I for one is interested in knowing what is dangerous in the equipment we use. We use a lot of different greases oils, removing agents etc. Is there anything to be aware of when dealing with chemicals, any tips on how to stay safe, what to wash your hands with etc?
I for one have been smelling a lot of that cnc rust remover(not by means) but have felt a little obnoxious afterwards (I know thats not good). I have also cut out some rods before using a dremel and I sneezed carbon fiber particals the day after.. dangerous?
the means of this thread is to map out some warnings and prevention methods for dealing with possible health issue equipment
Good thread Hafnor.
I reckon many of us underestimate the cumulative effect of long-term exposure to the products we use, particularly carb cleaner etc. I usually step out the workshop door to spray bearings, though.
I understand prolonged exposure to even low-toxicity grease can cause a range of skin conditions and is discouraged.
That said, I've been working on engines, motorbikes and reels etc for more than 20 years and am yet to start wearing latex gloves (perhaps I should, though).
I try to minimise chemical use, but it's inevitable that we'll all have an array of products in the workshop.
My list generally includes (ordered according to use):
- White spirit
- Marine grease
- CRC 556
- Carb cleaner
- ReelX
- Shimano lube
- Kroil (penetrating oil)
- Silicon spray
- Autosol (metal polish)
- Lighter fluid
I use a vinegar/water mix to dissolve salt build-up and Simple Green from time to time - mostly white spirit, though.
I always wear a mask when using the Dremel on Bakelite (eg Senator side plates) as it's s'posed to be quite toxic.
Here's a link to a Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards that may be of use.
- http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/ (http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/)
Be interested to hear others' thoughts on this topic...
Cheers, Justin
When you wife finds out what you REALLY paid for all the reels and tools you picked up.....and according to Alan, if your wife catches you using the dishwasher..... I saw a quote somewhere, "My biggest fear is after I die, my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them, instead of what they're worth"....
about a year ago, i finally started using gloves.
how come alan? does the grease affect your hands in some way?
my wife had complained about the odor of grease for years. even after a shower, you could still smell it. figured it was a small sacrifice to keep peace in the family.
Quote from: alantani on October 16, 2011, 09:51:41 PM
my wife had complained about the odor of grease for years. even after a shower, you could still smell it. figured it was a small sacrifice to keep peace in the family.
:-X !....I'm not touching this one ;).
Sal, You beat me to it... LOL!
I would be careful of acetone, carb cleaner, and any spirits. However, if you smoke, like I do (gotta quit soon!) then you might as well not worry about anything cause the cigs will probably destroy our lungs before these other chemicals do. As for skin problems gloves should do the trick, but I feel they get in the way of my dexterity and the natural flow of things. Just try to do any spraying of these chemicals outdoors or in a garage with the door open. Well-ventilated is not a window being cracked! Stay safe and have fun... gotta go have a smoke now >:(
Dom
I hate working in gloves but do occasionaly, but grease is one of the better things I smell like....especialy when I'm cleaning manure out of the barn.
Get a MSDS for every chemical you use, it will list the hazards and what you should do to protect yourself from exposure.
Quote from: alantani on October 16, 2011, 09:51:41 PM
my wife had complained about the odor of grease for years. even after a shower, you could still smell it. figured it was a small sacrifice to keep peace in the family.
Get yourself a bottle of "Fast Orange"
Hey All, Happy Friday!
The chemicals I've used over the years as a Commercial Air Conditioning Mechanic more than likely far outweigh what most users of this board are, or have been, exposed to. When I retired I became more aware of the things that might have a long term impact on my longevity.
