a9bc1f.jpg)

I left it at my parents house a few years later and forgot what happened to it.
I thought I must have sold it. I came across it at my brothers house recently and it was not working, and he gave it to me.

The bail was frozen and it needs a new pinion bearing. It is a sad sight.
Now I have some work to do.
Greg


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Midway Tommy on April 10, 2019, 12:12:51 PM
Looks like you have your hands full, Greg. We all know, though, that you are quite up to the challenge!  ;)


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 10, 2019, 12:42:39 PM
Thanks Tommy. I like the anti reverse on this one ,compared to my 330 and 280 etc. Its just like a Cardinal.
34 years ago I bought it because I was impressed with the drag.
cheers
Greg


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: happyhooker on April 11, 2019, 06:32:28 PM
Let us know how it turns out.

Frank


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 11, 2019, 08:38:49 PM
Hi Frank
I got a lot of fine sand and dirt out of the reel and got the bail working again

(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050879_zpsc8pfb5eb.jpg)(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050866_zpspjjexmpz.jpg)
(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050878_zpsiglk6eeb.jpg)

I like the anti reverse pawl working on the pinion.
(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050868_zpsr9t0ww8b.jpg)

surprised to see the bearing is smaller than the 330 bearing.
(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/pinion%20bearings_zps0flptlai.jpg)

I have a new bearing on order. All should be good then.

cheers
Greg


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: mhc on April 12, 2019, 02:15:02 AM
Good recovery work Greg, those D.A.M. look like they will last forever in the right hands.

Mike 


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Alto Mare on April 12, 2019, 02:17:47 AM
Nice reel Greg! it landed in good hands, I'm sure it will be better than even when you get done with it.

Sal


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: nagant on April 12, 2019, 06:39:57 AM
Glad you can save it, thanks for the nice pictures too.


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: mo65 on April 12, 2019, 06:45:45 AM
I've been on the prowl for a 3001, fantastic reels, she'll be good as new Basto! 8)


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 12, 2019, 12:41:04 PM
Thanks guys for the kind remarks.  I have cleaned up the drag a bit, which are about 2mm thick felt washers, but I will cut some carbontex for it.
Greg
(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050886_zpscicdqsth.jpg)


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 12, 2019, 03:26:37 PM
Well that didn't`t take long. Carbontex and a bit of Cal`s, and there is one under the spool too.

(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050887_zpsan6yptyo.jpg)


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Donnyboat on April 12, 2019, 04:14:30 PM
Hi Greg, thanks for this post & pics, you have it looking nice now, like some one said, your up to the challenge, well done, cheers Don.


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Rivverrat on April 12, 2019, 05:31:14 PM
Greg, this is a Freaking Fantastic reel !! 

I to have been looking for one. I have two 5001's they will remain with me & be fished until my dying day. Dont let the smaller bearing in the 3001 bother you one bit. It is just fine. It just goes to show how over built the earlier models were. The anti reverse as you've noticed is very stout & as bullet proof as any other design I've seen in a spinner... Jeff


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: happyhooker on April 12, 2019, 06:23:32 PM
Ditto what the others said; very interesting.

Frank


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 12, 2019, 11:45:16 PM
Thanks Don, Jeff and Frank for the replies. Can't wait until that bearing arrives now.
Look after those 5001 reels Jeff.
Greg


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Alto Mare on April 13, 2019, 04:37:13 AM
Greg, somehow parts for these reels are harder to find, compared to the earlier models. I know Fred has all of us covered, but just in case a part is giving you a hard time, let me know if I could help.
I purchased these about a year ago, the parts were around $500, but shipping was really high, I think around $200.
The gentleman actually made a mistake quoting me, he was about $100 short, but I took care of it.
(https://i.imgur.com/IEElYTM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KjK1ZhZ.jpg)

I would need the bad part though, most of these got mixed up during shipping.

Sal


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Rivverrat on April 13, 2019, 07:25:54 AM
Greg, I'm curious to know how your drag comes out as compared to the original.
 
