Lately I've discovered some of the smaller Daiwa silver spinners, the 500C, 1000C, and 1300C. Checked for a 700C and they're priced outrageous on ebay--67 bucks for a used one, and $190 plus shipping for a NIB. :o ???
In the meantime, the Daiwa 70X is an economical version of the 700C and can be found for a fraction of the price.
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Removing handle by turning clockwise.
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Removing the spool.
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Removing the cover plate.
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First look inside. There is the familiar oscillating slider with the loop.
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Removing the oscillating slider pin allows removal of the axle and removal of the oscillating slider.
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Removing the three drive gear washers.
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Removing the drive gear.
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Removal of the U-shaped pinion retainer allows removal of the rotor. These entry level Daiwas from back in the day had the pinion gear built onto the rotor.
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A look at the bottom of the rotor.
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A look at the top of the rotor.
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From the looks inside of this reel, it appeared to may have been serviced at one time by someone who didn't know what they were doing. Very little grease in there but lots of old runny black oil. I wouldn't doubt somebody wiped most of the grease out of it then applied oil instead of grease. It was running rough straight out of the box and definitely needed serviced.
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It cleaned up very easily, however. Only 3 washers in the drag assembly.
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Reattaching the rotor.
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Reinserting the drive gear.
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Reinserting the oscillating slider.....
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.....and pin.
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To save time and disk space, I didn't take pics of the entire reassembly.
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You can see the weight, 6.84 oz, so this 70X is definitely considered an ultralight. Of course it isn't as smooth as the 500C and 1000C, I imagine the lack of ball bearing and the pinion built into the rotor contribute to that. Retrieve ratio seems to be a tad below 4:1. This one is made in Korea. Line capacity listed on the spool is 110 yds of 4 lb. mono and 90 yds of 6 lb. mono. 4 lb. mono would be ideal.
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Schematic.
That one was plum full of black gold...Texas tea! It's odd how the smaller numbered "X" series reels have a more budget build than the "C" reels, yet the larger number models are an improved build. I seem to remember a 70XX that has a separate pinion with a bushing. Your collection is growing Chester, thanks for all the posts about the various models, the photos and info are very helpful. 8)
As usual, a nice write up & pics.
Frank
Well done, Chester. Keep up the good work. You've been showing me the innards & workings of reels I probably never would have seen. 8)
Quote from: festus on December 04, 2019, 10:50:31 PMLately I've discovered some of the smaller Daiwa silver spinners, the 500C, 1000C, and 1300C. Checked for a 700C and they're priced outrageous on ebay--67 bucks for a used one, and $190 plus shipping for a NIB. :o ???
I have a 70RL and it appears to be the same as your 70X. Unfortunately, it is not very smooth and it will "hang up" slightly during a slow retrieve. Did yours get smooth after the tune-up?
Also, does your spool sit solidly? Mine tends to wobble, not sure if I have a defective spool.
The reel does have some impressive qualities for a budget model though, like a very solid anti-reverse and the screw-in handle.
Thanks for the write-up!
Quote from: nelz on December 05, 2019, 05:49:52 AM
Quote from: festus on December 04, 2019, 10:50:31 PMLately I've discovered some of the smaller Daiwa silver spinners, the 500C, 1000C, and 1300C. Checked for a 700C and they're priced outrageous on ebay--67 bucks for a used one, and $190 plus shipping for a NIB. :o ???
I have a 70RL and it appears to be the same as your 70X. Unfortunately, it is not very smooth and it will "hang up" slightly during a slow retrieve. Did yours get smooth after the tune-up?
Also, does your spool sit solidly? Mine tends to wobble, not sure if I have a defective spool.
The reel does have some impressive qualities for a budget model though, like a very solid anti-reverse and the screw-in handle.
Thanks for the write-up!
Before I serviced it, yes, it would hang up a little but after I got it back together it's fine, no rotor wobble either.
Thanks Festus, but actually it's not the rotor that wobbles, it's the spool. If it's not too much hassle, could you post a pic of the underside of your spool?
Sometimes it just needs a service -- and another, perhaps thicker, or newer under-spool washer.
Best, Fred
Quote from: nelz on December 06, 2019, 12:13:50 AM
Thanks Festus, but actually it's not the rotor that wobbles, it's the spool. If it's not too much hassle, could you post a pic of the underside of your spool?
Here you go, nelz. Mine is missing the spool click spring and pawl assembly.
Thanks man! Yeah, it looks like mine is missing what appears to be a pressed in sleeve in the spool's hole so it doesn't grip the shaft snugly and wobbles.
Was your clicker missing or did you remove it?
Quote from: nelz on December 06, 2019, 02:41:59 AM
Thanks man! Yeah, it looks like mine is missing what appears to be a pressed in sleeve in the spool's hole so it doesn't grip the shaft snugly and wobbles.
Was your clicker missing or did you remove it?
Mine was missing. I checked some of my other Daiwas and they have the same setup. I'll eventually find a donor reel hopefully and replace those 3 missing pieces.
not sure, but maybe the oldest Japan-made Spinmatics were similar platform "suped-up"
(completely different from modern outsourced plastic Spinmatic)
could only find rear-drags on eBay:
https://www.ebay.ca/sch/Sporting-Goods/888/i.html?_from=R40&LH_Complete=1&_nkw=DAIWA+SPINMATIC
Quote from: festus on December 06, 2019, 03:06:20 AMMine was missing. I checked some of my other Daiwas and they have the same setup. I'll eventually find a donor reel hopefully and replace those 3 missing pieces
I removed mine, you can have them if you'd like. PM me your address and I'll send them out to you.