After doing a quick search around my garage I realize that it's a haven for toxic chemicals. I have a few suggestions....
a) READ THE MANUFACTURER'S INSTRUCTIONS!! There's a lot of thought, testing and research put into those simple "Directions for Use" paragraphs on chemical containers. I do believe that they are as thorough as need be for safe use!
b) WEAR GLOVES. I didn't do this for years but now find it second nature to put on gloves for most reel repair servicing projects. I've tried several different varieties and have found the nitrile gloves sold by COSCO as the strongest and longest lasting. Where I used to use two or three "left" gloves for a project, I now find I only use about as many left gloves as right gloves. The difference being that I hold the object I'm cleaning in my left hand and thus it gets doused with whatever cleaning chemical I'm attempting to use at the time.
c) WEAR SAFETY GLASSES. This doesn't require any explanation. I got a pair of safety goggles with my pneumatic nailer and I use them a lot. If I do anything stupid, it's usually not wearing the glasses for some "safe" operation.
d) VENTILATE! I now open the lift door and side entrance door of my garage when I'm doing reel service. The most volitile substance I use seems to be the brake cleaner and the fumes are prolific. I'm going to try to find a different product for what I use this for, cleaning bearings. Also, I can't seem to get myself to wear a mask although I'm sure I should at times.
e) THINK! As I get older, I seem to take things for granted that I would never have in the past. I think good planning for a project should include a mental plan of the the tools and chemicals needed along with hashing over the repair proceedure you want to do.
Don't mean to preach, just want all my resourses out there to stay healthy!
good advise. i've actually been doing all of the above. and i definitely get the "as i get older" part!
Don't forget a mask or respirator ,, as protection from particulates,, from cutting, grinding,, etc.. as well as vapors..
some of that stuff, can put a permanent change in your health record quickly...
Also never mix a bunch of chemicals to make a so called SUPERCLEANER.
One of the biggest things beyond respratory particulates is those pescy little things flying in the air(safety glasses) almost lost an eye a few years ago due to a broken piece of bakelite but I had glasses on.That little bugger stuck in the glasses I was wearing. :o
All Chemicals have whats know as a materials safety data sheet, MSDS, for short.
if you are worried about your safety with any product, look up the MSDS.
it will give you a breakdown of what to do if you are exposed, how much is safe, the symtoms of poisoning etc.
i'm a post grad molecular biologist and i have to read these when ever i work with a chemical that im not familiar with and i work with some ridiculously poisonous chemicals.
Im not 100% certain but i think its a requirement for manufacturers to issue an MSDS on a product.
just google MSDS *product name* or *chemical name* an you should get the information you need.
some of the things on those sheets are difficult to understand, but the just of it should be there
Quote from: MetroFail on September 18, 2012, 12:30:19 PM
Im not 100% certain but i think its a requirement for manufacturers to issue an MSDS on a product.
Yes they are legally required to provide MSDS for their products, companies are also required to keep one for every product they use on file.
from a medical management point of view, i have found that the material safety data sheets are the the most worthless documents ever written! :-\
I retired from a NYC Hospital in the Engineering Dept. We had pound of MSDS Sheets for everthing. There were 5 different chemicals just for the Cooling Towers.
Redsetta, Keta, All,
Justin, thanx for the link to the pocket guide (good info). Lee and others; those MSDS are as necessary as the products they describe. Safety is paramount while fishing and in all repair work.
Leo
Quote from: alantani on September 20, 2012, 02:16:07 AM
from a medical management point of view, i have found that the material safety data sheets are the the most worthless documents ever written! :-\
They are more for transportation and the end user but from my experience few end users bother to use them.
Well, I guess I'll revive this thread by posting another chemical I use that is FANTASTIC, but I'm kinda "SCARED" of it . . .
It's called "PB BLASTER" .
http://www.blastercorp.com/ (http://www.blastercorp.com/)
I attached the MSDS below . . .
(http://www.blastercorp.com/product_shots/PB%20Penetrating%20Catalyst.jpg)
That stuff is nasty, I mentioned this about four years ago. That's one product I will never use again.
This is what I've been using and it will be very hard for me to give it up:
http://www.amazon.com/Paslode-Degreaser-For-Cordless-Tools/dp/B004BGBB5W/ref=pd_sim_469_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=0XJM8XSJ15A5WMJK4NZH
Try it on bearings, you'll be amazed.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on June 06, 2015, 10:16:59 PM
That stuff is nasty, I mentioned this about four years ago. That's one product I will never use again.
This is what I've been using and it will be very hard for me to give it up:
http://www.amazon.com/Paslode-Degreaser-For-Cordless-Tools/dp/B004BGBB5W/ref=pd_sim_469_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=0XJM8XSJ15A5WMJK4NZH
Try it on bearings, you'll be amazed.
