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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Newell Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Decker on June 16, 2021, 04:55:39 AM

Title: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Decker on June 16, 2021, 04:55:39 AM
I have a Newell 229 G that was working until I took it apart.   Got one of Randy's XN kits.  I disassembled everything except the bridge/jack/pinion/eccentric which stayed in place.  I found one of the "nubs" that hold the side plates to the inner rings badly corroded. I ordered a set of screws and nubs from eBay (a member here sells the sets.). Today I tried to assemble everything, admittedly from memory.  This is how I proceeded: 1) Inner rings to frame.  Used a combo of old and new screws.   It sure if I used the right ones but the rings are solidly attached to the frame.  2) Put the drag stack together with CF and Cal's and put it on the 980 (name escapes me.). 3) Mounted the bridge assembly to the head plate.  4) Put the spool in and  attached the head plate assembly to the frame.  4) There is a heavy brass washer/nut that fits on top of the drag stack that fits from outside.  Then the drag star, washer, handle, plastic washer, and Newell nut.

It didn't work.  Here is what I observe:

There is a spring like thing that goes somewhere on the 980 that I never found a place for. I suspect it needs to go inside the plate.

When the spool is in, it doesn't move freely.   Binds up against the inner rings - tolerance is quite close.
I'm not sure I put the star on correctly, but assume the side that protrudes more goes down toward the drag.

Randy's kit also came with one small washer that I understand is to be used to shim the spool.  Where does that go?

Definitely there is a substantial difference from assembling a Penn.  I like the way the bridge components hold together.  The variety of screws is a little baffling.  The way the frame and plates assemble make it really strong.  Those SS rings aren't just "beauty rings."

Any tips are much appreciated.

Cheers,
/Joe
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Swami805 on June 16, 2021, 05:27:22 AM
The spring? like a wavey washer? it goes between the star and handle.
1st thing to check is the bearing caps and get the spool centered,might need a shim or two on one side or another. Tighten the handle side cap all the way to start, usually that's how it should be. Should be a little play just like the spool in a penn.
I've done a few kits, sometimes they snap together like legos, sometimes it takes some shims and adjustments.
One other thing to check is the nub of the eccentric spring that sticks out on the back of the bridge. It should be close to flush, might need to file it a little.
I'm assuming everything works before you put the side plate on the frame.
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: PacRat on June 16, 2021, 06:18:05 AM
https://alantani.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29633.0;attach=77941;image
Here's the G series schematic.

-Mike
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Bryan Young on June 16, 2021, 06:38:26 AM
Hi Joe,

I would remove the side plates then loosen the inner rings. Push upwards from the bottom of the ring and then tighten. Then repeat with the other ring. Try to put pressure at the same point between both rings. This should help align the position of both inner rings.

Then reassemble and see if this helps with the binding.
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Decker on June 16, 2021, 12:15:01 PM
Thanks all, for the quick overnight advice and info!  It may take a while before I get back to it -- time is tight.

It just occurred to me...  West Coast support -- you guys are like a 24x7 global support team.
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Vintage Offshore Tackle on June 16, 2021, 02:19:20 PM
Joe, I provide the shim because there is a lot of variation in spool spacing from one Newell to the next.  It is not always necessary to use it.

If after following all of the directions provided above, you cannot center the spool or if it is making contact with anything, then place the shim inside the bearing cap under the bearing to move the spool one way or the other.  Before installing the shim, check to see if there are already shims installed which may need to be removed.

Good luck!

