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Title: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: Crow on November 18, 2019, 12:32:12 PM
OK, I like to fish with either a "small" whole crab...or half of a "normal" crab, as bait, when surf fishing in the gulf. Issue is, I tend to "throw them off", when casting. Any tips ? Maybe "tie" them on ? The smaller , whole crabs (they call 'em "ghost crabs", down there) I hook by inserting into a "joint" in the shell, and then out "through" the shell...that works ...sort of. The "half crabs" (blue crab, usually), actually seem to work the best for the Red, and black drum, but are really hard to keep on the hook.........thanks !


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: oc1 on November 18, 2019, 12:40:26 PM
I'm not sure there is a good way to do it, but small rubber bands help a lot.
-steve


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: Ron Jones on November 18, 2019, 03:07:08 PM
I've served them on just like you do a live mackerel for trolling. Thread can be as simple and cheap as you can find. Wrapping between the legs lets the crab act natural, hook on top keeps snags away.
The Man


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: philaroman on November 18, 2019, 04:33:12 PM
soft copper wire works...

also, get/make the Breakaway rig, or equivalent: https://www.breakawaytackleusa.com/products/leaders-rigs/far-out-rigs/

it really helps to have the bait not flopping around & everything in-line, behind the weigh, during the cast

kinda' expensive, but once you know you like it, you just get the specialized clips in bulk

& make your own (there are several effective designs that do the same thing)


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: festus on November 18, 2019, 06:26:28 PM
I'm not sure there is a good way to do it, but small rubber bands help a lot.
-steve
l've never fished using a crab in saltwater, but that's a good idea.  We use rubber bands on crawfish in rivers and lakes.


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: rodent on November 18, 2019, 06:44:59 PM
Amazon, “Atlas Mike’s” miracle thread, thin, elastic made specifically for wrapping bait. YouTube the South Africans or British, they have a lot of ways for bait presentations to cast far distances without coming off.


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on November 19, 2019, 02:28:25 AM
On the rare occasions that I 'bait and wait' I use bait elastic - basically a thin elasticated thread. That way you don't have to hook the bait just hold it against the hook 'whip it' on. You can then cast a good distance knowing that your bait will stay in place.
A dispenser for the elastic also helps.
e.g.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tronixpro-Bait-Elastic-Line-Fine-Regular-Heavy-Sea-Fishing-Baiting-Tackle-100mtr/254399244347?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: Captain64-200 on November 19, 2019, 12:04:35 PM
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Those two methods are equally efficient  ,   I prefer the 2 hooks , specially targeting all kinds of porgys  (better hookup ratio )


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: Bryan Young on November 19, 2019, 09:07:12 PM
My rigging for live crab is remove the claws, then the top shell, and split in half.  I then remove the 3rd or 4th leg (depending on the size of the hook), and insert the hood where the claw used to be and come out where I removed the other leg. My uncle taught me this and he was one of Hawaii’s old timer shore fisherman.   It held out great and the sent of the fresh crab brought fish in.


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: Gobi King on November 20, 2019, 05:40:09 AM
Crow,
Never done it myself so take that with some crabs.

I watched guys on Dauphin Island - Ceder Point cut crabs in half and put the hook through sturdy part and and gently cast it.

Watched those guys get some big Reds


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: Crow on November 20, 2019, 06:19:26 AM
   Yeah....crabs are the "go to" for the larger drum. And as Bryan pointed out...if they are "cut open", they seem to work better....more scent gets into the water, I guess. The issue I have is getting them "out there"...short "lob casts" are OK, but in order to get them out very far, it takes more "oomph", and they tend to "part company" with the rig!  I've gotten some tips / ideas to try...and ordered one of those "breakaway" rigs, to try. I'm also thinking of trying some of that "net material"( like the gals used to make "prom dresses" from), and use it to wrap the crab, then "tie it, a bit, with some aluminum wire (really don't want to use copper, and I have some "soft" aluminum, anyway :-\). I guess, if I was a better "caster", that would help, also  :D.
   I usually try to fish one set-up with either a crab (IF i can catch the rascals !), or a fish head (whitting or croaker).......larger hook, and heavier line, but, as "luck" would have it....the big drum always seem to hit on the rigs with 8 lb. line, and a size 6 hook, baited with a chunk of shrimp ???