Sal
Sal,
Thanks, I'll check it out . . .
Tight Lines !!!
Possibly two of the most dangerous things around a reel shop, at least for me --
Always wear eye protection when using the Dremel --
And always wear a good pair of leather gloves when using the line winder -- especially the medium or heavy duty one when lining braid or really any type of mono.
And don't leave rags around that have had thinner, solvent, or other flammable spirits on them.
Get them outside, and into a metal pail, or let them dry out on rocks.
Spontaneous combustion happens spontaneously.
Best,
Fred
With carbon fibre many people like to make upgrades or freshen up an old favourite but it should be known that some reels up to as late as the 80's had asbestos drag washers, this could pose as a potentially lethal as a used drag has potential to be dusted.
Alan is right on about the grease smell. The shop stinks of smells when I first go in.
As of now I don't use anything...
Quote from: handi2 on June 19, 2015, 02:21:16 PM
Alan is right on about the grease smell. The shop stinks of smells when I first go in.
I hate those reels that have been serviced by rednecks or guys that dont have reach of proper reel grease, I sometimes got reels that have car grease on it really sticky, tacky and smelly and my room keep smelling like a grease monky shop and the odor of cheap grease its the worst to go away even after many times washing hands
Quote from: steelfish on June 19, 2015, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: handi2 on June 19, 2015, 02:21:16 PM
Alan is right on about the grease smell. The shop stinks of smells when I first go in.
I hate those reels that have been serviced by rednecks or guys that dont have reach of proper reel grease, I sometimes got reels that have car grease on it really sticky, tacky and smelly and my room keep smelling like a grease monky shop and the odor of cheap grease its the worst to go away even after many times washing hands
If a reel has all of that black sticky grease in it -- and is going to take a lot of extra work, make a mess of my equipment, ruin some brushes and take a lot of cleaning chemicals -- they get charged extra.
If, after explaining to them about using the proper lubricants -- then it still comes back in a year or two wih the same old cheap cruddy lube -- I just tell them that I am too busy for their types of reels at this time.
For me, they get (1) good chance to lube properly in between services -- I even give them the lube. If it is not paid attention to or heeded -- they are advised to take their reels to Bryan.
Have only had 2 clients over the years who were this dense.
The rest are happy to either let me do everything on their reels -- or they do it right.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: Reel 224 on June 19, 2015, 05:01:17 PM
My father was a mechanic and fed our family well, but his hands and clothes always smelled of gasoline and grease
yep, I understand that very well, I know that feeling, my father was a technitian on tv and radios when they dont have USB, or any digiltal electronic, just transistots, bulbs, etc.
and I just loved to smell when he was soldering the bulbs on the green plates on the shop
Quote from: foakes on June 19, 2015, 05:12:34 PM
If a reel has all of that black sticky grease in it -- and is going to take a lot of extra work, make a mess of my equipment, ruin some brushes and take a lot of cleaning chemicals -- they get charged extra.
I will start doing that, I lost my favorite working brush teeth, two long hair brushes, half can of carb cleaner, etc, etc, and wife made me sleep on the couch that night for the smell LOL
In going through a few threads re lubricants, I became curious about how most folks are cleaning reel parts; then, I found this thread! I am quite new to the site, but I've spent a bit of time cleaning various and sundry metal parts on a deuce-and-a-half, woodworking machines, and the odd hand tool, and have learned early on to use brake cleaner for no-residue cleaning at the part level. Only problem is it has to be used either outdoors or in a very well ventilated area...I do it outside or, when I had one, at the front of the garage with the door open. It's what I'll use when I service my spinners and conventionals the next time [sitting outside under an umbrella], as it dissolves petroleum greases and oils readily and should get the metal parts squeaky clean, not sure about some synthetics. Plastic ware will get warm/hot water and Dawn or a bit of TSP.
I'm wondering about oils. Does anyone know if touching TSI or Reel-X oils on the skin is dangerous over time? I just notice that the skin on my finger tips are starting to peel. :-\
I do wash my hands very thoroughly after working on reels. I don't have a "smelly" problem, but touching all of these oils makes me wonder.
