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Title: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: El Pescador on January 31, 2020, 06:16:26 AM
Everyone,

this from our AU member of good standing Don -

he asked if I would post this for him,

Don you are now posted, take it away.

Wayne

Hi Wayne & Jennifer, hope your both keeping well, Wayne old mate buddy pal,
if I send you some photos of the internal construction, of a handle of off a Daiwa 47SH self levelling fishing reel, could you place it on the forum, under the general procedures section, & I will take it from there, I might contact Sal, first just to see, if he can give me any info on making a new handle.
The story is I brought this reel, from a bloke in South Australia, he posted it without any packing around it, & the handle finished up broken in half, so the pics will show many of the members the internals of a handle that they have never viewed before,
hopefully I can construct one from a rubber push bike handle, filled with two pack epoxy, on an angle, if I coat the shaft of the internals with marine grease, then that should stop the epoxy for setting on the internal shaft, allowing the new handle to pivot, thanks Wayne will contact you soon, if that will be okay, cheers Don.

(https://alantani.com/gallery/31/7588_31_01_20_7_15_30.jpeg)

(https://alantani.com/gallery/31/7588_31_01_20_7_14_42_317801241.jpeg)

(https://alantani.com/gallery/31/7588_31_01_20_7_14_43_317822079.jpeg)


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: thorhammer on January 31, 2020, 07:04:19 AM
Don, if you don't sort this one to your satisfaction I might have one of these- I will try to look this weekend. If I have its yours, NC.



John


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Gfish on January 31, 2020, 07:20:10 AM
That's a great cross sectional view of knob structure that I've never seen. Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Donnyboat on January 31, 2020, 08:09:16 AM
Hay Wayne thanks again man, your so helpful to me.
     John thanks so much for your generous offer, but i am sure I will be able to fix it, so dont waste any of your time just now, if I need it I will PM you later.
     Yes Gfish, it is a view of the inside look of a Daiwa handle, I would imadgen not many members have ever seen before, thats why I wanted to post it.
     As I told Wayne, I have a rubber push bike handle, if I can fill it with epoxy, them place plenty of Marine grease on the centre shaft, then push it through the epoxy, then let it set, with the grease there I should be able to turn the handle after.
     I dont expect it to look to flash when I finish it, but it should be quite serviceable, I will send more pics as I advance with it, cheers Don. thanks again Wayne and John.


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: mo65 on January 31, 2020, 08:12:16 AM
   It almost looks like a clean break where you could drill a few small holes and use little pins and epoxy to press it back in place. I'm betting someone here can hook you up with a replacement though if your fix doesn't pan out. Good luck Don! 8)


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Donnyboat on January 31, 2020, 08:32:45 AM
Good thanks Mike, yes I thought of your idea, but I brought the rubber handle, a few months back to do the same with another reel, but it was a cheaply made reel & some of the inturnals were to warn to worry about going further with it.
     This Daiwa 47SH is in really good order, so I would like to have it going good, this reel is about the same size as a Penn Senator 3/0,  but the original handle was very small anyway, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: thorhammer on January 31, 2020, 08:52:59 AM
Don, I bought six of those as a package deal a few years back for $180 USD, only issues were two missing badges which most Sealines were prone to anyway. I don't think I ever even opened them up- put new line on them and have been using them as downrigger reels every summer for striped bass- NO ISSUES. Well made, my only call out is the same - that knob may be ok on the 27, but I want more for the  47 as I'm reeling fish in while still trolling. Just haven't decided yet if I want to  put on bigger knobs or a whole larger handle with more umph.



Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Donnyboat on January 31, 2020, 02:46:39 PM
Good John, yes if your trawling with them, them more umph is the word, 6:40 am here now so I  will get onto it soon, they are forecasting 29C here today, a good moderate temp, then it is jumping to 38C for 3 days, so I might go crabing on Tuesday & crabing & net fishing on Wednesday, I will keep everone posted on the progress with the handle, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Porthos on February 01, 2020, 11:10:59 PM
If you have access to any Jigmaster power handles, a replacement can be had by just reworking the round ends of the handle shaft hole; needle files will do the trick. The amount of rework is self-evident when aligning the handle holes of the 47SH against the Jigmaster power handle.

