I have an extra senator 4/0 spool that is pitted, I was thinking about filling the spots with some 2 part epoxy, sanding smooth, the a few light coats of spray paint.
I'm open to suggestions.
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I have searched this online and basically found a few suggestions/recomendations, but I am nit sure of the difficulty/cost feasability of them.
1). Sometimes the pits can be salvaged (filled) with silver solder and ground & polished only afterwards, if it is steel, brass, or bronze. It needs effort of course.
2)Remove all chrome with sandpaper, smooth pits, polish, have an electroplator plate part to specs focusing first on filling pits. Likely expensive and might be tough to find someone willing to put in the extra effort.
3)Sand/smooth out pits, remove corrosion, paint, anodize, finish, cerakote, or powder coat part.. or just skip it, wax and use.
4) Use epoxy mixed with metal shavings or similar metal filling product to fill holes, sand finish (or not) wax and use.
Just some thoughts. I havn't done anything other than sanding/treating corrosion and waxing before continuing to use.. or replace when really bad.
John
I had a price of $50 USC for replateing a Penn 4/0 bronze spool from a Crome plating company here in Philadelphia and the spool had no pits to be filled in. A new spool proved to be cheaper.
And go for an aluminum spool & lighten up the load considerably.
The epoxy and paint will not last. If you sand out the pits there will not be much metal left. Brazing with brass or silver solder to fill the pits and then milling down the surface will work. That's what a machine shop would do if it was an expensive shaft or something. But, unless it's DIY the cost will be more than a new spool.
Despite the looks, the spool is perfectly usable as-is.
-steve
Quote from: RowdyW on July 12, 2019, 04:32:01 AM
And go for an aluminum spool & lighten up the load considerably.
x2,,,,,it's a world of difference,,,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: RowdyW on July 12, 2019, 04:32:01 AM
And go for an aluminum spool & lighten up the load considerably.
I do have a spare aluminum spool, but it seems like the shaft is a little bit longer on the aluminum spool. Must be for the red senator.
Maybe I'll just use it with stainless wire for trolling
Degrease spool with solvent, then wipe with alcohol. I'd use JB before epoxy. I've painted one spool that had been bead blasted- I use Tractor Supply Farm Implement epoxy for that. The stuff holds up well on axes and shovels so for limited purpose I expect it will hold under fishing line. Not the best solution but most economical- and if one drops or slams a thousand-dollar Accurate twin drag, that anodize will ding too....
If you have an old toaster, bake it at 150 for awhile to cure but do so outdoors. Otherwise set it in hot sun helps- longer the better to really cure it between a couple coats.
Yes, aluminum spool is an upgrade but you can find another used 113 for about the cost of that spool.
John
Quote from: oc1 on July 12, 2019, 05:21:26 AM
Despite the looks, the spool is perfectly usable as-is.
-steve
Yes, and most of it won't show when you have line on the spool.
Best,
Fred
If the "pits" aren't rough enough to possibly damage the line, I'd just "fish it", and spend my money on a stainless gear sleeve, and better drags. As Fred mentioned, you won't see much of it, when it's filled, anyway. Any pre -line treatment....wax, grease,...whatever, and good reel cleaning after use, will keep the corrosion to a minimum.
Quote from: Leckbass on July 12, 2019, 11:01:44 AM
Quote from: RowdyW on July 12, 2019, 04:32:01 AM
And go for an aluminum spool & lighten up the load considerably.
I do have a spare aluminum spool, but it seems like the shaft is a little bit longer on the aluminum spool. Must be for the red senator.
Maybe I'll just use it with stainless wire for trolling
As far as I know, there is no aluminum spool for the 113, black Senator. Yes, the 113H has the longer shaft.
This brings to mind the "Grouper Special" which is a narrowed 113 blackie, that uses a 66 stainless spool. If you're into tinkering, it's a cool project. There's are even options for the gears and drags that do not require custom parts.
29L-113 is a black aluminum spool for a black plated 113 4/0 Rudy
Quote from: Crow on July 12, 2019, 04:28:36 PM
If the "pits" aren't rough enough to possibly damage the line, I'd just "fish it", and spend my money on a stainless gear sleeve, and better drags. As Fred mentioned, you won't see much of it, when it's filled, anyway. Any pre -line treatment....wax, grease,...whatever, and good reel cleaning after use, will keep the corrosion to a minimum.
