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General Maintenance Tips => General Questions and Trouble Shooting => Topic started by: steelfish on November 20, 2020, 06:03:10 PM

Title: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: steelfish on November 20, 2020, 06:03:10 PM
I got this reel as donor to take some parts from it (thanks again secret ohana member), I took the parts I needed but being a Reelhead I cannot leave the 90% of the reel in the "reel junkyard", so I gonna try to make it work again and use it as loaner for a friend with a Panga charter.

but the spool had tons of white heavy corrosion in almost 70% of it, I leaved for few days on vinegar and took most of the corrosion but some parts the corrosion was really hard to take it out, it wasnt more a surface corrosion so, as long as I was taking it out there were deep marks and holes on the spool, so seeing how bad it was I took a wire brush and scratched it all over, that helped a lot but still the badly pitted zones had a lot of sharp egdes which were no good for any kind of fishing line, well, my last attemp the make this spool in usable condition was to take a dremel and use a wire brush tip and try to polishing it.

that make the spool to lose all the sharp valleys and corners on the pitted areas, finally took some sanding paper and sanded it a bit and now feels smoother but nothing compared to a new spool also, its almost 80% of the spool bare aluminium now.
still not feel confident to use the spool as is, I dont know if now take a polishing stone tip on the dremel and try to make it smoother or just use some "hard nail polish coat", yamaha grease on the bottom when spooling the reel and called it a day.

the back of the sides of the spools looks in good shape, the corrosion was bad but seems that it didnt get any near to the other side of the wall of the spool.

so, what do you think amigos, is this spool teasted or what would you still do to make it look better.
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 350h spool, ideas?
Post by: MarkT on November 20, 2020, 06:15:26 PM
Can you just seal it with some rod finish?
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 350h spool, ideas?
Post by: Rancanfish on November 20, 2020, 06:51:47 PM
Mix up a bunch of JB weld, rub it in good and sand it smooth again.
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 350h spool, ideas?
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 20, 2020, 06:58:25 PM
You wanted a polishing project...
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 350h spool, ideas?
Post by: steelfish on November 20, 2020, 07:00:58 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on November 20, 2020, 06:58:25 PM
You wanted a polishing project...

you know I wanted it.  ;D ;D



heck !! I might polish the entire reel too!! sideplates and frame are aluminium, right? :D :D
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 350h spool, ideas?
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 20, 2020, 07:14:40 PM
Quote from: steelfish on November 20, 2020, 07:00:58 PM

you know I wanted it.  ;D ;D



heck !! I might polish the entire reel too!! sideplates and frame are aluminium, right? :D :D
That would look amazing. Citristrip for paint and enamel, easy off for anodized.
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 350h spool, ideas?
Post by: steelfish on November 20, 2020, 07:34:57 PM
Quote from: Rancanfish on November 20, 2020, 06:51:47 PM
Mix up a bunch of JB weld, rub it in good and sand it smooth again.

that was my first option since I already did a similar job on a tib frame

https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=18124.30


but wanted to check if there is another option.
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 350h spool, ideas?
Post by: alantani on November 20, 2020, 09:41:25 PM
i would use the wire wheel side of a bench grinder.  quick and easy.  bottom line is that the anodizing is toast no matter what, so brushing away what's left of the anodizing would not be that much of an issue.  then scrub on a light coat of grease, wipe off all the excess, spool it up with mono and call it done.  re-anodizing the spool would probably cost more than a new spool.   :-\
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 350h spool, ideas?
Post by: Bryan Young on November 20, 2020, 10:03:26 PM
Hi Alex,

What is the part number on the spool?

Bryan
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: steelfish on November 21, 2020, 12:49:37 AM
well, after double checking some specs I think mine is a 400h reel not the 350h, the drag washers are the same size of the 450h and pretty similar is OD to a penn 113h, actually the drag washers of this reel are:

ID   13.02 mm
OD  27.92mm



B.Y.  I couldn found where to search for the part number but took some pics of the spool, you might know if according to the size if I have a 400h or 350h reel.



Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: thorhammer on November 21, 2020, 01:08:20 AM
Compadre- get all the white nastiness out. coat it as Alan says and fish it, or sand all as smooth as you can and paint with farm implement epoxy paint. If your wife will let you cure in oven at 85C so more the better. I had a nasty 9/0 Penn spool that I did thusly- maybe it wont do every use but as the 4th 9/0 in line it will step up. Actually looks good in gloss black.

Thorhammer 
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 350h spool, ideas?
Post by: steelfish on November 21, 2020, 01:29:06 AM
Quote from: alantani on November 20, 2020, 09:41:25 PM
i would use the wire wheel side of a bench grinder.  quick and easy. 

