Hello all. New guy here (Chris) with a question...
I bought a 9/0 off of ebay a few days ago. Good price, looks great, all that. Anyway... I yakked out a bait the other day, and when I got back to shore, I noticed a problem. It seems the drag is either locked down, or it totally loose. Meaning, I lock it down, then with just a little turn, it goes almost completely free spool. No subtle curve from 25lbs, 24, 23, 22, etc... Its more like 25lbs, turn a hair and its at 2lbs, if that.
I thought Id add a new set off drag washers to hopefully solve the problem, hence the question. I took about the stack only from the side, and instead of 5 or 7 or how many ever carbontex drag washers like are on my Squidders, there are 3 big black thick plastic thingys... Soooo... how do I upgrade this? Im not looking to super hot rod this, just get it fishing again, with modern drag washers...
Any ideas???? Id sure appreciate some help, as far as what to buy, etc... I will try to attach a pic. Im from that generation thats mystified by computers, tho :(
Here goes my pic, hopefully...
Aw, heck. I told ya I was mystified. I got the pic but posted in the wrong area. I meant to post in Penn Senator tutorials and questions. Sorry.
Don't know much about Penns BUT you need to pull the main Gear and make sure there is a fiber washer on bottom .Plus there are three s and FIVE drag sets . Make sure you have the Washer or washers with the tang located below the top as it will slip like crazy if too high in the stack.
Here is a schem from Smooth Drags (http://www.smoothdrag.com/pic/dragsetsm2.gif)
I'd bet that washer that's right under the star is flattened out from sitting around with the drag hammered down. It should be wavey not flat. Also 2nd on a drag washer stuck in the bottom of the gear. Order a set of new ht100 or carbontex washers and new metal washers and a new spring or waver washer
So... There is a fiber washer in the stack. And the washer under the star is in fact wavy.
Can I just order the carbontex washers? Wouldnt I have to get a new set of metal washers as well? I guess Im asking what parts exactly to buy that will fit as far as just removing the old stack which is 3 or 4 and putting in a new 7 stack...???
Edit. Oops. I didnt read the above post carefully enoigh. I think I understand now...
Order a full set of CF washers from Mystic. It will contain 5 CF washers, 2 eared metal washers, & 3 keyed metal washers. Also order the fiber washer that goes under the main gear. The washers you have now are asbestos which is not good for your health. Get rid of them. They are probably sticky, that's why you drags are erradic. Don't forget to order a little Cal's drag grease to coat the new drags. Do the job right & remove the plates & screws to grease & service everything with marine grease. Rudy
Thanks for all the help! Just to be clear... the 5 carbontex washer, 1 spacer, then the set pf 5 metal washers on Mystic Parts is what I need to relace the drag stack in this Penn Senator I have correct???
It all comes together in a set except the spacer, # 6-114HSP from Mystic. The under main gear fiber washer is seperate. What spacer are you asking about? If you mean the ring with the felt washer it is obsolete. From your photos it seems that you still have one asbestos washer still in the main gear. Your layout of the drag assembly is correct.
Hi Chris, regardless of what drag washers you use, your pic of the washers you have lade out, are in the wrong order, you should have a delrin or CF washer, under the main gear, the a washer inside the main gear, then a beveled washer, then another washer then a eared washer, then a drag washer, then another beveled washer, I am not sure if you have a felt washer there with a top hat, if your felt washer is good use it or cut out another one, or use leather, its only to keep the dust & water spray out, good luck, carbon fibre washers are the best, with cals grease, on the washer as Rudy said, cheers Don.
Also Chris, when you place it back together, make sure the eared washer stays in the grooves, of the main gear, or your drag wont work, after I put my drag stack together, I place a lacky band over it, that keeps the eared wash in the grooves, hope this helps, cheers Don.
Don, it has outside accessable drags so it is easy to check on assembly. A hard fiber washer goes under the main gear, not a CF washer.
I ordered 6-114HSD. It comes with 5 washers and a spacer... thats what I was referring to...
I also bought 7C-114HSD which are the suggested metal washers...
I hope I got all the right stuff. I think I do from what I gather...
That's the Smoothdrag drags. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. The only real difference is the metal washers are ground flat & Penn washers are punched out. Either set is carbon fiber. I've never noticed much difference between them. The big difference would be if you went for Bryan's 7+1 setup. Then you would pull at least 10# more drag which is about all the usual person can hold for very long especially when you are digging your heels in the sand.
Hopefully this wont confuse but - may I suggest a delrin washer under the main gear (instead of a fibre one) it will make the drag smoother. If you can fit another on top of the stack try it.
Just had a problem with my xn6/0. Strip, clean, re-lube, reassemble. Then too much friction when cranking in gear and handle won't turn eaisly when in free-spool.
Looked at main gear and noticed that the first eared washer was probably bottoming out in the groves under drag torque without exerting full perssure on the bottom 3 washers(c-tex, keyed metal, c-tex, this is a Bryan Young 7 stack modded drag). This can be an issue with main gears that don't have groves, that go alla way to the bottom.
Problem solved by doubling-up 2 c-tex under that first eared metal washer to raise it 1mm, or so. But still can't understand how that'ed solve those issues. It seemed like the problem shoulda been drag washer rub against the side-plate...?!? And the drag stack should be even taller now with more rub than before, instead of less...?
Gfish it also works to replace the bottom keyed washer with a thicker keyed washer from your original set of washers & use that thin keyed washer on top if needed for height adjustment.
Wow! Thanks for all the help. I feel like I really understand what all Im doing now...
When the new drag/washers arrive I will post an update.
I think one of the best things a person can do when new to reel servicing, is go to Mystic Reel Parts and study the drag stack photos and schematics. All star drag systems operate basically the same...by alternating fiber washers and metal washers...and once you understand the concept you can figure out just about any drag related problem. Good luck on your 9/0! 8)
Got it Rudy. Yeah, a thicker keyed-metal would be better than 2 c-tex washers stacked together.
Sorry about the partial thread-jack GonePostal, but I thought it might be relavent. Lookin forward to your seeing your new set-up. Don's suggestion about securing the drag washers onto the gear sleeve with "a lacky band" before installing the bridge-plate assembly works well for me. Love that down-under talk, a lacky band is a new one for me.
Odd problem, that. The spool spun like a top in free spool, but the handle would barely turn. But it got solved. Musta been the top-most washer rubbing on the side-plate.
A lackey band isn't neccessary if you get Tom's (Cortez) new bridge tools for fine & coarse Jigmaster type sleeves & 113h sleeves. The tight turning of your handle was probably the top eared washer tangs on top of the main gear. Sometimes the rubber band doesn't hold the pack together tight enough. I've used O rings in the past.
yep X2 on the o rings
Okay... I got it all put back together with the new metal and cf washers, 10 in total. It appears to be working great.
But... I have 1 piece left over :( Its the thin cf washer. I cant exactly see where it goes. Keep in mind I just changed out the drag stack from the side access. I did not take the entire side plate off so I did not see the main gear, which is where the thin (thinnest) washer goes...
Or, have I done something wrong??
I think it goes between the bottom of the main gear and gear sleeve, you need to take out the original first, be to tall if you don't. You could just leave the original in the as long as it's not torn up.