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Fishing => Lures => Topic started by: Maxed Out on April 29, 2019, 11:29:07 AM



Title: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Maxed Out on April 29, 2019, 11:29:07 AM
 It's that time of year again, and this year I needed to replenish my pipe jig arsenal. There are many different methods to making pipe jigs. I learned from the best charter captain on the northwest coast.

 I start with 3/4" copper, and cut pieces to 9 3/8", drill shallow 7/8 holes in a chunk of lumber, place the pipes in and pour the lead.

 As it is cooling is best time to insert the jig eyelet with a heavy barrel swivel.

 Once cooled, its time to mark the center and drill hole for the pin. then install swivel, split ring, and 12/0 treble hook onto the pin eye, then insert the pin and bend the ends over. That's it !! These naked pipe jigs will soon be killing lots of lings, and have been the go-to for ling cod for decades here off the coast of Washington state. We also catch a fair amount of "incidental" halibut with these jigs

 The 9 3/8" length is just long enough so the 12/0 treble can't foul on the ends of the pipe. This length formula was mainly developed to adhere to Canadian regulations that limits weight to 1,000 grams, or approximately 35 ounces. This weight is also perfect for Washington waters, where our hot spots are about 400' deep.

 If you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer.......i'll post some action pictures in next few weeks

 Pic #2 is a finished pipe jig, and also all the hardware used

 Ted


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Ron Jones on April 29, 2019, 12:46:07 PM
My absolute favorite type of artificial that you can't watch coming in. We're going to have so much fun.
Ron Jones


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Captain64-200 on April 29, 2019, 01:06:03 PM
I can't even imagine why lingcod eat  that kind of plumbing stuff , but hey, who am I to judge ... ;D

Nice work Ted !


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: thorhammer on April 29, 2019, 02:56:20 PM
I can't even imagine why lingcod eat  that kind of plumbing stuff , but hey, who am I to judge ... ;D

Nice work Ted !



yes that looks like a water heater install gone wrong....but proof in the pudding.


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Swami805 on April 29, 2019, 03:11:25 PM
I want to know what the first guy to do that was thinking? Trying to imagine the thought bubble light bulb going off over his head. Proven ling killer!


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: mo65 on April 29, 2019, 03:21:33 PM
Interesting Ted...I love the hand made stuff! 8)


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Dominick on April 29, 2019, 03:40:20 PM
Hey Ted, do you use bait with that or just as it is? Dominick


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Maxed Out on April 29, 2019, 04:03:55 PM

 Bait on that pipe jig will not do as good as a naked pipe....just a big treble and lead filled pipe hammering the rocky bottom.


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Rivverrat on April 29, 2019, 04:52:02 PM
This is crazy.... I mean that any fish would go after that. if it works who cares... Jeff


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: whalebreath on April 29, 2019, 05:11:34 PM
Noise and a little electricity do the trick.


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Ron Jones on April 29, 2019, 06:29:24 PM
I've caught spot fin croaker with them in So-Cal. Get the water deep enough and all the pretty is for the fisherman. Same as the reel and rod, the fish isn't going to take the sardine connected to the Avet over the Abu, promise.

The Man


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Hardy Boy on April 30, 2019, 07:35:01 AM
They will get a work out in a few weeks ....................... looking forward to it. Lots of guys used to use them here (some still do ) but most have switched to big swim jigs for lings. I have some of these that still get wet. I have a couple of jigs I'm bringing Ted to see how they work.


Cheers:


Todd


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Gobi King on April 30, 2019, 08:29:55 AM
reminds me of the gotcha rig,

the small wire at the end of the swivel is enough to anchor it into the lead?



Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Maxed Out on April 30, 2019, 09:51:50 AM
reminds me of the gotcha rig,

the small wire at the end of the swivel is enough to anchor it into the lead?