 My testing has shown the simple asbestos, cork drag on my 5001's to not be lacking in any way. Start up resistance, smoothness, & heat resistance in these is not surpassed by any reel today. Except by maybe the new Stella or new this year Diawa Exist. That is saying a lot. So at present I'm choosing to not mess with a good thing. I did lightly grease the cork washer below the spool.  Lost a little bit of upper drag. But hey, all these models make more than enough "Fishable" drag to spare. 
 
  Please give us report on how your new carbon drag works out... Jeff

 


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 13, 2019, 01:27:32 PM
Sal
I will keep you in mind if I need a part for the 3001, thanks.
The 3001 was only made from 1980-1982. I think I paid about $300.00AUD in 1985 for mine, and I never knew anyone else who had one.
A fishing writer called Vic McCristal in Australia used to write about the 1000-5000 series and I had to have a DAM.
My first one was a 220. Vic also got me into ABU reels.


Jeff
Both drag washers in my reel are the same. Felt but no cork. They were in such a bad state with fine sand and dirt on them, I decided on carbontex, but I won't be throwing them out. I will give a report on how the reel performs when I can get on the water.


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Rivverrat on April 13, 2019, 02:20:53 PM
Greg it looks like they used asbestos on the bottom of the spool also. The 5001 & think the 4001used a cork washer.


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Alto Mare on April 13, 2019, 03:01:09 PM
Sal
I will keep you in mind if I need a part for the 3001, thanks.
The 3001 was only made from 1980-1983. I think I paid about $300.00AUD in 1985 for mine, and I never knew anyone else who had one.
A fishing writer called Vic McCristal in Australia used to write about the 1000-5000 series and I had to have a DAM.
My first one was a 220. Vic also got me into ABU reels.


Jeff
Both drag washers in my reel are the same. Felt but no cork. They were in such a bad state with fine sand and dirt on them, I decided on carbontex, but I won't be throwing them out. I will give a report on how the reel performs when I can get on the water.
That explains why these parts are so hard to find, Greg.
I wonder why such a short run, it's a great reel.

Sal


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Rivverrat on April 13, 2019, 03:28:48 PM
Sal, I've wondered the same about these reels. I know they were pricey for the time they were made.

 Wonder how many of the 01series were made ?


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: happyhooker on April 13, 2019, 05:31:51 PM
Those reading these posts: if you have not read foakes post on this AT site from last Sept. on the 5001, take a peek, and, especially, look at the Hawk article referred to.  I gather much said about the 5001 applies to the 3001 and other reels of this series. Also discusses Sal's question about the short run of the 3001.

Frank


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 17, 2019, 04:26:46 PM
I got my new pinion bearing this morning and after polishing the inside of the pinion shaft with some Autosol paste and installing it, the reel feels very nice again. Surprisingly, the spool shaft was in very good condition and now my old 3001 is ready for some 40lb Sunline braid.
Greg

(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/3001%20bearing_zpsrxsjrq80.jpg)
(https://oi1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1050897_zpsqcq47yl3.jpg)


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 18, 2019, 01:09:25 PM
Greg it looks like they used asbestos on the bottom of the spool also. The 5001 & think the 4001used a cork washer.


Jeff
I am going back to the original drag washers after what Alan Hawk said about the top washer in the 5001
They do feel very smooth since I have cleaned them up.
Greg


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Midway Tommy on April 18, 2019, 06:40:52 PM
Looks great, Greg! Now take him out there and catch some fish for an even better reunion!  ;D


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Donnyboat on April 18, 2019, 06:54:24 PM
looks Great Greg, you said the bail was frozen, did you take any pics as you worked on the bail, they can be tricky to put back together, you have really put some years of life back into the reel, great job, enjoy, cheers Don.


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 18, 2019, 11:57:46 PM
Looks great, Greg! Now take him out there and catch some fish for an even better reunion!  ;D


Looking forward to it Tommy


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 19, 2019, 12:02:52 AM
looks Great Greg, you said the bail was frozen, did you take any pics as you worked on the bail, they can be tricky to put back together, you have really put some years of life back into the reel, great job, enjoy, cheers Don.


