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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Accurate Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: sabaman1 on August 09, 2019, 01:41:15 PM

Title: Accurate frame
Post by: sabaman1 on August 09, 2019, 01:41:15 PM
 I purchased an Accurate frame a while back that was supposed to fit a penn squidder 145, in trying the frame it was not the proper size.
The frame measures 2" in wide, looking at Mystic parts frame post sizes of all their reels listed I cant find any that are 2"inches. The screw pattern
seems to be of a Penn reel. Any help in what this frame would fit on would be greatly appreciated!
 
               Thanks Jim
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: Alto Mare on August 09, 2019, 02:56:01 PM
Some of the Accurate frames came with additional  drilled holes to accept a few other reels.
Does the frame have a number stamped on the back side? Can't really go with dimensions when looking for these, most go with the model number on the frame.
Here is a list on Tiburon, these would be the same as Accurate:
These are for the Squidder:
https://www.tiburonfishingreels.com/squidder

And the Senator:
https://www.tiburonfishingreels.com/senator

Model # on the left, reel size on the right.

Sal
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: sabaman1 on August 09, 2019, 03:18:11 PM
Sal, there are no numbers on the frame anywhere that I can find. I left an email to accurate quite a while back and I never got any response. If I can figure out how to download a picture I'll try to post some. I'm wondering if its a frame for the older Penn International 6, but I can't seem to find any info on the frame post size of them?

   Thanks Jim
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: Alto Mare on August 09, 2019, 03:26:36 PM
Jim, I won't be able to help with the 2" you've mentioned, maybe someone else could.
The squidder frame for the 145 is 2 1/8" wide from the outer edge.

Sal
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: sabaman1 on August 09, 2019, 03:40:28 PM
Thanks Sal for trying to help me out, I really appreciate your taking time!
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: Vintage Offshore Tackle on August 09, 2019, 04:27:27 PM
Jim, Accurate made a mistake when they produced the 145 kits. They made them 2" wide instead of the standard 2 1/8" wide.

The only spool that will fit that frame is the spool that Accurate made to fit it, and I do not believe that they made any extra spools.  Unless someone reading this thread happens to have one gathering dust, you have two chances to find one of those spools: Slim and none. 

One other possibility: Newell Penn spools used two-piece construction, split down the middle.  Jerry Downie knows how to take one apart narrow the body and trim the shaft for you and put it all back together for you, but it would be an awful lot of work to save one frame.  I have a Newell 145 aluminum spool if you want one, but they are not cheap.  I have a Penn 145 plastic spool, which is also two piece construction, that you can have for free if you want to screw around with it yourself.

On the brighter side, your frame will make a nice paper weight. 

Good luck,

Randy
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: xjchad on August 09, 2019, 04:37:08 PM
Could he not make a 1/16" spacer for each side of the frame and use the standard 145 spool?
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: Alto Mare on August 09, 2019, 05:00:33 PM
Quote from: xjchad on August 09, 2019, 04:37:08 PM
Could he not make a 1/16" spacer for each side of the frame and use the standard 145 spool?
Absolutely, I was taking a pic for jim to give him an idea of using rings, but 10 ss washers will work just as good.

I was thinking for him to cut two rings that are not in great shape as i'm showing here
(https://i.imgur.com/CdIxLKa.jpg)
He would round off the edge by the arrow and file down the lip  so it would go over the mounting screws at the bottom.
Washers or ring would give close enough dimensions to make it work.

Of course, if you are concerned about looks, this might not be a good option for you.
The ring does slide over the frame, so,  it might not look bad
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: xjchad on August 09, 2019, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 09, 2019, 05:00:33 PM
Quote from: xjchad on August 09, 2019, 04:37:08 PM
Could he not make a 1/16" spacer for each side of the frame and use the standard 145 spool?
Absolutely, I was taking a pic for jim to give him an idea of using rings, but 10 ss washers will work just as good.

I was thinking for him to cut two rings that are not in great shape as i'm showing here
(https://i.imgur.com/CdIxLKa.jpg)
He would round off the edge by the arrow and file down the lip  so it would go over the mounting screws at the bottom.
Washers or ring would give close enough dimensions to make it work.