 Yes, the part that goes into the lead is the same eyelet you'd find on lead weights. It holds up just fine, and once the lead has cooled it ain't budging

 Todd, we will have a friendly competition to see which lure works best. May the best lure win !!.....we already know who the best fisherman is  ;)

 Ted


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: bhale1 on April 30, 2019, 08:47:05 PM
whoa whoa whoa...... what has Ted been doing in his dungeon.....
You mean to tell me that the fish actually try an eat that ??? ???
I thought he was making weight to drop down..... If they eat that, then why do i always try to buy colored fancy thing- a-ma-jigs....
lure companies must love people like me....
Brett


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Ron Jones on May 01, 2019, 06:18:24 AM
whoa whoa whoa...... what has Ted been doing in his dungeon.....
You mean to tell me that the fish actually try an eat that ??? ???
I thought he was making weight to drop down..... If they eat that, then why do i always try to buy colored fancy thing- a-ma-jigs....
lure companies must love people like me....
Brett


Look at it this way...it's your contribution to reducing unemployment!
The Man


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Bryan Young on May 01, 2019, 08:04:39 AM
These lures work great because the copper pipe in a current of salt water will produce a small voltage similar to that of bait fish. One thing that I do not like about these lures and the very reason why I haven’t used them, as I have stated countless times before, is that if the lure is lost in the reef, it will kill the reef. If you have noticed, sea animals do not grow on copper. That is why so many bottom boat paints has copper as a main ingredient.


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: shellback on May 01, 2019, 11:20:44 AM
been working for over 30yrs that I know of on the central coast

try cutting the ends of the pipe at opposite 45's


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: akfish on May 01, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
That's something we all need to know, Brian. I've used pipe jigs a few times, but not for almost 30 years, and never will again. These days I find that ling cod just can't resist a larger Flat Fall. The only problem is that it can be hard to get the Flat Fall through the rockfish...


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Ron Jones on May 01, 2019, 02:55:20 PM
That's something we all need to know, Brian. I've used pipe jigs a few times, but not for almost 30 years, and never will again. These days I find that ling cod just can't resist a larger Flat Fall. The only problem is that it can be hard to get the Flat Fall through the rockfish...
I think that's the best part of the pipe jig. I've hung trebble hooks off of pipe jigs that were twice the size of the jig. That has always kept the rock fish off the jig.
The Man


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Gobi King on May 02, 2019, 08:39:39 AM
newbie question,
How big are these ling cods? I am trying to imagine something that will strike a 12/0 treble  :o


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Hardy Boy on May 02, 2019, 09:30:25 AM
For BC the average ling would be 12-15 lbs with lots 20 to 25 in places, but you do see then up and over 40 lbs. This picture has a 42 lber that my daughter caught two years ago notice the size of the mouth they can eat anything and they love to eat the rockfish that are also in the pic, I'm over six feet and almost as heavy as the Mook for scale !! The biggest I have caught was 53 but I have heard of fish into the 80's (not common any more).

Cheers:


Todd


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Gobi King on May 03, 2019, 04:32:02 AM
Todd, I see the mouth is way out of proportion to the body, makes sense,
Thanks for the pic!


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Steve-O on May 03, 2019, 06:23:53 AM
They can be bigger than this but different areas have different regs on sizes harvested. This one topped out the small slot. The big fish slot in Southeast Alaska is 55 inches or longer...so approaching 5 feet.  They have no problems inhaling anything tackle wise and are often more ambitious than capable when it comes to a mouthful.



Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: shellback on May 03, 2019, 07:26:00 AM
that fish would be mounted and put on my wall

serious dinosaur


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: gstours on May 03, 2019, 07:49:38 AM
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and pictures.  Long cod is my favorite deep frying fish.  Our refs up here allow only one per day even for residents.  You’re copper lead jigs will work good no doubt.  🚣‍♀️


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Hardy Boy on May 03, 2019, 08:07:49 AM
I don't usually keep the big ones any more as I prefer to eat the smaller fish (20 lb and under), the big ones can get wormy plus the recovery is not as good as the huge head and with the gut being so big. A buddy of mine caught a 60 lber and it was not ever hooked ; it had grabbed a 12 lb ling and held on all the way to the boat where we gaffed it. This is very common as many big lings are caught when they grab another fish you have on the line (rock fish , ling or even a salmon).


Cheers:


Todd


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Steve-O on May 03, 2019, 08:19:57 AM
that fish would be mounted and put on my wall

serious dinosaur

 Mine went in the freezer and in fish tacos. YUM!

Here's the one on the wall at the Lodge. 5 Feet something - 60#'s or so.



Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Hardy Boy on May 03, 2019, 08:43:15 AM
Don't get me wrong the big ones are still more than edible but I prefer the finer fleshed smaller sized fish. The large fish over 30 lbs will all be female and the larger the fish the more eggs they can produce ... that also plays into my decision to let the big ones go. That being said I have no issues with folks keeping a large trophy fish especially if it is the first big ling they have ever caught. I also happen to live in a place where lings are still relatively abundant and big ones can still be found.