I always use nitrile gloves - impervious to just about every solvent there is and dirt cheap. Like these:
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p21918
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on December 05, 2015, 09:32:02 AM
I always use nitrile gloves - impervious to just about every solvent there is and dirt cheap. Like these:
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p21918
Same ones that I use, although I don't find they last long with carb cleaner or Briwax wood wax.
Mike - carb cleaner is fairly nasty stuff - I prefer neat IPA (a lot less toxic and far cheaper in bulk, I buy 5 litres at a time) - place bearings etc in a small glass jar and cover with IPA - screw on lid and shake (better still place in an ultrasonic bath ;)) by decanting small quantities at a time reduces most potential hazards.
Briwax is quite abrasive and can hasten the demise of glove fingers - I now use carnauba wax applied by a dremel felt wheel - or a buffing wheel on the bench grinder. A battery drill and buffing attachment will obviously work as well.
Yes I agree, I have recently bought IPA, as you say less toxic and cheaper.
I have also acquired a buffing machine with various mops and soaps, makes life a lot easier for the fingers.
The Briwax I use on furniture, which I prefer to apply by hand.
For hand application I usually use these (or similar):
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p26600?table=no
I was going to post a long write up about my 45yr exposure to practically every industrial solvent, toxic chemical, asbestos, fibreglass that I have been exposed to as a carpenter and shipwright but since I'm only 61, and a smoker and I have zero health conditions that MSDS is certain I should have I'm probably not the right person to speak on the subject.
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on December 05, 2015, 05:24:44 PM
For hand application I usually use these (or similar):
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p26600?table=no
I use the same.
Quote from: David Hall on December 05, 2015, 07:19:53 PM
I was going to post a long write up about my 45yr exposure to practically every industrial solvent, toxic chemical, asbestos, fibreglass that I have been exposed to as a carpenter and shipwright but since I'm only 61, and a smoker and I have zero health conditions that MSDS is certain I should have I'm probably not the right person to speak on the subject.
David, I am 65 also a carpenter and joiner, been exposed to all the crap along the way, I remember the days of my apprenticeship in the machine shop, no dust extraction, couldn't see one end of the shop from the other, Iroko dust comes to mind!!
A smoker until 6 month ago, and the only health problems are a knackered spine and joint problems, that I am aware of!!
Quote from: Jerseymic on December 05, 2015, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: David Hall on December 05, 2015, 07:19:53 PM
I was going to post a long write up about my 45yr exposure to practically every industrial solvent, toxic chemical, asbestos, fibreglass that I have been exposed to as a carpenter and shipwright but since I'm only 61, and a smoker and I have zero health conditions that MSDS is certain I should have I'm probably not the right person to speak on the subject.
David, I am 65 also a carpenter and joiner, been exposed to all the crap along the way, I remember the days of my apprenticeship in the machine shop, no dust extraction, couldn't see one end of the shop from the other, Iroko dust comes to mind!!
A smoker until 6 month ago, and the only health problems are a knackered spine and joint problems, that I am aware of!!
Read those MSDS and you wonder why the hell were still alive!
Quote from: David Hall on December 06, 2015, 04:23:43 AM
Quote from: Jerseymic on December 05, 2015, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: David Hall on December 05, 2015, 07:19:53 PM
I was going to post a long write up about my 45yr exposure to practically every industrial solvent, toxic chemical, asbestos, fibreglass that I have been exposed to as a carpenter and shipwright but since I'm only 61, and a smoker and I have zero health conditions that MSDS is certain I should have I'm probably not the right person to speak on the subject.
David, I am 65 also a carpenter and joiner, been exposed to all the crap along the way, I remember the days of my apprenticeship in the machine shop, no dust extraction, couldn't see one end of the shop from the other, Iroko dust comes to mind!!
A smoker until 6 month ago, and the only health problems are a knackered spine and joint problems, that I am aware of!!
Read those MSDS and you wonder why the hell were still alive!
Agreed.
After being a commercial refrigeration contractor for many years I was not able to see my skin on my hands until about a year after I quit doing refrigeration ( my hands were black stained ). Now I have clean Cal's Grease hands with only Asbestos, Cadmium & Mercury left in my body :o. Good shape for 74!