Of course, if you are concerned about looks, this might not be a good option for you.
The ring does slide over the frame, so,  it might not look bad

Perfect Sal!
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: Vintage Offshore Tackle on August 09, 2019, 05:22:04 PM
That's a great idea!
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: Crow on August 09, 2019, 05:23:43 PM
Looks like a good "fix" !
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: Decker on August 09, 2019, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on August 09, 2019, 04:27:27 PM
Accurate made a mistake

Then Sal comes in with a solution.  :o

Hope I don't have the misfortune to ever buy one of those.
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: sabaman1 on August 09, 2019, 06:08:25 PM
Thanks for the input guys and Randy for letting me know that this one was a special cut. I really like your idea Sal, I have plenty of rings to work with. With a dremel and file that one seems like a good challenge!

      Thanks Jim
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: xjchad on August 09, 2019, 06:24:35 PM
Quote from: sabaman1 on August 09, 2019, 06:08:25 PM
Thanks for the input guys and Randy for letting me know that this one was a special cut. I really like your idea Sal, I have plenty of rings to work with. With a dremel and file that one seems like a good challenge!

      Thanks Jim

Be sure to keep us posted on your progress!  :)
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: jurelometer on August 09, 2019, 07:03:33 PM
Quote from: xjchad on August 09, 2019, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 09, 2019, 05:00:33 PM
Quote from: xjchad on August 09, 2019, 04:37:08 PM
Could he not make a 1/16" spacer for each side of the frame and use the standard 145 spool?
Absolutely, I was taking a pic for jim to give him an idea of using rings, but 10 ss washers will work just as good.

I was thinking for him to cut two rings that are not in great shape as i'm showing here
(https://i.imgur.com/CdIxLKa.jpg)
He would round off the edge by the arrow and file down the lip  so it would go over the mounting screws at the bottom.
Washers or ring would give close enough dimensions to make it work.

Of course, if you are concerned about looks, this might not be a good option for you.
The ring does slide over the frame, so,  it might not look bad

Perfect Sal!

On a side note:  is it the angle, or is the top left hole in the frame out of alignment in Sal's  photo?

....



Good ideas!  Are the rings the right thickness?

With a bit of fidgeting, a coping or jig saw, drill and some sandpaper,   It wouldn't be difficult for somebody to cut a nice set out of delrin if the sheet stock thickness is the same.  Delrin is really easy to work with, doesn't creep much at all, and would provide a corrosion barrier.  A local retail plastics shop should be willing to cut a small chunk to order.

Randy: Are there many of these standalone frames out there?  It would not be too tricky to make up a batch of delrin spacers.

One other idea:   If somebody has the exact measurements for the hole pattern,  I can 3D print some spacers out  of a carbon fiber/plastic blend  for Jim to try.  In the words of Henry Ford "Any color you want, as long as it is black".    ;D.   N/C

  PM me if interested.

-J
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: Alto Mare on August 09, 2019, 07:12:56 PM
Hello Dave, the hole pattern lines up, it is just the angle of the pic.
That would be very nice of you to make Jim some custom spacers, he should go for it, i've seen some of your work. I bet that reel would look sharp and unique.

Sal
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: RowdyW on August 09, 2019, 08:28:19 PM
I have a Accurate Frame that was supposed to be a 113HLW frame. It was a little to narrow for the Penn HLW spool to fit & only had 6 holes on each side. The six holes lined up with the 8 hole Penn plates but 2 holes were not in the frame on each side. I made up the difference in width by using an extra set of inner rings installed backwards & installed a LB 268 spool. It was a perfect fit but the plates had 2 holes that the frame didn't have. I used it with a set of 113 4/0 Senator plates that Sal modified for me with double dogs & upped the gear ratio to 2.6 to 1 when he first started to to modify a Grouper Special to an even a higher ratio than my 2.4 ratio. Sal, do you remember that one?   ;)           Rudy
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: Vintage Offshore Tackle on August 09, 2019, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: jurelometer on August 09, 2019, 07:03:33 PM
Quote from: xjchad on August 09, 2019, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 09, 2019, 05:00:33 PM
Quote from: xjchad on August 09, 2019, 04:37:08 PM
Could he not make a 1/16" spacer for each side of the frame and use the standard 145 spool?
Absolutely, I was taking a pic for jim to give him an idea of using rings, but 10 ss washers will work just as good.

I was thinking for him to cut two rings that are not in great shape as i'm showing here
(https://i.imgur.com/CdIxLKa.jpg)
He would round off the edge by the arrow and file down the lip  so it would go over the mounting screws at the bottom.
Washers or ring would give close enough dimensions to make it work.

Of course, if you are concerned about looks, this might not be a good option for you.
The ring does slide over the frame, so,  it might not look bad

Perfect Sal!

On a side note:  is it the angle, or is the top left hole in the frame out of alignment in Sal's  photo?