Cheers:

Todd


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Steve-O on May 03, 2019, 10:07:11 AM
Don't get me wrong the big ones are still more than edible but I prefer the finer fleshed smaller sized fish. The large fish over 30 lbs will all be female and the larger the fish the more eggs they can produce ... that also plays into my decision to let the big ones go. That being said I have no issues with folks keeping a large trophy fish especially if it is the first big ling they have ever caught. I also happen to live in a place where lings are still relatively abundant and big ones can still be found.


Cheers:

Todd

I'm with you 100% on your comments, Todd.  This was the first big Ling for me and the slot changed again this year for SE AK so most likely it will be my only big Ling. The small fish slot also shrank some. The harvest limit for a non-res (me) is one fish in each slot annually. So pretty much one smaller Ling. Which I'm good with. In all 21 of my AK trips I have caught and kept 2 Lings. Lotsa Silvers, Kings and Halibut though to fill the freezer.  ;D

SE AK has tons of big Lings and more Yelloweye than you can imagine. I have caught and kept 3 Yellloweye...lots of Black Rockfish for the tacos.


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: nelz on May 03, 2019, 10:40:45 AM
The harvest limit for a non-res (me) is one fish in each slot annually.

Just curious, how do they know how many you've caught for the year? You gotta register your fish?


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Steve-O on May 03, 2019, 11:48:25 AM
The harvest limit for a non-res (me) is one fish in each slot annually.

Just curious, how do they know how many you've caught for the year? You gotta register your fish?

Here's the long and short of it.  The regs state the limits of harvestable fish. The State Troopers are the enforcement arm of Fish and Game. Only a poacher would go over the limits. No one likes a poacher in Alaska - That's a boat sinking offense with all hands on board in some folks minds. Otherwise they get turned in.

LINGCOD
• Season: May 16–November 30.
• Charter operators and crew members may not retain lingcod while clients are on
board the vessel.
• Northern Southeast Lingcod Area:
• Alaska Residents—No size limit: 1 per day, 2 in possession.
• Nonresidents—1 per day, 1 in possession; 30–35 inches or 55 inches and
longer, annual limit of 2 fish, one of which is 30–35 inches in length, and one
that is 55 inches or greater in length, harvest record required (see page 6).
• Southern Southeast Lingcod Area
• Alaska Residents—No size limit: 1 per day, 2 in possession.
• Nonresidents— 1 per day, 1 in possession; 30–45 inches or 55 inches and
longer, annual limit of 2 fish, one of which is 30–45 inches in length, and one
that is 55 inches or greater in length, harvest record required (see page 6).

Page 6.

Harvest records are required by ALL anglers when harvesting any species with an
annual limit. Species with an annual limit are listed in the General Regulations section.



Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Gobi King on May 03, 2019, 12:51:58 PM
The harvest limit for a non-res (me) is one fish in each slot annually.

Just curious, how do they know how many you've caught for the year? You gotta register your fish?

In MI they give you a tag like a hunting tag for sturgeon and muskie, as soon you catch it, you have to tag it.


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: Steve-O on May 06, 2019, 05:33:00 AM
The harvest limit for a non-res (me) is one fish in each slot annually.

Just curious, how do they know how many you've caught for the year? You gotta register your fish?

In MI they give you a tag like a hunting tag for sturgeon and muskie, as soon you catch it, you have to tag it.

I think in south central AK they ave you clip the tail fin...maybe,,,not sure. I only fish SE AK each year.

Other game gets "sealed" with some sort of plastic tag by F&G...but I don't hunt there.

I do know that if you kill a bear no matter what reason, one is required to skin and skull it to have is sealed by fish and game.


Title: Re: Ling Cod Killer
Post by: theswimmer on May 26, 2019, 10:47:57 AM
These lures work great because the copper pipe in a current of salt water will produce a small voltage similar to that of bait fish. One thing that I do not like about these lures and the very reason why I haven’t used them, as I have stated countless times before, is that if the lure is lost in the reef, it will kill the reef. If you have noticed, sea animals do not grow on copper. That is why so many bottom boat paints has copper as a main ingredient.



I produced some ling  flys with copper wire based on this premise , and although they did out produce flys
without the copper winding ,  I will error on the side of caution and side with Brian .
Damaging a whole reef for the sake of a big ling is just not worth it imo.
Same reason I will continue to release Ling over 12-15 lbs , I don't participate in jackpot wagers for the same reason .
Plus the smaller ling have much better flesh quality and flavor from my point of view. YMMV.