Randy
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: PacRat on June 16, 2021, 07:11:41 PM
I would like to add to Bryan's good advice. I call it 'racking the frame'. This is more important on the old three-piece frames but it will sometimes help with the Tiburon one-piece frames. 1) Install your inner rings snug but not completely tight. 2) Install your spool and side-plates. 3) Adjust your spool for center with minimal contact. (at this point the only contact should be your spool flanges on the inner rings.) 4) Give your spool a good spin. 5) While your spool is spinning, grasp both side plates and twist them in opposite directions like you're opening a jar. If counter-clock-wise doesn't work, try clock-wise. You're looking for the sweet-spot where your rings do not contact your spool. 6) If it spins cleanly with zero contact you are done and can tighten the screws on the inner ring to the frame. Note: If this does not work you have two options; either slightly enlarge the screw holes in the inner rings or remove some material from the inner edge of the rings (or a little of both). You can paint a little white-out or liquid paper on the edge of your ring and any contact will wear the white away. Also try swapping spools if you have another available. VERY IMPORTANT!!...it's always easier to remove a little more material than it is to put some back on...so go slow and keep tweaking until it is to your satisfaction.
-Mike
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Newell Nut on June 16, 2021, 11:44:43 PM
If you fail to get it to work just box it up and send it to me. Send me a PM first.

Dwight
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Decker on November 03, 2021, 03:41:55 PM
Well, I gave it a couple of tries, and decided to let Dwight show me how it's done.  Thank you, Dwight!   She's a beauty.  Close tolerance between the spool and frame.  Spins great.  I intend to put 15lb braid on it and use it for Jersey shore and bottom fishing,  Tog are in season, and I hope to get out on a jetty soon.

No clamp on this reel because of space limitations on the bottom of the frame.  I wonder how others are securing it.  Maybe I'll tape it.

Also, I wonder about filling in some of the back ends of the drilled holes in the frame, to avoid corrosion.  Thinking to use some kind of wax.

Thanks for all of the help and advice.  Wish me luck catching!



Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: thorhammer on November 03, 2021, 03:59:15 PM
Wow, nice reel!
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Newell Nut on November 03, 2021, 04:22:16 PM
Once you lock it in a reel seat it is not going anywhere. When I fished Hawaii I noticed they don't use rod clamps fishing for big ulua. Some of mine don't have rod clamps either. No worry. I do prefer to build my personal rods with Alps Aluminum seats with double locking nuts.

Dwight
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Decker on November 03, 2021, 05:11:21 PM
I started spooling Spiderwire Stealth 15lb (0.21mm) on the reel.  I had two 125yd spools, and that is not really quite enough to fill the spool.  Looks like it could take another 125 yards of the same.  250 yds is certainly enough to fish.  Probably I'll back the line off and put something under it, maybe dacron.  I'd rather not back it with mono because it holds water, and would rather not pay for more braid.  The dacron I have is a lot thicker, but if I lay it evenly, I think it should work well.  Or maybe I'll leave it as is, since I don't plan on any long casting. 
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: steelfish on November 03, 2021, 06:13:34 PM
Quote from: Decker on November 03, 2021, 05:11:21 PM
......maybe dacron.  I'd rather not back it with mono because it holds water, ..

isnt that backwards?    Dacron is the one that holds water and may cause the spool to corrode, maybe I have the wrong info.

Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Decker on November 03, 2021, 06:20:43 PM
Quote from: steelfish on November 03, 2021, 06:13:34 PM
Quote from: Decker on November 03, 2021, 05:11:21 PM
......maybe dacron.  I'd rather not back it with mono because it holds water, ..

isnt that backwards?    Dacron is the one that holds water and may cause the spool to corrode, maybe I have the wrong info.


Maybe I'm wrong.  I'm only as smart as what I read, and sometimes memory fails.
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Swami805 on November 03, 2021, 06:42:28 PM
I'd use Dacron for backing not a huge difference though. With the spool only filled up like that it will really affect your IPT since the diameter of the spool is so small
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: steelfish on November 03, 2021, 07:27:38 PM
btw, 15# braid on a 220 XN newell is pretty extreme thin line :o :o

no wonder why you couldnt fill the spool with 250 yds, I having hard time dealing with 20# braid on my small lowprofile reels and few 2500 size spinning reels.
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Decker on November 03, 2021, 07:50:22 PM
Quote from: steelfish on November 03, 2021, 07:27:38 PM
btw, 15# braid on a 220 XN newell is pretty extreme thin line :o :o

no wonder why you couldnt fill the spool with 250 yds, I having hard time dealing with 20# braid on my small lowprofile reels and few 2500 size spinning reels.