This the result on my 47SH:
(https://alantani.com/gallery/31/9140_02_02_20_12_08_39.jpeg)

**UPDATE Feb 02, 2020**
Hooked up to a suspected black seabass on the 1/2-day boat out of Oceanside, CA. Fought for 15+ minutes before it spit the hook after multiple runs (terminal gear and knots were retrieved all intact). Would not have wanted any part of that fight if the handle was the original Daiwa 47H/47SH handle.


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: El Pescador on February 28, 2020, 04:15:10 AM
Don sent me some updated photos of the handle repair/fix for his Daiwa Sealine 47H reel.

"Wayne hope this contact finds you & Jennifer in good health,
Wayne I am sending two emails with pics of the handle of the Daiwa 47H reel that you started for me,
in the General procedures Jan 31/2020,
could you please enter these pics under the same post & I will give a run down of the drarmers I had, cheers Don."

So, without further adieu, Here are Don's photos!!!!!

(https://alantani.com/gallery/32/7588_28_02_20_5_10_06_320392093.jpeg)

(https://alantani.com/gallery/32/7588_28_02_20_5_10_07_320411574.jpeg)

(https://alantani.com/gallery/32/7588_28_02_20_5_10_07_32041625.jpeg)

(https://alantani.com/gallery/32/7588_28_02_20_5_10_06_32039830.jpeg)

Wayne



Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Donnyboat on February 28, 2020, 04:47:07 AM
Thank you Wayne for posting these last four pics, also a correction, it is a Daiwa 47SH reel.
    The first pic of the last four, I brought the push bike handle, with the intentions of using it, unfortunately the bike handle are the same size for small bikes & large bikes, anyway I look it home, then looked at it, and decided it was to large.
     So epoxied the old handle together, as one pic shows it stuck really good, but was a bit rough on one side, so I started buffing it, but was` nt getting anyware, so I swapped to a course buff, that was doing a good job till the lighter Bristols war of, then it started to grind the plastic or delrin away.
     So I had to use the bike handle after all, the rough rubber lines in the handle, created some proublems, as the epoxy was getting into it.
     so the end result is a bit rough, but still very serviceable, I wanted to make a thumb shape on the top, but left it to late, and the epoxy became to hard.
     `anyway I hope this helps some of the members, the pros & cons of handle making, cheers Don, & thanks again Wayne.


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Crow on February 28, 2020, 04:50:04 AM
Good job. Don !   When I get back home, I have a "broken knob" that may get the same treatment.


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: El Pescador on February 28, 2020, 04:56:55 AM
Don,

Full Disclosure from you...

I want to make sure some local kid's bike ISN'T MISSING A HANDLE GRIP!!!!!!!

Kidding...

Wayne


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: mhc on February 28, 2020, 06:09:03 AM
That's a handful of grip Don! It should be easy on your hand reeling in the big Dhu. I've got a vague memory your mate Wallace used a bike handle grip on one of his reels - I could be wrong, I just spent 15 min looking for it without luck.

Mike


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Decker on February 28, 2020, 07:29:15 AM
Wai's and Don's handles are strangely similar ;D

How do you guys use the 47SH?   Braid?  Bottom fishing?  With how much weight?

I have one not put into service yet.   Seems like it would do well for wreck fishing. 

It is faster than the 47H... is it just as strong?


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Donnyboat on February 28, 2020, 07:46:49 AM
Hi Wai, thanks for the tip of the Jigmaster handle, yours looks great, Wayne dont tell every one, ha haa, it cost me AU$6:00, Joe I am thinking of using 40Lbs braid with 30 to 35 Lbs top shot, I must admit that the rubber handle it has now, will stay warm in the winter, Mike dont worry, all good mate, cheers Don


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Donnyboat on February 28, 2020, 07:56:57 AM
Joe your question of how much weight when drifting, for me it depends on how fast we are drifting, for Western Australian Dhu fish & Blue bone groper, it is best to be on the bottom all the time, if you cant feel the bottom, then put more weight on, so it depends on the wind & tide, hope that helps, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Decker on February 28, 2020, 09:06:43 AM
Joe your question of how much weight when drifting, for me it depends on how fast we are drifting, for Western Australian Dhu fish & Blue bone groper, it is best to be on the bottom all the time, if you cant feel the bottom, then put more weight on, so it depends on the wind & tide, hope that helps, cheers Don.