Yup! ... my thoughts exactly...
Sal
If your going to fish with it, I wood make sure you get all of the vertagus & patana, out of it, the spin it in a drill, using wet n dry cloth, to smooth it of, the place some marine grease on it, & fill it up with line, cheers Don.
A soak in white vinegar will get rid of the corrosion that's deep in the pits. Then a coat of clear lacquer from a rattle can & then wax it with a paste wax not a liquid polish. JMO
I agree with several others about just use as is with some grease or wax on it, but you gotta test it to see if it's gonna nick your line, first. How to? I own't know for sure. Pull alla line off under drag pressure?
Old timers always taught me to test spools and rod line guides for burrs or nicks this way —
Soak the spool with vinegar overnight to arrest and stop the corrosive action of the Verdigris.
Spin the spool in the reel by hand — or hooked up to a line winder machine.
Apply 600 grit emory paper to the spool to smooth out any rough craters.
Clean the spool in warm water, dry it completely.
Use a woman's stocking to run it over the spool to detect if there are any places that might catch the line.
This also works on rod line guides.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: RowdyW on July 12, 2019, 11:45:13 PM
A soak in white vinegar will get rid of the corrosion that's deep in the pits. Then a coat of clear lacquer from a rattle can & then wax it with a paste wax not a liquid polish. JMO
I already soaked it in CLR, cleaned it up pretty good. I think I'll give the spray lacquer a try on my spare spool
Quote from: Gfish on July 13, 2019, 12:06:24 AM
I agree with several others about just use as is with some grease or wax on it, but you gotta test it to see if it's gonna nick your line, first. How to? I own't know for sure. Pull alla line off under drag pressure?
Easier than that, use an old pair of pantyhose, they will catch on almost anything.
For the uninitiated, stocking and pantyhose are very similar garments.
The Man
Clean it up, test as described above, and fish it.....or replace......this is a workhorse reel and "pretty" does not catch any more fish....JMO. Bill
You gotta look at it like this...the spool is already hit...what do you have to loose? Sand it well with 320-600 and spray on a quality paint. If it comes off then pursue other options, but I gotta tell ya, I sprayed this 3/0N spool a few years ago and it's been fished a few times with no loss. It was aluminum though, maybe that works better? 8)
Quote from: mo65 on July 25, 2019, 08:53:03 PM
You gotta look at it like this...the spool is already hit...what do you have to loose? Sand it well with 320-600 and spray on a quality paint. If it comes off then pursue other options, but I gotta tell ya, I sprayed this 3/0N spool a few years ago and it's been fished a few times with no loss. It was aluminum though, maybe that works better? 8)
looks great to me! What paint did you use?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-Senator-113-4-0-Offshore-Reel-Lot-P-1/173867078719 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-Senator-113-4-0-Offshore-Reel-Lot-P-1/173867078719)
Make an investment . . . Get a better spool and spare parts, too.
Tight Lines !
Quote from: Leckbass on July 26, 2019, 05:45:22 PM
looks great to me! What paint did you use?
Here's what I used. I've painted two reels, a set of Newell bars, that spool, and
still have half a can of paint. For six bucks! 8)
https://www.lowes.com/pd/rust-oleum-professional-semi-gloss-black-spray-paint-actual-net-contents-15-oz/3728835?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-pnt-_-google-_-lia-_-219-_-spraypaint-_-3728835-_-0&store_code=472&gclid=Cj0KCQjwy97qBRDoARIsAITONTKO_zdC_cVGSwaXD34c5LzHdk05tYYu829RZTmus2Z8m9XO__evBJwaAi9DEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
Mo when you spray painted the spool did you use any type of primer? Reel looks good all dressed up an ready for thr prom!
Quote from: George6308 on August 17, 2019, 07:25:43 PM
Mo when you spray painted the spool did you use any type of primer? Reel looks good all dressed up an ready for the prom!
All I did was wash the spool with soap and water, then wet sand with 320. Then wiped completely clean with alcohol and a cotton ball. Just two coats...about a half hour apart.