Quote from: josa1 on October 22, 2011, 01:18:35 AM
Hey All, Happy Friday!
The chemicals I've used over the years as a Commercial Air Conditioning Mechanic more than likely far outweigh what most users of this board are, or have been, exposed to. When I retired I became more aware of the things that might have a long term impact on my longevity.
After doing a quick search around my garage I realize that it's a haven for toxic chemicals. I have a few suggestions....
a) READ THE MANUFACTURER'S INSTRUCTIONS!! There's a lot of thought, testing and research put into those simple "Directions for Use" paragraphs on chemical containers. I do believe that they are as thorough as need be for safe use!
b) WEAR GLOVES. I didn't do this for years but now find it second nature to put on gloves for most reel repair servicing projects. I've tried several different varieties and have found the nitrile gloves sold by COSCO as the strongest and longest lasting. Where I used to use two or three "left" gloves for a project, I now find I only use about as many left gloves as right gloves. The difference being that I hold the object I'm cleaning in my left hand and thus it gets doused with whatever cleaning chemical I'm attempting to use at the time.
c) WEAR SAFETY GLASSES. This doesn't require any explanation. I got a pair of safety goggles with my pneumatic nailer and I use them a lot. If I do anything stupid, it's usually not wearing the glasses for some "safe" operation.
d) VENTILATE! I now open the lift door and side entrance door of my garage when I'm doing reel service. The most volitile substance I use seems to be the brake cleaner and the fumes are prolific. I'm going to try to find a different product for what I use this for, cleaning bearings. Also, I can't seem to get myself to wear a mask although I'm sure I should at times.
e) THINK! As I get older, I seem to take things for granted that I would never have in the past. I think good planning for a project should include a mental plan of the the tools and chemicals needed along with hashing over the repair proceedure you want to do.
Don't mean to preach, just want all my resourses out there to stay healthy!
The chemicals I've used over the years as a Commercial Air Conditioning Mechanic more than likely far outweigh what most users of this board are, or have been, exposed to. When I retired I became more aware of the things that might have a long term impact on my longevity.
I'm thinking its a good thing you retired, if you kept exposing yourself to that stuff in another 15-20 years you might regret it?
Starting out 44 years ago in commercial pipe fitting, plumbing I was around asbestos many times. My uncle just passed from Asbestosis from working in the same environment. Before that (as a kid) we would play with the lead and chew on the fresh tar..!!
I'm trying to quit smoking now with Chantix. It worked before.
In the shop I now use gloves when cleaning parts but no other time. I get brake cleaner, oils, and greases on me everyday. I think it helps the arthritis in my hands..!!
I received my letter for Asbestos testing from my Union last week. If there are any Plumber's Local Union #1 on here get tested. I have had part of my right Lung removed already. I still have no fear of Lead. I have melted tons to pour into Lead & Oakum Cast Iron Joins. I just need a new Furnace Head for heat.
Mike
I'm an arborist, I specialize in pests and diseases. I've been using pesticides for many years. The MSDS isn't very helpful but there is the LD50 which is the lethal amount of exposure for 50% of the test group. You can compare products that way. Also the SIGNAL words caution, warning and danger. Caution is pretty mellow, warning is usually for a specific thing like getting it in your eyes and danger is they ain't lying, stay away from it if you can.
Most important is follow the directions on the label.
Quote from: Swami805 on September 06, 2016, 01:23:52 AM
I'm an arborist, I specialize in pests and diseases. I've been using pesticides for many years. The MSDS isn't very helpful but there is the LD50 which is the lethal amount of exposure for 50% of the test group.
So, if one were to mention Chlordane (liquid concentrate, not powder) or DDT . . .
Chlordane has been gone for awhile, I'll still see a glass bottle with the powder in it in old garages from time to time. Usually the label is rotting off so it's a ticking bomb waiting for the next earthquake. Worked great injected in the soil around the house for termites. Thankfully I have a ag license and don't have to deal with termites. Old timers used to put it on citrus trees, I think it has a 10 year residual,no bugs on those trees! There some sticks of chalk you can buy in Mexico that have chlordane in it so you can draw a line on the floor to keep bugs out, I've seen those sold here too in liquor stores.
