Seems like hype advertising like how you can live forever.?? Butt let's be real, If an octopus 🐙 is an often preyed on little person it needs an escape vehicle 🚗. Right ?
I saw this jig recently in a store and had to know more. It's marketing is a nice box, clever printing outside, and claims that the ink pills mimic actual inking, this seems to be the defense mechanism of fleeing for the little buggers. It's marketed as the "Inkvader ". As a twenty spot, I,m here to do some show n tell. Unlike politics I don't expect much......... :-X
These are available in several sizes and colors. Maybe good for calm water.
Seems well made.
The hooks look good, I wish I could try it tomorrow.
This Thing is weight backwards? To me as experts have said, It's another flutter sit level type of jig, Perfect for shallow water or slack current, it a jig you can buy, I,m planning on trying it.
You never know.🧜♂️ I wish there was more daylight, And less darkness...... ;)
I'd try it but I lose so many those 20 spots get expensive. Yep the daylight schedule is driving me nuts, the only thing zi can do is ditch work and go crabbing tomorrow, then I'm gonna ditch work Thursday and go hang out with my dentist for a couple hours, then I'm gonna ditch work Friday to attend a family event in the high country, will be visiting Portola until Sunday. Then I'm gonna come home and maybe ditch work a couple more days and rest up because I plan on being tired.
With the weight positioned where it is, the jig will only work head up and legs down like an octopus on a pogo stick. Not to many octos escape by swimming vertically ??? The extra ring/eye won't change the hang angle much, so not sure what the point is. Not streamlined for the drop. But it will smoke like a Christmas model train set for a few minutes after the drop :)
Not promising from a design standpoint, but you never know what the fish might see in it. Glad to see that you are taking another one for the team :)
-J
Gary, what makes it squirt ink?
-steve
The thing has a very realistic Okkie look, will fool me if I see it in a shallow pool. I am sure a fish will nail it quickly without having a good look, "catch first then check if its edible" before it gets away. Only then the fish will go "oops" big mistake ;D ;D ;D
Some Lures catch more than Just Fish.
Mustad Ink Refills: $6
Mont Blanc Ink Refills: $8
well, yeah -- the upkeep for world's most prestigious fountain pen,
should cost a bit more, than for a fad lure
like the components, though, aside from "black box"
will be looking for $4.99 clearance, years from now
hope the ok will still be OK -- not dry-rotted
interesting idea.
I looked it up and saw a demo on it, not sure it looks or functions like the real thing, but you're future reports on it's effectiveness will give us the reality. Keep us posted.
Real octopus ink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCImR8fiJ58
Lure demo (demo starts at 7:45)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ-HUrdCHKo&feature=emb_title
I don't think this guy loaded it correctly though, he's shaking it around like a maraca and only a whisp of ink. ???
Quote from: the rockfish ninja on November 11, 2020, 09:59:47 PM
interesting idea.
I looked it up and saw a demo on it, not sure it looks or functions like the real thing, but you're future reports on it's effectiveness will give us the reality. Keep us posted.
Real octopus ink
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Lure demo (demo starts at 7:45)
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I don't think this guy loaded it correctly though, he's shaking it around like a maraca and only a whisp of ink. ???
Mustad 's own video ( not included in your links) shows the same thing. If the ink shot out in a big cloud, it would not last very long. Plus it would do what an octopus ink cloud is supposed to do, which is obscure the octopus, making it hard for the predator to find :)
In a real life octopus, the ink is mixed with mucous that will hold it together in a dense, tight cloud that is blown out with a jet of water. The octopus can blow a big load to obscure itself, or it can blow off several small loads, confusing the predator over which shape is actually the target, kind of like those anti-missile aircraft defenses that blast out clouds of aluminum bits. Pretty cool.
This lure is just adding some black dye to some scent. Bet it makes a mess in the boat.
As for the Mustad ink tablet function: it appears to me that it is functioning exactly as designed: an attractant to separate fishermen from their money :D. Just like Gary said.
-J.
wonder if the ink tabs could be swapped for denture cleaner
$6 for 10 good laughs -- now THAT's a bargain :o
Quote from: philaroman on November 12, 2020, 12:51:40 AM
wonder if the ink tabs could be swapped for denture cleaner
$6 for 10 good laughs -- now THAT's a bargain :o
:D :D :D :D :D
Somewhere in the Alaskan wilderness, a fisherman with black teeth lowers a fizzing octopus into the briny depths...
