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Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Shimano => Topic started by: The Fishing Hobby on July 28, 2020, 10:31:34 PM

Title: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: The Fishing Hobby on July 28, 2020, 10:31:34 PM
Thought y'all might be interested. Basically the same reel as the newer Sienna 1000 but with one less ball bearing. For a $20 reel it isn't too bad really.
I just uploaded the video today. Only a couple of things I personally don't like about the reel (subjective really).
https://youtu.be/rvQ_bi5wUJY
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: Crow on July 28, 2020, 10:33:27 PM
Good job ! Thanks for posting .
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: The Fishing Hobby on July 28, 2020, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: Crow on July 28, 2020, 10:33:27 PM
Good job ! Thanks for posting .
Thanks!
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: boon on August 11, 2020, 01:22:12 AM
Quite amazing, aren't they....

When you consider that if they're selling them for $20, they're just as likely buying them for $10; the wholesaler is probably making 100% as well, so there's a good chance the reel costs under $5 to make.
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: The Fishing Hobby on August 11, 2020, 10:37:00 AM
Quote from: boon on August 11, 2020, 01:22:12 AM
Quite amazing, aren't they....

When you consider that if they're selling them for $20, they're just as likely buying them for $10; the wholesaler is probably making 100% as well, so there's a good chance the reel costs under $5 to make.
Could be... economy of scale is huge for a low cost good quality reel from a major industry player I would imagine.
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: nelz on September 01, 2020, 04:55:45 AM
Quote from: The Fishing Hobby on July 28, 2020, 10:31:34 PMFor a $20 reel it isn't too bad really. Only a couple of things I personally don't like about the reel (subjective really).

How is the frame as far as flexing?
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: The Fishing Hobby on September 01, 2020, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: nelz on September 01, 2020, 04:55:45 AM
Quote from: The Fishing Hobby on July 28, 2020, 10:31:34 PMFor a $20 reel it isn't too bad really. Only a couple of things I personally don't like about the reel (subjective really).

How is the frame as far as flexing?
I actually talked about that in the video, but it is about as rigid as you will find for a plastic body ultralight reel.
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: philaroman on September 01, 2020, 01:34:33 PM
never had a flex problem w/ older 1000/2000-size well past the size-class (20#braid/12# fluoro)
if they flex a bit when the drag is screaming, I'm definitely NOT cranking the handle, so it's not really an issue
it's the 4000-size w/ 30-50# braid & locked down drag, that serious flex-fear kicks in

EDIT: yes, personal youthful experience -- one good ray or slammer blue,
is all it took, for the gears in a TX-4000F/FA(?) to be "never the same"
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: nelz on September 01, 2020, 03:49:42 PM
Quote from: The Fishing Hobby on September 01, 2020, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: nelz on September 01, 2020, 04:55:45 AMHow is the frame as far as flexing?
I actually talked about that in the video, but it is about as rigid as you will find for a plastic body ultralight reel.

Ok, thanks, its been a while since I viewed it. Asking because I read a review that complained about excessive flexing. I'm looking for a good UL that won't break the bank.
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: Ron Jones on September 01, 2020, 05:34:27 PM
If someone catches a fish that flexes a 100 sized reel then maybe they should realize a knfe at a gun fight is rarely good for the guy with the knife!
The Man
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: philaroman on September 01, 2020, 06:50:24 PM
not with Shimano, LOL
a 1000 is generally same body/gearbox as 2000
same foot/stand supports a smaller mass, so it's effectively stronger
and smaller rotor w/ same wall-thickness is significantly stronger & more rigid
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: Ron Jones on September 01, 2020, 10:33:54 PM
That's what I'm saying. If your using a 1000 to fish for bluegill and a 3 pound bullhead comes along you should be alright. If your fishing in an area where you might run into a 20 pound flathead then you should have a bigger reel to start with.
Ronald Jones
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: happyhooker on August 08, 2022, 02:30:50 AM
Did not see this post earlier; it is very informative.  I'm not usually in the market for a newer reel like this, but if I was stuck somewhere without my usual gear, it's nice to know a $20 bill would get you something that would work for a little while at least.  Like the brass pinion, and general quality seems OK for a newer plastic reel; yes, I would check the ergonomics before buying.  Might be a reel for someone where you don't want total junk (kid; someone who wants to "borrow" a reel) yet want to keep the outlay low.