A real fun one is triforine, been banned for commercial use for many years. The company that makes it is allowed to sell their remaining stock so they put it in the homeowner products. Next time your buying a fungicide for your roses you might want to read the label. Still selling it 20+ years later.
Thankfully there are many caution label products for me to use that are very specific to the target, with very low toxicity to other life froms. Gloves long sleeve shirts glasses and I'm good to go, works pretty good too.
I put in a nomination for the "old-school" Chlorinated Brake Cleaner sprays . . .
I think they contain Carbon Tetrachloride and / or Perchloroethylene .
Tight Lines !
Quote from: saltydog on September 13, 2012, 01:43:53 AM
One of the biggest things beyond respratory particulates is those pescy little things flying in the air(safety glasses) almost lost an eye a few years ago due to a broken piece of bakelite but I had glasses on.That little bugger stuck in the glasses I was wearing. :o
wow
( bought one today, for grinder work )
edit: used it and it damn well served a purpose, it was a hail of particles all around the glasses..
Got to agree on the safety glasses & absolutely encourage their use.
For me, I have two grinders with 4 different wheels to the right of my bench, plus two Dremels.
It just takes (ONE) tiny brass brush strand to ruin your vision in that eye for life...
It happens so quick, there is no way to avoid the bad outcome except with a pair of safety glasses.
They do not need to be the super expensive, optical rated, industrial glasses.
But they do need to go over your reading glasses easily, cover the edges, be clear and clean, and close to hand. No exceptions means no issues.
I use the clear ones that are oversized so they will go over my glasses. These are available at any good hardware store, and a thousand other places. I also use safety glasses when doing chainsaw work, and woodworking with saws, routers, and lathes. No exceptions to these rules for me.
It is foolish and amateurish to not use safety equipment.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: Swami805 on September 06, 2016, 06:09:27 AM
Chlordane has been gone for awhile, I'll still see a glass bottle with the powder in it in old garages from time to time. Usually the label is rotting off so it's a ticking bomb waiting for the next earthquake. Worked great injected in the soil around the house for termites. Thankfully I have a ag license and don't have to deal with termites. Old timers used to put it on citrus trees, I think it has a 10 year residual,no bugs on those trees! There some sticks of chalk you can buy in Mexico that have chlordane in it so you can draw a line on the floor to keep bugs out, I've seen those sold here too in liquor stores.
A real fun one is triforine, been banned for commercial use for many years. The company that makes it is allowed to sell their remaining stock so they put it in the homeowner products. Next time your buying a fungicide for your roses you might want to read the label. Still selling it 20+ years later.
Thankfully there are many caution label products for me to use that are very specific to the target, with very low toxicity to other life froms. Gloves long sleeve shirts glasses and I'm good to go, works pretty good too.
yes,,,,this stuff works great ;) still got a half gallon ;D
Geez.... be careful Benny. That stuff is nasty and stays around practically forever.
-steve
I was a heavy equipment mechanic, at steel mill, for over 30 years, as well as several years "wrenching" at other places, and a "wood worker / carpenter"when at home, so, like many of you....I was exposed to LOTS of stuff. Asbestos, solvents, acids, paints, oils...you name it, and to echo what others have said.....follow directions, work in a well ventilated area, wear a "dust mask" when sanding, or grinding, the "correct" gloves for handling whatever chemical product you're using, wear eye, and/or, face protection, and...use plenty of "common sense"!
Quote from: oc1 on October 14, 2018, 10:42:41 AM
Geez.... be careful Benny. That stuff is nasty and stays around practically forever.
-steve
Steve,
A guy I used to work with, down in Florida, used to be an Exterminator "back in the day". He still has several dozen gallons of liquid Chlordane, maybe more .
When our house was built in 2006, he came up to NC and pre-treated the entire perimeter of our foundation and where all of the support piers
would be built ( AFTER the "official pre-treatment" was done. . . No termites for 40-50 years, minimum !
Our well is located about 150 ft uphill from the house and is 473 ft deep . . . No worries about "leaching" or "run-off".
