What`s your opinion on butt cap relevance beside serving as counterweight on spinning rods.
I am of opinion that metal is best option not only because it is sturdy and best to look at, but also because when used in jigging it helps with vibrations getting thru to the hand.
Eeer, which vibrations?
I own a series of moderately high-end spin jig rods. The PE8 and PE6 ones have an aluminium gimbal butt, the PE4 has a rubber one, and the PE2 rods have no cap at all, just a small EVA knob on the end. I use a large EVA mushroom or a Cush-It, if I'm not using a light gimbal belt with the heavy rods.
Quote from: boon on February 13, 2020, 04:30:44 AM
Eeer, which vibrations?
I own a series of moderately high-end spin jig rods. The PE8 and PE6 ones have an aluminium gimbal butt, the PE4 has a rubber one, and the PE2 rods have no cap at all, just a small EVA knob on the end. I use a large EVA mushroom or a Cush-It, if I'm not using a light gimbal belt with the heavy rods.
The ones that let you know that jigg head has reached the bottom, mud, sand.
That first thump.
And I`m thinking very light zander fishing set up.
What else is there besides counterweight and something blunt that will not stab you in the gut? If you have to swing the rod up and down all day the counterweight will keep it from wearing you out. Without a balanced rod, all that tip weight has to be supported with the small muscles in your wrist and forearm. If the rod is balanced you take the strain off the small muscles and only have to use the large muscles in the back and upper arm. Large muscles will not fatigue as quickly.
-steve
Quote from: glos on February 13, 2020, 04:39:40 AM
The ones that let you know that jigg head has reached the bottom, mud, sand.
That first thump.
And I`m thinking very light zander fishing set up.
Ohhhh I see. The best bet for good "feedback" is a skeleton reel seat with the blank exposed.
Ahaa, nice info.
But if we are choosing, say rubber butt cap, plastic - graphite, or metal.
Don`t you think that if there are any slightest of diferences, in overall resonance, metal is that tiny bit better, choice.
Not saying that it counts for a lot, just that subtle almost irrelevant ones.
I would say exposed butt with a small hard EVA knob on the end. Additional mass will dampen anything that comes through the rod.
Have a look at all of the high-end Japanese slow jig rods, they all use this configuration.
Word of warning, rods set up like this are extremely easy to snap off at the butt if left in a rod holder.
Ok, thx. I was wrong then.
Why do you need a counterweight on a spinning rod?
Quote from: CapeFish on February 14, 2020, 06:22:36 AM
Why do you need a counterweight on a spinning rod?
Try it. You'll never go back.
-steve
Quote from: glos on February 14, 2020, 05:13:11 AM
Ok, thx. I was wrong then.
No such thing - what is "correct" is whatever you like the best at the end of the day.
Quote from: boon on February 14, 2020, 07:08:48 AM
Quote from: glos on February 14, 2020, 05:13:11 AM
Ok, thx. I was wrong then.
No such thing - what is "correct" is whatever you like the best at the end of the day.
I ( would ) like what ever gives better feedback. And this particular end piece of tackle is somewhat ignored in the industry and community. Which I can understand because in majority of situations it really doesn`t serve any function beside adding weight and looking good, being sturdy.
But in light jigging, or slow jigging, it probably does make a slight difference, that we are all oblivious of..
Quote from: oc1 on February 14, 2020, 06:53:46 AM
Quote from: CapeFish on February 14, 2020, 06:22:36 AM
Why do you need a counterweight on a spinning rod?
Try it. You'll never go back.
-steve
Never heard of it, will check it out thanks, just not sure I want to add extra weight to rods, I prefer them as light as possible
I've seen a kit that has a threaded receptacle that replaces the butt cap. Come with a set of weights of different sizes that screw inter balance the rod. Not sure if they're still made though
On long spinning rods having it balanced save a lot of fatigue on the wrist.
Quote from: oc1 on February 14, 2020, 06:53:46 AM
Quote from: CapeFish on February 14, 2020, 06:22:36 AM
Why do you need a counterweight on a spinning rod?
Try it. You'll never go back.