Hey, Alex,

It is pretty common around here now to use 15lb braid for shallower bottom fishing.  It is plenty strong for the available species, and the thinness allows lighter terminal tackle to get down and stay down by catching less current.  The people that use the tog (tautog) jigs use light braid and a heavier mono or fluoro top shot for abrasion against structure.  I think the closeness of the Tiburon spool to the frame will be good enough to keep it from eating line.  I'm definitely not very experienced with all of this, but it seems to make sense.

I've been using 20lb Fireline on my Squidder 146 for fluke (flounder) fishing from boats for a while and like it.

Cheers,
/Joe

 
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Swami805 on November 03, 2021, 11:36:40 PM
I've been using 20lb J-braid on a narrow 220 Newell without any problems fishing 350-400'. 15Lb braid should be fine
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: mo65 on November 04, 2021, 12:21:34 PM
That's a great looking reel Joe! 8)
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Decker on November 04, 2021, 04:14:58 PM
Quote from: mo65 on November 04, 2021, 12:21:34 PM
That's a great looking reel Joe! 8)

Yes!   it could be my "everything" reel.  Maybe I'll buy a 2nd spool for 30lb braid.
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: thorhammer on November 04, 2021, 06:54:56 PM
Quote from: Decker on November 04, 2021, 04:14:58 PM
Quote from: mo65 on November 04, 2021, 12:21:34 PM
That's a great looking reel Joe! 8)

Yes!   it could be my "everything" reel.  Maybe I'll buy a 2nd spool for 30lb braid.


Blasphemy. Another reel is in order.
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: steelfish on November 04, 2021, 07:22:27 PM
Quote from: Decker on November 04, 2021, 04:14:58 PM

Yes!   it could be my "everything" reel.  Maybe I'll buy a 2nd spool for 30lb braid.

is your wife reading the forum?

that sound like when I said, just one more rod and Im set! ...... that was 5 rods ago
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Decker on November 04, 2021, 08:15:42 PM
My wife has already seen the hoard, and another box arriving at the house comes as no great surprise.  But I seriously need to get out of rods & reels and into fishing.  ::)  She appreciates the harvest and does not like me coming home empty handed.   
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: steelfish on November 04, 2021, 11:14:07 PM
Quote from: Decker on November 04, 2021, 08:15:42 PM
..But I seriously need to get out of rods & reels and into fishing.  ::)  She appreciates the harvest and does not like me coming home empty handed.   

haha, joking aside, I do like fishing because of the adventure, fresh air and all, but we really enjoy a nice fresh fillet of fish at the table so, I always go fishing with the goal to catch few fish to bring home.
Title: Re: New to Newell - Tib XN kit - Need diagram
Post by: Porthos on November 06, 2021, 05:12:59 PM
Transfer the 15 lb to a another reel (a level wind works really good for this).

Get this:
https://www.amazon.com/KastKing-Superpower-Braided-Fishing-Line/dp/B01EFXBZXS/ref=sr_1_5?crid=14FJAUGXV53WT&keywords=kastking%2Bbraided%2Bline%2B20lb&qid=1636218148&qsid=145-8125919-8177917&sprefix=kastking%2Bbraid%2Caps%2C226&sr=8-5&sres=B01EFQZ63K%2CB07S23NC2X%2CB07RZL5HFY%2CB08RYNTT23%2CB08YZ2WRFK%2CB07MSM21Y9%2CB077P95KX8%2CB07FWDN4JS%2CB088B9159P%2CB017MALDN8%2CB07Q3PLTHY%2CB08Y6CSK8D%2CB08Y6M3P5L%2CB08Y6CKTHY%2CB0791DXVC8%2CB00MQGJJM6%2CB017AR862Y%2CB08Y6DZQG9%2CB07VPDZ27W%2CB07Y51FFWV&srpt=FISHING_LINE&th=1&psc=1

I've used KastKing white braid up to 100 lbs.

The 20 lb KastKing will be backing. Bimini loops and cat's paw to connect. If you were really anal about it, do a 20 or 30 lb hollow core connector...

Also, IMHO, clamping the reel is overkill for a 15 lb setup...and I've never seen a 15 lb deckhand rod.