Many moons ago, I was a Termite Inspector for Orkin . . . Chlordane ROCKS !
Tight Lines !
Quote from: ez2cdave on October 15, 2018, 07:13:56 PM
When our house was built in 2006, he came up to NC and pre-treated the entire perimeter of our foundation and where all of the support piers
would be built ( AFTER the "official pre-treatment" was done. . . No termites for 40-50 years, minimum !
Our well is located about 150 ft uphill from the house and is 473 ft deep . . . No worries about "leaching" or "run-off".
How about any neighbor's wells, water supply's, or houses below (downhill) from your house, Dave?
A toxic plume may take 20 or 30 years to migrate downhill and into a water supply — but it will eventually.
That is what the Superfund Cleanup act is all about — and there is no statuate of limitations as to time — and ownership liability goes back to all parties, including current owners.
I have had first hand experience with this type of legal liability — and the government was involving (suing)
subsequent parties and property owners 45 years after the fact. The legal fees to fight the class action claim involving 9 car dealers who sent their used oil to a recycler who improperly disposed of the oil over a 45 year period — ran over $1.4 million dollars — and the government ended up winning.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on October 15, 2018, 09:04:22 PM
How about any neighbor's wells, water supply's, or houses below (downhill) from your house, Dave?
A toxic plume may take 20 or 30 years to migrate downhill and into a water supply — but it will eventually.
Fred
Our nearest neighbor is about 600 ft downhill from us ( we live in a rural area ).
Tight Lines !
Quote from: oc1 on October 14, 2018, 10:42:41 AM
Geez.... be careful Benny. That stuff is nasty and stays around practically forever.
-steve
yes sir,,,,I did work for terminix and got all of there training,,,,,but this stuff is dangerous,,, it has it's own super powers :-[ the vegetables and fruit from Mexico and south America may have been sprayed with it,,,still today >:( not good :(
Quote from: Benni3 on October 17, 2018, 01:31:52 AM
Quote from: oc1 on October 14, 2018, 10:42:41 AM
Geez.... be careful Benny. That stuff is nasty and stays around practically forever.
-steve
yes sir,,,,I did work for terminix and got all of there training,,,,,but this stuff is dangerous,,, it has it's own super powers :-[ the vegetables and fruit from Mexico and south America may have been sprayed with it,,,still today >:( not good :(
If memory serves me correctly, Chlordane was initially banned, except for use on Termites, in 1983, and finally banned altogether, in 1988 . . . Still used in China and other countries, I believe.
Tight Lines !
I don't think it's used on AG crops anywhere,there's much cheaper alternatives that work better. I think some countries still use DDT though for plauges of locusts and things like that
The most dangerous job I did was a steel plate,,,, pipes would fall next to you 1 or 2 time a month,,,,the most I got scared,,,,was when a 15000lb pipe rolled over,,,,,the legs was 2000lb one slid down my back,,,the other mist my toe >:( the other dangerous job I did was a bouncer for 5years at Lowell's,,,,I was the only,,, caucasian out of 350 or more,,,,I had to learn how to fight and quick,,,,,,but if your nice and give them the rules and you can't let anybody disrespect you and,,,, you got to do your job :D yes I miss it,,,now this what I do
Wow! Benni the Bouncer. Sounds like one of the neighborhood wiseguys, can I call you to take care of my light work? ::) Dominick
Quote from: Dominick on October 18, 2018, 11:46:01 PM
Wow! Benni the Bouncer. Sounds like one of the neighborhood wiseguys, can I call you to take care of my light work? ::) Dominick
I had to go across the street and ask if that could pay there bill for $20.67 :) the owner and manager asked me if I would like to collect more money for them ??? Ooooh no,,,I'm not getting in to that again :-\ well if I got to,,,, i don't want to,,,,but I'm going to need some spray pant :o the owner said to the manager,,nope :) ;) :D ;D
Today at work,,,,back at shady pines retirement home,,, ;) first had to get 20 gallons of water for the cookers and they sent me into this building,,,,didn't know the roof was caving in,,,,then I was sent up after the cookers,,, ;)
It was 30mph winds today,,,, :o but the view was nice,,,, ;D