Thanks for doing that!
I really like the vintage Diawa's, I've been fishing a mini mite for more years then I can remember.
Quote from: ClintB on December 06, 2019, 04:33:42 PM
Thanks for doing that!
I really like the vintage Diawa's, I've been fishing a mini mite for more years then I can remember.
Clint, I see you have one of the Daiwa 7250. I just finished a tutorial on one of those. https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=30000.0
Hey Chester, the clicker parts are in the mail, but you'll just need the little c-clip to hold it all in place.
Quote from: nelz on December 11, 2019, 02:45:10 PM
Hey Chester, the clicker parts are in the mail, but you'll just need the little c-clip to hold it all in place.
Thanks, I may have one laying around that will work. If not, surely the hardware store has one that'll fit.
[/quote]Clint, I see you have one of the Daiwa 7250. I just finished a tutorial on one of those. https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=30000.0
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I've got 3-4 of those, good solid old reels. I saw the tutorial on that one, AWSOME!
Quote from: ClintB on December 06, 2019, 04:33:42 PM
I've been fishing a mini mite for more years then I can remember.
Shimano's attempt for comparison. I think the Shimano is later. The Shimano has a graphite frame with a bit of flex in the stand. The Shimano is canted more for modern guide placement. The Diawa has slightly more line capacity.
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Reel, line and 10 ft Chinese 4 wt graphite rod. Includes almost three ounces of lead in the butt cap for counterweight.
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-steve
Beautiful Steve! Just Beautiful! :o
That is a interesting wrap Steve, great idea. Out of curiosity is that last one made from lau hala?
sweet combo
been tinkering w/ the 3-bearing version (Spirex 500) -- hate the 2-stack drag & line roller
getting close to figuring out how to jam a tiny 6-stack and a huge bearing inside that little spool;
upgrade to "clicky" drag knob; and solid SiC roller...
so far, it looks like I'll be using Chinese Abu, Okuma and Pflueger parts, but the list may grow, LOL
I'm not of a spinner guy. But the fish are really scarce and I'm desperate. I finally found a few but they are hold up in a really gnarly area that is full of live branching coral with a few scattered pockets of the smoother coral rubble where the fish feed. With the usual 3/8 or 1/4 ounce jig almost every casts ends with me paddling over to free the jig snagged on the bottom and chasing off the fish. A 1/8 ounce jig will settle to the bottom more gently and jump almost straight up when the rod is twitched so it snags less often. But, the casting distance drops from about 135 feet to about 90 feet. Since my sphere of influence is about 40 feet, that leaves a pretty small donut where it's possible to get a bite.
The usual dogma is that you have to switch from convention baitcasting to a spinning outfit when the lure feels too light to cast. Maybe the Mini Mite is not the right spinner for the job. I don't know about that stuff.
By chance, I have a slightly modified Langley Target on a casting rod built on a blank identical to the spinning rod above. The only difference is the rod guides.
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The Langley has 100 yards of 20# Power Pro. The Diawa has 100 yards of 10# Power Pro because the larger line would not fit.
Here's where it gets weird. The Langley has magnets and it was originally tuned to cast thumb-free with a 1/4 ounce jig. With a lighter 1/8 ounce jig it would backlash in the worst way and I had to add a lot more magnets to cast it. I have never understood why you need more magnet braking for a lighter lure weight. I wish someone could explain it.
Here's the other weird thing.... they cast almost the same distance. The Diawa spinner would throw groupings at 94.5 feet. The Langley groupings centered around 92 feet. It's not supposed to work that way and I don't understand it. The spinner does not seem to be slapping the guides too bad. Maybe I need a reel with a larger diameter spool or something? I'm not putting up with this thing for a measly extra two-and-a-half feet.
-steve
Oh, sorry Chester. I got off the track. Never mind.
Quote from: oc1 on December 12, 2019, 07:16:42 AM
I have never understood why you need more magnet braking for a lighter lure weight. I wish someone could explain it.
I think what happens is the smaller lure has less inertia, and stops pulling line faster than the heavier bait, allowing the spool to out run it.
Quote from: mo65 on December 12, 2019, 02:39:27 PM
I think what happens is the smaller lure has less inertia, and stops pulling line faster than the heavier bait, allowing the spool to out run it.
That makes sense. Thank you.
-steve
Quote from: nelz on December 11, 2019, 02:45:10 PM
Hey Chester, the clicker parts are in the mail, but you'll just need the little c-clip to hold it all in place.
Thanks, Nelz, got them out of the mailbox earlier. I didn't have a c-clip that would work but found one at Ace Hardware. The reel is fully functional now thanks to you.
BTW, I like this 70X even better than the 500C or 1000C, not only because of the internal bail assembly but also the size is perfect. And these can be found at a fraction of the price of the other two.
OK, so all this love & internal bail made me take a closer look...
the brass-sleeved, direct-drive main looks kinda' cool, BUT
is that a pot-metal [PINION ??? :o :'(
Quote from: festus on December 12, 2019, 07:40:40 PMThanks, Nelz, got them out of the mailbox earlier. I didn't have a c-clip that would work but found one at Ace Hardware. The reel is fully functional now thanks to you.
Wow, that was fast! Glad to help, heck, enough folks here have done as much and more for me. :)