Thanks for your responses, and there's more..... shown below are a couple of the ink tablets that are said to have some scent as well. I was going to put some in the bathtub tonight butt that got vetoed so I still don't know how they work.🤦♀️
I dis manteled the lure and when it's naked it's kinda sorry looking, like a wet shrew.
As for the silicone body and skirt, they seem very lifelike and I'd love to have a dozen of these and put them over a jig of mine oar Dave's computer designs. If anyone can help me with information to this quest I'd be grateful. Just the octopus 🐙 body in the largest size available...... :-*
Powdered squid ink is available in some grocery stores. It is used in cooking. Rice cooked with squid and squid ink is a very fine dish. I sometimes I take the ink sack out of squid and mix it with hot water and garlic and olive oil to mix in with the rice water. Great dish. Alex probably has it in Mexico. It's made in all the Latin countries. Calamari en su Tinta. Dominick
Quote from: gstours on November 12, 2020, 02:42:40 AM
As for the silicone body and skirt, they seem very lifelike and I'd love to have a dozen of these and put them over a jig of mine oar Dave's computer designs. If anyone can help me with information to this quest I'd be grateful. Just the octopus 🐙 body in the largest size available...... :-*
The body is not made from silicone. It is made from TPU, which is a theromoplastic version of urethane that can be injection molded just like ABS or polyethylene. It can also be 3D printed on a hobby printer, but it is not fun to work with. It would take several hours and several dollars worth of TPU filament to print one, and would probably be to stiff, with too many air pockets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoplastic_polyurethane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoplastic_polyurethane)
TPU injection molding is going to be a commercial process.
Most silicones would tear too easily as would the PVC that is used to make those rubber swimbaits (plastisol). TPU is probably going to be the easiest to paint.
There might be a two-part pourable liquid urethane with similar enough properties, but I am not aware of any. The silicones that I have played with in the right durometer range (20A?) were not nearly durable enough with tear strength somewhere around 120 PLI. You also care about elongation and puncture resistance.
The molds would have to be s complex multipart design or a silicone pour/slice and strap hack if you did not plan to make a lot.
If you wanted to play with it, I would suggest:
Pour some silicone around a master and use the scalpel and strap method to cut out the master and retain a mold for pouring plastisol. Use the hardest plastisol that you can find, and hope a halibut finds it before a scuplin chews all the legs off. You know how long scampis hold up in your neck of the ocean. If they last long enough to make it worth it to try an octo, then PM me, and we can work out how to make a mold master if you want to get into pouring plastisol.
Quote from: Dominick on November 12, 2020, 03:03:38 AM
Powdered squid ink is available in some grocery stores. It is used in cooking. Rice cooked with squid and squid ink is a very fine dish. I sometimes I take the ink sack out of squid and mix it with hot water and garlic and olive oil to mix in with the rice water. Great dish. Alex probably has it in Mexico. It's made in all the Latin countries. Dominick
The tablets contain a dye and an attractant scent. I would suspect that the dye is for the fisherman, and the scent is for the fish.
Real cephalopod ink may also repulse some predators, but the scientists are not certain. Plus all of the mess that it makes on your clothes and deck.
But what I am really interested in the squid with ink rice recipe. I hear that you are quite the cook.
-J.
Enlightenment of Cephalopod Excretion (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/squid-ink#benefits)
Dave I originally made "Calamari en su Tinta" using Montagne, Prosper "Larousse Gastronomique" Crown Publishers 1961. Great book. Google Calamari en su Tinta there are many recipes. Dominick
Quote from: Wompus Cat on November 12, 2020, 04:11:58 AM
Enlightenment of Cephalopod Excretion (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/squid-ink#benefits)
Great reference/artical Wompus Cat. Particularly so, because they number-reference studies from scientific periodicals.
Quote from: Gfish on November 12, 2020, 07:30:32 PM
Quote from: Wompus Cat on November 12, 2020, 04:11:58 AM
Enlightenment of Cephalopod Excretion (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/squid-ink#benefits)
Great reference/artical Wompus Cat. Particularly so, because they number-reference studies from scientific periodicals.