I dont have access to a wire wheel grinder  :-\ :-\

Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: Benni3 on November 21, 2020, 01:33:29 AM
You can sand it out and polish or I had someone to sand blast and powder coat mine,,,,, ;D
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 21, 2020, 03:12:03 AM
You could sand that off in 20 min with 320 grit. Then another maybe 25 to get it shiny. A spool would be easy just spin it and hold the sandpaper still.
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: Bryan Young on November 21, 2020, 03:18:08 AM
Alex, I have a NOS spool if you are interested. $20 shipped.
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: mike1010 on November 21, 2020, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: thorhammer on November 21, 2020, 01:08:20 AM
Compadre- get all the white nastiness out. coat it as Alan says and fish it, or sand all as smooth as you can and paint with farm implement epoxy paint. If your wife will let you cure in oven at 85C so more the better. I had a nasty 9/0 Penn spool that I did thusly- maybe it wont do every use but as the 4th 9/0 in line it will step up. Actually looks good in gloss black.

Thorhammer 

A couple of years ago, I picked up a cheap toaster oven on flea-bay new for about $11.  Very handy for baking reel parts, for whatever reason.

Mike
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: steelfish on November 21, 2020, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on November 21, 2020, 03:18:08 AM
Alex, I have a NOS spool if you are interested. $20 shipped.

thanks B.Y. that sounds pretty attractive, but I would like to see what can I do for the spool on a DIY method, if I end up doing a mess I will take your spool.



Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on November 21, 2020, 03:12:03 AM
You could sand that off in 20 min with 320 grit. Then another maybe 25 to get it shiny. A spool would be easy just spin it and hold the sandpaper still.

LOL, I never thought on put the spool on the drill and hold the sandpaper, that sounds 1000x faster than the way I did it before  ::)
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: day0ne on November 21, 2020, 07:54:09 PM
I have a similar problem with a spool from an original Tiagra 50 (not wide). Would love a new spool but haven't been able to find one. Wonder if the spool from a 50 A would work if I used all the parts that are different. BTW, the spools don't sand that easy.
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: boon on November 22, 2020, 12:19:08 AM
Quote from: day0ne on November 21, 2020, 07:54:09 PM
I have a similar problem with a spool from an original Tiagra 50 (not wide). Would love a new spool but haven't been able to find one. Wonder if the spool from a 50 A would work if I used all the parts that are different. BTW, the spools don't sand that easy.

Assuming I'm looking at the correct schematic, it seems very likely to me that a 50A spool will fit into an earlier 50. The main shaft (TT 0311) is the same on both reels, which makes me think that dimensionally they should be very similar. Only other thing that might catch you out is if the interior diameter of the frame was different?
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: thorhammer on November 22, 2020, 03:41:42 PM
Quote from: mike1010 on November 21, 2020, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: thorhammer on November 21, 2020, 01:08:20 AM
Compadre- get all the white nastiness out. coat it as Alan says and fish it, or sand all as smooth as you can and paint with farm implement epoxy paint. If your wife will let you cure in oven at 85C so more the better. I had a nasty 9/0 Penn spool that I did thusly- maybe it wont do every use but as the 4th 9/0 in line it will step up. Actually looks good in gloss black.

Thorhammer 

A couple of years ago, I picked up a cheap toaster oven on flea-bay new for about $11.  Very handy for baking reel parts, for whatever reason.



yep- that's exactly what I got.

Mike
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: Ron Jones on November 22, 2020, 08:49:46 PM
I was thinking of your issue,

If you have access to air brush or spray equipment, Cerakote would be great. Probably small enough to only need a sample size kit.
The Man
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: oc1 on November 23, 2020, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: Ron Jones on November 22, 2020, 08:49:46 PM
I was thinking of your issue,

If you have access to air brush or spray equipment, Cerakote would be great. Probably small enough to only need a sample size kit.
The Man

If anyone is going to order Cerakote, I'll pay for it if you buy some for me and forward it to Hawaii.  They will not ship to me directly and it's expensive stuff.
-steve
Title: Re: heavily corroded and pitted Aluminium Daiwa 400h spool, ideas?
Post by: Makule on May 21, 2021, 09:14:01 AM
What about using car polish ceramic coatings?

Quote from: oc1 on November 23, 2020, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: Ron Jones on November 22, 2020, 08:49:46 PM
I was thinking of your issue,

If you have access to air brush or spray equipment, Cerakote would be great. Probably small enough to only need a sample size kit.
The Man

If anyone is going to order Cerakote, I'll pay for it if you buy some for me and forward it to Hawaii.  They will not ship to me directly and it's expensive stuff.
-steve