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: philaroman on November 20, 2019, 06:36:17 AM
oh, wow, totally forgot:

there's this alcohol-based twine & netting that carp anglers use to "cast the chum with the bait"
you could just about mummify your HOWEVER-HOOKED crab into whatever aerodynamic shape/position & the stuff dissolves minutes after water contact

I'll look up the details


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: Gobi King on November 20, 2019, 06:42:45 AM
I am interested in that also Phil, good thought.

We have synthetic stuff to tie spawn bags for salmon/trout in MI but I don't think they will dissolve away


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: philaroman on November 20, 2019, 06:58:42 AM
OK, so to find the stuff you have to:
  • know that it's called "PVA mesh"
  • realize it's in an obscure category "Baiting Aids"
  • most importantly, correctly spell "baiting" in "Baiting Aids"  :o

https://www.bigcarptackle.com/bait/baiting-aids/pva/pva/

P.S. there's slow-melt & fast-melt




Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: Crow on November 20, 2019, 07:33:36 AM
I found that "pva" stuff on Amazon.....ordered some in "bag" form...a couple different sizes. It sure looks to be a pretty good option.....I was thinking that the 'organza' (or whatever that prom dress stuff is called) might not be something I wanted to see floating around in the gulf !  Too much crap out there, already !
https://www.amazon.com/Drchoer-Universal-RefillBait-Accessories-Available/dp/B07PG6DDK2/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=pva+bags&qid=1574263763&s=amazon-d

on another note... I just heard from two of the "snowbird fisherman's club", who are already "on island"....they tell me the whitting are biting really good, and are "nice sized", BUT, they are 'wormy" :'(. . 7 years ago, when we first went there, it was only the "bigger" black drum that had "worms", now  , it seems almost everything that you catch from the beach has them ! I suppose that might be a result of the decline in water quality  ???


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: oc1 on November 20, 2019, 11:46:16 AM
they tell me the whitting are biting really good, and are "nice sized", BUT, they are 'wormy" :'(. . 7 years ago, when we first went there, it was only the "bigger" black drum that had "worms", now  , it seems almost everything that you catch from the beach has them ! I suppose that might be a result of the decline in water quality  ???
I bet you can find a worm in every marine fish if you know what to look for.  It is better not to know what to look for and to just keep eating them like you've always done.  Do not, under any circumstances, read Robin Overstreet's book which is now available at a very reasonable price from Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Marine-Maladies-Symbionts-Northern-Mexico/dp/B00AHGF0F2 (https://www.amazon.com/Marine-Maladies-Symbionts-Northern-Mexico/dp/B00AHGF0F2)
-steve


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: philaroman on November 20, 2019, 10:23:31 PM
I found that "pva" stuff on Amazon.....ordered some in "bag" form...a couple different sizes. It sure looks to be a pretty good option.....I was thinking that the 'organza' (or whatever that prom dress stuff is called) might not be something I wanted to see floating around in the gulf !  Too much crap out there, already !

been thinkin' (it only hurt a little)

the carp guys are generally working in drier conditions (spray, mist, fog and such) and their bait/chum is not surface-damp
maybe, only the slow-melt PVA is practical for S/W logistics -- it IS water-soluble, after all
(maybe, change your order if you still can)

please let us know how the stuff works out (I only know about it -- never tried it)
specifically, is it strong enough to put in EVERYTHING: lead, baited hook(s), loose bits as chum, etc.
so you're casting "one object"


Title: Re: Best Way to Rig a Crab, as Bait
Post by: Fishy247 on November 21, 2019, 12:57:56 PM
That sounds like a really cool product. I'm looking forward to hearing how it works out! Is it expensive?

MIke