I had NEVER Heard of this addition to culinary particulars so did some Google ING to find that .
Will have to try some with my Chili / Spaghetti Jalapeno dish ,thanks Dominick for the heads up on the use of this Cephalopod ink.
In the 1800's cepholpod ink was highly prized for writing and drawing. It was mixed with varnish to make it waterproof and durable.
Good squid ink pasta is delicious!
Quote from: smnaguwa on November 13, 2020, 01:04:37 PM
Good squid ink pasta is delicious!
I'm sorry gentlemen, but it just sounds creepy. Maybe I've cut too much squid that was somewhat less than fresh. One good inky meal at a nice restaurant would probably change my mine.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on November 13, 2020, 07:14:02 PM
Quote from: smnaguwa on November 13, 2020, 01:04:37 PM
Good squid ink pasta is delicious!
I'm sorry gentlemen, but it just sounds creepy. Maybe I've cut too much squid that was somewhat less than fresh. One good inky meal at a nice restaurant would probably change my mine.
-steve
I imagine the first guy to eat a Chicken Egg had some reservations too after he saw where the came from ?
first guy to eat an egg, did so before there were chickens... probably ate bugs & scavenged ripe carcasses, too
first guy to squeeze out a cod gonad, to thicken his fish stew -- that's a bit more adventurous
Who wood have thought in two pages of a post we could Dawin from examining the parts of a fishing jig to cooking an italian delicacy and never answer the question who came first the chicken oar an egg? This question is ongoing and waay above my clean mind. :o
Thanks for you comments, especially those twards the jig. Its been fun. Except the pandemenic part of which has no blame. :-X
Oh buy the whey.... the mentioned jig wood take a catch of a 6# halibut to pay for itself....for twenty bucks its a reasonable offer to the many rocks and crevices in the worlds ocean..... or maybe a catfish with a chicken liver on a soft muddy bottom?
Who in their wildest dreams wood think things are getting this crazy??????? all comment welcome.... :P
Quote from: gstours on November 14, 2020, 01:08:37 AM
Who in their wildest dreams wood think things are getting this crazy???????
Or maybe things have been crazy for a long time....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1950-s-The-Virgin-Mermaid-Fishing-Lure-By-Stream-Eze-Silver-Color-Adult-/164251533086 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1950-s-The-Virgin-Mermaid-Fishing-Lure-By-Stream-Eze-Silver-Color-Adult-/164251533086)
-s
Here's a photo of the inker doing good for somebody. Yes it's twenty here and ten there, soon I,ll be dead. I can only hope they put a smiling face on me in-the coffin ⚰️ 🎣🐙🤦♀️
I reckon the inky bit is a gimmick... but they're a very realistic looking lure. I can't get past the cost of them, and the Savage Gear 3D Octopus is about 1/3rd the price and looks every bit as good, without the ink pouch.
Ok. Ok. Please don't beat me up so much, cause I'm sensitive.😅🤦♀️😾🤦♀️...
Butt it's ok... it's just a lure I've never fished, and hope the rocks grab it, No more pictures, just a memory, like the redhead in line at the boat ramp.👿
Twenty bucks is just the starting price, in many good things.
Just saying....💋
"Savage Gear 3D Octopus is about 1/3rd the price" WHERE ?
seein' $12-25 by size, w/ no assist hooks
Hi Gary, could you put a piece of bait or salmon eggs where the pills go? -To give the lure some scent?
Quote from: philaroman on November 21, 2020, 03:15:36 AM
"Savage Gear 3D Octopus is about 1/3rd the price" WHERE ?
seein' $12-25 by size, w/ no assist hooks
Must be a regional thing. Here (NZ) the Inkvaders run you about $50 of our local coinage, whereas the smaller Savage lures are around the $15-$20 mark.
Ok. Is smaller better? This is a question I would not want to argue until after the election 🗳.
Yes the hollow bulb inthe octopus plastic head would be a good place to add either some chopped bait or gel scents. Oar both.
Every body fishes different. I firmly believe that scent of something that the target species is fond of is a big helper... good fishing 🎣 you all.
If you can buy it ,,,,, why're you trying to build it, Most people will ask? I cannot always reply.
well, now you're departing octopus territory & approaching Cthulhu :o
Be careful up there or you might awake the kraken.
-steve