....



Good ideas!  Are the rings the right thickness?

With a bit of fidgeting, a coping or jig saw, drill and some sandpaper,   It wouldn't be difficult for somebody to cut a nice set out of delrin if the sheet stock thickness is the same.  Delrin is really easy to work with, doesn't creep much at all, and would provide a corrosion barrier.  A local retail plastics shop should be willing to cut a small chunk to order.

Randy: Are there many of these standalone frames out there?  It would not be too tricky to make up a batch of delrin spacers.

One other idea:   If somebody has the exact measurements for the hole pattern,  I can 3D print some spacers out  of a carbon fiber/plastic blend  for Jim to try.  In the words of Henry Ford "Any color you want, as long as it is black".    ;D.   N/C

  PM me if interested.

-J

Dave, I believe that Accurate produced only complete frame/spool kits.  I am sure that there are a few standalone frames out there, as Jim found one, but they are going to be very few and far between.
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: sabaman1 on August 10, 2019, 01:52:52 AM
 Wow, I like the idea of the delrin spacer. I tried some rings from a 155 and reversed them and they seemed like they might work
with some modification the screw pattern for the frame matches the Penn 2-155 rings. Felt a little tight when I turned the handle
and sounded like a little spool rubbing somewhere. Where would be a good source for delrin sheets 1/16" in?

    Thanks for all ideas!
              Jim
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: George6308 on August 10, 2019, 04:51:22 AM
McMaster-Carr has the Delrin sheets.
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: jurelometer on August 10, 2019, 04:53:58 AM
Quote from: sabaman1 on August 10, 2019, 01:52:52 AM
Wow, I like the idea of the delrin spacer. I tried some rings from a 155 and reversed them and they seemed like they might work
with some modification the screw pattern for the frame matches the Penn 2-155 rings. Felt a little tight when I turned the handle
and sounded like a little spool rubbing somewhere. Where would be a good source for delrin sheets 1/16" in?

    Thanks for all ideas!
              Jim


As I mentioned in my post, try your local plastics retailer.  In my town, that is TAP Plastics.    TAP will happily cut small chunks to order.  But you can find the stuff on Amazon, ebay, etc. or tons of other  places online, but  in larger fixed sizes.   In my town, some of the metal suppliers also carry acetal/delrin, but they are not very excited about customers that call up asking about  4 square inches of 1/16 (they may hang up on you  :D).   For your purposes, Delrin (DuPont trade name for acetal homopolymer), or generic acetal copolymer are interchangeable,  so look for both Delrin and acetal.    I seem to remember that nominal thickness is typically the same as actual thickness (+/- listed tolerance) for delrin/acetal sheets,  but it is worth checking before you buy.  For other plastics, actual  is typically a couple thou thinner than nominal or worse.


Post a photo when you finish!

-J
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: Alto Mare on August 10, 2019, 10:53:52 AM
Quote from: sabaman1 on August 10, 2019, 01:52:52 AM
Wow, I like the idea of the delrin spacer. I tried some rings from a 155 and reversed them and they seemed like they might work
with some modification the screw pattern for the frame matches the Penn 2-155 rings. Felt a little tight when I turned the handle
and sounded like a little spool rubbing somewhere. Where would be a good source for delrin sheets 1/16" in?

   Thanks for all ideas!
             Jim

Jim, if you you wanted to give it a shot, here is one place you could try for the Delrin
https://www.mcmaster.com/#8662K15

You also have another choice

If you don't need that reel back right away, put all parts  in a box and send it over, I want to see what I could do with it...N/C

Sal
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: sabaman1 on August 10, 2019, 03:26:39 PM
Thanks Sal!, I'll pm you.
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: ez2cdave on August 19, 2019, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 10, 2019, 10:53:52 AMIf you don't need that reel back right away, put all parts  in a box and send it over, I want to see what I could do with it...N/C

Sal

THAT is what is known as "an offer you can't refuse" . . .

Sal is a "class act", in many ways !

Tight Lines !
Title: Re: Accurate frame
Post by: Alto Mare on August 19, 2019, 12:41:27 AM
Quote from: ez2cdave on August 19, 2019, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 10, 2019, 10:53:52 AMIf you don't need that reel back right away, put all parts  in a box and send it over, I want to see what I could do with it...N/C

Sal

THAT is what is known as "an offer you can't refuse" . . .

Sal is a "class act", in many ways !

Tight Lines !

Thanks for the kind words Dave.

Best,

Sal