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General Maintenance Tips => General Procedures => Topic started by: Alto Mare on June 21, 2019, 11:11:41 PM

Title: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Alto Mare on June 21, 2019, 11:11:41 PM
I ordered a piece of 1.25"  304 ss rod, I wanted to see if the new lathe was up to the task.
This is all new to me, I got the speed part pretty well figured out for most of what I do, but the cutting tools are still hard to figure out.
My wood lathe needs to have the belt moved around to different pullies to get to the preferred speed.
This one is equipped with a knob for speed control...very nice feature.
I tried to make a hard to find top-hat for the 6/0, I also like to use the same on the 9/0's
I found that turning stainless steel is very hard, but as you could see, it can be done:
(https://i.imgur.com/MScrWMY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3RI5hzS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YIk6D7C.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oqhJN0n.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/En4nqJU.jpg)
And my custom ss top-hat next to penn stock top-hat
(https://i.imgur.com/yVXFH8q.jpg)
mine is a little taller and doesn't need the extra metal washers, it is also a little beefier.
It has been tested and works very nice.
(https://i.imgur.com/6tiYAuF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VtSrxVr.jpg)

I will be making just a couple for my personal reels, if I cut down on time, I might offer these at my cost, but not promising anything.
At the moment it's taking me way too long to make one, but than again... I'm not a machinist.

Best,

Sal
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: swill88 on June 21, 2019, 11:19:28 PM
Sal's Top Hat!

Thanks!

Steve
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Crow on June 21, 2019, 11:20:55 PM
 Good job !  I've always wanted a small metal lathe...but make do with the wood lathe, and drill press
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: oc1 on June 21, 2019, 11:37:07 PM
It's really beautiful Sal.  That's a huge chunk of stainless you have to play with. 

I read that some types of stainless are easier to machine but there must be trade-offs there too.
-steve
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Shark Hunter on June 22, 2019, 07:01:41 AM
Awesome work Sal! :o
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: mhc on June 22, 2019, 08:31:10 AM
Looking good Sal, I can't wait to see what you make next now the shackles are off!

Mike
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on June 22, 2019, 12:39:09 PM
I believe you are now hooked Sal ;) For stainless cutting tools carbide or Co HSS. Slow speed and heavy on the pressure. There are various cutting fluids out there - I have even used rapeseed oil (canola).
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: oldmanjoe on June 22, 2019, 12:50:05 PM
 ;D  You had to try with the hardest steel to work ,rite out of the gate !
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Alto Mare on June 22, 2019, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: oldmanjoe on June 22, 2019, 12:50:05 PM
;D  You had to try with the hardest steel to work ,rite out of the gate !
😁...No Joe, been practicing with aluminum and brass for a couple of months, but just to trying to figure out the best insert for the cutting
Brass and aluminum come out like glass, no tool marking at all
.
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on June 22, 2019, 12:39:09 PM
I believe you are now hooked Sal ;) For stainless cutting tools carbide or Co HSS. Slow speed and heavy on the pressure. There are various cutting fluids out there - I have even used rapeseed oil (canola).
Good tip! And yes I'm finding that out. I've also found out if the tip isn't perfectly center it will snap the insert... this was also a good lesson🙂

Quote from: oc1 on June 21, 2019, 11:37:07 PM
It's really beautiful Sal.  That's a huge chunk of stainless you have to play with. 

I read that some types of stainless are easier to machine but there must be trade-offs there too.
-steve



Yes Steve, 304 is easier to machine, but not by much, to me anyways.
304 might get surface rust if not maintained, but I'm thinking it should last for a very long time.

My lathe has 1hp, I'm not sure if anything lower would cut that size😏.
I guess if you take your time and have new carbide inserts it could be done.

Thanks everyone else.

Sal
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Bryan Young on June 22, 2019, 01:23:11 PM
That's awesome Sal.

Still trying to figure what a top hat is and where would the top hat be installed. Maybe it's too early in the morning for me.
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: RowdyW on June 22, 2019, 01:31:13 PM
Bryan, it's the top washer & spacer sleeve combined for outside accessable drags on early Special Senators & some Senators.      Rudy
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Bryan Young on June 22, 2019, 01:35:13 PM
Ooh. It's definitely too early in the morning for me.
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Swami805 on June 22, 2019, 02:36:38 PM
Nice job Sal, adding another wrinkle.
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: TheReelShop on June 22, 2019, 03:38:37 PM
That's really neat work there Sal. I like how you decided to remove a washer and add it to the top hat. Pretty good idea!

How long did it take from start to finish?
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: David Hall on June 22, 2019, 05:37:07 PM
Another nice hobby to add to your repitoire. 
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Donnyboat on June 22, 2019, 08:01:48 PM
Good work Sal, Nice & beefy, I like the idea of top hats, I have a few reels with them, cheers Don.
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Alto Mare on June 23, 2019, 02:17:19 AM
Quote from: TheReelShop on June 22, 2019, 03:38:37 PM
That's really neat work there Sal. I like how you decided to remove a washer and add it to the top hat. Pretty good idea!

How long did it take from start to finish?
About an hour and 15 minutes.
I did a second one and gained about 15 minutes, but then my wife called me up for dinner, she usually gives me 5 minutes warning and it isn't pretty if I don't make it.
I think I rushed a little while drilling to size and screwed it up...another good lesson.

Thanks!

Sal
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Captain64-200 on June 23, 2019, 09:54:38 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on June 23, 2019, 02:17:19 AM

... but then my wife called me up for dinner, she usually gives me 5 minutes warning and it isn't pretty if I don't make it.



;D   ::)
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: steelhead_killer on June 23, 2019, 02:16:12 PM
endless possibilities!  Nice work.

Andy
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Newell Nut on June 23, 2019, 05:07:22 PM
Great work Sal. Take your time and who knows what you may make next. Keep up the good work. Wish I had room to tinker with a lathe. I still have my rod lathe to play with when the garage cools down again.

Dwight
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Dominick on June 24, 2019, 03:55:04 AM
Good luck Sal.  Watch out for Cathy's left.  She will hit you with so many lefts, you'll beg her for a right.   :D ;D  Dominick
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Makule on June 24, 2019, 07:25:02 AM
Good work, Sal.
SS is the material I typically work with.  Not too bad once you get the right cutting bits.  While carbide will last longer, smaller machines don't usually have enough power to take advantage of their potential.  HSS generally can take a sharper edge and give a better finish, but the sharp edge doesn't last as long.  Certainly, speeds need to be lower than carbide.
Use cutting fluid whenever drilling or parting off.
Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Bill B on July 02, 2019, 01:05:11 AM
Bravo Sal !  impressive work...Bill
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Three se7ens on September 14, 2019, 03:11:17 AM
Nice job!  303 stainless machines much better than 304 and 316 stainless.  If youre looking for saltwater corrosion resistance, stick with 316 though.  The additional molybdenum in 316 specifically improves corrosion resistance in salt water.  Its also a little harder, and machines slightly better than 304. 

The tricky thing with machining stainless is that its relatively soft, but very tough.  Sharp, and wear resistant tools make all the difference.  High quality HSS is a minimum and carbide being preferred. I use both depending on the circumstances and machine. 
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Alto Mare on September 16, 2019, 11:44:16 PM
Thanks Adam! I'm learning quite a bit as I keep using it.

Sal
Title: Re: experimenting with my lathe
Post by: Benni3 on September 17, 2019, 03:12:10 AM
Very cool,,,,,I had to hand sand ss before to round the edges off,,,,, >:( it takes time,,,,, :D great job uncle sal,,,,,,, ;D