Don, thanks.  My question was more to understand how much weight the reel can muscle under a constant load.   How deep are the Dhu and grouper?  Wondering if it can handle 2lbs of lead for example, for deep bottom fishing.

Okay, so I googled Dhufish and see a picture of a huge fish with its swim bladder popping out of its mouth, so that pretty much answers the question :)  Yep, it must be a strong reel.



Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Donnyboat on February 28, 2020, 01:31:51 PM
Thanks Joe, see that fish you have posted, the top fin has alot of white fin trailing at the back of it, that indecates it is a mail fish, they grow to about 23Kgs, but most are about 50 to 65 Cms, about 6 Kgs @ 65 Cms.
      I would not use 2 Lbs of weight on these reels, Wayne has asked me to send some more pics of the reel, IE- line capacity, personally, I like to use a Senator 6/0 for bottom bouncing, as you have plenty of line if you get snagged, rather than pulling the drift anchor then starting up the motor & moving to the other side of the reef to unhook the line, I just keep letting line out, till the fish get it of the reef, quite often it is a large fish that takes you under the reef, they often come out after a few minute, then your back on Bizz again.
      I would prefer to use these reels for skippy, if burlying up we sometimes get a Samson fish, with the 5 to one ratio, they would be farst enough for jigging, and the pinion would stand upto it, any reel faster, the pinion often strips or cracks @ the top, hope that helps, cheers Don.


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: El Pescador on February 28, 2020, 05:22:46 PM
Yes Don I do want to post photos of the left side plate showing it is a higher speed reel than the Sealine 47H.

Don's is a Sealine 47SH  with a 5.1:1 speed ratio.   See.

(https://alantani.com/gallery/32/7588_28_02_20_6_17_20_32046854.jpeg)

And Don, there is just a bit more light in the Western part of Australia than is needed for this photo, you can sorta make out the line capacities by line weight.

(https://alantani.com/gallery/32/7588_28_02_20_6_17_19_320441979.jpeg)

So I ended up on eBay getting this photo with clear numbers by line weight and capacity.

(https://alantani.com/gallery/32/7588_28_02_20_6_18_29.jpeg)

And so we all now know.

Wayne


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Porthos on February 28, 2020, 09:06:17 PM
...how much weight the reel can muscle under a constant load.   How deep are the Dhu and grouper?  Wondering if it can handle 2lbs of lead for example, for deep bottom fishing.

The Jigmaster power handle arm is 3," so 1" longer than the Daiwa factory balanced handle (hole-to-hole). Main line is 65lb Power Pro solid to 50lb Berkley Big Game. Drag was hand-tightened to 15 lbs from top-of-spool (could probably get a few more lbs with some sort of a leveraging tool on the star). I was using it on the last fishing day of the 2019 SOA Charter to land 3'+ ling cod from the bottom (at least 150'+).

The extra torque from the longer arm is, IMHO, well worth permanently expanding the handle hole, so much so that I even converted a Pro Challeger handle (3.5") in the same way for my 30H/170 SMF which share the same gear sleeve hole size as the 47H/47SH:

(https://alantani.com/gallery/32/9140_28_02_20_9_59_16.jpeg)

...170SMF left, 47SH right.


Title: Re: Daiwa 47H Reel Handle Broken from Donnyboat in AU Jan. 2020
Post by: Donnyboat on February 28, 2020, 11:36:00 PM
Thanks Wai, they really are nice handles, Bill the dhu fish can be as deep as 100 M but most of the fishing we get, is know deeper than 50 M, I have caught them in 6 M, if you catch them in 6 M it does not damage the swim bladder, and they really do fight in shallow water, once you get into 35 to 30 M they dont fight for very long, cheers Don.