In the interest to learn about knots it seems like an actual value must be made? Actually I'm going about this backwards, in that my knots were not what I expected in my preliminary testing....
I purchased a new leader spool of this shown Diawa 80# fluorocarbon recently and proceeded with knots.
The testing was done by me. No knots, just wrapped and taped on the tube/ u bolt thing for pulling......
The line was kept from over lapping as much as possible. Tape was helpful in binding. The pulling was with a come along type ratchet device. This allowed control, and examination.
After 7-10 repetitive tests, my results are that this line will break at 45-60# and never above 70#
Most tests were performed at about 50-60 degrees f....
Never once did the line break in the wrap area that was taped. Just wondering?
Kitty 🐱 said to mention the P Line tests broke between 75- 85#, Not fluorocarbon, just a big difference,
Just saying. Kitties know.?
Hehe,,,,my cat said the fluorocarbon line must be older stock 7 year life span knot 9 lives,,,,,, ;D
I got my truck stuck in the mud in the backyard and she tried to help too,,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: gstours on December 28, 2020, 01:04:00 AM
The line was kept from over lapping as much as possible. Tape was helpful in binding. The pulling was with a come along type ratchet device. This allowed control, and examination.
After 7-10 repetitive tests, my results are that this line will break at 45-60# and never above 70#
Most tests were performed at about 50-60 degrees f....
Never once did the line break in the wrap area that was taped. Just wondering?
Uh-Oh. Diawa strikes again. You're a walking dynamometer Gary.
I did something similar with 20# Blue Seaguar not long ago. Best I could tell, it broke in the middle at 24-25# pulling by hand with twenty wraps on dowels. Trying to watch the scale while slowly pulling by hand makes my hand shake a little so the needle on the scale jumps around a little. It might have been different with a steadier pull but I think it's in the ball park..
-steve
With fluorocarbon use the best knot and test it,,,,,,,,, ;D
Good stuff to know.
Just got 3 spools of J-Braid, any opinions/tests? I'd test it, but it's all ready spooled, top shotted and ready to go...
X4 or X8?
The X8 breaks way over what it says on the spool... unless you bought the European market stuff which is rated more accurately. If you have the rating AND diameter I can probably give you a reasonable idea of what it breaks at.
Yeah, J-Braid Grand X-8, made in Japan. PE-8(80lb.), 6(65lb.)& 5(50lb.). Thanks boon.
The 0.35mm (PE6?) is 79lb
The 0.42mm (PE8?) is 103lb
Not sure on the PE5 - do you have the diameter in mm? Should be in the small print.
I think the cats think you are using catgut. ;D Dominick
Ok. The J-Briad Grand x8, 80lb. PE#8, = 0.43mm; the 65lb. PE#6 = 0.41mm; the 50lb. PE#5 = 0.36mm. Yup, keep me honest, i.e., DETAILED.
Thanks for the info. Ordered these from "Departure Outdoors" in Wilsonville, OR, via ebay. Average $20/ spool and $7.47 total shipping. Good price?
Also, found an old spool of J-Braid, "x-4". It's PE#4, 40lb., 0.29mm. No "Grand" on the label either. How strong is this one?
After the testing of the dismal Diawa line another test was performed on the P line leader spool that was recently purchased. This seemed to be better and costs less. My knots tested did reflect the difference in the change butt still couldn't hold more than 75% of rated mono used.
I,m ok with my knots now as the drag is another variable. You don't know until you test. Gst
That's how you do it I got some old stock seagaur fx 18lb and broke like 4lb,,,,, >:( in 8lb I'm trying the p-line cx same dia. As sunline mono but better knot strength,,,,, ;D
Quote from: Benni3 on December 31, 2020, 12:53:52 AM
sunline mono
Is that the yellow stuff that floats? I tried some once but couldn't figure out how to put it to good use.
-s
Quote from: oc1 on December 31, 2020, 05:01:01 AM
Quote from: Benni3 on December 31, 2020, 12:53:52 AM
sunline mono
Is that the yellow stuff that floats? I tried some once but couldn't figure out how to put it to good use.
-s
sunline super natural mono,,,,,, ;) but think it's a nylon blend 8lb dia.009 same as 6lb in most,,,,,,,, ;D
I don't know about the Sunline Mono, but Sunline FC Sniper flourocarbon is good.
Quote from: oc1 on December 31, 2020, 05:01:01 AM
Quote from: Benni3 on December 31, 2020, 12:53:52 AM
sunline mono
Is that the yellow stuff that floats? I tried some once but couldn't figure out how to put it to good use.
-s
Hey Steve, a good use would be fishing with it. You're welcome for the tip. ;D ;D Dominick
if it's floating hi-vis mono, it's prob. float line: for long drifts -- not casting
I mean, you can cast, but small diameter/distance are NOT the point
it's supposed to sit on top & come off the surface better for mending/hookset
I'd expect less memory & slower water absorption, too
can't use regular mono that spirals and/or bows under the surface when water-logged,
between rod-tip & distant float
No it's a clear Japanese line,,,,,,, ;D
sorry, not your Sunline, Benni...
Steve needs a use for " yellow stuff that floats"
if his is a dedicated float line, should be this or much like it:
Quote from: Gfish on December 30, 2020, 06:12:31 AM
Also, found an old spool of J-Braid, "x-4". It's PE#4, 40lb., 0.29mm. No "Grand" on the label either. How strong is this one?
X4 is a fair bit more accurate. No idea why. 41lb is what that line is rated in the European market.
Quote from: philaroman on December 31, 2020, 08:17:48 PM" yellow stuff that floats"
if his is a dedicated float line, should be this or much like it:
I thought it was going to keep my line off the bottom and reduce snags. It was a bust and didn't behave anything like I imagined.
In order to float they had to reduce the nylon density. Reduced density means the line is fat compared to regular mono of the same strength. Big fat mono doesn't cast very well... especially compared to spectra.
I also tried using it as a short top shot. Jig to floro, floro to Sunline, and Sunline to spectra. The Sunline-to-floro knot did a lot of clicking and clacking trying to cast through the guides. The Sunline-to-spectra knot slowed it down even more.
-s