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Title: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: tortugo on December 07, 2011, 02:44:52 PM
I have a 114h and the pinion gear is rusted tight to the shaft of the spool. Does anyone have a surefire way to remove the pinion gear without destroying it?


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: Norcal Pescador on December 07, 2011, 02:57:41 PM
If you haven't already, soak the shaft and gear in some WD40, kerosene or any other penetrating oil for at least 24 hours. Then try pulling and twisting it off. If that didn't work then soak it again for 48 hours. No guarantee once you get it off, either the spool or gear will be usable if the rust went deep into either one.
Good luck. :-\


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: Dominick on December 07, 2011, 04:32:02 PM
Tortugo:  the answer is below.  I had to modify this post because Sal reminded me that we got chastised by Alan for getting off the subject in the thread I posted before.  Dominick


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: Alto Mare on December 07, 2011, 04:41:20 PM
Dominick, quit feuling the fire. We already got scolded once from the boss ;)


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: Dominick on December 07, 2011, 05:20:06 PM
Sal:  I didn't mean to put the whole link in just the part where Tidetime puts in the different liquids to break frozen parts apart.
 
Maybe I can add a little info to this site as far as breaking loose rusted objects.  I have a couple International scouts.  If anyone on here knows what they are you know they rust and rust bad.  After some research I came across this info and believe me there is nothing better for breaking stuck bolts. 

Machinist's Workshop magazine tested penetrants for break out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. The results are as follows;
Penetrating oil........... Average load
None ...................... 516 pounds
WD-40 .................... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ................ 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ........... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ................ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix...........53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone.
 
Dominick


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: john2244 on December 07, 2011, 05:36:27 PM
Dom,

Good information, thanks.


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: alantani on December 07, 2011, 10:38:47 PM
get two no. 2 flat screwdrivers.  shimmy them underneath the pinion gear at opposite sides, 180 degrees from each other.  if a no. 2 screwdriver is too big, get a no. 1 screwdriver.  now gently turn both screwdrivers clockwise to apply even and equal pressure to opposite sides of the pinion gear and gently lift.   clean the spool shaft with steel wool.  clean the inside of the pinion gear using a drill bit that is narrow enough to slide into the pinion gear without enlarging the hole. 

i know, i need photos for this one.  sorry.  alan


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: alantani on December 07, 2011, 10:44:06 PM
Tortugo:  the answer is below.  I had to modify this post because Sal reminded me that we got chastised by Alan for getting off the subject in the thread I posted before.  Dominick

not a problem!   ;D


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: Bryan Young on December 07, 2011, 10:49:36 PM
also add a little heat to the pinion gear and try not to heat the spool shaft too much in the process.  The pinion should expand slighty to possibly break the rust.  Let it cool down slowly so that the gear doesn't warp.


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: Alto Mare on December 08, 2011, 04:48:01 AM
If you do succeed and you're  not comfortable using a drill bit to clean the pinion gear, maybe this brush kit might come handy.

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture1640.jpg)


You could order it from harbor freight tools, I think it was $6.99.
You might have to put that reel to rest though :-\. Good luck!
Sal

Skip the comment above. Of course you will succeed, I thought you were talking about a Newell reel ;D


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: tortugo on December 08, 2011, 12:15:49 PM
Wow! Thank you all for your help. There are a lot of good suggestions. I knew there had to be someone who came up against this problem.
Tortugo


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: Bryan Young on December 08, 2011, 01:28:05 PM
Please let us know how it works out and what method you used.  If you can support it with pics, that will be great.


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: day0ne on December 08, 2011, 10:03:43 PM
This may sound funny but a Mercury mechanic turned me on to this.  The old Mercruiser Engine Cleaner in the spray can (the stuff you spray down the carb) was the absolute best thing for freeing corroded fittings. Spray it, wait a few seconds (or minutes), and the fitting would come loose. The most impressive thing I saw it do was break a tapered joint on a propeller shaft, in fact two of them. Everything else had been tried and after we used this, the props were off in five minutes. Anybody that has ever tried to break a tapered joint, even with a puller, knows how hard it is to do. A caveat. This was the stuff they sold years ago and I'm not sure the current Mercruiser Power Tune Engine Cleaner is the same but for $7 a can, it's worth a try


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: tortugo on November 05, 2013, 04:26:56 PM
I hadn't any luck getting the pinion gear removed so I set it aside and decided to deal with it some other day. I had another stuck pinion gear and I thought that a local mechanic could use his pully remover to fix the problem. I showed him the spool with the pinion gear rusted tight and he thought about the problem for a moment and then he came back with a couple of what might have been screw drivers that had been bent into a j shape. I held the spool and he applied the pressure with the j levers and as sweet as could be off came the stuck pinion gears.


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: alantani on March 29, 2019, 08:36:02 AM
https://youtu.be/RlbyJoE5YEM


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: nelz on March 29, 2019, 08:49:47 AM
Great video Alan!


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: alantani on March 29, 2019, 08:52:50 AM
it's so simple.  wish i would have known this from the beginning.  i could have saved a dozen pinion gears!   :-\


Title: Re: rusted tight 114h pinion gear
Post by: Fishy247 on March 29, 2019, 11:05:39 AM
Great video Alan! Thanks! I was soaking them in PB Blaster for an hour to a week, then loosely grabbing the pinion with pliers(hoping to not damage it!) and wiggling it up. Doing it like you show in the video GREATLY increases the odds of saving the pinion! :D