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Title: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: johndtuttle on September 08, 2021, 04:18:24 PM
Heya Boyos,

Need a machinist to whip one of these out:

(https://alantani.com/gallery/35/thumb_9308_08_09_21_4_09_19.jpeg) (https://alantani.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35511)

OD is 25mm and it just needs to be a tube with no fancy machining inside. I can send you this one as a model.

This is needed for a planned Daiwa BG MQ tutorial and Daiwa won't sell them....to the likes of me.  :P

Or maybe Handi2 (or other certified Daiwa Tech) can buy one from them for me and route it my way?


Best regards, John

Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: foakes on September 08, 2021, 04:35:59 PM
Do you have a Daiwa part number, John?

Best, Fred
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: Cortez_Conversions on September 08, 2021, 05:12:45 PM
Let me know if you need me John. If this is a tool necessary for servicing and can't be purchased, let's get it done.
Tom
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on September 08, 2021, 05:19:04 PM

   Might need to know how thick  the wall is . All measurements will help..
  Might start off with a 6 or 12 point socket about 11/16- 3/4 and cut the 3  windows  out .
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnmASmwMWAM
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on September 08, 2021, 06:07:43 PM
  A 3/4 copper pipe coupling is also a good candidate and easy file able ..   
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: johndtuttle on September 08, 2021, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: foakes on September 08, 2021, 04:35:59 PM
Do you have a Daiwa part number, John?

Best, Fred

There is no Daiwa part number afaik...it's a tool they only sell to their certified techs and can't be found elsewhere... The one pictured I bought off ebay $50 but the internal stuff blocks bigger reels ie 14k and above. The id of the tube is 1.5mm...thinner than that is better than thicker.
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on September 08, 2021, 08:45:46 PM
  Will this work for you , or want to try /modified it.       PM your mailing info.
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on September 08, 2021, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: johndtuttle on September 08, 2021, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: foakes on September 08, 2021, 04:35:59 PM
Do you have a Daiwa part number, John?

Best, Fred

There is no Daiwa part number afaik...it's a tool they only sell to their certified techs and can't be found elsewhere... The one pictured I bought off ebay $50 but the internal stuff blocks bigger reels ie 14k and above. The id of the tube is 1.5mm...thinner than that is better than thicker.
Can you take more pictures of your tool , seems like the inner parts may come out on your`s  and then you should be able to go deeper!
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: johndtuttle on September 09, 2021, 03:47:48 AM
Quote from: oldmanjoe on September 08, 2021, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: johndtuttle on September 08, 2021, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: foakes on September 08, 2021, 04:35:59 PM
Do you have a Daiwa part number, John?

Best, Fred

There is no Daiwa part number afaik...it's a tool they only sell to their certified techs and can't be found elsewhere... The one pictured I bought off ebay $50 but the internal stuff blocks bigger reels ie 14k and above. The id of the tube is 1.5mm...thinner than that is better than thicker.
Can you take more pictures of your tool , seems like the inner parts may come out on your`s  and then you should be able to go deeper!

No, its machined out of a solid billet near as I can tell.
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: johndtuttle on September 09, 2021, 03:49:21 AM
Quote from: oldmanjoe on September 08, 2021, 08:45:46 PM
  Will this work for you , or want to try /modified it.       PM your mailing info.

OMG that looks awesome, Joe.

PM with my address sent.
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: ReelClean on September 09, 2021, 07:25:55 AM
Thanks for the dimensions Joe,  I think there are about four different sizes required for the range.  I have a tool for the up to 4000 size.
I have got hold of some 6060 (I think) Ally tubes that fit inside each other (used for bimini tops, tent poles etc I believe) and I think they will fit with maybe a thou off OD and ID in a lathe, then the slots machined.
Once the sizes are established I might talk to a local machinist because they would be better in stainless or similar, I will have to see how the alloy goes because I am certain that they have a pet silverback gorilla in the factory that torques these down!
cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on September 09, 2021, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: ReelClean on September 09, 2021, 07:25:55 AM
Thanks for the dimensions Joe,  I think there are about four different sizes required for the range.  I have a tool for the up to 4000 size.
I have got hold of some 6060 (I think) Ally tubes that fit inside each other (used for bimini tops, tent poles etc I believe) and I think they will fit with maybe a thou off OD and ID in a lathe, then the slots machined.
Once the sizes are established I might talk to a local machinist because they would be better in stainless or similar, I will have to see how the alloy goes because I am certain that they have a pet silverback gorilla in the factory that torques these down!
cheers
Steve
The dimension that i posted have not been proven to fit yet , but copper is very easy to work with , it can be expanded or shrunk down .
            " I think there are about four different sizes required for the range. "      Any body out there want to post possible measurements ,
       I might have a idea to make a one size fits all if they are some what close .

           ::)   Maybe just make 3 legs and worm  clamp them to a existing tubing  .
           
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on September 09, 2021, 02:40:30 PM
Stuff like this reminds me why I like older reels. The kind you can open with a screwdriver. And I'm a big daiwa fan too.

Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: ReelClean on September 09, 2021, 10:51:38 PM
I was able to do a quick measure in the shop a while back so that I could source the tube, results will give you some idea:
Certate LT5000  ID 17mm, OD 20mm,  13mm between slots
Saltigas:
8000/10000/14000  ID 22mm, OD 25mmm sloth width 1.38mm (ish)
18000/20000  ID 25mm, OD 28mm

I got four pieces of internally slip fit tube to start the project off evilbay.
The tool that I bought some time ago fits 4000 size and below.  OD 16.5mm, ID 15.3mm, slot depth 2.5mm  

Sorry, that's all I have atm, the plan was/is to take reels and the tube to the machine shop to fine tune as they will likely need a skim off the ID or OD for a good fit.  The few of these engine plates I have removed have been bluddy tight so a perfect fit would be best to avoid munging up the plate.
cheers
Steve                      
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: Cuttyhunker on September 10, 2021, 11:03:32 AM
I've run into the "Factory Tool" scam running Volvos years ago.  Injector puller was $1000 back then from the factory, a little creative welding, some threaded rod and tap work we had one for less than $100.  Keep the juices flowing OldmanJoe
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on September 10, 2021, 02:05:29 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D    The hair maybe thin on top , but i refuse to let it be a hat rack.......... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: johndtuttle on September 11, 2021, 05:55:55 PM
More images:

This one is for a smaller model that even though the OD dimensions are the same, the inner is not deep enough to seat the tool.

It needs to be reamed out by some guy with the right tools (lathe).

Any takers?

Its just a paperweight right now.
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: johndtuttle on September 11, 2021, 05:58:52 PM
Sold billet.
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: johndtuttle on September 11, 2021, 06:36:56 PM
It needs like 5mm more depth.
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on September 11, 2021, 11:53:51 PM
  I sent the copper one out in yesterday mail , you should see it in 3-4 days .    Try that one and see if that works .  You will have my address on the envelope if you need to , send it to me and i will cut what ever you need .
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: Cuttyhunker on September 13, 2021, 12:01:55 PM
johnd
Drillpress and reamer for the 1/4" deeper, or maybe just a big bit and a vise
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: johndtuttle on September 14, 2021, 03:25:03 AM
Quote from: oldmanjoe on September 11, 2021, 11:53:51 PM
 I sent the copper one out in yesterday mail , you should see it in 3-4 days .    Try that one and see if that works .  You will have my address on the envelope if you need to , send it to me and i will cut what ever you need .

Worked like a charm, Joe. The OD was a little small but the thin walls of the coupling made the ID not an issue.

Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: johndtuttle on September 14, 2021, 03:28:27 AM
BG MQ:
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on September 14, 2021, 06:09:29 AM
 :)   Glad it worked .   If you want to send the billet piece , i will cut it ..
   Do you need the bigger size also the 28mm od x 25 mm id ?
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: Wompus Cat on September 14, 2021, 11:40:25 AM
Good Job Oldmanjoe .
Next they will weld the Damn things in to keep us from servicing our own Reels and or not make ANY replacement parts at all . Which is getting more prevalent these days as you can't buy a  Drag Star for any of the old Saltists anymore .
SHEESH!!!!
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: johndtuttle on September 14, 2021, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: oldmanjoe on September 14, 2021, 06:09:29 AM
:)   Glad it worked .   If you want to send the billet piece , i will cut it ..
   Do you need the bigger size also the 28mm od x 25 mm id ?

I'll send the billet to you if you don't mind. Reduce inner tolerance by 5 mm.

It has an extra heavy powder coating on it that may protect the reel longer.

I'll wait on the larger until I have a reel that needs it. That way if need be we have something to measure/fit against.

THANK YOU JOE.  ;D

ps please PM address, tyvm.
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: phishxxii on January 03, 2022, 08:24:33 PM
I`m thinking of fabricating one of these tools out of a hole saw .what size should I use for the smaller sized monocoque bodies ?
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: Donnyboat on January 03, 2022, 10:18:26 PM
Handy man Joe, you sure you have`nt been making them for years, cheers Don.
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on January 04, 2022, 12:31:46 AM
Quote from: phishxxii on January 03, 2022, 08:24:33 PM
I`m thinking of fabricating one of these tools out of a hole saw .what size should I use for the smaller sized monocoque bodies ?
I don`t know ,  you have to measure across the nut .    I get that you want to use a hole saw and it make perfect sense, but it is tool steel and hard to file .  Post your measurements , and i will try to help you ..
    There was some measurement posted above if that helps  from Realclean ..