-steve
In MI I am wearing thick gloves most of the time, I like a rod with a LONG forward grip (not sure of term), I hold my rod there and the balance factor is the main reason and I able to jig without getting sore.
I could not find 30 lb rated rods with long fore grip in my budget so I opted for 12w fly rods, I am going to try them out this season. This is for Lake Trout and Salmon/Steelhead from 7 lb to 30 lb ++,
I have never tried counter weights, it makes sense why we need to use em.
Quote from: CapeFish on February 14, 2020, 11:01:29 AM
Never heard of it, will check it out thanks, just not sure I want to add extra weight to rods, I prefer them as light as possible
I prefer them light too. If you add counterweight the rod gets much heavier, but it feels lighter because you are not having to support the tip weight.
-steve
I have just been informed, yesterday, that in fishing show in Budapest, there were some minimalistic rods, with "resonant" end caps.
Not even lacquered, one foot guides and all..
I would go with wire guides also.
Quote from: oc1 on February 13, 2020, 04:54:48 AM
What else is there besides counterweight and something blunt that will not stab you in the gut? If you have to swing the rod up and down all day the counterweight will keep it from wearing you out. Without a balanced rod, all that tip weight has to be supported with the small muscles in your wrist and forearm. If the rod is balanced you take the strain off the small muscles and only have to use the large muscles in the back and upper arm. Large muscles will not fatigue as quickly.
-steve
on the few light rods with split rear grips when I feel them a bit un-balanced (tip heavy) I apply a second or 3rd coat of epoxy on the exposed blank on the split grip, maybe it might be easier to just add some kind of weight on the buttcap but the epoxy have worked for me.
totally agree with Steve
Sometimes you can wrap a piece of 1/16 inch sheet lead (roofing lead) around the blank and then put the butt grip on top of it. Also, put a piece of lead dowel inside the end of the blank.
Quote from: oc1 on April 29, 2021, 06:59:39 PM
Sometimes you can wrap a piece of 1/16 inch sheet lead (roofing lead) around the blank and then put the butt grip on top of it. Also, put a piece of lead dowel inside the end of the blank.
for light rods an extra epoxy coat have worked good but for I also have some 1/8" lead core cord used for Bullet-weights for add more weight on heavier rods that can be glued inside the end of the blank, still havent needed it, I try to search and put the reelseat on a place that it balanced the completed rod.
Quote from: Gobi King on February 14, 2020, 02:17:27 PM
In MI I am wearing thick gloves most of the time, I like a rod with a LONG forward grip (not sure of term)...
long fore / short rear, is actually called a Michigan Handle on Crappie/Noodle/SSH rods
have 9' Wally Marshall like that... pre-fab for separate $7.99 screw-in balance kit
aluminum bolt; center-bored beaker stopper; solder wire -- balanced & less noisy than kit ;D
DEFINITELY less wrist fatigue w/ BOTH, tiny spinner & pitch/flip LP.
even though I added almost 2 oz. total combo weight
Quote from: steelfish on April 29, 2021, 07:13:48 PMQuote from: oc1 on April 29, 2021, 06:59:39 PMSometimes you can wrap a piece of 1/16 inch sheet lead (roofing lead) around the blank and then put the butt grip on top of it. Also, put a piece of lead dowel inside the end of the blank.
for light rods an extra epoxy coat have worked good but for I also have some 1/8" lead core cord used for Bullet-weights for add more weight on heavier rods that can be glued inside the end of the blank, still havent needed it, I try to search and put the reelseat on a place that it balanced the completed rod.
I wouldn't put those in. They will dampen all vibrations.
Something that is integral part of the rod end, is needed.
The spiral wrapped jigging I used to sell had a butt second to make the rod BALANCED not heavier. A big difference in the two
Small Adhesive backed lead weights to stick inside
Quote from: boon on February 13, 2020, 04:30:44 AMEeer, which vibrations?
I own a series of moderately high-end spin jig rods. The PE8 and PE6 ones have an aluminium gimbal butt, the PE4 has a rubber one, and the PE2 rods have no cap at all, just a small EVA knob on the end. I use a large EVA mushroom or a Cush-It, if I'm not using a light gimbal belt with the heavy rods.
I too used the big orange Cush it