Frank
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: philaroman on August 08, 2022, 01:20:20 PM
Quote from: happyhooker on August 08, 2022, 02:30:50 AM...Like the brass pinion, and general quality seems OK for a newer plastic reel; yes, I would check the ergonomics before buying.  Might be a reel for someone where you don't want total junk (kid; someone who wants to "borrow" a reel) yet want to keep the outlay low.

Frank
Frank, check the schematics before buying
make sure the pinion is a separate part -- then, it's probably brass
was not even aware that Shimano did "roto-pinions", 
until I opened up an "old modern" cheap one 
to discover an alloy pinion permanently affixed to the rotor
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: happyhooker on August 20, 2022, 02:32:59 PM
From the vid, the pinion is definitely separate from the rotor, and at least looks like brass or bronze.

Frank
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: philaroman on August 20, 2022, 04:43:52 PM
yes, if pinion is separate w/ individual part# -- it's brass
but don't assume that's true for every FX model, just because it's true for 1000FC
FX-1000FA appears to have alloy permanently peened to plastic rotor:
http://www.reelschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/schematics/Shimano/FX%20Series/SHIMANO%20FX1000FA(2003).pdf (http://www.reelschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/schematics/Shimano/FX%20Series/SHIMANO%20FX1000FA(2003).pdf)
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: Gfish on August 20, 2022, 06:04:50 PM
Great video. Very informative on the lower-end Shimano spinners. You got the narration streamlined and easy to understand. Not for me with my big clumsy hands, but yeah, well worth the price. Always liked the way Shimano's use that top to bottom post for the ossilation system. I can see this class of reels as something to leave in my vehicle as part of a "just in case" rig.
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: steelfish on February 28, 2023, 02:32:27 AM
thanks for the video amigo, its nice to know its based on the "more expesive" brother Sienna, well almost the same reel but one bearing less, I think I can live with that.

recently a new friend (walking-in customer but after few hours talking about fishing all customer become friends) left me some Daiwa saltist reels for repair and few weeks later when they were repaired he gave me a Shimano FX 2500 HGFC as gift, he ordered online and used it two times, the told me he found it too small for his big hands so, he ordered a 4000 size one.

One of my light saltwater reels is a Shimano Sonora 2500FA that I have been using since 2009 (yay!!) and while its not as smooth as it used to be its still in pretty good shape, I have it loaded with 6# hybrid floro-monofilament and its paired on a 10ft salmon rod 3/4oz lure.
so, this FX2500HGFC will be its companion for when I feel like going for light fishing from the shore.
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: MarkT on February 28, 2023, 03:00:53 AM
I've always drawn the line at the Sahara with Shimano spinners. I'm standing by that!
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: nelz on February 28, 2023, 03:29:04 AM
It's not high-end but it definitely exceeds expectations for its $20 price tag!
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: MarkT on February 28, 2023, 03:39:21 AM
Quote from: nelz on February 28, 2023, 03:29:04 AMIt's not high-end but it definitely exceeds expectations for its $20 price tag!

I can say the same for lunch today!

I have 3 Abu Cardinal ultra-lites that I much prefer over the Shimano/Daiwa equivalents for fishing 2 and 4 pound for Trout!
Title: Re: Newer Shimano budget ultralight review and teardown FX1000FC
Post by: steelfish on February 28, 2023, 05:34:44 PM
Quote from: MarkT on February 28, 2023, 03:39:21 AMI can say the same for lunch today!

I think its a goood thing we can get a decent fishing reel for less than what we spend for a dinner.
not everybody cup of tea but many will value that