       20 mm od by 17mm id    I would look at 3/4 hole saw or one under size of 3/4 ..
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: Cadman on January 07, 2022, 03:36:28 AM
If someone has actual machined dimensions, I would be willing to draw up the models, and post the dimensions here for guys to use, so they can make their own tools to work on their reels. I would also want to make sure that the tools fit so I could 3d print a tool(s) with a 1/4 or 3/8 square drive on the top for a ratchet. Once 3d printed, someone would have to try it in their reel to make sure it is a close tolerance fit. The 3d tool would be plastic, so it would not scratch the nut or the reel.  Is anyone interested in doing this with me?
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on January 07, 2022, 05:38:20 AM
Quote from: Cadman on January 07, 2022, 03:36:28 AM
If someone has actual machined dimensions, I would be willing to draw up the models, and post the dimensions here for guys to use, so they can make their own tools to work on their reels. I would also want to make sure that the tools fit so I could 3d print a tool(s) with a 1/4 or 3/8 square drive on the top for a ratchet. Once 3d printed, someone would have to try it in their reel to make sure it is a close tolerance fit. The 3d tool would be plastic, so it would not scratch the nut or the reel.  Is anyone interested in doing this with me?
Quote from: ReelClean on September 09, 2021, 10:51:38 PM
I was able to do a quick measure in the shop a while back so that I could source the tube, results will give you some idea:
Certate LT5000  ID 17mm, OD 20mm,  13mm between slots
Saltigas:
8000/10000/14000  ID 22mm, OD 25mmm sloth width 1.38mm (ish)
18000/20000  ID 25mm, OD 28mm

I got four pieces of internally slip fit tube to start the project off evilbay.
The tool that I bought some time ago fits 4000 size and below.  OD 16.5mm, ID 15.3mm, slot depth 2.5mm 

Sorry, that's all I have atm, the plan was/is to take reels and the tube to the machine shop to fine tune as they will likely need a skim off the ID or OD for a good fit.  The few of these engine plates I have removed have been bluddy tight so a perfect fit would be best to avoid munging up the plate.
cheers
Steve                     
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: ReelClean on January 12, 2022, 11:31:35 PM
Quote from: Cadman on January 07, 2022, 03:36:28 AM
If someone has actual machined dimensions, I would be willing to draw up the models, and post the dimensions here for guys to use, so they can make their own tools to work on their reels. I would also want to make sure that the tools fit so I could 3d print a tool(s) with a 1/4 or 3/8 square drive on the top for a ratchet. Once 3d printed, someone would have to try it in their reel to make sure it is a close tolerance fit. The 3d tool would be plastic, so it would not scratch the nut or the reel.  Is anyone interested in doing this with me?

Judging by the couple of MQ reels that I have done, I am not 100% confident that 3D plastic printed would hack the mission.  These plates can be torqued on stupid tight on the Saltigas, and I have doubts that a 1/4" drive in plastic would hold, maybe a hole through for a screwdriver shaft?  I have a theory that the factory gorillas set the final end float by just torquing it up a few extra in-lbs!   ;D
cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: phishxxii on January 29, 2022, 05:48:45 PM
I`m thinking of trying a 3 prong twist lock plug on my kage 2500
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on January 30, 2022, 02:21:36 AM
Quote from: phishxxii on January 29, 2022, 05:48:45 PM
I`m thinking of trying a 3 prong twist lock plug on my kage 2500
Interesting to hear  if it worked !!
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: ReelClean on January 31, 2022, 03:04:40 AM
Another idea I had was to look at a 3 pin watch back remover, would adjust nicely but I am not sure the pins would be long enough.
cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on January 31, 2022, 04:20:04 AM
Quote from: ReelClean on January 31, 2022, 03:04:40 AM
Another idea I had was to look at a 3 pin watch back remover, would adjust nicely but I am not sure the pins would be long enough.
cheers
Steve
https://www.amazon.com/Watch-Repair-Adjustable-Replacement-Stainless/dp/B01LZXNF4E/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=watch+back+removal+tool&qid=1643600867&sr=8-11
             I like the idea , something like this .      The only thing is to get the pin to come in at 120 degrees from each other .
         You can make longer pins to thread into the tool and there may be enough  offset with narrow pins to engage the nut ?   ???
 
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: ReelClean on June 01, 2022, 10:47:14 AM
Finally got around to getting some brass turned. Cost a bit, but it is pretty much an interference fit. Lucky I live in the tropics because if the the temp drops I may have to apply heat to get the tool back!
I miss my lathe  :'(
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: oldmanjoe on June 01, 2022, 02:10:13 PM
Looks good ......... :d
Title: Re: Machinist needed (or maybe Handi2)
Post by: ReelClean on June 02, 2022, 10:05:54 AM
Quote from: ReelClean on June 01, 2022, 10:47:14 AMFinally got around to getting some brass turned. Cost a bit, but it is pretty much an interference fit. Lucky I live in the tropics because if the the temp drops I may have to apply heat to get the tool back!
I miss my lathe  :'(


....and I just had another (belated) brainwave.
If you get one made start with 28mm OD stock; do one end 25/28mm and turn the other end down to 22/25.  Punch a hole through the middle for a screwdriver handle then you have the two largest sizes covered with one tool.
Always a day late and a dollar short....  :-\