Hi Don
I didn't`t take any pics of the bail apart sorry mate. I know exactly what you mean though .I am usually a bit intimidated by bail mechanisms and take things very cautiously.


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Rivverrat on April 19, 2019, 05:20:45 AM
 Greg, not sure how the drag on these reels do with repeated long runs using 60 - 80 line with appropriate drag.
 Fish I'm after dont do this. The drag set on yours I'm venturing it would be a non issue. I do wonder about the cork or whatever the washer is that's glued to the bottom of the spool. But this far its proved to pretty durable... Jeff


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: foakes on April 19, 2019, 06:43:46 AM
Excellent job!

Best,

Fred


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 19, 2019, 01:22:11 PM
Greg, not sure how the drag on these reels do with repeated long runs using 60 - 80 line with appropriate drag.
 Fish I'm after dont do this. The drag set on yours I'm venturing it would be a non issue. I do wonder about the cork or whatever the washer is that's glued to the bottom of the spool. But this far its proved to pretty durable... Jeff


Yes Jeff, I have never had a reel with a cork drag. Don't know much about them, but have seen some quality reels with them.
One thing I am going to add is the separator washer that sits between the metal drag washer and the plastic spool cap to stop heat affecting the plastic cap.  
My reel never had one of them, but it appears on the 5001 and looks like a good idea.  I`m wondering what its made of.
Greg


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Rivverrat on April 19, 2019, 04:01:54 PM
Greg, not sure how the drag on these reels do with repeated long runs using 60 - 80 line with appropriate drag.
 Fish I'm after dont do this. The drag set on yours I'm venturing it would be a non issue. I do wonder about the cork or whatever the washer is that's glued to the bottom of the spool. But this far its proved to pretty durable... Jeff


 
One thing I am going to add is the separator washer that sits between the metal drag washer and the plastic spool cap to stop heat affecting the plastic cap.  
My reel never had one of them, but it appears on the 5001 and looks like a good idea.  I`m wondering what its made of.
Greg

 Greg, I noticed your pics didnt show this washer. I just thought at the time you had it but it wasnt in the pic. This washers appears to be asbestos but of a different weave. I personally believe it is needed for any one using these reels for salt water fish.  I want a Penn Torque spinner in a very bad way. In all honesty the 5001 will do  any thing I need & do it extremely well... except for the parts availability thing... Jeff


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on April 19, 2019, 04:36:36 PM
Yes, agree on the PENN Torque. A very desirable spinner.
Greg


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on June 12, 2019, 09:31:22 PM
Greg, not sure how the drag on these reels do with repeated long runs using 60 - 80 line with appropriate drag.
 Fish I'm after dont do this. The drag set on yours I'm venturing it would be a non issue. I do wonder about the cork or whatever the washer is that's glued to the bottom of the spool. But this far its proved to pretty durable... Jeff


 
One thing I am going to add is the separator washer that sits between the metal drag washer and the plastic spool cap to stop heat affecting the plastic cap.  


Another reason I changed back to the stock washers was because the carbontex was not thick enough at .98mm. which resulted in the line bunching up at the top of the spool.
Even the line lay adjustment disc under the spool could not remedy this.
I measured the bottom asbestos washer and it was 1.59mm thick and the top one was 1.22mm thick.
Putting the stock washer back under the spool fixed the line lay.
Greg



Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Alto Mare on June 13, 2019, 05:06:35 AM
I’m thinking adding a couple to get to the correct thickness wouldn’t hurt anything., but looks like you have it working just fine.

Sal


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: basto on June 13, 2019, 03:06:55 PM
I’m thinking adding a couple to get to the correct thickness wouldn’t hurt anything., but looks like you have it working just fine.

Sal


Yes Sal, I`ll quit while I'm ahead now. (if it ain`t broke, don't fix it)

Greg


Title: Re: 3001 home again
Post by: Alto Mare on June 13, 2019, 04:17:00 PM
I’m thinking adding a couple to get to the correct thickness wouldn’t hurt anything., but looks like you have it working just fine.

Sal


Yes Sal, I`ll quit while I'm ahead now. (if it ain`t broke, don't fix it)

Greg

I agree Greg!

Best,

Sal